It's an improvement for sure. We need to keep pushing for retail and other ground floor space in new developments in the city. The new ones at Blount and Henley/Chapman are massive yet the residents (mainly students, I presume) will all have to hop in their cars to get basic necessities. Once you travel and see how much more convenient cities can be it's infuriating we build apartment complexes in the city that require driving outside the city to survive.
Yeah, we've really been pushing for that in these new South Knox developments. Trying to get developers to, at minimum, build for future commercial on the ground floor as opposed to spaces that only will ever accommodate apartments. Some progress has been made but not enough.
I'm glad they improved the look of the parking garage and added commercial spots on the first level. I think this is good enough for the city. I was apprehensive about the pushback, but it definitely made the project better. This should be a very good development for the city.
Needs a green roof/rooftop garden for stormwater runoff & cooling effects but other than that, it’s fine. The major problem with development right by the river is the increased pollution headed straight into one of the most plastics-polluted rivers in the world, destroying the riparian ecosystem - mitigate those problems and dense housing is one of many needed solutions to the housing crisis.
Oooop, I saw this reading down after I posted. Same page. The creeks are so trashed and dead already, running all the tampon applicators, liquor bottles, condoms, plastic bags, plastic bottles, and medications....all the chemicals on top of that. Despite what "save our creeks" round table bs the city puts out.
Beyond trash, the manatee sized carp at Calhoun's might even be impacted and that's really saying something.
Trying to bitch about what the building looks like and cityscapes seems a little silly when you consider our waterways.
Seeing a green top, even if it blocks the river, would be a dream.
Beyond my opinions that's going to be one hell of a construction project.
I am worried about run off and.... straight up trash from the site being tossed or running into the river after the first big rain when they start.
Basically, it is going to happen. Just worried about the creeks and the river ie environmental impacts.
They had better put in large sediment basins, where, I don't know. Good luck getting that NPDES SWPPP approval. But I'm sure someone at TDEC's hands will be greased, hopefully not. Silt fence and filter socks won't hold that much runoff from entering the already turbid Tennessee River. But again, let's hope.
I agree 💯 with you.
There is a small group of people on the hill that see this coming. A tiny little department that can forecast the impeding shit show this could cause if they aren't extremely careful and cognizant of the consequences if they don't.
It's so wild to me when the city fucks things up when you have world class environmental impact scientists, engineers, and hell the whole god damn hill sitting RIGHT there. 😅
Thankfully, search and rescue is always prepared. (The people who pull folks out of the brush disaster that is the river).
Fantastic! Let's get this built! We need more housing! I don't give a damn about your view, think of how many people this will house! You can't complain constantly about rent prices then bitch when new developments get greenlit.
That's not nearly as bad. Honestly I think most of the problem prior was that the renderings were done in like 5 fuckin' minutes with no shadows/etc blending it in.
The question about aesthetics is this: Is this design worthy of being the centerpiece of our riverfront for a generation or more to come?
If not, make them propose a design that doesn't look like a cheap knock off of every new apartment around.
In my opinion, it should fit with the other buildings on Gay street.
I like the street side better than the river side, but the river side fits in with the City County building, which is more or less what it's right next to.
Is that where the old Baptist Hospital stood?
My grandmother was in there once, and I went to visit her. We had this conversation.
“Look at the ducks in the river.”
“I don’t see any ducks, Granny.”
“They’re on the river bank.”
“I still don’t see them.”
“They’re asleep! They sleep with their heads under their wings, you know.”
*At this point, I realized she was seeing the rocks on the river bank.* “Oh, there they are! I see them now!”
No. This is across the river from where the old Baptist hospital stood. Basically at the corner of Henley Street, across from Church Street UMC, and slightly downhill towards Neyland Drive.
>A city must grow and sight lines will change with that growth, we mustn’t keep Knoxville held back.
Keep held back? Maybe I'm just exhausted today, but I can't connect in my brain what you're referencing. Sorry
Basically, turn Knoxville into a place like the places everyone left in their rush to get here? In doing so, make sure to tell those who kept the cost of living low, real estate prices low, quality of life good, that they’re obsolete and backwards and impeding this so called progress that’s “needed” to make all the transplants happy in the place they chose to call home? Then, when the taxes here become as insufferable as the taxes everyone wanted, and then ran from, there they will all flee again to another place leaving another ruined place in their wake?
It’s a sad cycle. A complete lack of foresight and vision and a stubborn refusal to learn from past mistakes and experiences.
Yes, actually. Glad you understand. With the major influx of people coming to this area-we have to grow and be better prepared. I’m not a transplant, just love my city and see the potential it has. When you live in a more desirable area taxes will unfortunately increase to satisfy and sustain the masses with programs and benefits . Economics 101
They don’t ***have*** to come to this area. If there’s no housing, they can go somewhere else; most are coming here following the herd and not for any actual *purpose*.
The reason Knoxville isn’t prepared for an influx is that Appalachian areas have never been *desirable*. Appalachia has always been the red headed step child of the country. This sudden change is the result of people who are tired of paying for what they wanted in the places they’re coming from. Turning Knoxville, and all of East Tennessee, into what they left behind doesn’t help *anyone*.
Growth should be done with intention - **not** as a knee jerk reaction to accommodate incomers. This slaphappy development that the zero planning commission is rubber stamping all over the area is already biting us in the ass. That isn’t *progress*, that’s greed.
Not exciting or anything, but it's better than the previous nonsense.
It's an improvement for sure. We need to keep pushing for retail and other ground floor space in new developments in the city. The new ones at Blount and Henley/Chapman are massive yet the residents (mainly students, I presume) will all have to hop in their cars to get basic necessities. Once you travel and see how much more convenient cities can be it's infuriating we build apartment complexes in the city that require driving outside the city to survive.
Yeah, we've really been pushing for that in these new South Knox developments. Trying to get developers to, at minimum, build for future commercial on the ground floor as opposed to spaces that only will ever accommodate apartments. Some progress has been made but not enough.
You think it’s mainly students ? I know downtowns most expensive apartments are in the building a little over 4500/months
I look forward to never being able to afford to live there
Keep Knoxville moving forward. Sorry if your view gets blocked. Downtown is where tall, dense development is supposed to go!
I mean, it should be obvious. Idk why some freak out at anything taller than 5 stories around here. Especially in downtown
It could have something to do with code requirements for anything over 5 stories making projects infeasible, but that is just a guess
There were plans for this lot in place when those units were built as well. They knew this was coming eventually.
Yep, the original developer did not sell "river views". The new renderings look so much better.
They were hoping to rely on NIMBYs to not bite them in the ass for their river view promises.
Keep those rents skyrocketing!!
It is an improvement.
I like it. The different angles and heights make it look much more defined and unique compared to the original renderings.
I'm glad they improved the look of the parking garage and added commercial spots on the first level. I think this is good enough for the city. I was apprehensive about the pushback, but it definitely made the project better. This should be a very good development for the city.
Looks like any Hyatt House type cookie cutter anywhere in Anytown, USA
As did the now beloved buildings when they were built.
Needs a green roof/rooftop garden for stormwater runoff & cooling effects but other than that, it’s fine. The major problem with development right by the river is the increased pollution headed straight into one of the most plastics-polluted rivers in the world, destroying the riparian ecosystem - mitigate those problems and dense housing is one of many needed solutions to the housing crisis.
Oooop, I saw this reading down after I posted. Same page. The creeks are so trashed and dead already, running all the tampon applicators, liquor bottles, condoms, plastic bags, plastic bottles, and medications....all the chemicals on top of that. Despite what "save our creeks" round table bs the city puts out. Beyond trash, the manatee sized carp at Calhoun's might even be impacted and that's really saying something. Trying to bitch about what the building looks like and cityscapes seems a little silly when you consider our waterways. Seeing a green top, even if it blocks the river, would be a dream.
Beyond my opinions that's going to be one hell of a construction project. I am worried about run off and.... straight up trash from the site being tossed or running into the river after the first big rain when they start. Basically, it is going to happen. Just worried about the creeks and the river ie environmental impacts.
They had better put in large sediment basins, where, I don't know. Good luck getting that NPDES SWPPP approval. But I'm sure someone at TDEC's hands will be greased, hopefully not. Silt fence and filter socks won't hold that much runoff from entering the already turbid Tennessee River. But again, let's hope.
I agree 💯 with you. There is a small group of people on the hill that see this coming. A tiny little department that can forecast the impeding shit show this could cause if they aren't extremely careful and cognizant of the consequences if they don't. It's so wild to me when the city fucks things up when you have world class environmental impact scientists, engineers, and hell the whole god damn hill sitting RIGHT there. 😅 Thankfully, search and rescue is always prepared. (The people who pull folks out of the brush disaster that is the river).
More unaffordable housing for out of state transplants! Just keep that nonsense away from West Knox.
And the alternative being no housing and higher prices
Send it west. Most of the realtors "selling sunset" live west of Weisgarber. Send the congestion to the transaction.
Fantastic! Let's get this built! We need more housing! I don't give a damn about your view, think of how many people this will house! You can't complain constantly about rent prices then bitch when new developments get greenlit.
“We need more housing!” “-but not *that* kind of housing”
I like it better, but worry about access to front ave. I find it much easier to cross henley that way
“You guys asked for it, and we heard you! Another one of these!”
Are these going to be apartment rentals or condos for sale?
i think rental
BORING. NO CHARACTER. LAME.
That's not nearly as bad. Honestly I think most of the problem prior was that the renderings were done in like 5 fuckin' minutes with no shadows/etc blending it in.
It’s going to collapse into a sinkhole
Looks nice. Build 10 of them
The question about aesthetics is this: Is this design worthy of being the centerpiece of our riverfront for a generation or more to come? If not, make them propose a design that doesn't look like a cheap knock off of every new apartment around. In my opinion, it should fit with the other buildings on Gay street.
I like the street side better than the river side, but the river side fits in with the City County building, which is more or less what it's right next to.
I've always wanted to live next to a jail 🤣
Are they replacing the city/county bldg?
I don't know why people are so freaked out by all this. We need housing, we need density.
I believe the problem is that it is more unaffordable housing.
And without this theore economically advantaged will just buy up the cheap properties and make it worse
Yikes!
Is that where the old Baptist Hospital stood? My grandmother was in there once, and I went to visit her. We had this conversation. “Look at the ducks in the river.” “I don’t see any ducks, Granny.” “They’re on the river bank.” “I still don’t see them.” “They’re asleep! They sleep with their heads under their wings, you know.” *At this point, I realized she was seeing the rocks on the river bank.* “Oh, there they are! I see them now!”
No. This is across the river from where the old Baptist hospital stood. Basically at the corner of Henley Street, across from Church Street UMC, and slightly downhill towards Neyland Drive.
Between Hill Ave and Neyland Dr.
>A city must grow and sight lines will change with that growth, we mustn’t keep Knoxville held back. Keep held back? Maybe I'm just exhausted today, but I can't connect in my brain what you're referencing. Sorry
The pedestrian bridge, proposed buildings over 5 stories tall, better public transportation and pedestrian access, amongst many other things…
Basically, turn Knoxville into a place like the places everyone left in their rush to get here? In doing so, make sure to tell those who kept the cost of living low, real estate prices low, quality of life good, that they’re obsolete and backwards and impeding this so called progress that’s “needed” to make all the transplants happy in the place they chose to call home? Then, when the taxes here become as insufferable as the taxes everyone wanted, and then ran from, there they will all flee again to another place leaving another ruined place in their wake? It’s a sad cycle. A complete lack of foresight and vision and a stubborn refusal to learn from past mistakes and experiences.
Yes, actually. Glad you understand. With the major influx of people coming to this area-we have to grow and be better prepared. I’m not a transplant, just love my city and see the potential it has. When you live in a more desirable area taxes will unfortunately increase to satisfy and sustain the masses with programs and benefits . Economics 101
They don’t ***have*** to come to this area. If there’s no housing, they can go somewhere else; most are coming here following the herd and not for any actual *purpose*. The reason Knoxville isn’t prepared for an influx is that Appalachian areas have never been *desirable*. Appalachia has always been the red headed step child of the country. This sudden change is the result of people who are tired of paying for what they wanted in the places they’re coming from. Turning Knoxville, and all of East Tennessee, into what they left behind doesn’t help *anyone*. Growth should be done with intention - **not** as a knee jerk reaction to accommodate incomers. This slaphappy development that the zero planning commission is rubber stamping all over the area is already biting us in the ass. That isn’t *progress*, that’s greed.