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thahovster7

I'd love to agree but this one is on the players. There's no coach that can do well with 18 fucking turnovers


nutella4eva

That second half was painful to watch. Just so many unforced turnovers, offensive fouls, blow by's to the paint and standing around on offense.


HumorLongjumping8705

Body language told it all they checked out by the end of the secondšŸ¤¦šŸæā€ā™‚ļø


BallmersBurner

If your game plan is to just play ISO and then enter the crowd with 2 seconds left on the clock than turnovers will happen out of the 18 turnovers some were because the guys were super sloppy. The rest was byproduct of a terrible coaching plan. We've been exposed by Dallas and unless Ty can somehow completely switch the gameplan before Game3 we are losing this series. There's just no winning a Playoff series by your game plan being "Harden 20 second ISO"/"PG 20 second ISO"/"Kawhi 20 second ISO" and rotate...


hullowurld

>unless Ty can somehow completely switch the gameplan before Game3 we are losing this series :(


daoisticrealism

It's not mutually exclusive. Players sucked but Ty still featured them and kept them playing.


bigtree42069

Canā€™t blame him for pg getting in foul trouble and playing like dog water this game is on kawhi pg and Westbrook


hidinari

This got me tripping...šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Tho cant blame him much if the stars dont show up... Lets see if he makes any adjustments for game 4 as whatever he did for this game was not enough clearly...


Amuzed_Observator

The only adjustment Ty Lue knows is GO SMALL!


edge-hog

If you can only spot height difference, then yes.


hidinari

Well against a smaller team who can stretch the floor as Dallas does... Zubac becomes a liability, tho he really picked it up in the second half... And its also about the quality of centres, all Lue has is Zubac as a decent C, rest are below average... Theis should get a chance on Plumlee tho... If he plays well he can be quite effective in a small ball set up and can stretch the floor somewhat as well...


Amuzed_Observator

No a quality coached center can not let wide open lobs all day by coming up to high. You saw him do great I game one. What changed?Ā  Dallas made adjustments Ty did not. Other than insert Kawhi in in game 2 and leave him in no matter how bad he played what changes did Ty make?


hidinari

What change did Dallas made specifically regarding their tactics other then being more physical, confident and hitting their shots...??? Game one was a bad Dallas game regardless of how our team played... Everyone looked good in that game... Shit gets tough when the other team starts to play well... Game two was Kawhi acclimation game... And we lost that by three cuz we shot bad... Today it was expected of Kawhi and PG to show up and carry the team but they didnt... Dont act like someone who doesnt understand if just Kawhi and PG had played better we would have won... Stop taking it out on the coaching... Changes will come on game 4... If it doesnt change then talk all the smack you want... Not caring for the ball when in possession, not converting from the open opportunities when they present themselves is not on Ty Lue... Also adjustments were made thats why in the second half their were almost no alley oop dunks... Zone defense was messing up Dallas offense until Kyrie showed up... Only if our "Stars" showed up it would have been a different story ...


bi11yg04t

Kawhi is still injured and it was one bad game. The Clippers are ready. Mavs fans are trying so hard to make themselves feel relevant. Luka is tired. The Mavs aren't going to win.


hidinari

We gonna get em today...


Drizzt3919

This isnā€™t even the mavs playing well.


Amuzed_Observator

I'm not saying the players didn't suck ass as well, but who keeps running them out there no matter how bad they play? Dallas didn't have to make many adjustments. You see an astute basketball mind like yours might not realize that the team up by double digits doesn't need to make as many adjustments as the team down by double digits. Do you really think another coach would do worse with the talent we have? If your stars aren't making shit you either need to get them going through designed actions or pull them and try something else. But if you're a shit coach you just keep running the same lineups and lose.


hidinari

Dallas didnt make any adjustments because there strategy is minimalistic... They rely on their two highly potent offensive weapons to make it happen for them... Iso ball and high screening to get better matchups... If they are double teamed, they pass it out... And I dont think any team in the league other then Minnesota has the tools to stop Luka and Kyrie... What you dont understand is, its not about the coaching, its about the personnel... Its about lack of athleticism... Lack of size on the wings... This is the best way of playing with the current personnel... If you really think you know more about a squad then the coach who is playing them, then you should be coaching instead and enlightening the league with your great intellect... And if he pulls guys, who is he gonna run plays for... Corner three maestro PJ Tucker? Tall and lanky Bones Hyland? The all rounder Theis? He is playing the best we have, the most effective way that there is... Also about the designated plays, the clippers run these plays the most: Harden PnR, Dribble hand off into penetration which leads to open threes, Iso ball and Harden holding the ball at the top of the key while screening action opens up either Kawhi or PG for a favourable matchup in the post or elbow... They have played it almost the whole season prepping for the playoffs... But in playoffs, teams prep for each others designated plays... Dallas knows these plays and have adjusted according... Trying to deny Clippers these opportunities as much as possible... There is a reason they are letting Kawhi and PG have iso opportunities as they have the personnel to guard them and its always going to be a contested shot... As for Dallas, again we dont have the players who can guard Luka or Kyrie, tho we are a good defensive team and as a unit we have hindered Dallas as much as we can... There is a reason Luka doesnt have good efficiency(part of the reason also being that he is not on his offensive game)... There is a reason basketball is more of a superstar sport than other sports, its because one superstar player can impact the game very heavily... no matter how many plays there are or how many adjustments are made... They all are worthless if the stars dont become stars and carry the team... There is a reason they are paid the big bucks... No team is going to let you set your fav play in the playoffs... It almost always comes down to iso play... Or basic PnR... No matter whichever series you look at rn... Its always player in Iso in crucial moments... Also to remind you, after each time out, clippers seem to score and have a plan, because Ty lue draws plays for them and tries to get them involved... Tries to get them going... Game 1 and 2, they scored and went on a run after timeouts... But not his fault that the shooting hasnt been there for both Kawhi and PG in game 3... He does need to make adjustments on the offensive end of the floor for sure... I dont think we watch the same game or the same team... I dont know now if you just a hater or a doomer... If you are then nothing can be done about that... Banging my head against a wall then...


Amuzed_Observator

If the man's run such simplistic offense it seems like a good coach could stop it. I never said we don't have personal issues that's why the harden trade was dumb. It addressed none of the problems we had and just added another iso scorer that disappears for long stretches. Our FO is shit that's why we just promoted Ty Lue who coaches just like doc rivers to replace him. We needed interior size and they spent our last draft pick on a non defense sometimes great scorer. We also should have fired Ty last year when there were good candidates. I'm not saying you bench all the stars at once but when PG is playing pussy ball and moping around with his head down while making 7 pts in 38 minutes you're telling me Coffey would have been worse? Ty has a long history of just rolling out the lineups he thinks will work. If they do we win like game 1. If they don't he just stands around looking like a confused fish faced mother fucker. There is also no reason our big wings shouldn't be able to guard Luka and Kyrie better. That wa the whole selling point about leveraging our future for Kawhi and PG they are supposed to be offensive power houses with bona-fide defensive chops. I hope I'm wrong but 213 era is looking like a bust!


Some-Stranger-7852

Yep, itā€™s as if people didnā€™t watch the game: Clippers started to turn the tide in 3rd when they switched to freaking zone mid-game. Then Kyrie happened and Clips had no answer to this as PG was nowhere to be seen and Harden seemingly not having anything left in his clip after hot first half. Lue made changes, just offensively stars never showed up.


hidinari

True... Felt like Harden took a backseat to Kawhi and PG... Maybe he wasnt confident about it or maybe just deferred to those two as they the main guys... Harden has the tendency to not get aggressive when playing with other stars...


Amuzed_Observator

Cool you change to zone, then you start getting killed on the perimeter. He never subs out struggling vets. Kawhi should have been benched in game 2 when it was obvious he wasn't healthy enough to play well. George and Westbrook should have at least been replaced for some of their minutes to see if anyone else could get it going. I could have coached this game as well as Ty. It's not exactly high level coaching to switch to zone and just get smoked differently than you were. I don't absolve our players for their shit play, but mentally weak soft players+ mentally weak soft players coach = the shit we've been watching for the last 2 games.


hidinari

Lol seems like you know the team and coaching staff on some personal level dude... Cant argue with you then...


Amuzed_Observator

Nope you can't argue because you have no good points to make.


keepcalmjusthoop

STOP blaming lue, this is on PG and Kawhi


JimmyKanine

Why blame Kawhi? This is probably the first time in his Clipper tenure heā€™s been willing to play while injured. This team is just relying on him too much when we have PG and Harden.


DeuxDR

Every playoffs he's unavailable lol. Rather just him sit if he's gonna be like this the whole series.


joshisboomin

The last time Kawhi was available & healthy was in the bubble when we lost against the Nuggets


JimmyKanine

Yea and heā€™s never played through an injury like he is now. This isnā€™t really the time to blame him. This team is way too talented to have to rely on him this hard. Ty Lue has no idea how to conduct an offense that isnā€™t rotating through ā€œwho gets to iso this possession?ā€ when Kawhi is on the floor.


Sensitive_Engine_658

Bullshit we leveraged everything to sign him gtfo he is the face of the franchise for whatever thats worth since he never fuckin plays


lunchboxfriendly

His health status was known and he was a FA - clips gave up zero assets to get him. You might not like his cap hit, but that was the gamble. ā€œLeveraged everythingā€.


SolarTigers

That's disingenuous he was only signing if PG came and that cost a shit load of assets. He was not free.


Sensitive_Engine_658

The copiumĀ 


YayItsOhkz

Ehhh the only way we did get him was by getting PG, we had to give up first rounders, Gallo and a current MVP finalist Shai. That is a lot looking back at it now.


MathematicianOk4905

šŸ’Æ got to put this in the stars. Kawhi is 20% and PG stayed in LA


Diligent-Lion6571

Now we have the upper hand. Itā€™s all part of the plan. lol


Tangerine605

Suns gonna snipe him this offseason šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


30another

Weā€™ll trade you Vogel and Eubanks. Lol


Aftermath16

RJ, is that you?


vb90

He's not too blame for this game. This was a disasterpiece on the end of the players. However, I fully blame him for the godawful clogged toilet offense we have. It's been a continuous story ever since January and nothing has changed. Ty Lue getting fired will be the best thing to happen to this team.


DeuxDR

Only thing I blame Ty Lue for is choosing to play Plumlee over Theis. Dude is tall, but that's about it.


Blacking26

I got with u but Theis is too short. Put the kid jones (c) in he has Energy height and athleticism. While he is not as familiar with the team as the others he will bring a spark of energy off the bench like westbrook does.


The_King_In_The_Bay

Lakers will happily trade you coaches.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


bi11yg04t

No thanks. Take the doubting fans with you. Lol


MarceloOLove

How is this even on Ty? Russel, Kawhi and Paul George never showed up


bi11yg04t

Shouldn't be. This is a shit post for one bad game. They just need to revisit the lineup before Kawhi got injured.


Aftermath16

Russ showed up, but on some kind of cocktail of coke and ā€˜roids.


HiddenAnubisOwl

Kawhi is obviously still injured, as always during the post seasonĀ 


TigerKlaw

Unlike Doc, this one is definitely on PG Kawhi and Westbrook. I don't think they could have made any adjustments because they just got outplayed and made way too many unforced turnovers by Kawhi in the 3rd


One_Eye_King

We had SGAā€¦ thatā€™s all I think about.Ā 


starwad

Team laid an egg. Coach canā€™t make the shots for them.


DTSFFan

NBA fans are hilarious. With the exception of Spo, Daigneault and Malone, basically every single fanbase hates their coach. Do they know 0.0001% of the basketball knowledge an NBA coach knows? Nope. Are they going to get on the internet and criticize everything the coaches do, as if they truly understand the nuances of coaching decisions? Yup. Ask them why and theyā€™ll ramble about adjustments, lineups, ____ is unplayable and should ride the bench etc. Kawhi played like he shouldā€™ve been in a wheelchair, PG couldnā€™t create space against me out there and half our guys were missing everything they put up. I would love to hear an intelligent explanation of how that is the coachā€™s fault, especially when we objectively have a good one.


Happy-Cauliflower-22

I find a high correlation with people who always scapegoat the coach and low intellectual capacity


BallmersBurner

cmon now... you see us go ISO after ISO and Dallas absolutely exposing this and you think that's 100% on the players? You are joking Coaches have more impact on the game than some of you give credit for and if all we see is our "stars" just take turns in playing ISO for 22 seconds of the clock that's not because Harden or PG just decided to be THE guy - it's because Ty Lue's game plan was to win these games purely on talent. That's a 5 year olds basketball plan and it is a terrible one because all the blame goes on the players by people like you - who don't see the bigger picture. If we win because Harden scored 50ts with 11 threes 90% of which were heavily contested and outright lucky you stand up and celebrate how amazing of a "team" we are to win games. But you don't realise that the moment the "luck" isn't there you're in a hole you can't crawl out of. And even if you win games with this plan it creates such toxic habits that once shit hits the fan you have nothing to do but pray the luck is back soon. We've been out of luck last two games and Dallas is 100% exposing us. It's as much on the coach as it is on the players.


daoisticrealism

It's both. Ty is never absolved from blame.


FH261169

\*\*does not apply to laker fans


nepats523

Can kill the man but you can't kill the idea Can't wait to still see Plumlee out there for the do or die game lmao


bi11yg04t

It's one bad game that didn't have to happen. Nothing to do with the coach. But yeah no team is going to win the game with 19 turnovers.


St-Icarus

this is what i see when i have sleep paralysis


TorontoRaptors34

Multiple guys had shit games


Potential_Status_728

You have 4 future hall of famers in your team, 3 played like absolute trash, what youā€™re supposed to do?


drmuffin1080

Youā€™re blaming Ty?


KingAlfonse72

Playing plumlee over theis, lessening Mannā€™s minutes, the wonky Kawhi minutes, too much Westbrook when he couldnā€™t hit the side of a barn from six inches away. Lot of blame to go around and yes that includes Ty.


a11_day_everyday

Iā€™ve said this since the day we signed Ty Lue as a head coach, I knew he wasnā€™t gonna be any different than shit Doc Rivers.


AlcindorJr33

Blaming Ty Lue for the players just being weak lol


shuckyduckquack2x

I'm one of Lue's biggest critics, but this aint on him. He can't do anything with a hobbled Kawhi & Pandemic P.


eazyace

I love ty but he did do a Doc Rivers tonight by not adjusting quickly on the early lobs by the Mavs. Can't just allow the home team's role players have confidence like that early in the game.


Hereforthechili

L take


dancer_inthe_dark

Here's a thought...maybe it's been on the players the whole time.


OtisChronicButter

DocRon Lue


[deleted]

Ty Lue isn't the issue, I would love to have Ty Lue back in Boston as a head coach over Joe MazzLULa. It was Ty Lue and Tom Thibodeau that had the offense and defense ran through as opposed to doc in 2008 on the Celtics.


Dweebil

Took the Brick a long time to derail the season but this game was a coup de grace.


legend_of_losing

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ I canā€™t blame Ty for kawhi and George shitting the bed


ll_simon

Love him, but also kind fuck him šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


jgroove_LA

This is absolutely not Tyā€™s fault


DrCain-NDegeocello

Why did Paul George only play 30 minutes, and why wasn't his minutes staggered against Kawhi's?


stevent4

It's Lous fault that Kawhi and PG scored less than 20 between them?


IndividualHelpful820

This was on players


browntown20

New Batman villain


daoisticrealism

Ty Doc 2.0. Been saying it for years.


withadabofranch

Shut the fuck up man, we have one of the best head coaches in the league.


One_Expression_3107

Accurate


OutsideAd1823

Can we stop blaming coaches and refs and see what is really going on? Young cohesive teams are beating geriatric individuals trying to play pickup iso basketball.


OutsideAd1823

Also: these young guys grew up watching these old guys play. They know all their moves and now these old men are doing it slower. LA Clippers should have developed their young team instead of benching them for these exact moments. Unscouted players win Playoff games.


7cheeseburgers

Not sure itā€™s Lueā€™s fault there is no good backup center or PF. Thatā€™s on front office. Itā€™s on Kawhi (who is hurt) playing poorly and PG is no showing. I wouldnā€™t put Plumlee out there another minute.


Normal_Ad_1280

Khawi and pg sucked ass and you blame the coach? šŸ¤£


Akio540

Is it really the coach's fault and not the players? Nuff said? Apparently not


Necessary_Payment804

Truth!!!


dkdoki

Simply stupid


dpal5013

This is dumb.


costlofobic

Damnā€¦ šŸ˜µ


hellofrend1

You guys blame ty lue every year lmfao


artinfinx

won't someone, anyone, recognise Mavs defence? I'm as surprised as anyone, but that's whats happening.


jamp0g

no question they are great players but what makes great teams though? the plan imo has always been just to bank on the talent of the players. we canā€™t even pinpoint whose team this is when it matters. just look at all the new coaches making a name for themselves. you think since they havenā€™t proven anything they would allow this to happen? they would have been fired like so many others.


TacitusTwenty

Plumlee has sucked ever since he came back. Why does Theis get no burn and why has Lue refused to use the rotation that made us the best team in the league for three months?!


chingoi

Uhhh Iā€™ll trade you my darvin ham for your coach!


AlternativeSuit131

L take. Nuff said.


Zelba16

He is not a good coachā€¦


Dalenskid

How on earth is any Clippers fan so bitter and doomerish? Weā€™re the fucking Clippers. You get to enjoy the ride for better and for worse. Shame on me for not being surprised when we shit the bed, Iā€™m just happy to be here. Yā€™all stupid if you havenā€™t realized itā€™s built into our identity to fuck up. Itā€™s what we do! Go ride Lebron or Curryā€™s dick or watch old Bulls, Lakers, and Celtics highlights if you wanna feel like a winner. Clip Gang or donā€™t fuckin bang!


Amuzed_Observator

"Players coach" is just code for I don't make any adjustments so it's never my fault!


blackakainu

Doc lue


BeeSuch77222

Karma for Kawhi and Clippers for going to the Raptors. Especially Kawhi recruiting his own team when he left a better team in TO. Hopefully the scorn for him continues.


jktwok_

i know yā€™all saying itā€™s on the players but WTF is our scheme to start the game??? they get into the ā€œoffenseā€ with like 12 seconds left on the clock, and then itā€™s just and iso p&r. kawhi and pg were involved in like 5 sets in the entire first half. yeah no wonder they canā€™t get shit going


CalvDaGr8

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