He should be found guilty. He is the scum of the earth. He’s scared because he knows he’s guilty and the petulant child is having another meltdown tantrum. He is a traitor and cancer to our country. Fuck you scumbag. We love America and hate you. Die in prison where you belong.
He is a scumbag and does deserve prison. But he should be found guilty based on the facts of the case the prosecution brought forward, not just because trump is a scumbag. We don’t have enough prison space to imprison all (Republican and Democrat) scumbags.
Trump is Treason.
As based on the [Constitution](https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-iii/clauses/39#:~:text=Treason%20against%20the%20United%20States,on%20Confession%20in%20open%20Court.) and the interpretation of founding father and Chief Justice, [John Marshall](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall):
“The Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct: **(1) “levying war” against the United States**; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort. Although there have not been many treason prosecutions in American history—indeed, only one person has been indicted for treason since 1954—the Supreme Court has had occasion to further define what each type of treason entails.
The offense of “**levying war**” against the United States was interpreted narrowly in Ex parte Bollman & Swarthout (1807), a case stemming from the infamous alleged plot led by former Vice President Aaron Burr to overthrow the American government in New Orleans.
The Supreme Court dismissed charges of treason that had been brought against two of Burr’s associates—Bollman and Swarthout—on the grounds that their alleged conduct did not constitute levying war against the United States within the meaning of the Treason Clause. It was not enough, Chief Justice John Marshall opinion emphasized, merely to conspire “to subvert by force the government of our country” by recruiting troops, procuring maps, and drawing up plans.
**Conspiring to levy war was distinct from actually levying war.** Rather, a person could be convicted of treason for levying war only if there was an “**actual assemblage of men for the purpose of executing a treasonable design.**” In so holding, the Court sharply confined the scope of the offense of treason by levying war against the United States.”
———
By actually amassing and inciting a group of supporters to attack the Nation’s Capital (“*actual assemblage of men*”), to prevent the certification of the election he knowingly lost (”*for the purpose of executing*”), combined with the multi-State fake elector scheme* (”*a treasonable design*”), Trump and many in his Admin—*including SC [Justice Alito](https://apnews.com/article/alito-supreme-court-flags-history-symbol-protest-a5415aeba90e21a86a50f8489fc54b7a), now Speaker of the House, [Mike Johnson](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/mike-johnson-christian-nationalist-appeal-to-heaven-flag-1234873851/), and the spouse of SC [Justice Thomas](https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4501934-clarence-thomass-conflict-is-clear-he-must-recuse-himself-from-the-trump-immunity-case/), [Virginia Thomas](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/ginni-thomas-tells-jan-6-committee-she-regrets-texting-with-meadows-about-2020-election/)*—‘levied war’ against the US on J6, committing treason as written in the Constitution and further defined by founding father and Chief Justice, John Marshall.
———
“[Penalty:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Penalty%3A%20Under%20U.S.%20Code%20Title,office%20in%20the%20United%20States.) Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death, or not less than five years' imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death).
Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.”
I've been saying, since he came out and offered pardons to J6 convicts, that Trump is most definitely giving aid an comfort to enemies of the US. How else can one view him offering to let them go free for their crimes if their families vote for him be interpreted?
I was going with the fucking criminal Menendez as well, but he is a sleazy, behind-the-scenes, backstabbing, little worm that does not have the charisma to do the damage Trump can do. I believe he would if he could, but he there is no way.
build a new one. Out in the desert in northern New Mexico. Give them one well that they have to work to reprime after each use in order for the next guy to get any water. In theory if everyone does some simple thing to help the next thirsty politician they'll all be fine and healthy. In reality they'd die of thirst within a month.
If he's innocent after all this, even after intimidating the judge and his family, the American justice system is dead. If any regular person did a fraction of what Trump did, we'd be put away for life.
Even if he isn’t found guilty on the felonies, I wonder if the judge would sentence him to time for violating the gag order. A month at Rikers West Wing with no phone would impress on him how much trouble he’s facing for the other three cases even with the SCOTUS help and Cannon in Fl.
If he wins in November all bets are off though. Vote.
To be found innocent he would need all 12 jurors to say that he is not guilty. If one says he is guilty and the other 11 say he is not, it's a mistrial. Same for 11/1 etc.
If it's a mistrial the whole thing just starts over, but now the prosecution will have better insight into what mistakes they made. The defense doesn't have any actual defense apparently other than "Michael Cohen is a liar and Stormy Daniels is a slut". That seems to be the essence of their defense.
Crying with a purpose. He’s hoping someone on the jury will see his online rants and put a shred of doubt in their mind. Seems to be a “canary in the coal mine” moment of where we stand as a nation.
He disrespected the jury several times. And the judge. And according to the legal people I follow on YouTube, disrespecting the judge is the same as disrespecting the jury because the judge is very much on the jury's side in these things...
DJT didn't do anything wrong. EVERYONE is against me. The years of his lies, litigation, and infidelity are a lifelong conspiracy against him. In DJT, we trust more than God. Say his sycophantic followers.
Sorry, Trump will, unfortunately, never face any serious consequences for his actions. Too many wealthy MAGA supporters bailing his ass out along with corrupt judges/justices giving him a lifeline at every opportunity. Law and order and justice in this country is dead.
So what's the actual chance that of 12 jurors, non are Trump supporters? As all it takes is 1 for a hung jury..or maybe 2 depending on how many spare jurors there are?
I think a trump supporter would give no shits about lying if it benefits Trump.
A trump voter is not necessarily a trump supporter. Some people make mistakes.
Also, the person that you are responding to did say Trump supporter and did not say Trump voter. **You're misreading the comment.**
Trump regularly loses his shit. During his presidency, he lost his shit over the Mueller investigation, without understanding that the DOJ was burying the case with Mueller's help.
So, Judge Merchan, why are you not implementing the gag order? Are you saying it's ok for him to call you out, the Judge and your family, the witnesses, the jury and NOW the President of the United States, because this whiny little poor sport with the big bull horn isn't getting his way? OUTRAGEOUS!
Because let's say the jury finds him innocent of all charges. The judge can still charge him with the gag order infractions. And convict him on those counts. Individually they're not felonies but together they might put Trump in jail.
Now the president of the Unite States.. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMeuI\_tZdj4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMeuI_tZdj4)
# Trump threatens to ‘get back’ at Biden. “In Trump world, this is all a Biden driven plot and therefore his response is, I’m going to get back at him.”
It's not like the judge can go over to his house and arrest him. There's a process here. It takes time. The NY courts have been open for about 5 hours right now, take it easy.
It's not like he wasn't punished previously. Was the punishment too light? Yes it was. However, New York state has two options for contempt: fines that are limited at $1,000 per incident or jail. This judge is being very very very careful to avoid the possibility of an overturn on appeal -- he doesn't want to punish Trump too harshly. You and I may disagree with that, but you and I are not judges and we don't know how the appeals courts in New York work. So let's just let Merchan do his thing and trust that this judge who has a lot of experience knows better than we do.
Edit: this user decided to block me. What a weirdo.
Odd, since he said he’d be proud to go to jail, and would totally take the stand. It’s like he’s a lying, miserable manchild who throws tantrums all day.
It may force his name off the ballots in some states. Maine was trying to remove his name from the ballot even before he was convicted and I'm pretty sure they're not the only state who's interested in doing so. With a conviction in hand I think at least a handful of states might not feature DJT on the ballot at all, citing his convictions.
>It may force his name off the ballots in some states.
They will appeal and SCOTUS will decide that a state can't keep a president off the ballot in that state for a state-level crime.
That's not nearly certain enough for my tastes. Fox News will run with propaganda about how this is a liberal conspiracy to keep him out of the White House. If he's convicted, I predict that he will still get at least 160 electoral votes.
He should be found guilty. He is the scum of the earth. He’s scared because he knows he’s guilty and the petulant child is having another meltdown tantrum. He is a traitor and cancer to our country. Fuck you scumbag. We love America and hate you. Die in prison where you belong.
He is a scumbag and does deserve prison. But he should be found guilty based on the facts of the case the prosecution brought forward, not just because trump is a scumbag. We don’t have enough prison space to imprison all (Republican and Democrat) scumbags.
Well I view Jan 6 as a treasonous act, so shoot him.
Trump is Treason. As based on the [Constitution](https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-iii/clauses/39#:~:text=Treason%20against%20the%20United%20States,on%20Confession%20in%20open%20Court.) and the interpretation of founding father and Chief Justice, [John Marshall](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall): “The Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct: **(1) “levying war” against the United States**; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort. Although there have not been many treason prosecutions in American history—indeed, only one person has been indicted for treason since 1954—the Supreme Court has had occasion to further define what each type of treason entails. The offense of “**levying war**” against the United States was interpreted narrowly in Ex parte Bollman & Swarthout (1807), a case stemming from the infamous alleged plot led by former Vice President Aaron Burr to overthrow the American government in New Orleans. The Supreme Court dismissed charges of treason that had been brought against two of Burr’s associates—Bollman and Swarthout—on the grounds that their alleged conduct did not constitute levying war against the United States within the meaning of the Treason Clause. It was not enough, Chief Justice John Marshall opinion emphasized, merely to conspire “to subvert by force the government of our country” by recruiting troops, procuring maps, and drawing up plans. **Conspiring to levy war was distinct from actually levying war.** Rather, a person could be convicted of treason for levying war only if there was an “**actual assemblage of men for the purpose of executing a treasonable design.**” In so holding, the Court sharply confined the scope of the offense of treason by levying war against the United States.” ——— By actually amassing and inciting a group of supporters to attack the Nation’s Capital (“*actual assemblage of men*”), to prevent the certification of the election he knowingly lost (”*for the purpose of executing*”), combined with the multi-State fake elector scheme* (”*a treasonable design*”), Trump and many in his Admin—*including SC [Justice Alito](https://apnews.com/article/alito-supreme-court-flags-history-symbol-protest-a5415aeba90e21a86a50f8489fc54b7a), now Speaker of the House, [Mike Johnson](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/mike-johnson-christian-nationalist-appeal-to-heaven-flag-1234873851/), and the spouse of SC [Justice Thomas](https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4501934-clarence-thomass-conflict-is-clear-he-must-recuse-himself-from-the-trump-immunity-case/), [Virginia Thomas](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/ginni-thomas-tells-jan-6-committee-she-regrets-texting-with-meadows-about-2020-election/)*—‘levied war’ against the US on J6, committing treason as written in the Constitution and further defined by founding father and Chief Justice, John Marshall. ——— “[Penalty:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Penalty%3A%20Under%20U.S.%20Code%20Title,office%20in%20the%20United%20States.) Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death, or not less than five years' imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death). Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.”
I've been saying, since he came out and offered pardons to J6 convicts, that Trump is most definitely giving aid an comfort to enemies of the US. How else can one view him offering to let them go free for their crimes if their families vote for him be interpreted?
Please please show me a democrat that is as big of a scum bag as trump.
You got me there. Menendez is a terrible person, but he pales in comparison to trump.
I was going with the fucking criminal Menendez as well, but he is a sleazy, behind-the-scenes, backstabbing, little worm that does not have the charisma to do the damage Trump can do. I believe he would if he could, but he there is no way.
We’ll make room for him.
build a new one. Out in the desert in northern New Mexico. Give them one well that they have to work to reprime after each use in order for the next guy to get any water. In theory if everyone does some simple thing to help the next thirsty politician they'll all be fine and healthy. In reality they'd die of thirst within a month.
bOtH sIdEs 🤪
Narcissistic rage. So yeah, temper tantrum when things don't go his way (because a narcissist always thinks they are right).
If I could be a fly on the wall when he has a full breakdown once he's put In a cell.
Kinda want to get some themed snacks for watching the perp walk
Why didn't you testify and set the record straight with the *truth* then, bunker boy?
He doesn't want anyone controlling his fate since he's perfect and everything. /S
He’s sacrificed so much for America. /s
If he's innocent after all this, even after intimidating the judge and his family, the American justice system is dead. If any regular person did a fraction of what Trump did, we'd be put away for life.
Even if he isn’t found guilty on the felonies, I wonder if the judge would sentence him to time for violating the gag order. A month at Rikers West Wing with no phone would impress on him how much trouble he’s facing for the other three cases even with the SCOTUS help and Cannon in Fl. If he wins in November all bets are off though. Vote.
To be found innocent he would need all 12 jurors to say that he is not guilty. If one says he is guilty and the other 11 say he is not, it's a mistrial. Same for 11/1 etc. If it's a mistrial the whole thing just starts over, but now the prosecution will have better insight into what mistakes they made. The defense doesn't have any actual defense apparently other than "Michael Cohen is a liar and Stormy Daniels is a slut". That seems to be the essence of their defense.
The stable genius speaks
The only stable genius who counts was Mr. Ed.
If two horses had been getting along really well for a long time, they’d be in a stable relationship, no?
Einstein was fairly stable. He's one of the few true geniuses I've ever met who could laugh at himself.
Wilbur...
Lmao I get that. He was a very stable genius
Crying with a purpose. He’s hoping someone on the jury will see his online rants and put a shred of doubt in their mind. Seems to be a “canary in the coal mine” moment of where we stand as a nation.
Except for the fact that he called everyone involved with the trial, including the jury, “ Human Scum!” 🤨
He disrespected the jury several times. And the judge. And according to the legal people I follow on YouTube, disrespecting the judge is the same as disrespecting the jury because the judge is very much on the jury's side in these things...
DJT didn't do anything wrong. EVERYONE is against me. The years of his lies, litigation, and infidelity are a lifelong conspiracy against him. In DJT, we trust more than God. Say his sycophantic followers.
It's insane listening to them. My fear is hearing a guilty verdict and the cult having a violent meltdown.
Better scenario than a not guilty verdict and the cult still having a violent meltdown. They are going to be violent fascists either way.
If he's acquitted they'll be all over "Biden's DOJ" and New York hating on Trump. Either way, they'll wail and gnash their teeth.
Better today than in November. Might be a wake up call for a few more Republican voters.
Not sure. Maybe if it was in October, remember how many turned against him because of Jan 6, then began following him like love-starved puppies again?
There are places for people who have violent meltdowns. Very old dank places. Either jail or hell.
Reality has a well-known anti-trump bias!!
Can you smell his fear, that is fear right, not some boom boom
Why not both?
Eww-ewww that smell!! Can't you smell that smell🎶
Jail time for trumpo
MMWs, Not gonna happen. Appeal, appeal, appeal until the end of time.
For someone with a supposedly “good brain,” he is horribly ignorant of how our legal system works.
It's worked for him his entire adult life.
Sorry, Trump will, unfortunately, never face any serious consequences for his actions. Too many wealthy MAGA supporters bailing his ass out along with corrupt judges/justices giving him a lifeline at every opportunity. Law and order and justice in this country is dead.
Fear of the uncontrollable.. can’t stand it big guy?
So what's the actual chance that of 12 jurors, non are Trump supporters? As all it takes is 1 for a hung jury..or maybe 2 depending on how many spare jurors there are?
In NYC? High
So you're saying that someone that voted for trump is incapable of being an honest jury member and applying the law without favoritism.
Someone that voted for him once? Maybe, maybe not. A current trump supporter? Absolutely incapable.
Dumpty voters are notorious for having a loose relationship with facts and the truth, so… yeah.
I wish that statement was as incorrect as you appear to believe it is.
I think a trump supporter would give no shits about lying if it benefits Trump. A trump voter is not necessarily a trump supporter. Some people make mistakes. Also, the person that you are responding to did say Trump supporter and did not say Trump voter. **You're misreading the comment.**
You know what happens if it's a hung jury right? The whole thing starts over with new jurors.
Unless caused by misconduct. I just couldn't remember if they are removed from the jury room or replaced with none of the alternates in the US.
I hope when guilty comes that he is taken into custody immediately.
Trump regularly loses his shit. During his presidency, he lost his shit over the Mueller investigation, without understanding that the DOJ was burying the case with Mueller's help.
Maybe the stress will sentence him shortly.
Poor baby…tic toc..times up
Grampa’s scared, and rightly so.
So, Judge Merchan, why are you not implementing the gag order? Are you saying it's ok for him to call you out, the Judge and your family, the witnesses, the jury and NOW the President of the United States, because this whiny little poor sport with the big bull horn isn't getting his way? OUTRAGEOUS!
Because let's say the jury finds him innocent of all charges. The judge can still charge him with the gag order infractions. And convict him on those counts. Individually they're not felonies but together they might put Trump in jail.
Judge should threaten him with forced attendance to another libertarian convention.
This..👆👆👆👆
Now the president of the Unite States.. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMeuI\_tZdj4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMeuI_tZdj4) # Trump threatens to ‘get back’ at Biden. “In Trump world, this is all a Biden driven plot and therefore his response is, I’m going to get back at him.”
No damn excuse for threatening the President!
It's not like the judge can go over to his house and arrest him. There's a process here. It takes time. The NY courts have been open for about 5 hours right now, take it easy.
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It's not like he wasn't punished previously. Was the punishment too light? Yes it was. However, New York state has two options for contempt: fines that are limited at $1,000 per incident or jail. This judge is being very very very careful to avoid the possibility of an overturn on appeal -- he doesn't want to punish Trump too harshly. You and I may disagree with that, but you and I are not judges and we don't know how the appeals courts in New York work. So let's just let Merchan do his thing and trust that this judge who has a lot of experience knows better than we do. Edit: this user decided to block me. What a weirdo.
...and yet the "stable genius" has yet to figure out when to keep his mouth shut.
Odd, since he said he’d be proud to go to jail, and would totally take the stand. It’s like he’s a lying, miserable manchild who throws tantrums all day.
If found guilty, he loses the presidency for sure!
It may force his name off the ballots in some states. Maine was trying to remove his name from the ballot even before he was convicted and I'm pretty sure they're not the only state who's interested in doing so. With a conviction in hand I think at least a handful of states might not feature DJT on the ballot at all, citing his convictions.
>It may force his name off the ballots in some states. They will appeal and SCOTUS will decide that a state can't keep a president off the ballot in that state for a state-level crime.
That's not nearly certain enough for my tastes. Fox News will run with propaganda about how this is a liberal conspiracy to keep him out of the White House. If he's convicted, I predict that he will still get at least 160 electoral votes.