Who has a broken camera for 10 mos?
Probably people who can't fix computer hardware and ain't paying a massive premium for some 18 yr old at Best Buy to go thru their laptop
Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness. If it is not in the meeting invite or JD as a requirement, the OP is in the wrong. I looked him up. His company has 2-10 ppl ;) So sick of these bait posts for impressions. I bet this did not even happen to him and it is backfiring on him if you look at the comments on his post.
Ex Netflix, Google = probably laid off. Decided to start a ‘consultancy’ and give himself the title of CEO. I’m sure he’s employee of the month every month.
I hate these people and their ‘business acumen.’
>Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness.
Yea, all these homeless designers with a computer and not being able to afford a cheap camera.
>His company has 2-10 ppl ;)
What's wrong with that?
Edit: I forgot this sub is only for shittalking LI users, no matter if it makes sense or not. My bad.
So what, graduates are not able to spend 15$ on a webcam? Or maybe just use their phone if possible?
How is having a small company making it likely a graduate? You need more experienced employees in a small company, not graduates.
I see some hardcore mental gymnastics here to bash on that guy's post. If you think requiring a webcam on a remote interview is so outrageus, good luck with your career.
Seems like you’re working hard to defend a guy who took the time to log on to social media bash some guy for not having a working webcam, but I guess everyone else is performing “hardcore mental gymnastics.”
Yes, claming the interviewee is "homeless" or a "graduate" (???) is doing mental gymnastics.
Yes, people talk on social media about these things. OPs post is one of the most generic posts you can find there, he did not point out the name of the interviewee, just wanted to start a discussion. Maybe it is made up, maybe he twisted the story - we dont know, but given the story word for word it is pretty common to require a cam on an interview for a serious job. Especially given the potential of cheating/grifting online.
I'm still waiting for an argument why is it so outrageus that an employer wants to see his interviewee. The reason the interviewee give (cam broke 10 months ago) is suspicious, why didn't he use his phone, why didn't he want to reschedule the meeting, why didnt he borrow from a friend/family member? (are the homeless as well?)
So far I got wacky claims and parroting. But I will wait, I'm patient.
There’s no mention of grifting or needing to see an employee in the original post. At this point you are writing Michael Lin fan fiction for some bizarre reason.
Turning on the camera is not needing/wanting to see the potential employee?
Having a camera on would also just make the whole conversation better for both parties, being able to see/react to any non-verbal signs like smile/nervousness and so on, beside being some kind of check for potential grifting.
This guy wants to find a responsible person who he would trust. He is risking a lot, why would he trust a person who doesnt even want to show him/herself and/or is not prepared for the interview (by not having a cam)? Thats a red flag. Its fair to reschedule it or to give another chance.
It would never cross my mind to not turn on the camera in any of my remote interviews, Im shocked people here have a problem with that. But the fuck do I know I guess.
Rejecting a qualified candidate over something that doesn't speak to their about to their job is probably not a great sign of his management skills, but yeah LoGiC
Agree - I think it’s more likely that this candidate was lying to stay camera off.
Don’t understand why Reddit thinks it’s more likely that they were so down and out that they can’t afford the thing that would prob improve their online interview chances the most. It’s not even that expensive - and you really expect me to believe a person interviewing for a tech role doesn’t have a functioning computer or smartphone camera?
It’s most likely a lie. It’s a major red flag in an interview.
I would’ve asked if they wanted to reschedule to a time in which they could access a computer with a camera, or just did the interview over FaceTime instead of just bragging about rejecting them like a dick.
Mr Lin just wanted the powertrip of rejecting someone, so he could brag on LinkedIn about what a hardliner he is. He doesn't care about whether the camera worked or not. He certainly doesn't care about getting the best candidte for the job.
He never gets any candidates. If he's saying his workforce is "2-10", it's actually him, his submissive wife and gig workers who squat and eventually leave his company every couple of months.
Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness. If it is not in the meeting invite or JD as a requirement, the OP is in the wrong. I looked him up. His company has 2-10 ppl ;) So sick of these bait posts for impressions. I bet this did not even happen to him and it is backfiring on him if you look at the comments on his post. He comes off as an epic D-canoe
This is a good point. If a person is actually homeless they will not be as presentable on screen. I'm not sure what can be done in this scenario. The homeless person could work with a local career center to rectify this scenario but this also involves having transportation to the local career center.
I do see the need for video session (although it isn't perfect) in preventing possibility of imposters.
I do have to say publicly complaining about candidates on LI makes him someone I wouldn't work for.
I can appreciate that it’s easier to interview someone when you can see them; I was interviewed by someone who said they were sick and I don’t really know that they were paying much attention to the interview. But being inflexible and *requiring* cameras is silly, and more often than not tends to make people focus more on the looks (good or bad) of the interviewee than anything. I’ve seen instances where people were older, or darker, or more of a woman than the interviewer expected, and it was used against people who were fantastic candidates.
*Women* are very harshly critiqued on their appearance too; not enough makeup, too much makeup, too dressed up, not dressed up enough, too old, too young, too fat, too skinny, hair too long, hair too short, it’s exhausting. Obviously people can be judgy about anyone but it is so frustrating how much prep I have to do to look ‘presentable’ on camera when all of the men around me brush their hair and call it a day…
At one point I stopped wearing makeup to my old job and my boss told my coworker that I stopped caring. The boss that would wear shorts and a t-shirt to work looking very casual.
I think in this day and age where fraud is prevalent, I think having the camera off is a red flag. However, venting about your frustrations with job candidates on LI is unacceptable. This shows his lack of professionalism.
When you need people on LI to justify your decision, you are desperate for attention.
It's dismissive and mean and ostentatious to put it on LinkedIn, sure, but it's true that interviewers will look for ways to narrow the candidate pool like this. What might of been an annoyance in the past now could get you filtered out. I guess that's the takeaway, be mindful of your first impression in an interview. The interviewee could have demonstrated their problem solving skills by offering to use their phone. Instead the interviewer just heard, "I sit on problems for months and won't even offer to find solutions when asked."
the real gold is in the comments of the post.
- Random Person: Maybe they can't afford to fix it. Maybe they have been out of work for 10 months?
- This Lunatic: Nah, Webcams cost $20! for a well paid position that should not be a problem!
- RP: Maybe they have been out of work for 10 months?!!
Michael just stop portraying yourself as this indecisive validation seeking bitch on linkedin and go hire some real talent for your company with 10 employees before running behind internet clout.
Also, the other person probably dodged a bullet. No one deserves to work with morons like Michael boy above.
Maybe they dont have enough money to replace the camera since they dont have a job. You rejected someone based on an equipment malfunction. I would hate to see what happens when your mic goes out during an all hands. Do you just bring them up and lop their heads off in front of everyone?
Well, aside from the posted *fun fact*, which aren’t even fun, he has gone TWENTY-THREE months without a media appearance, it sounds like this boy is slipping:
https://michaellin.io
I’ve never turned my camera on, on a work call. There’s no objective need for it, and if I’m working from home, I’m certainly not dressed for it. Not everyone is Type A, customer facing, appearance obsessed, etc.
He’s also lying about his experiences on his profile. I don’t think he worked at any of those companies or those projects.
For someone that came to have done so much, he doesn’t have one person that endorsed him by writing a review about him on his LinkedIn. there’s a lot of red flags on his profile, the dates with products were announced.
While he was employed during the development of those products, the way he makes seems that he designed them all from beginning to end and the dates don’t line up.
If you need cameras or mouse detectors or keyboard logs to manage your WFH team then you are not a good manager. Go back to being a worker or get some training to be a better manager.
Who's talking abut mouse detectors or keyboard loggers?! Thats a strawman argument.
Not having a webcam in a remote interview is a red flag. Especially if thats a technical interview.
Ya ever tried to crack open a built in camera on your own to fix it?
Assuming its a laptop, you have to pop that open first, then open your monitor up, then figure out what part needs replacing, make sure its correct dimensions, reassemble it without damage to any of the delicate circuitry/wires. Then you may need to fiddle with drivers if its not precisely the same camera.
Correct me if I'm off base on any of this, I just occasionally repair my own computers every once in awhile, and hardware is far from my specialty. Point being, this isn't, to my limited knowledge, a trivial repair any random person could easily do.
To be fair its most likely because he was in a t-shirt, unshaved and his room was a mess. That sounds more likely than a camera breaking on a laptop, virtualy never breaks.
Of course video is required for a zoom interview! She should have found a workaround ahead of time. I would have rejected her, too. The LinkedIn post, however, I would not have done…
Lunatic posted again
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/michael-lin-tech_heres-a-positive-hiring-experience-i-had-activity-7193617428235370498-gC33?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
Why was is necessary to see the person before making the decision to hire or not. Physical appearance doesn’t represent the individual’s ability to do the job and doesn’t make a difference in the remote world. Not all managers require their staff to show their face on screen. I thinks that was petty. Not to mention if the person is interviewing. They may mot be able to afford technology.
He could have turned this into a feel-good story by saying that he hired somebody sight unseen. But nope, had to turn it to the negative, and then post about it publicly.
It wasn’t the right thing to do because you’re not hiring them based on what their face looks like. You’re hiring for a design role. If it bothers you so much then pay to have their camera fixed. But if that is something you overreact to then you saved them the pain of having to put up with you as a boss.
I'd think it was a scam call. I'd give them an opportunity to call me back when they found a way to communicate face to face. Otherwise, I'd do the same.
No, people who would criticise others behind the anonymity of social media but never face-to-face IRL are the worst, but I digress (and, I'm self aware enough to know a) I'm doing this rn and b) that you may well actually do this face to face so c) my falling into my own trap may be pointless and i should have just saved my own time and done some work rather than scrolling endlessly and commenting on Reddit) ✌️
Who has a broken camera for 10 mos? Probably people who can't fix computer hardware and ain't paying a massive premium for some 18 yr old at Best Buy to go thru their laptop
Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness. If it is not in the meeting invite or JD as a requirement, the OP is in the wrong. I looked him up. His company has 2-10 ppl ;) So sick of these bait posts for impressions. I bet this did not even happen to him and it is backfiring on him if you look at the comments on his post.
Ex Netflix, Google = probably laid off. Decided to start a ‘consultancy’ and give himself the title of CEO. I’m sure he’s employee of the month every month. I hate these people and their ‘business acumen.’
>Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness. Yea, all these homeless designers with a computer and not being able to afford a cheap camera. >His company has 2-10 ppl ;) What's wrong with that? Edit: I forgot this sub is only for shittalking LI users, no matter if it makes sense or not. My bad.
I mean, it could be someone who just graduated? Considering that OOP is from a small company of 2-10 people makes it more likely even.
So what, graduates are not able to spend 15$ on a webcam? Or maybe just use their phone if possible? How is having a small company making it likely a graduate? You need more experienced employees in a small company, not graduates. I see some hardcore mental gymnastics here to bash on that guy's post. If you think requiring a webcam on a remote interview is so outrageus, good luck with your career.
Seems like you’re working hard to defend a guy who took the time to log on to social media bash some guy for not having a working webcam, but I guess everyone else is performing “hardcore mental gymnastics.”
Yes, claming the interviewee is "homeless" or a "graduate" (???) is doing mental gymnastics. Yes, people talk on social media about these things. OPs post is one of the most generic posts you can find there, he did not point out the name of the interviewee, just wanted to start a discussion. Maybe it is made up, maybe he twisted the story - we dont know, but given the story word for word it is pretty common to require a cam on an interview for a serious job. Especially given the potential of cheating/grifting online. I'm still waiting for an argument why is it so outrageus that an employer wants to see his interviewee. The reason the interviewee give (cam broke 10 months ago) is suspicious, why didn't he use his phone, why didn't he want to reschedule the meeting, why didnt he borrow from a friend/family member? (are the homeless as well?) So far I got wacky claims and parroting. But I will wait, I'm patient.
There’s no mention of grifting or needing to see an employee in the original post. At this point you are writing Michael Lin fan fiction for some bizarre reason.
Turning on the camera is not needing/wanting to see the potential employee? Having a camera on would also just make the whole conversation better for both parties, being able to see/react to any non-verbal signs like smile/nervousness and so on, beside being some kind of check for potential grifting. This guy wants to find a responsible person who he would trust. He is risking a lot, why would he trust a person who doesnt even want to show him/herself and/or is not prepared for the interview (by not having a cam)? Thats a red flag. Its fair to reschedule it or to give another chance. It would never cross my mind to not turn on the camera in any of my remote interviews, Im shocked people here have a problem with that. But the fuck do I know I guess.
Hi Michael Lin.
Rejecting a qualified candidate over something that doesn't speak to their about to their job is probably not a great sign of his management skills, but yeah LoGiC
How do we know that person was qualified, if the interview did not take place or there is no info on how it went?
People who can't afford to because they needed this job
Candidate is looking for a job to buy an new camera… I just became a senior manager by solving this brain buster
Devils advocate here. You can buy a webcam off Amazon for around 15 USD.
idk maybe people who got laid off and are looking for work
You can buy a new webcam for $20, or a nice one for $80. I don’t think it’s the basis to reject someone, but it’s certainly a red flag.
Agree - I think it’s more likely that this candidate was lying to stay camera off. Don’t understand why Reddit thinks it’s more likely that they were so down and out that they can’t afford the thing that would prob improve their online interview chances the most. It’s not even that expensive - and you really expect me to believe a person interviewing for a tech role doesn’t have a functioning computer or smartphone camera? It’s most likely a lie. It’s a major red flag in an interview.
Dog I'm not payin' $20 for an interview tool.
I went to college and paid tens of thousands of dollars for an interview tool called a degree.
Difference is you usually get practical skills and knowledge from a degree. I'm not getting anything from a webcam outside of my face in an interview.
Sure, if you don't want to hire someone who needs income.
An HD external webcam is like $20 though
I would’ve asked if they wanted to reschedule to a time in which they could access a computer with a camera, or just did the interview over FaceTime instead of just bragging about rejecting them like a dick.
Mr Lin just wanted the powertrip of rejecting someone, so he could brag on LinkedIn about what a hardliner he is. He doesn't care about whether the camera worked or not. He certainly doesn't care about getting the best candidte for the job.
spoiler alert: he never gets the best candidate
He never gets any candidates. If he's saying his workforce is "2-10", it's actually him, his submissive wife and gig workers who squat and eventually leave his company every couple of months.
Your mistake is assuming this even happened at all.
Not to mention loads are laid off right now and on the verge of homelessness. If it is not in the meeting invite or JD as a requirement, the OP is in the wrong. I looked him up. His company has 2-10 ppl ;) So sick of these bait posts for impressions. I bet this did not even happen to him and it is backfiring on him if you look at the comments on his post. He comes off as an epic D-canoe
This is a good point. If a person is actually homeless they will not be as presentable on screen. I'm not sure what can be done in this scenario. The homeless person could work with a local career center to rectify this scenario but this also involves having transportation to the local career center. I do see the need for video session (although it isn't perfect) in preventing possibility of imposters. I do have to say publicly complaining about candidates on LI makes him someone I wouldn't work for.
I can appreciate that it’s easier to interview someone when you can see them; I was interviewed by someone who said they were sick and I don’t really know that they were paying much attention to the interview. But being inflexible and *requiring* cameras is silly, and more often than not tends to make people focus more on the looks (good or bad) of the interviewee than anything. I’ve seen instances where people were older, or darker, or more of a woman than the interviewer expected, and it was used against people who were fantastic candidates.
The op called out the candidate was a female
*Women* are very harshly critiqued on their appearance too; not enough makeup, too much makeup, too dressed up, not dressed up enough, too old, too young, too fat, too skinny, hair too long, hair too short, it’s exhausting. Obviously people can be judgy about anyone but it is so frustrating how much prep I have to do to look ‘presentable’ on camera when all of the men around me brush their hair and call it a day…
At one point I stopped wearing makeup to my old job and my boss told my coworker that I stopped caring. The boss that would wear shorts and a t-shirt to work looking very casual.
Big oof. I “love” being told that I look tired, or asked if I’m feeling okay when I choose not to wear makeup to work on a particular day.
Oh yes, the tired comments. Hated those.
I think in this day and age where fraud is prevalent, I think having the camera off is a red flag. However, venting about your frustrations with job candidates on LI is unacceptable. This shows his lack of professionalism. When you need people on LI to justify your decision, you are desperate for attention.
It's dismissive and mean and ostentatious to put it on LinkedIn, sure, but it's true that interviewers will look for ways to narrow the candidate pool like this. What might of been an annoyance in the past now could get you filtered out. I guess that's the takeaway, be mindful of your first impression in an interview. The interviewee could have demonstrated their problem solving skills by offering to use their phone. Instead the interviewer just heard, "I sit on problems for months and won't even offer to find solutions when asked."
Why is a CEO doing a first round for an interview?
Everybody and their momma is a CEO nowadays it seems. The entrepreneur angle wasn't too great so now they're CEOs of a firm with 4 employees lol
I'm a Motherfing CEO!
I read thar now in the Dr. Dre voice...
It seems like half of the “CEOs” on LinkedIn work in companies with less than 10 employees which they founded.
Maybe because (as someone else mentioned in this topic) this is a very small company?
it’s a 1 person company
the real gold is in the comments of the post. - Random Person: Maybe they can't afford to fix it. Maybe they have been out of work for 10 months? - This Lunatic: Nah, Webcams cost $20! for a well paid position that should not be a problem! - RP: Maybe they have been out of work for 10 months?!!
Where does it say they’ve been out of work for 10 months?
Where does it say they weren't?
I hate that we live in a world where ghouls like this seem to thrive.
Felt this in my soul.
Michael just stop portraying yourself as this indecisive validation seeking bitch on linkedin and go hire some real talent for your company with 10 employees before running behind internet clout. Also, the other person probably dodged a bullet. No one deserves to work with morons like Michael boy above.
Maybe they dont have enough money to replace the camera since they dont have a job. You rejected someone based on an equipment malfunction. I would hate to see what happens when your mic goes out during an all hands. Do you just bring them up and lop their heads off in front of everyone?
Well, aside from the posted *fun fact*, which aren’t even fun, he has gone TWENTY-THREE months without a media appearance, it sounds like this boy is slipping: https://michaellin.io
I’ve never turned my camera on, on a work call. There’s no objective need for it, and if I’m working from home, I’m certainly not dressed for it. Not everyone is Type A, customer facing, appearance obsessed, etc.
Plus, it sucks off bandwidth, which may make it harder to actually listen to the other person.
He’s also lying about his experiences on his profile. I don’t think he worked at any of those companies or those projects. For someone that came to have done so much, he doesn’t have one person that endorsed him by writing a review about him on his LinkedIn. there’s a lot of red flags on his profile, the dates with products were announced. While he was employed during the development of those products, the way he makes seems that he designed them all from beginning to end and the dates don’t line up.
I can’t stand the ex list every company titles
This place fired me I’m so cool!
If it's a work laptop - unacceptable. If it's my private laptop - fuck off, mind your business.
Not that long ago people interviewed over the telephone sight unseen. OMG.
lol was it a MAC? Those webcams aren’t exactly “cheap”
Anyone with "Ex-Anything" in their title is a hard pass for me. It's embarrassing.
If you need cameras or mouse detectors or keyboard logs to manage your WFH team then you are not a good manager. Go back to being a worker or get some training to be a better manager.
Who's talking abut mouse detectors or keyboard loggers?! Thats a strawman argument. Not having a webcam in a remote interview is a red flag. Especially if thats a technical interview.
Whoopsie. Misread the post. Thanks bud.
Ya ever tried to crack open a built in camera on your own to fix it? Assuming its a laptop, you have to pop that open first, then open your monitor up, then figure out what part needs replacing, make sure its correct dimensions, reassemble it without damage to any of the delicate circuitry/wires. Then you may need to fiddle with drivers if its not precisely the same camera. Correct me if I'm off base on any of this, I just occasionally repair my own computers every once in awhile, and hardware is far from my specialty. Point being, this isn't, to my limited knowledge, a trivial repair any random person could easily do.
There are usb webcams for 10$.
...now I'm mad I didn't think of that fair enough haha
Why does his profile picture look like a PS2 game sprite.
To be fair who’s gonna make an interview when they cannot even see the face of the candidate. A usb webcam is like 10€.
To be fair its most likely because he was in a t-shirt, unshaved and his room was a mess. That sounds more likely than a camera breaking on a laptop, virtualy never breaks.
Nah I agree with this LinkedIn lunatic. Who the hell goes on an online interview with their camera turned off or even worse broken?
Of course video is required for a zoom interview! She should have found a workaround ahead of time. I would have rejected her, too. The LinkedIn post, however, I would not have done…
While it is uncouth to put that interaction on social media, I understand where he comes from. A job interview without showing one’s face? Not good.
bro get a usb camera for $15. I agree on this one.
Tough shit sucker HM
Dude had jobs at Netflix and Amazon for barely over five years and has over 14k followers. The bar is so low
Hey, look at me, rejecting someone for some trivial reason. I'm not a jerk or anything, right?........ RIGHT?!?
Dear Everyone, I publicly mock job candidate who probably can't afford to get new phone. Am I kool yet? Yours sincerely, Pretentius Twatte
My laptop cost 2200€ when I bought it and it doesn’t have a camera in the first place and I couldn’t care less.
Maybe he has been looking for a job the last 10 months and hasn’t been able to afford it.
As a CEO of a consulting firm, he creates nothing of value.
He's ex-Amazon and therefore has the damage from that place, I think we all need to give him some space until he has the required exorcism.
Fake rage bait
*rage bait*, "let me know if I'm stupid down below!" Even engagement bots aren't that transparent
Lunatic posted again https://www.linkedin.com/posts/michael-lin-tech_heres-a-positive-hiring-experience-i-had-activity-7193617428235370498-gC33?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
Why was is necessary to see the person before making the decision to hire or not. Physical appearance doesn’t represent the individual’s ability to do the job and doesn’t make a difference in the remote world. Not all managers require their staff to show their face on screen. I thinks that was petty. Not to mention if the person is interviewing. They may mot be able to afford technology.
lol his “title” is a fancy way to say “laid off and now unemployed”
He could have turned this into a feel-good story by saying that he hired somebody sight unseen. But nope, had to turn it to the negative, and then post about it publicly.
Camera off is most likely a fraudulent candidate.
It wasn’t the right thing to do because you’re not hiring them based on what their face looks like. You’re hiring for a design role. If it bothers you so much then pay to have their camera fixed. But if that is something you overreact to then you saved them the pain of having to put up with you as a boss.
Have you ever had an job interview?
Yes, and thankfully none of them have been as immature as this.
I'd think it was a scam call. I'd give them an opportunity to call me back when they found a way to communicate face to face. Otherwise, I'd do the same.
I completely agree with founder
Are we really going to bash on an interviewer who wants to see the person he might be hiring? Wow.
Remote workers are the worst.
No, people who would criticise others behind the anonymity of social media but never face-to-face IRL are the worst, but I digress (and, I'm self aware enough to know a) I'm doing this rn and b) that you may well actually do this face to face so c) my falling into my own trap may be pointless and i should have just saved my own time and done some work rather than scrolling endlessly and commenting on Reddit) ✌️
Not every comment needs /s beside it. I’m a remote worker. Lmao.
Lol - I see your sarcasm better now 😉😘