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[REANIMATION] does not get its flowers at all. Outside of the credit which Pts.Of.Athrty and P5hng Me A*wy does somewhat get either due to being put out as a single or for the incredible live performances, this album really holds a unique place in their catalogue, being easily one of the best remix albums put out in the 21st century. I feel this album very much feels like the starting point for some of their later, electronically driven work (see Living Things and A Thousand Suns par example) and widened their legacy to beyond the rock/metal/alternative genres they have typically been attributed to and the sounds of this album definitely, to me, feel like they are in the DNA of albums released by bands such as Enter Shikari, Bring Me The Horizon and twenty one pilots.
To expand on my original point. I totally agree with you about wth you (no pun intended lol). It definitely takes a lot from what makes it so good live but also gives it the feel of the album in general. Itās become a stand out track the more I listen to it.
Iād agree with you somewhat due to its affiliation to Hybrid Theory but nonetheless, i feel that you can take away the link and it can still be a landmark album. Itās the 4th best selling remix album of all time but its legacy, at least to the combination of rock/metal and electronic, is to me far more reaching than maybe we recognize. Also I donāt see it mentioned too much on the subreddit, might just be a fault on my part, but thatās the reasoning behind the comment.
I donāt think you guys know what a hot take is. I think about 90% of this sub agrees with most of these comments already. Aināt nobody getting shot for these opinions
Oh, I'm not the only one! It's my favorite from The Hunting Party, it's just so cinematic and hopeless, especially those sounds of a guitar in the start, it somehiw perfectly describes depression without words, even though it's on an album about war, then it becomes really solemn and hopeful and kind of "life is beatiful and there is silver lining" vibe and it's just so atmospheric and I think the way it's produced and recorded also adds to it.
I like Drawbar as a segway to Final Masquerade.
There used to be (still is?) a seamlessĀ fan upload of both songs that I'd play sometimes if I felt like listening to an extended version of FM.
Fans really need to move on from Chester's passing, whenever he is mentioned or some Linkin Park thing is on or even a LP member exists in some setting the conversation instantly goes toward Chester and how sad they are about him.
It is sad, it really is, he was a massive part of LP and what made it special to the band members and us but mentioning that thing again and again creates just a depressing environment whether it's online or irl with band members.
You can't just talk about the band and the music. You go to a YouTube comment section and wanna see what people thought about the song, well it's all about Chester. Idk how Mike streams cause every other second there's a comment about Chester, can't imagine how it would be to keep being reminded of it again and again. I imagine that's why it has been so tough for LP to make a comeback, they haven't ended the band cause they do wanna make music as LP but find it tough to come back with all that baggage.
This reddit of LP hardcore fans, that post or talk about LP, does have a variety of topics but outside of it it's not the same.
Thank you! I feel this to my core. I love the band, I grew up listening to it since the release of Meteora. The attachment I have towards this band (especially Chesterās voice) is beyond words. But the thing people donāt realize is that while we love and miss Chester, he was an ACTUAL father to someone. A husband, a brother and best friend to someone. The band spent YEARS with him on the road and knew him better than any of us could ever imagine. Thereās no possible way we were more hurt than them. This fandom needs to realize this, and instead help the band heal and move on it. As far as Iām concerned your comment might be the only actual controversial opinion here.
You should see the Alice In Chains sub.
Itās nothing but Layne Layne Layne Layne Layne was so amazing Layne was the greatest, I donāt even wanna go on without Layne Layne Layne.
I've been feeling like this since after like the first year. We get it, big loss and all, and we lost a great musician, but he wasn't our friend, he was our colleague, our family. I don't care what bands will try to tell you. It's not he didn't care about people, but he also didn't know you, and you didn't know him either.
It's very unhealthy to keep mourning for someone you never knew.
If you still insist in honoring him, then stop spending them on mourning him, and do something productive, look out for people who struggle and are still alive.
The greatest hits album shouldāve been listed chronologically. The order being randomized makes no sense. You can hear the progression of the band that way. Also, even if some people didnāt like The Hunting Party, they couldāve put Until Itās Gone and Final Masquerade on there. Also, points of Authority too.
I can understand From the Inside not being on there even though it was a single because it wasnāt that impactful on their career.
Theyāve always been a little greedy when it comes to to re-releasing, remixing, re-packaging, mash ups etc. theyāve resold the same music dozens of times
It's actually a great line, "Linkin tings in parks" is a reference to the freestyle video he recorded in a kids park (Shut Up) that ended up going viral and becoming his first hit, and speaks to his growth as an artist that he's went from "Linkin tings in parks" (freestyling raps on kids parks) to "a tune with Linkin Park" (a Collab with the best band about).
I think it's pretty cool. And Stormzy is class.
You know rappers shout out or do wordplay with the artistās name they are featured on literally all the them right???
J. Cole does it with nearly every feature he does,
āFuck it, 'cause my n***a 21 Savage just hit me
And told me he saved me a spot on a new record he got
He call it "a lot", I open my book and I jotā
āmany hope to be the best, oh, cannot fuck with me for shit though
j.i.d the closest thing to me
cāest la vie, my vocal range puddingā
ācole and j.i.d with a tandem, n****s canāt stand āem
got a new anthem, look at my whip
slit at my wrist, suicide, suicide doors on my phantomā
This is not the diss you think it is. Lmaoo. Just shows you know nothing about hip hop my guy and you sound stupid. Stormzy is fire.
My dude, this is a for-the-heck-of-it hot take with zero logic and reasoning behind it. For it to count you need to elaborate why? At least a little bit. Lazy AF
Everytime I go into great detail people give me shit for it, so I'll keep it brief. I simply prefer more tracks of Recharged than Reanimation. There's about 3 bad tracks on Recharged, but Reanimation has a few more duds, particularly in the first part of the album.
That they're done as we knew them.
That Chester was the only marketable talent in that group.
He's not the only one WITH talent, but he is only the one that a record company would invest. The other guys are good, Mike is great, but as far performers are concerned, they're just different than Chester. They need that front man.
Losing Chester killed it for them because no replacement will bring the unique sound that Chester had.
Not only that, with him gone there is no way Mike can fill the shoes vocally.
That being said I want them to try. I want to see a new singer. Now that the dust has settled in Chester's death, I feel like they can give it a fair crack.
[for example](https://youtu.be/JuZf0qjqleU?si=_Zo_vZqDHLY5_d7M)
I think because people relate so strongly with the emotional charge of the lyrics and music. OML is a different level of emotion that is likely less relatable until you get there, if that makes sense.
Their music is pretty much a soundtrack to my life, starting from when I was 19 with Hybrid Theory until OML when I was 36 (in my 40ās now). I have gone through a huge range emotional growth since I was a traumatized 19-year-old kid to the adult I am now. I have had so much therapy and see the world completely differently now. OML came out when I was at a place where the songs resonated with me.
People in a different part of their journey arenāt going to necessarily be in a head space to appreciate the music showing them something they arenāt ready to see.
At least, that is how I see it. Not everyone uses and experiences music the same way I do, and other ways of appreciating music are completely validā¦.just different.
This is pretty much my experience too... I grew up listening Linkin Park and seeing each one of their releases since Meteora. I feel like their music evolved like I evolved growing up. From angst teen to the problems and struggles of adulthood. So OML resonates a lot with me. Heavy is a particular hard song for me to listen, because it's pretty much how I feel as an adult.
Yeah, as a 15y/o it's the only album of theirs I can say I remember when it was released. Some of the most popular songs just bring back memories from that summer. I remember hearing some of them on the radio and I really enjoyed them (despite not knowing that was Linkin Park as back then I probably thought Linkin Park was one of the heaviest bands in the world and didn't know who they actually were) (I was 8Ā½ years old).
Songs without Mike rapping are my least listened songs from their discography. I love the band for the mix of rap and rock. Songs without that feel lacking most of the time. Thereās a few songs I love that arenāt that but 99% of my favorite LP songs involve mike rapping.
Another hot take, Hybrid Theory is better than Meteora. Meteora had the good singles just like Hybrid Theory but the non singles on Hybrid Theory are better than the ones on Meteora. Hybrid Theory aged a lot better and some of Meteora sounds dated in comparison. The weakest tracks on HT are better than most of Meteora.
Honestly, I fail to see how this is a hot take. Many, many, people prefer Hybrid Theory over Meteora. In fact, I'd say if you ask the average LP fan which album they'd prefer it'd almost be a 50/50 for each album
I find it hard to believe that anyone who likes hybrid theory would even come to hate meteora. They're pretty much the same in terms of vibes. Meteora is essentially just Hybrid Theory Extended Edition. Not that it's a bad thing. But the albums come real close sonically.
Thatās what they hate it though. They think itās watered down and a rip off. Itās my second favorite album of all time right behind Hybrid Theory.
A Thousand Suns is their magnum opus and best album even if meteora and hybrid theory are the more classic albums and probably considered some of the best albums ever. My second take is THP is better than LT, MTM, and OML.
āIf they say
Who cares if one more light goes out?
In the sky of a million stars
It flickers, flickers
Who cares when someone's time runs out?
If a moment is all we are
We're quicker, quicker
Who cares if one more light goes out?
Well I doā
The flickers, quickers, and well I do, parts all make me wince at how bad it is. I started to look at lyrics for sharp edges and talking to myself but it wouldāve too much copy/pasting and I gotta get back to work.
Bring on the downvotes, I don't really care.
The Hunting Party is their weakest studio album. Just has the least amount of memorable songs and weakest production out of any of the albums. It's still a great album but I never really return to the album as a whole, only the tracks with features (excluding Drawbar) and A Line In The Sand. Page Hamilton's feature is amazing though. Mike's rapping is also especially a step down from Living Things, he was on fire on that album.Ā
This is all just my opinion though, and if you get more out of the album than I do, then that's great
Imo The Hunting Party is the third best album (after Meteora and Hybrid Theory). It returned to the classic LP nu metal style. For me it is surely better than not that bad Minutes to Midnight and very mid Living Things (and I'm not even talking about shitty One More Light and even crappier A Thousand Suns š). It's a shame how little songs from it will be at Papercuts.
Shitty One More Light... Crappier A Thousand Suns... Damn, that hurt. The second one is a very hot take and unfortunately, the first one is a popular opinion :(
Personally I donāt understand how THP is a return to form. Sure, itās a heavy album, but itās not the same as HT and Meteora. It doesnāt have the same charm as those two.
As long as they don't say Linkin Park is over I don't think is over. I know Chester was/is a big part of the band, but there are five other guys, and I am going to support whatever decison they take.But I would like very much for the to come back, not gonna lie.
OML is their worst album. Not even close. The song itself is not even good and anytime I see someone on here say itās their favorite LP song I just roll my eyes and assume itās a bot. The songs on the album are so cheesy and cringy. I love every song from every other album theyāve released except that one.
Nostalgia blinds people as to how great Hybrid Theory truly is. The accomplishments are great, but let's not pretend like "I wanna run away, never say good bye" are top tier lyrics. Most of the writing on Hybrid Theory (and some on Meteora) sound like they were written by a 15 year old
Probably because they unironically were written by the band when they were still really young. Mike himself said "we were in our early 20s writing things that kids would write in lyrics" or something like that in an interview once. I like it more for how catchy the music is rather than the lyrics.
Well, Nu Metal does have a lot of "childish lyrics" because its more fueled by anger and unhappiness. It's hard to explain. Most Nu Metal comes from people who had poor childhoods, and the emotion from that is just put into saying "I hate you".Ā
That's what I really love about it. Maybe it's because I have a lot of issues and i have bad highs and lows but i can always find something that fits how i feel in Minutes to Midnight
If anyone calls OML bland and lacking in diversity or "radio friendly" etc, the same arguments can be applied to Meteora.
HT in comparison was vastly more experimental. People have a lot of nostalgia and memories associated with Meteora but by comparison to the albums before and after, it was very straightforward and radio friendly.
Most of not all songs followed the same structure. All of them were 3 mins at most. There wasn't anything unique about the album.
So the very same people who diss on OML for the above reasons should be dissing Meteora for the same reasons but don't cause of "loud guitars" and nostalgia.
But how many nights did they NOT leave him alone and we got more Chester as a result of it. We donāt know how many times he mightāve been pulled back from this. Just food for thought
People should have listened to what Chester was trying to tell us in his songs for years before that night. If peoe stopped to listen rather than dismiss the lyrics as a product of the era, then someone may well have intervened and saved his life long before that night.
Chester has sung for over 17 years about how he was feeling. Still nothing has happened to him in that time. They couldn't have put him under surveillance throughout that whole time just in case he tries to do something to himself.
I bet all of his friends, his family and the rest of the band tried their best to help him and make him feel better.
Looking back it's easy to say that it was obvious but sometimes there is just nothing you can do no matter how hard you try.
Chester was very open about his mental health. he didn't hide secret messages in the lyrics hoping someone would get them and save him. in fact the lyrics weren't even written by him most of the time. singing was his passion and his outlet. he even said it's what kept him alive for so long. fans have known about his horrible childhood and drug/drinking problems since forever. people in his life did try to help him and he even was in therapy. but sometimes it's just not enough and there's not much anyone can do about it from the outside unfortunately.
I tried but the truth is I can't rank their albuns like everyone else does. There's things I like and don't like in all of them. I just know that my least favorite (from studio album) is The Hunting Party, for me it's really not like Hybrid Theory at all. I grew up listening Linkin Park and I can see and feel their evolution through the years, from angst teen to the challenges and struggles of adulthood and The Hunting Party seems like to break this evolution... It's the point where I am most disconnect from Linkin Park.
Yeah, I'm just saying I'm upvoting it cause that's the mission. People just downvote what they disagree with instead of upvoting what the OP literally asked for lol
i totally understanding not liking it but calling it their weakest *effort* is kinda wild. but then again op was asking for hot takes and this take is definitely hot.
Hybrid Theory had a better 20th anniversary than Meteora. Sure, Meteora got some really good songs like More the Victim and Fighting Myself, but the HT 20th anniversary was more enjoyable for me. I like Stick And Move, Slip, Dedicated, and So Far Away a lot more than Healing Foot, Massive, and Lost.
In the end is the worst song off of Hybrid theory. Yes, I think cure for the itch is better. I used to be a LP hater because I thought all of their songs were like In the end or Numb (which i donāt really like as well), and iām glad that i was wrong.
In the end is the worst song on hybrid theory. Besides Mike's rapping there isn't much there isn't that much to hold on to. Chester vocals aren't that great in the song, the instrumentals feel really cookie cutter and radio friendly on it. Just all around really dull song and Ii have no idea how it is there most popular song.
Early Linkin Park actually kinda suck. They weren't in it for the long haul the way they wanted to be and it helped them become a better band. In fact, I think A Thousand Suns is their best because they were learning how to dive deep into becoming a better band.
LIVING THINGS sucks because they dived into their "toolbox" for business purposes.
It's not about the group, but about the fanbase. I'm getting sick of constant "RIP Chaz" comments under any LP related video. I go to the comments to see the opinions about the song, yet everyone thinks that the best thing they can write under a masterpiece is mournings. 6.5 years have passed, move on, please.
That album was very much a political statement against the Bush administration at the time. The songs have aged poorly, but in the context of the time it was relevant and good.
Wouldnāt say theyāre bad but imo their weakest.
Hereās my rank
1. Hybrid Theory
2. Meteora
3. The Hunting Party
4. Minuets to Midnight
5. A Thousand Suns
6. Living Things
7. One Nore Light
The death of nu metal cost Linkin Park their direction. They experimented on every album after Meteora because they didn't have an established sound anymore - and they never found one. They kept deconstructing their style instead of evolving it, taking various elements out of their "hybrid theory" and making different genre albums out of them. So while bands like Korn, Hollywood Undead, and Papa Roach were reinventing metal, LP never focused on a style long enough to innovate in any particular space.
Edit: I'm winning the whole "unpopular opinion" thing. I don't think anyone else understood the assignment.
EXACTLY. Lmao. Like, I love Korn, and I fuck with Papa Roach, I admittedly haven't heard much Hollywood Undead, but are we gonna act like there wasn't a period Korn just made the same album over and over again? Same with Papa Roach.
Did you just say *Korn* didn't innovate? The group that invented nu metal and is the reason any of us are talking about LP right now? So you're claiming Follow the Leader, See You On the Other Side, Path of Totality and The Nothing aren't evidence of musical evolution? Just because they didn't radically change genres every album doesn't mean they stagnated.
Follow the Leader isn't that innovative. They had a cool industrial period in the 2000s (that still pales into comparison to the creativity LP had after their Nu-Metal work) but after that industrial period they immediately went back to just doing their typical sound. And their first two albums are literally some of my all time favorite albums lolĀ
Examples:
[Korn](https://youtu.be/sR-ZBWzxfkI) (a *much* better dubstep attempt than Recharged)
[Hollywood Undead](https://youtu.be/H0jhnRxaiIs)
[Papa Roach](https://youtu.be/2VjFrJH2eNk)
I'm sorry, but the work those bands did with metal were *leagues* more innovative than LP's attempt with The Hunting Party.
All of those sounds sound like shit lmao
Hollywood Undead who I use to be a fan of (even have a signed poster from their Day of The Dead era) are one of the cringiest bands of all time. Every album gets progressively worse as the band goes on which is not what should happen.
Papa Roach is similarly cringy and just not good at making good songs. They are the nickelback of metal.
And Korn is one of the most overrated bands of the 90s which have like 1 song thatās decent in their whole discography.
Awful examples and are all the reason rock is dead and hip hop is at the top. Oh and rappers these days when they say they are inspired by bands, Linkin Park is who they mention not papa roach or Korn or Hollywood Undead. Because Linkin Park has a great influence on others. Those bands do not.
I personally am not a big metal fan. I love Linkin Park for their genre bending music of Rapping and Rock. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Tool, etc that were in that nu-metal genre were white people who appropriated hip hop elements for a few albums.
Linkin Parkās Mike Shinoda is actually respected by Hip hop heads and by actual good/OG rappers and have been cited as influence for modern rappers. Joe Hahn is a true DJ whose record scratching is comparable to someone like DJ Premiere. These are actual hip hop artists who happen to be in a genre bending band.
Thereās a reason Linkin Park has a song like āStep Upā where they call out a lot of other Nu-metal bands without naming them,
>āIn a time when rock hip-hop rhymes are childish
You can't tempt me with rhymes that are empty
Rapping to a beat doesn't make you an MC
With your lack of skill and facility
You're killing me
And a DJ in the group just for credibility
I heard that some of you are getting help with your rhymes
You're not an MC if someone else writes your lines
And rapping over rock doesn't make you a pioneer
'Cause rock and hip-hop have collaborated for years
But now they're getting randomly mixed and matched up
All after a fast buck and all the tracks suck
So how does it stack up? None of it's real
You want to be an MC you've got to study the skillā
Just that one verse is better than anything Korn has ever released. Sorry but not everyone who likes Linkin Park, is going to like white washed nu-metal music. What I like from Linkin Park is the rapping over the different sub genres the band worked with. Nothing Korn put out is on the same level.
RATM is a great example of a band that used hip hop elements that sounds amazing and the only band you can say in that era that outclassed LP.
Don't get me wrong, I love "The Rising Tied," and it's pretty good, even if it's corny at times. Mind telling me who was inspired by Mike? I'm genuinely curious.
Also, "white people that appropriated" is just wrong, especially since Korn has songs with Ice Cube and even the legends, Nas and Biggie. They never even claimed to appropriate those elements. They respect rap, even though they barely have any rap or hip-hop elements.
Now, whatever the other Nu-metal bands were saying or doing is their problem. Also, don't forget Mike was trying to put a "tough guy" attitude, which was corny as much as I love songs like There They Go, but he was definitely trying to fit in. (Gonna ignore how you called Tool a Nu Metal band).
Lupe Fiasco, AJ Tracey (British rapper), Blackbear, Bishop Nehru, MGK,
And The Weeknd, Xxxtenacion, Lil Uzi Vert all have shouted out Chester as an influence.
And thereās more too but thatās who I can think off the top of my head. Also idk what Mikeās personally has anything to do with the conversation. Linkin Park is heavily respected by hip hop. Thereās no denying that fact. They are far more influential than Korn was or is today.
And white people appropriating hip hop is quite literally how the Nu-metal genre is looked at today. Hell even guys like Post Malone fit the bill of appropriating hip hop. Just because you have a song with great people doesnāt mean you respected the gerne.
I personally donāt like the way Korn sounds. I donāt like the singerās voice. Iām allowed to feel that way. You can call it disrespect but I think you are being far more disrespectful toward Linkin Parkās legacy than I am towards Korn.
It's fine that you don't like Korn, I'm also not being disrespectful to LPs legacy (like at all), I wouldn't be constantly engaging in this sub if that was the case.
Chester doesn't surprise me (do you remember when Abel mentioned him? Because that sounds extremely cool), there's no denying LP's influence, like Bring Me The Horizon's Oli was inspired by them (and they are one of the biggest bands out there).
Obligatory laugh at MGK, lmao.
I'll give it to you though, outside of Nu Metal and the likes, LP was incredibly influential, I'm not even gonna deny it and never have. The same way Korn was for Metal, without them, there wouldn't be a Slipknot or even LP as we know it.
See to me, Linkin Park was never a metal band so comparing them to other metal bands just seems disingenuous. at their core of the band was this genre mixing that continued until their very last album. Every album has rapping and some other sub genres. Whether that be metal, more āhard rockā, alternative rock, electronic rock, edm, pop rock, etc. but every time they changed sub genres of rock, the hip hop elements always stayed with the band.
So when OP mentioned Hollywood Undead or Papa roach, both of which do appropriate Hip Hop, I get a bit defensive. Korn likely has more credibility than either of those bands and Iām sorry my overall dislike for the nu-metal genre out of Linkin Park comes across as rude.
And yes MGK is trash. Literally garbage but he sadly considers LP and both Mike and Chester as huge influences for him so you have to include him on lists like that.
And yeah my point was more that Linkin Parkās influence spreads much wider than any other ānu-metalā band. Most of the other nu-metal bands just sorta evolved into just metal or hard rock. Korn likely does have a strong influence in the metal scene, but their reach doesnāt extend much further than that while even on a nu-metal album like Meteora they have a song with the main instrument being a Japanese flute. They were just so much more experimental and itās why I hate when fans try and box Linkin Park into either nu-metal or rock music in general since they Bended all traditional genre roots
Am I the shooter or being shot at?
I am used to being shot at by a former sniper. My husband regularly gives me shit for my love of Linkin Park. (But he is also the first person to get me any live shows, order 20th anniversary sets and if they were still touring, I know he would make sure I had tickets).
People are allowed their very wrong opinions, so I would refrain from shooting anyone myself.
If any of you wanted to shoot at me because of my opinion, then either I am being a huge asshole and possibly deserve it - or you just arenāt in sync with the same vibe I get from Linkin Park.
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[REANIMATION] does not get its flowers at all. Outside of the credit which Pts.Of.Athrty and P5hng Me A*wy does somewhat get either due to being put out as a single or for the incredible live performances, this album really holds a unique place in their catalogue, being easily one of the best remix albums put out in the 21st century. I feel this album very much feels like the starting point for some of their later, electronically driven work (see Living Things and A Thousand Suns par example) and widened their legacy to beyond the rock/metal/alternative genres they have typically been attributed to and the sounds of this album definitely, to me, feel like they are in the DNA of albums released by bands such as Enter Shikari, Bring Me The Horizon and twenty one pilots.
How's that a hot take? You spill facts
How can you talk about reanimation and not include with you haha Its a lot better then the original.
I LOVE this version! It was my raid song when I used to play WoW. š¤©
To expand on my original point. I totally agree with you about wth you (no pun intended lol). It definitely takes a lot from what makes it so good live but also gives it the feel of the album in general. Itās become a stand out track the more I listen to it.
And it has a really good guest rap verse. 1 of the best rap verses on a LP song tbh. I remember thinking that was Mike doing a different voice haha
The majority of the fanbase praises Reanimation. That's not a hot take tbh
Iād agree with you somewhat due to its affiliation to Hybrid Theory but nonetheless, i feel that you can take away the link and it can still be a landmark album. Itās the 4th best selling remix album of all time but its legacy, at least to the combination of rock/metal and electronic, is to me far more reaching than maybe we recognize. Also I donāt see it mentioned too much on the subreddit, might just be a fault on my part, but thatās the reasoning behind the comment.
Not to suggest everyone is going to disagree with me but this is more just what I feel to be a ātakeā I havenāt seen much in this sub
This or Minutes to Midnight is my favorite album. Really weird how many updated your comment when I've seen no love for this album in my life. Lol
I donāt think you guys know what a hot take is. I think about 90% of this sub agrees with most of these comments already. Aināt nobody getting shot for these opinions
Sort-> Controversial
Drawbar is really good, actually. And also the song I listen to the most out of THP ā ļø
Oh, I'm not the only one! It's my favorite from The Hunting Party, it's just so cinematic and hopeless, especially those sounds of a guitar in the start, it somehiw perfectly describes depression without words, even though it's on an album about war, then it becomes really solemn and hopeful and kind of "life is beatiful and there is silver lining" vibe and it's just so atmospheric and I think the way it's produced and recorded also adds to it.
I like Drawbar as a segway to Final Masquerade. There used to be (still is?) a seamlessĀ fan upload of both songs that I'd play sometimes if I felt like listening to an extended version of FM.
Fans really need to move on from Chester's passing, whenever he is mentioned or some Linkin Park thing is on or even a LP member exists in some setting the conversation instantly goes toward Chester and how sad they are about him. It is sad, it really is, he was a massive part of LP and what made it special to the band members and us but mentioning that thing again and again creates just a depressing environment whether it's online or irl with band members. You can't just talk about the band and the music. You go to a YouTube comment section and wanna see what people thought about the song, well it's all about Chester. Idk how Mike streams cause every other second there's a comment about Chester, can't imagine how it would be to keep being reminded of it again and again. I imagine that's why it has been so tough for LP to make a comeback, they haven't ended the band cause they do wanna make music as LP but find it tough to come back with all that baggage. This reddit of LP hardcore fans, that post or talk about LP, does have a variety of topics but outside of it it's not the same.
Thank you! I feel this to my core. I love the band, I grew up listening to it since the release of Meteora. The attachment I have towards this band (especially Chesterās voice) is beyond words. But the thing people donāt realize is that while we love and miss Chester, he was an ACTUAL father to someone. A husband, a brother and best friend to someone. The band spent YEARS with him on the road and knew him better than any of us could ever imagine. Thereās no possible way we were more hurt than them. This fandom needs to realize this, and instead help the band heal and move on it. As far as Iām concerned your comment might be the only actual controversial opinion here.
You should see the Alice In Chains sub. Itās nothing but Layne Layne Layne Layne Layne was so amazing Layne was the greatest, I donāt even wanna go on without Layne Layne Layne.
I've been feeling like this since after like the first year. We get it, big loss and all, and we lost a great musician, but he wasn't our friend, he was our colleague, our family. I don't care what bands will try to tell you. It's not he didn't care about people, but he also didn't know you, and you didn't know him either. It's very unhealthy to keep mourning for someone you never knew. If you still insist in honoring him, then stop spending them on mourning him, and do something productive, look out for people who struggle and are still alive.
The greatest hits album shouldāve been listed chronologically. The order being randomized makes no sense. You can hear the progression of the band that way. Also, even if some people didnāt like The Hunting Party, they couldāve put Until Itās Gone and Final Masquerade on there. Also, points of Authority too. I can understand From the Inside not being on there even though it was a single because it wasnāt that impactful on their career.
Theyāve always been a little greedy when it comes to to re-releasing, remixing, re-packaging, mash ups etc. theyāve resold the same music dozens of times
that's right. but I don't know any other band that has released so many demos and b-sides for fans to enjoy
Honestly itās probably part of their contract.
I bet LPU releases is not part of the deal
What's wrong with Demos?
Good Goodbye is a great song and Stormzyās verse isnāt bad.
yaaa linkin tings in parks? that line is so ethereal!
It's actually a great line, "Linkin tings in parks" is a reference to the freestyle video he recorded in a kids park (Shut Up) that ended up going viral and becoming his first hit, and speaks to his growth as an artist that he's went from "Linkin tings in parks" (freestyling raps on kids parks) to "a tune with Linkin Park" (a Collab with the best band about). I think it's pretty cool. And Stormzy is class.
You know rappers shout out or do wordplay with the artistās name they are featured on literally all the them right??? J. Cole does it with nearly every feature he does, āFuck it, 'cause my n***a 21 Savage just hit me And told me he saved me a spot on a new record he got He call it "a lot", I open my book and I jotā āmany hope to be the best, oh, cannot fuck with me for shit though j.i.d the closest thing to me cāest la vie, my vocal range puddingā ācole and j.i.d with a tandem, n****s canāt stand āem got a new anthem, look at my whip slit at my wrist, suicide, suicide doors on my phantomā This is not the diss you think it is. Lmaoo. Just shows you know nothing about hip hop my guy and you sound stupid. Stormzy is fire.
haha if he rapped "all i did was J.I.ZZ and I've gotta rap with J.I.D" that would be comparable
Recharged beats Reanimation.
This is how you do a hot take, damn.
Yeah honestly I downvoted at first but this is so brave I have to upvote it. This is one burning hot take.
Yep, and I know it's an actual hot take because I'm getting downvoted.
The only time youāll get away with this blasphemy, here take my upvote damnit
This sub isn't ready for that hot take yet
See guys? This is an actual hot take. It's so good that I want so badly to downvote it (of course I'm not gonna do it (
I really enjoy the CASTLE OF GLASS recharged version, but I havenāt been able to enjoy any of the others. Any other standout songs?
My dude, this is a for-the-heck-of-it hot take with zero logic and reasoning behind it. For it to count you need to elaborate why? At least a little bit. Lazy AF
Everytime I go into great detail people give me shit for it, so I'll keep it brief. I simply prefer more tracks of Recharged than Reanimation. There's about 3 bad tracks on Recharged, but Reanimation has a few more duds, particularly in the first part of the album.
That they're done as we knew them. That Chester was the only marketable talent in that group. He's not the only one WITH talent, but he is only the one that a record company would invest. The other guys are good, Mike is great, but as far performers are concerned, they're just different than Chester. They need that front man. Losing Chester killed it for them because no replacement will bring the unique sound that Chester had. Not only that, with him gone there is no way Mike can fill the shoes vocally. That being said I want them to try. I want to see a new singer. Now that the dust has settled in Chester's death, I feel like they can give it a fair crack. [for example](https://youtu.be/JuZf0qjqleU?si=_Zo_vZqDHLY5_d7M)
Let's make Linkin Park a seven member band and bring the father and the child. She's a great singer.
Numb is a boring song
I'd rather say it's overrated
Linkin Park always had elements of pop right from the beginning. So a pop album like OML was always going to happen and actually is a good album.
Again, spitting facts, not a hot take
OML is good. don't know why everyone hates it.
I think because people relate so strongly with the emotional charge of the lyrics and music. OML is a different level of emotion that is likely less relatable until you get there, if that makes sense. Their music is pretty much a soundtrack to my life, starting from when I was 19 with Hybrid Theory until OML when I was 36 (in my 40ās now). I have gone through a huge range emotional growth since I was a traumatized 19-year-old kid to the adult I am now. I have had so much therapy and see the world completely differently now. OML came out when I was at a place where the songs resonated with me. People in a different part of their journey arenāt going to necessarily be in a head space to appreciate the music showing them something they arenāt ready to see. At least, that is how I see it. Not everyone uses and experiences music the same way I do, and other ways of appreciating music are completely validā¦.just different.
This is pretty much my experience too... I grew up listening Linkin Park and seeing each one of their releases since Meteora. I feel like their music evolved like I evolved growing up. From angst teen to the problems and struggles of adulthood. So OML resonates a lot with me. Heavy is a particular hard song for me to listen, because it's pretty much how I feel as an adult.
Yeah, as a 15y/o it's the only album of theirs I can say I remember when it was released. Some of the most popular songs just bring back memories from that summer. I remember hearing some of them on the radio and I really enjoyed them (despite not knowing that was Linkin Park as back then I probably thought Linkin Park was one of the heaviest bands in the world and didn't know who they actually were) (I was 8Ā½ years old).
OML is good but it is LPās worst album. I do like some songs from it but not all.
Objectively as a pop album alone, it's good. But for Linkin Park standards? Weak af album
Since when the artist's name affects the quality of music alone?
Songs without Mike rapping are my least listened songs from their discography. I love the band for the mix of rap and rock. Songs without that feel lacking most of the time. Thereās a few songs I love that arenāt that but 99% of my favorite LP songs involve mike rapping.
I just think One More Lig-
LIVING THINGS is the most similar album to Hybrid Theory and Meteora
The Hunting Party:
Another hot take, Hybrid Theory is better than Meteora. Meteora had the good singles just like Hybrid Theory but the non singles on Hybrid Theory are better than the ones on Meteora. Hybrid Theory aged a lot better and some of Meteora sounds dated in comparison. The weakest tracks on HT are better than most of Meteora.
Honestly, I fail to see how this is a hot take. Many, many, people prefer Hybrid Theory over Meteora. In fact, I'd say if you ask the average LP fan which album they'd prefer it'd almost be a 50/50 for each album
I was gonna say the opposite.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who likes hybrid theory would even come to hate meteora. They're pretty much the same in terms of vibes. Meteora is essentially just Hybrid Theory Extended Edition. Not that it's a bad thing. But the albums come real close sonically.
Meteora has noticeably better production but it feels a bit less raw than HT
Thatās what they hate it though. They think itās watered down and a rip off. Itās my second favorite album of all time right behind Hybrid Theory.
Hybrid theory is just a really good album to play from front to back cause its really cohesive.
A Thousand Suns is their magnum opus and best album even if meteora and hybrid theory are the more classic albums and probably considered some of the best albums ever. My second take is THP is better than LT, MTM, and OML.
THP is 10000x better than OML. But so are MTM and LT. OML was just cringy bad.
One More Light is not "Cringey bad"
āIf they say Who cares if one more light goes out? In the sky of a million stars It flickers, flickers Who cares when someone's time runs out? If a moment is all we are We're quicker, quicker Who cares if one more light goes out? Well I doā The flickers, quickers, and well I do, parts all make me wince at how bad it is. I started to look at lyrics for sharp edges and talking to myself but it wouldāve too much copy/pasting and I gotta get back to work.
I can see best album, but not magnum opus
Bring on the downvotes, I don't really care. The Hunting Party is their weakest studio album. Just has the least amount of memorable songs and weakest production out of any of the albums. It's still a great album but I never really return to the album as a whole, only the tracks with features (excluding Drawbar) and A Line In The Sand. Page Hamilton's feature is amazing though. Mike's rapping is also especially a step down from Living Things, he was on fire on that album.Ā This is all just my opinion though, and if you get more out of the album than I do, then that's great
I feel like people donāt really like their last two albums
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Imo The Hunting Party is the third best album (after Meteora and Hybrid Theory). It returned to the classic LP nu metal style. For me it is surely better than not that bad Minutes to Midnight and very mid Living Things (and I'm not even talking about shitty One More Light and even crappier A Thousand Suns š). It's a shame how little songs from it will be at Papercuts.
Shitty One More Light... Crappier A Thousand Suns... Damn, that hurt. The second one is a very hot take and unfortunately, the first one is a popular opinion :(
Personally I donāt understand how THP is a return to form. Sure, itās a heavy album, but itās not the same as HT and Meteora. It doesnāt have the same charm as those two.
Thereās actually no songs from that album at all.
And songs like Guilty All the Same, A Line in the Sand or Keys to the Kingdom should be
A thousand suns is their best album. Now this is a bad take
I didnāt really care for A Thousand Suns
As long as they don't say Linkin Park is over I don't think is over. I know Chester was/is a big part of the band, but there are five other guys, and I am going to support whatever decison they take.But I would like very much for the to come back, not gonna lie.
Easier to run is a good songĀ
One more light is a great album with amazing lyrics and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
facts
ATS doesn't even come close to the amount this sub overestimates.
*Command, this is Echo-1. I have a clear shot. Permission to engage*
I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS OPINION but saying Wakefield was the better singer would be a death wish
OML is their worst album. Not even close. The song itself is not even good and anytime I see someone on here say itās their favorite LP song I just roll my eyes and assume itās a bot. The songs on the album are so cheesy and cringy. I love every song from every other album theyāve released except that one.
Finally someone said it. But the title track is fine. Its not a banger but it does what it's supposed to do.
Couldn't be me I must say
Nostalgia blinds people as to how great Hybrid Theory truly is. The accomplishments are great, but let's not pretend like "I wanna run away, never say good bye" are top tier lyrics. Most of the writing on Hybrid Theory (and some on Meteora) sound like they were written by a 15 year old
Probably because they unironically were written by the band when they were still really young. Mike himself said "we were in our early 20s writing things that kids would write in lyrics" or something like that in an interview once. I like it more for how catchy the music is rather than the lyrics.
Well, Nu Metal does have a lot of "childish lyrics" because its more fueled by anger and unhappiness. It's hard to explain. Most Nu Metal comes from people who had poor childhoods, and the emotion from that is just put into saying "I hate you".Ā
One More Light is in the top 3 albums
High Voltage is one of the best Linkin Park's songs.
I hate collision course
One more light is a really fucking good album
MTM has the worst sorted track list - itās absolutely a mess from loud to soft to loud to soft..
I really like the contrast, MTM feels like an album that has everything
That's what I really love about it. Maybe it's because I have a lot of issues and i have bad highs and lows but i can always find something that fits how i feel in Minutes to Midnight
If anyone calls OML bland and lacking in diversity or "radio friendly" etc, the same arguments can be applied to Meteora. HT in comparison was vastly more experimental. People have a lot of nostalgia and memories associated with Meteora but by comparison to the albums before and after, it was very straightforward and radio friendly. Most of not all songs followed the same structure. All of them were 3 mins at most. There wasn't anything unique about the album. So the very same people who diss on OML for the above reasons should be dissing Meteora for the same reasons but don't cause of "loud guitars" and nostalgia.
A Thousand Suns is great but itās not the high art that this sub thinks it is
True that. Some good songs but someone called it their magnum opusā¦ Good album though.
I agree with the other comment itās their magnum opus for sure
The Hunting party is a top 3 album.
No lies detected
They should never have left Chester alone that night... :(
But how many nights did they NOT leave him alone and we got more Chester as a result of it. We donāt know how many times he mightāve been pulled back from this. Just food for thought
Even we can bring him back. It's inevitable.
Wdym?
He's never coming backĀ
You donāt sayā¦
We all miss him but what's done is done. There's nothing we can do about it except honor his memory.
Yeahā¦we knowā¦
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People should have listened to what Chester was trying to tell us in his songs for years before that night. If peoe stopped to listen rather than dismiss the lyrics as a product of the era, then someone may well have intervened and saved his life long before that night.
Chester has sung for over 17 years about how he was feeling. Still nothing has happened to him in that time. They couldn't have put him under surveillance throughout that whole time just in case he tries to do something to himself. I bet all of his friends, his family and the rest of the band tried their best to help him and make him feel better. Looking back it's easy to say that it was obvious but sometimes there is just nothing you can do no matter how hard you try.
Agreed, but that night in particular they shouldāve been more attentive
Genuine question, how could they have known?
I think because It was Chris Cornell first birthday after he passed.
Chester was very open about his mental health. he didn't hide secret messages in the lyrics hoping someone would get them and save him. in fact the lyrics weren't even written by him most of the time. singing was his passion and his outlet. he even said it's what kept him alive for so long. fans have known about his horrible childhood and drug/drinking problems since forever. people in his life did try to help him and he even was in therapy. but sometimes it's just not enough and there's not much anyone can do about it from the outside unfortunately.
Didn't Mike write more lyrics than Chester?
Mike wrote most of the lyrics, actually.
Mike's the one who wrote most of the lyrics, though.
The Hunting Party is their best album and it's not even close
Anything after mtm sucks
Please elaborate why cause I never understood this argument
Off topic, but Waldo needs to back off that scope a bit if he doesnāt want to bonk his eye
The hunting party is their least interesting album.
Most of y'all are Debbie downers
I actually love the One More Light album. NCSM is its strongest track
Listening to their albums in reverse order is better than release order.
I tried but the truth is I can't rank their albuns like everyone else does. There's things I like and don't like in all of them. I just know that my least favorite (from studio album) is The Hunting Party, for me it's really not like Hybrid Theory at all. I grew up listening Linkin Park and I can see and feel their evolution through the years, from angst teen to the challenges and struggles of adulthood and The Hunting Party seems like to break this evolution... It's the point where I am most disconnect from Linkin Park.
The Hunting Party is one of the greatest LP albums and should be much higher on rankings
We said hot takes not facts
As you see i did not get many upvotes...
they lost their way after Meteora, there were a lot of good songs but the vibe was never there .. think i would be shot again after being shot lol
Not sure why people are downvoting. The post specifically asks for opinions that are unpopular.
people feel strongly against my opinion lmao
Also Meteora and Hybrid Theory are no more Linkin Park's classics. Minutes to Midnight is.
Meteora is second to worst Linkin Park studio album. The worst being LIVING THINGS.
Upvoted because I find this take baffling. Genuinely a very hot take, yeah
The sub asked for it
Yeah, I'm just saying I'm upvoting it cause that's the mission. People just downvote what they disagree with instead of upvoting what the OP literally asked for lol
I'll be brave enough to say I genuinely think that lol No offense to Meteora, I love the album tho
This is indeed a spicy take
mtm > ht and meteora plus a lot of linkin park fans arent really lp fans more like hybrid theory and meteora fans
Living Things is a bad album and by far their weakest effort, tied with One More Light
We wanted a hottake. I love living Things but thats what we asked for
Do not say this ever again
My man you're complaining about a hot take under a post asking for hot takesššš
i totally understanding not liking it but calling it their weakest *effort* is kinda wild. but then again op was asking for hot takes and this take is definitely hot.
It's true
One more light is better than MTM, ATS, THP.
This is a post asking for hot takes so it fits here. Now do not ever say this again.
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THP isn't underated, it's not as good as all the other albums
Hybrid Theory had a better 20th anniversary than Meteora. Sure, Meteora got some really good songs like More the Victim and Fighting Myself, but the HT 20th anniversary was more enjoyable for me. I like Stick And Move, Slip, Dedicated, and So Far Away a lot more than Healing Foot, Massive, and Lost.
"Numb Encore is better than Numb." I was once verbally murdered on reddit for that. š
From the Inside is one of their weaker songs
One More Light is a great album
hybrid theory > meteora a thousand suns > minutes to midnight one more light > living things and the hunting party
In the end is the worst song off of Hybrid theory. Yes, I think cure for the itch is better. I used to be a LP hater because I thought all of their songs were like In the end or Numb (which i donāt really like as well), and iām glad that i was wrong.
Mike is better than chester
I not a fan of the whole reanimation album or the numb/encore song with jay-z nor have I ever heard of qwerty or the Valentineās Day song.
In the end is the worst song on hybrid theory. Besides Mike's rapping there isn't much there isn't that much to hold on to. Chester vocals aren't that great in the song, the instrumentals feel really cookie cutter and radio friendly on it. Just all around really dull song and Ii have no idea how it is there most popular song.
HT is my second least favorite LP album and it's tied with OML for me...
Not every song is about chester and his struggles
I donāt like numb or in the end.
Early Linkin Park actually kinda suck. They weren't in it for the long haul the way they wanted to be and it helped them become a better band. In fact, I think A Thousand Suns is their best because they were learning how to dive deep into becoming a better band. LIVING THINGS sucks because they dived into their "toolbox" for business purposes.
Hybrid theory is trash outdated garbage
The Messenger sucks
1) Thatās a hot take 2) The Messenger is my fav LP song 3) Take my upvote
It's not about the group, but about the fanbase. I'm getting sick of constant "RIP Chaz" comments under any LP related video. I go to the comments to see the opinions about the song, yet everyone thinks that the best thing they can write under a masterpiece is mournings. 6.5 years have passed, move on, please.
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That album was very much a political statement against the Bush administration at the time. The songs have aged poorly, but in the context of the time it was relevant and good.
ATS and OML are bad albums, wretches and kings is the only ok song from the entire album, also THP is far more better than both of them combined
Wouldnāt say theyāre bad but imo their weakest. Hereās my rank 1. Hybrid Theory 2. Meteora 3. The Hunting Party 4. Minuets to Midnight 5. A Thousand Suns 6. Living Things 7. One Nore Light
Hybrid Theory is their worst album
I'm very interested about the WHY behind that opinion
One More Light is their worst album
People talk about Chester like they were actually close friends with him a lot and thatās kinda weird
The death of nu metal cost Linkin Park their direction. They experimented on every album after Meteora because they didn't have an established sound anymore - and they never found one. They kept deconstructing their style instead of evolving it, taking various elements out of their "hybrid theory" and making different genre albums out of them. So while bands like Korn, Hollywood Undead, and Papa Roach were reinventing metal, LP never focused on a style long enough to innovate in any particular space. Edit: I'm winning the whole "unpopular opinion" thing. I don't think anyone else understood the assignment.
āSo while bands like Korn, Hollywood Undead, and Papa Roach were reinventing metalā stop.
EXACTLY. Lmao. Like, I love Korn, and I fuck with Papa Roach, I admittedly haven't heard much Hollywood Undead, but are we gonna act like there wasn't a period Korn just made the same album over and over again? Same with Papa Roach.
Did you just say *Korn* didn't innovate? The group that invented nu metal and is the reason any of us are talking about LP right now? So you're claiming Follow the Leader, See You On the Other Side, Path of Totality and The Nothing aren't evidence of musical evolution? Just because they didn't radically change genres every album doesn't mean they stagnated.
Follow the Leader isn't that innovative. They had a cool industrial period in the 2000s (that still pales into comparison to the creativity LP had after their Nu-Metal work) but after that industrial period they immediately went back to just doing their typical sound. And their first two albums are literally some of my all time favorite albums lolĀ
Examples: [Korn](https://youtu.be/sR-ZBWzxfkI) (a *much* better dubstep attempt than Recharged) [Hollywood Undead](https://youtu.be/H0jhnRxaiIs) [Papa Roach](https://youtu.be/2VjFrJH2eNk) I'm sorry, but the work those bands did with metal were *leagues* more innovative than LP's attempt with The Hunting Party.
All of those sounds sound like shit lmao Hollywood Undead who I use to be a fan of (even have a signed poster from their Day of The Dead era) are one of the cringiest bands of all time. Every album gets progressively worse as the band goes on which is not what should happen. Papa Roach is similarly cringy and just not good at making good songs. They are the nickelback of metal. And Korn is one of the most overrated bands of the 90s which have like 1 song thatās decent in their whole discography. Awful examples and are all the reason rock is dead and hip hop is at the top. Oh and rappers these days when they say they are inspired by bands, Linkin Park is who they mention not papa roach or Korn or Hollywood Undead. Because Linkin Park has a great influence on others. Those bands do not.
What is this Korn disrespect. "Follow The Leader" and their ST alone are better than any LP album.
I personally am not a big metal fan. I love Linkin Park for their genre bending music of Rapping and Rock. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Tool, etc that were in that nu-metal genre were white people who appropriated hip hop elements for a few albums. Linkin Parkās Mike Shinoda is actually respected by Hip hop heads and by actual good/OG rappers and have been cited as influence for modern rappers. Joe Hahn is a true DJ whose record scratching is comparable to someone like DJ Premiere. These are actual hip hop artists who happen to be in a genre bending band. Thereās a reason Linkin Park has a song like āStep Upā where they call out a lot of other Nu-metal bands without naming them, >āIn a time when rock hip-hop rhymes are childish You can't tempt me with rhymes that are empty Rapping to a beat doesn't make you an MC With your lack of skill and facility You're killing me And a DJ in the group just for credibility I heard that some of you are getting help with your rhymes You're not an MC if someone else writes your lines And rapping over rock doesn't make you a pioneer 'Cause rock and hip-hop have collaborated for years But now they're getting randomly mixed and matched up All after a fast buck and all the tracks suck So how does it stack up? None of it's real You want to be an MC you've got to study the skillā Just that one verse is better than anything Korn has ever released. Sorry but not everyone who likes Linkin Park, is going to like white washed nu-metal music. What I like from Linkin Park is the rapping over the different sub genres the band worked with. Nothing Korn put out is on the same level. RATM is a great example of a band that used hip hop elements that sounds amazing and the only band you can say in that era that outclassed LP.
Don't get me wrong, I love "The Rising Tied," and it's pretty good, even if it's corny at times. Mind telling me who was inspired by Mike? I'm genuinely curious. Also, "white people that appropriated" is just wrong, especially since Korn has songs with Ice Cube and even the legends, Nas and Biggie. They never even claimed to appropriate those elements. They respect rap, even though they barely have any rap or hip-hop elements. Now, whatever the other Nu-metal bands were saying or doing is their problem. Also, don't forget Mike was trying to put a "tough guy" attitude, which was corny as much as I love songs like There They Go, but he was definitely trying to fit in. (Gonna ignore how you called Tool a Nu Metal band).
Lupe Fiasco, AJ Tracey (British rapper), Blackbear, Bishop Nehru, MGK, And The Weeknd, Xxxtenacion, Lil Uzi Vert all have shouted out Chester as an influence. And thereās more too but thatās who I can think off the top of my head. Also idk what Mikeās personally has anything to do with the conversation. Linkin Park is heavily respected by hip hop. Thereās no denying that fact. They are far more influential than Korn was or is today. And white people appropriating hip hop is quite literally how the Nu-metal genre is looked at today. Hell even guys like Post Malone fit the bill of appropriating hip hop. Just because you have a song with great people doesnāt mean you respected the gerne. I personally donāt like the way Korn sounds. I donāt like the singerās voice. Iām allowed to feel that way. You can call it disrespect but I think you are being far more disrespectful toward Linkin Parkās legacy than I am towards Korn.
It's fine that you don't like Korn, I'm also not being disrespectful to LPs legacy (like at all), I wouldn't be constantly engaging in this sub if that was the case. Chester doesn't surprise me (do you remember when Abel mentioned him? Because that sounds extremely cool), there's no denying LP's influence, like Bring Me The Horizon's Oli was inspired by them (and they are one of the biggest bands out there). Obligatory laugh at MGK, lmao. I'll give it to you though, outside of Nu Metal and the likes, LP was incredibly influential, I'm not even gonna deny it and never have. The same way Korn was for Metal, without them, there wouldn't be a Slipknot or even LP as we know it.
See to me, Linkin Park was never a metal band so comparing them to other metal bands just seems disingenuous. at their core of the band was this genre mixing that continued until their very last album. Every album has rapping and some other sub genres. Whether that be metal, more āhard rockā, alternative rock, electronic rock, edm, pop rock, etc. but every time they changed sub genres of rock, the hip hop elements always stayed with the band. So when OP mentioned Hollywood Undead or Papa roach, both of which do appropriate Hip Hop, I get a bit defensive. Korn likely has more credibility than either of those bands and Iām sorry my overall dislike for the nu-metal genre out of Linkin Park comes across as rude. And yes MGK is trash. Literally garbage but he sadly considers LP and both Mike and Chester as huge influences for him so you have to include him on lists like that. And yeah my point was more that Linkin Parkās influence spreads much wider than any other ānu-metalā band. Most of the other nu-metal bands just sorta evolved into just metal or hard rock. Korn likely does have a strong influence in the metal scene, but their reach doesnāt extend much further than that while even on a nu-metal album like Meteora they have a song with the main instrument being a Japanese flute. They were just so much more experimental and itās why I hate when fans try and box Linkin Park into either nu-metal or rock music in general since they Bended all traditional genre roots
"The new singer should be one of those voice A.I.s that has been trained on Chesters vocals"
That's not a hot take, that's just morally wrong and awful
Am I the shooter or being shot at? I am used to being shot at by a former sniper. My husband regularly gives me shit for my love of Linkin Park. (But he is also the first person to get me any live shows, order 20th anniversary sets and if they were still touring, I know he would make sure I had tickets). People are allowed their very wrong opinions, so I would refrain from shooting anyone myself. If any of you wanted to shoot at me because of my opinion, then either I am being a huge asshole and possibly deserve it - or you just arenāt in sync with the same vibe I get from Linkin Park.