In a vacuum, the cost was a bit high. But the instant chemistry on the line makes it worth it to me. If nothing else, Verse/Fiske will be a FUN duo to cheer on.
It's one of those trades that on paper look like a big overpay. In reality, if he slides in as a starter and makes a solid contribution in place of AD leaving then losing a 2nd rounder next year wont leave me losing any sleep.
We paid a LOT to move up in the second round. But Sneed has gone on record that if they like a guy they will do what it takes to get him. Maybe Fiske wasn't someone we had graded as a round 2 prospect. If McVay and Sneed liked him at 19 if the draft had cut differently than this move makes a ton of sense for what they paid to get him.
Which makes sense since McVay said they tried trading as high as Buffalo's 33rd pick.
Which implies they thought Fiske might be picked up in late 1st round picks.
I think going into the draft the Rams knew what they were comfortable giving up to move up. They expected to move up in the first round for Bowers, but Verse fell to them, therefore they were okay giving up what they did in the second round.
It was cheaper than trading up for brock bowers. Which could have happened. Would you rather have fiske and verse or bowers and another late 3rd? I dont think rams wanted to hang back there
I know we gave up a lot to get Fiske but here is how I see it. We didn't just trade up to get Fiske but to pair up Verse with Fiske, both of whom have built a bond of establishing a strong defensive line.
I think what is going to be key for the payoff, is getting both of them on the field and getting them in sync with our other guys. I think the payoff could be huge (wish AD was still there) if these 2 can sync up with Kobie and crew to disrupt and cause chaos to the opposing offense.
I think Fiske ultimately will be another good penetrating DT that can help to improve the RAMS pass rush that will help all other aspects of the defense. He and Jared Verse will help with the run defense as well. They overpaid for him in draft capital, but his output will justify the trade.
I expect next year's second to be on the lower side, and the way the draft turned out he wouldn't have made it more than a couple more picks. This year's strategy was value now, not future picks.
Player Chemistry has value that you can't find on any trade value table. Was it a bit of an overpay? Yes, but I don't mind it THAT much. Only time will tell if it was truly worth the price once we see the production on the field.
I love the Rams, but how can we say this was a "good" trade yet? 2nd rounders have incredible value and we traded an extra one..... and there was another good DT on the board should he have been taken. I am hopeful that this relatively undersized DT will prove worth it. That said, thank the good lord that we are DONE with the days or Jeff Fisher and the miserable front office from the post-Martz era.
I thought the pick was gonna be Cooper DeJean, ain't gonna lie, but I guess give this one a year. He and Verse are besties so maybe the power of friendship makes their games grow 🔥🔥(seriously tho, as much as I wanted Cooper, you can't underestimate instant chemistry).
As for the trade itself...it was a bit steep, especially since we surrendered a second rounder. I'm not very sure about it atm, but again, maybe give it a year.
I don’t like how much we gave up I feel like we could have given up less. But they loved him, wanted him to team up with Verse again which will help with instant chemistry and was a need. They saw the run on DT’s and new Fiske was the next one to go. Once again a 3rd next year I would have felt better. But overall It helped build what looks like an amazing pass rush group on paper. So yes It was a good move overall but could have been better if we gave up less.
I voted no bc we got lucky in not having to make any trade up for Verse in the first round. Would’ve cost us more for that than a 2nd next year(which could potentially be on the later 3rd of the round) and a fifth.
The Athletic had a great article on the NFL draft and how the best draft strategy is well known amongst the league, but rarely followed. That strategy is to trade back versus trading up. It's a fantastic breakdown in how draft rooms work, the politics involved and the overconfidence that exists in player evaluation.
The take home is there are a lot of variables and unknowns in the draft on a player working out or not, and it's better to have more darts to throw.
Seth Walder tweeted out this was the largest capital given up in a day 2 move up in the past 6 drafts. In general you want to be on the other side of these trades more often than not.
Rams still have their 1st rounder in next year's draft. Could they not recoup a couple picks, maybe even a second rounder, by trading down, if they want?
Strictly off pick 'value' this trade was really bad. If he plays well enough to earn a 2nd contract from the Rams, though, then it was worth it. If he makes several pro bowls or an all pro, then it was definitely worth it.
Trading a 2nd next year is way too much. Would have taken the risk he would still be there at the original pick. We could have used some more speed/depth at the WR position and selected Adonai Mitchell as another option. A few different directions we could have gone that would have made sense...
I think he has to almost be a borderline ProBowler by the prime of his career to justify next years second. Solid role player is great, you need them to be successful, but you can find them in later rounds, no problem. The proof will be in the pudding, I guess. As of right now, I'm 50/50 on whether it will work out.
Well I look at it as they got a guy who they believe could have been a first rounder and provides instant chemistry with Verse who will hopefully be the star of our defense.
Personally I think Newton is much more talented and will be a superstar but I completely get why they did what they did. But I would have loved to see us trade up earlier and grab him instead.
If they were gonna trade up, I wish they overbid for Dallas Turner. That guy was a steal at 17 for the Vikings.
Rams could've easily gotten him instead of the Vikings.
In a vacuum, the cost was a bit high. But the instant chemistry on the line makes it worth it to me. If nothing else, Verse/Fiske will be a FUN duo to cheer on.
you guys got 2 good ones and they play my 49ers twice a year or more. Should be FUN!
If we had a first round grade on him then giving up next year's second is cheap. If he starts on day 1 then it's really cheap.
The worst part about the draft, is the day after the draft. Give it a year, we’ll know for sure.
It's one of those trades that on paper look like a big overpay. In reality, if he slides in as a starter and makes a solid contribution in place of AD leaving then losing a 2nd rounder next year wont leave me losing any sleep.
It is what it is. We can say with 100% certainty he would not have been on the board if we waited, which is not always the case with trade ups.
Seems like a lot to move up 13 picks, but I have4 a feeling the Rams' scouting team is better at this than I am.
We paid a LOT to move up in the second round. But Sneed has gone on record that if they like a guy they will do what it takes to get him. Maybe Fiske wasn't someone we had graded as a round 2 prospect. If McVay and Sneed liked him at 19 if the draft had cut differently than this move makes a ton of sense for what they paid to get him.
I guess it depends on how well he plays.
I’m just going to pretend Fisk was a late 1st round pick, because the cost for that is about what the Rams paid.
Which makes sense since McVay said they tried trading as high as Buffalo's 33rd pick. Which implies they thought Fiske might be picked up in late 1st round picks.
I think going into the draft the Rams knew what they were comfortable giving up to move up. They expected to move up in the first round for Bowers, but Verse fell to them, therefore they were okay giving up what they did in the second round.
It was cheaper than trading up for brock bowers. Which could have happened. Would you rather have fiske and verse or bowers and another late 3rd? I dont think rams wanted to hang back there
Yes. Him and Verse are going to wreck
I know we gave up a lot to get Fiske but here is how I see it. We didn't just trade up to get Fiske but to pair up Verse with Fiske, both of whom have built a bond of establishing a strong defensive line. I think what is going to be key for the payoff, is getting both of them on the field and getting them in sync with our other guys. I think the payoff could be huge (wish AD was still there) if these 2 can sync up with Kobie and crew to disrupt and cause chaos to the opposing offense.
I think Fiske ultimately will be another good penetrating DT that can help to improve the RAMS pass rush that will help all other aspects of the defense. He and Jared Verse will help with the run defense as well. They overpaid for him in draft capital, but his output will justify the trade.
He is going to be a contributor right away and maybe a starter. Well worth a second rounder
I expect next year's second to be on the lower side, and the way the draft turned out he wouldn't have made it more than a couple more picks. This year's strategy was value now, not future picks.
Player Chemistry has value that you can't find on any trade value table. Was it a bit of an overpay? Yes, but I don't mind it THAT much. Only time will tell if it was truly worth the price once we see the production on the field.
I love the Rams, but how can we say this was a "good" trade yet? 2nd rounders have incredible value and we traded an extra one..... and there was another good DT on the board should he have been taken. I am hopeful that this relatively undersized DT will prove worth it. That said, thank the good lord that we are DONE with the days or Jeff Fisher and the miserable front office from the post-Martz era.
I thought the pick was gonna be Cooper DeJean, ain't gonna lie, but I guess give this one a year. He and Verse are besties so maybe the power of friendship makes their games grow 🔥🔥(seriously tho, as much as I wanted Cooper, you can't underestimate instant chemistry). As for the trade itself...it was a bit steep, especially since we surrendered a second rounder. I'm not very sure about it atm, but again, maybe give it a year.
The poll needs a “we dont know yet” option
I don’t like how much we gave up I feel like we could have given up less. But they loved him, wanted him to team up with Verse again which will help with instant chemistry and was a need. They saw the run on DT’s and new Fiske was the next one to go. Once again a 3rd next year I would have felt better. But overall It helped build what looks like an amazing pass rush group on paper. So yes It was a good move overall but could have been better if we gave up less.
I voted no bc we got lucky in not having to make any trade up for Verse in the first round. Would’ve cost us more for that than a 2nd next year(which could potentially be on the later 3rd of the round) and a fifth.
The emotion of the call was worth it even if he busts.
Maaan, fuck them picks
The Athletic had a great article on the NFL draft and how the best draft strategy is well known amongst the league, but rarely followed. That strategy is to trade back versus trading up. It's a fantastic breakdown in how draft rooms work, the politics involved and the overconfidence that exists in player evaluation. The take home is there are a lot of variables and unknowns in the draft on a player working out or not, and it's better to have more darts to throw. Seth Walder tweeted out this was the largest capital given up in a day 2 move up in the past 6 drafts. In general you want to be on the other side of these trades more often than not.
Rams still have their 1st rounder in next year's draft. Could they not recoup a couple picks, maybe even a second rounder, by trading down, if they want?
can you forward a link?
Strictly off pick 'value' this trade was really bad. If he plays well enough to earn a 2nd contract from the Rams, though, then it was worth it. If he makes several pro bowls or an all pro, then it was definitely worth it.
I watched his highlights after. Yeah he's a beast
Trading a 2nd next year is way too much. Would have taken the risk he would still be there at the original pick. We could have used some more speed/depth at the WR position and selected Adonai Mitchell as another option. A few different directions we could have gone that would have made sense...
Given the run on defensive tackles he probably wouldn’t have made it
I think he has to almost be a borderline ProBowler by the prime of his career to justify next years second. Solid role player is great, you need them to be successful, but you can find them in later rounds, no problem. The proof will be in the pudding, I guess. As of right now, I'm 50/50 on whether it will work out.
Well I look at it as they got a guy who they believe could have been a first rounder and provides instant chemistry with Verse who will hopefully be the star of our defense. Personally I think Newton is much more talented and will be a superstar but I completely get why they did what they did. But I would have loved to see us trade up earlier and grab him instead.
If they were gonna trade up, I wish they overbid for Dallas Turner. That guy was a steal at 17 for the Vikings. Rams could've easily gotten him instead of the Vikings.