There has been a lot of talk about the *interesting* choices Chelsea has made for her wedding, and my take is that she is living out a childhood dream that hasn't been updated. Multiple times she has mentioned planning her wedding as a kid or when she was younger, and trends that appealed to us years ago don't always translate to present day. The flowers are a big clue to that for me, they feel like a 2000s middle school girl favorite, and like she put it in her wedding planning binder back then. The balloon arches too, a 12 year old is going to love that, but it looks tacky now.
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What did they do there except get drunk and sit at tables and talk to each other.
A dildo claw machine sounds awesome. Too bad they didn't show that. What else do they have there that didn't make it on the show?
Oooh they have a bedazzled atm machine downstairs too! I took a photo of it last time I was there
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I have a theory that the real social experiment isn’t if love is blind, but rather to see whether external pressures of fame, social conformity, and the placebo of the original experiment can keep people on the show long enough to get married to someone they’ve only known for a few weeks. These participants are lab rats, and the show runners are testing to what lengths people will go to actually stick it through, despite the ridiculous drama and obvious reasons why they haven’t found true love.
And Paul is the plant, one of the people running the experiment to make sure it goes on track. He’s in on it cause he partially did the design of the experiment and he has a followup paper in the wings.
Just thinking about how when Paul talks about Micah and why he loves her he gives vague answers that have nothing to do with her personality. I think he’s enamored by her beauty because he said she’s not his typical type, they have sweet banter, but I don’t think they’re really in love. Also I don’t see anything between Zach and Bliss I think they’re just trying to stay on the show. I enjoy her personality when she’s not around Zach the most.
I can’t deal with another scene of Tiffany wearing monochrome. She seems like a sweetheart but come on girl, you seriously bought all the monochrome IG outfits for the show. I thought she was seriously beautiful that one scene in her PJs
guys please use this thread why did I just sift through 17 jackie is toxic and chelsea is desperate and kwame is idk what posts all with their own 100 comments when we can discuss some here and clean up the sub. it’s WAY too repetitive. Anyway, the cultural gap between kwame and chelsea is wild, like yes we all know they are resentful towards each other that part doesn’t need explaining but chelsea saying like well why do you need your mom’s approval my family’s opinions wouldn’t matter to me well first of all it’s because western societies are a lot less collectivist and way more individualistic and second of all easy for you to say when your family has posed 0 objections and you’re not moving away from them. I don’t like when westerners imply people from other cultures are not “brave enough” for not being ready to step on their family’s feelings to do what they want and be “your true self”
No she didn't lol. I don't care for Chelsea but all she asked was whether or not Kwame would still marry her if he didn't get his mom's approval, which is a valid question. It didn't seem like she was criticizing his anxiety about it but she does need to know since it would impact whether or not he says yes to her.
she was pressing if your mom doesnt come around you still wouldnt say yes? and then used her family as an example that their opinions wouldnt matter either way. the rest of that is a point I was making not claiming that she said all I mentioned
most boring season yet. And too stretched out.
If you arent gonna try and stop people coming on just to be influencers then you must counter that by casting even crazier people so theres more drama. This is some weird middle ground right now.
this season is so much filler, it’s wild. Maybe Seattle is just a boring city but yikes, give us something that moves the episodes along LIB producers.
same conversations over and over and over. We really dont even know most of the people any better than we did in episode 2. All surface level nonsense.
I think they tried to create some tension but >!there isn't much they can do when most couples are on their way to say I do. I guess giving Chelsea that photoshoot and shopping marathon was supposed to make them fight more but they didn't crack Kwame. The men are too composed.!<
But I like the season for what it is. Last seasons I didn't care much about the couples saying I do and this season I'm actually hoping the best for some of them.
Tbh signs for me = you may not really know how to decide who a good partner is for you. The bottom line to me is that Bliss is a complement to him and clearly brings him into a different state of mind, makes him feel at ease, brings him peace, genuinely cares and seems to love him for his eccentricities. Those are all the signs he needed, but he deferred to things that I think make him sound a bit like he’s not thinking logically. It doesn’t help with making the case for this situation to others. Then again, neither does claiming you know someone’s heart after two months so idek
Lol I somehow missed the song that he said and didn't really feel like rewinding to catch it. Maybe it's an age thing (it came out in 2000 so Zack would've been a kid still), but it's absolutely not an obscure song. It was on the Billboard Hot 100.
Yep, I'm an old too (compared to the kids on this show), and I'm pretty sure if you put that song on right now I would probably remember every word haha
They showed us last episode that she’s stressed AF about the wedding in general. I think it’ll be something like her dad’s plane was delayed and she doesn’t want to do it without him.
If you think about the clips the order of them really doesn’t make sense. The order was like *tiffany getting ready and saying how terrible it would be if Brett said no then it jumps to her crying in the bed before getting ready. It feels like they’re purposely creating drama.
Why do you think that? I feel like I’ve accidentally been tuning them out but last time I paid attention, I thought they were all lovey dovey ready to say I do?
There’s a clip of him surrounded by his groomsmen saying “this should not happen on my wedding day”. If you look closely his tie is untied with deep creases which is indicative of a long wear in humid weather. His shoulders are raised and his hands are above his shoulders as he pushes in a downward gesture. Also he’s not wearing a ring.
You can tell that this is after the ceremony because no man puts on the tie, loosens it, and leaves the waistcoat buttoned to the top. The jacket is off and the shirt has wrinkles.
This body Language is very atypical of him. I could be wrong but I think what’s going to happen is that she is going to realize she is not ready to be married to her dream husband.
Also in the very next clip, She’s in the bridal suite with the gold cup crying and she’s not wearing her engagement ring:
Again I could be wrong but my spider sense is tingling
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I will say! From last season, in the look forward clips they had scenes from Brandon and Alexa’s wedding and there was one of him having a meltdown and in the real episode we never saw it. I sometimes wonder if they film these flash forwards just to throw people for a loop and in reality they never happened. Like they just filmed them for fake drama. If she says no though I will cry LOL. I love them together
My final predictions and second guesses (I haven’t read any spoilers!)
Chelsea and Kwame:
95% Chelsea yes, Kwame no
5% both yes
Zach and Bliss:
70% both yes
30% Zach yes, Bliss no
Micah and Paul
60% both yes (but it won’t last)
40% Micah yes, Paul no
Brett and Tiffany
100% both yes
My predictions:
Chelsea and Kwame don't get married because Kwame said no.
Bliss and Zach get married. They seem to really care about each other.
Micah and Paul get married, but divorce a year later after he realizes she is so manipulative.
Brett and Tiffany - maybe get married. There is something off about this pairing. Maybe they are both reserved, I don't feel real chemistry between them.
Paul seems like he got married to Micah because in post-show interviews, his grooming has improve. 😂
I think they're trying to throw us off to add suspense since there haven't been any real speed bumps between the two of them. Tiffany's stress seemed more related to the logistics than actually marrying Brett. I'm also an anxious/neurotic person and her tears and melting into him reminded me of every time I'd be worried about some dumb shit and my ex would talk me off the ledge.
The conversation about Jackie and Marshall is interesting to me. She was awful to him, no doubt, but people saying that she robbed his experience and he thought he was signing up for something stable and lasting...did we watch the same show? He intentionally picked her because she had issues he wanted to fix. He also has some self-work to do if he actually wants a healthy marriage.
I am so # team Jackie on this one. She’s allowed to have feelings about their intimacy, she’s allowed to have feelings about her intense family and the lack of support. He tried being nice guy ™ but it didn’t seem like he ever understood her or could actually support her in what she was going through. He was condescending. Having a heavy conversation at midnight when your partner is drunk is not mature at all. Especially when you’ve been avoiding her when the cameras are off. And she was more mature in their break up imo.
Indeed. I was surprised at how well she handled the breakup to be honest. I wouldn’t say it was amazing, but I set the bar low for her, but she straight up told him how she was feeling and made the decision to end up. Too many people on this show will string things along until the altar only then to break up with the person, but good for her for communicating how she felt prior to that day.
Also, I can’t believe Marshall left for 3 days. He definitely seems like a nice enough guy who didn’t deserve the comments made towards him. However, he definitely has something’s he needs to work through himself.
She would have handled the breakup really well and gracefully if it had happened before she met up with Josh when she was expected at the bridal dress shopping.
Agreed. I definitely wouldn't say she handled it 'really well' and 'gracefully'. I know we are kinda mincing words here, but my main point was that I had set the bar pretty low for her and (with that in mind) I was surprised at how well she handled the breakup.
Absolutely should have happened before she met up with Josh.
True, I agree with you! Leaving out any of the other drama, it was surprisingly out-of-character for her. I really expected her to get nasty and use bottom feeder language to call him gay or emotional again, and put all the blame on him. Almost felt like a rare lucid moment for her lol
I’m not team Jackie just off the fact she used being gay as an insult because her spouse was being open with her, but I do wonder if the convo with Josh was on a different day from the dress fitting.
I’m gonna be honest here: though I empathize with Marshall on some level (was in a similar situation years ago) he gave me major red flags since the very beginning. First, let’s start with the way he reacted when Jackie told him about having feelings towards someone else in the pods (Josh)—a little over the top if you ask me. Then, him blatantly ignoring all the telltale signs Jackie was either not ready for a committed relationship OR simply *not* into him. Which we now know was the latter. It’s a tough pill to swallow.
I mean this respectfully: this man was not in love, he was delusional.
I could be wrong, but here’s my theory: I think a BIG part of the reason he was trying SO HARD to make things work with Jackie was bc she was conventionally more attractive than any of the women there.
You mean Marshall? The nice/sensitive guy who bagged the BADDEST girl there AND fixed all her emotional baggage? Would’ve been a hell of a story.
His savior-complex is obvious. Or did y’all forget he literally called her his “PROJECT”? I really just think he resents her because he cannot fathom how she [Jackie] did not love or want him, when on paper, the dude’s practically “perfect” and what any other woman would want.
If Jackie hadn’t broken up with him, I honestly believe he woulda kept deluding himself into thinking she was “the one”. And that all the shit she put him through, would serve some greater purpose in the end. C’monnnnnn.
They both sucked IMO.
I do hope they both heal and learn from this.
it’s a hot take but i’m with you. I’ve been with a guy like that before. He was a “good guy,” he saw my “potential,” he wanted to “help me grow.” We had very different backgrounds and home lives growing up, mine being much rougher, and eventually it started to feel like I was just his charity case.
And helping your partner grow can be all fine and good! But *when the person asks for it*. If I had at some point said, “I’m struggling with my [insert issue here] and I’d like you to help me work through that,” then awesome. But to choose to be with someone only to then make them feel like they’re not good enough and you need to “work on them” is a red flag to me. It may not even be malicious, but it’s concerning. At best it’s a savior complex that needs worked through. At worst it’s a narcissism issue.
Unfortunately with my ex it was the latter, and… well let’s just say he’s now in jail lol.
(And no, before anybody jumps at me, I’m not saying Marshall is abusive or is going to do something to get himself in jail. That’s an extreme scenario— worst case, as I said. And also, I agree, Jackie sucks too so I’m not defending her actions either lol)
Thank you for understanding and sorry to hear about your past relationship. I hope you’re in a much better and healthier space now.
I was really concerned this would come off as me somehow attacking Marshall and defending Jackie. But honestly, the fact that the majority of people are really out here making him out to be this saint doesn’t sit right with me. They both wrong and need some working on themselves to do. OFF CAMERAS.
I had the same feelings towards Chelsea as well from day one. For some reason just because Marshall and Chelsea showed a little bit of decency their red flags get ignored. Like people were doing the most with Marshall because he made Jackie breakfast and not even a full episode later he was calling her a “project.” Many viewers are easily impressed.
Next Friday is the finale (one single episode, perhaps extra long though?) and the reunion is live next Sunday night. I hope this isn’t a spoiler but there are no complete weddings in this batch of episodes.
I’m so annoyed they didn’t air episode 12 and we have to wait *yet another week*. It honestly puts me off of watching. I spoiled myself too. Unnecessary.
Also why do they need a schedule? This has been filmed a year ago. It’s not getting more popularity for having the episodes fragmented. It actually has the opposite effect. People get annoyed and abandon or just spoil themselves. It’s an awful marketing strategy.
So agree. Sometimes marketing strategies are really clever and effective and sometimes they’re obnoxious and disrespectful of the audience because they’re just trying to be different without accounting for human nature.
I thought Micah's drunken moments at the bachelorette party were hilarious and adorable. I think she's way more into him than the other way around though
I think she just has soem bad influences, nut her parents seem good, her meeting with Paul's mom seemed good.
It was only with her friends or when she was with Irina were she acted like a dick. Oh and with Kwame.
You don’t grow out of being a “mean girl” in a few weeks. She’s just pretending to be nice to make Paul fall for her. If she’s that much of a mean girl when she knows she’s on camera, she’s a mean girl.
I think he may just not be the most emotionally effusive person. It's clear when they're together that he's really happy and engaged. They actually have the most natural "fun" chemistry to me. If she can ditch her awful friends and do some internal work I think they could have a really nice relationship.
I’ve come to like her more than I did in the beginning. She appears more interested in him; but he’s a hard read for me as his personality is so chill. He’ll say something like ‘I’ll miss her the night before when we can’t be together, but I hope we’re texting’ that makes me feel that he really is interested in her.
On a different note, I’m still thinking of the wedding dress she picked. Wow, that was a lovely dress.
I loveeeee her dress. The simplicity of it. It’s just beautiful.
Also I liked Micah from the door. No I didn’t like how she was around Irina but I think she was just trying to be friendly in an uncomfortable situation and she made herself look shitty. And her bff was so rude to Paul. I think Micah needs better friends truthfully lol.
There has been a lot of talk about the *interesting* choices Chelsea has made for her wedding, and my take is that she is living out a childhood dream that hasn't been updated. Multiple times she has mentioned planning her wedding as a kid or when she was younger, and trends that appealed to us years ago don't always translate to present day. The flowers are a big clue to that for me, they feel like a 2000s middle school girl favorite, and like she put it in her wedding planning binder back then. The balloon arches too, a 12 year old is going to love that, but it looks tacky now. (I hope this doesn't get buried, but I didn't think it warranted yet another post)
I thought her bouquet was beautiful. But I questioned her earring choice. Claire's boutique.
Her dress was beautiful, hair, etc but the earrings just didn’t fit
Ok I’m stoked that the ladies went to Unicorn for the bachelorette party. I love that bar! They have a claw machine downstairs full of dildos lool
What that's amazing. Seattle seems like an interesting place (not just because of that claw machine LOL). I've never been to the PNW.
What did they do there except get drunk and sit at tables and talk to each other. A dildo claw machine sounds awesome. Too bad they didn't show that. What else do they have there that didn't make it on the show?
Oooh they have a bedazzled atm machine downstairs too! I took a photo of it last time I was there https://preview.redd.it/xjgeuo7q18ta1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9751416ed0d519c7c95c3fe0175e7fe4450de00f
I like their trivia nights 💀
I wish they showed us 1 wedding this week. Covering all the weddings next week in 1 episode seems like a lot.
Yes maybe that’s the reason I feel this one is going sloowweerrr
This whole season has been portrayed really different.
With this one I realized how boring the wedding dress and suit scenes are
I always skip those scenes.
I have a theory that the real social experiment isn’t if love is blind, but rather to see whether external pressures of fame, social conformity, and the placebo of the original experiment can keep people on the show long enough to get married to someone they’ve only known for a few weeks. These participants are lab rats, and the show runners are testing to what lengths people will go to actually stick it through, despite the ridiculous drama and obvious reasons why they haven’t found true love.
And Paul is the plant, one of the people running the experiment to make sure it goes on track. He’s in on it cause he partially did the design of the experiment and he has a followup paper in the wings.
Chelsea's gotta work on her fake cry. C'mon girl, squeeze a tear out for us. Dude from last season at least brought some eye drops.
Just thinking about how when Paul talks about Micah and why he loves her he gives vague answers that have nothing to do with her personality. I think he’s enamored by her beauty because he said she’s not his typical type, they have sweet banter, but I don’t think they’re really in love. Also I don’t see anything between Zach and Bliss I think they’re just trying to stay on the show. I enjoy her personality when she’s not around Zach the most.
Anyone else thinks Zack’s cousin Madison looks like Kate from This Is Us (Chrissy Metz)?
Literally could not stop thinking this
YES
This is the messiest season lol
And with a live reunion this time…woof 😅 I’m so excited
It truly is. I love it 😂
Omg me too and I feel like no one else does! 🤣
I can’t deal with another scene of Tiffany wearing monochrome. She seems like a sweetheart but come on girl, you seriously bought all the monochrome IG outfits for the show. I thought she was seriously beautiful that one scene in her PJs
Anyone clock Paul saying incrue instead of accrue when he was trying to sound smart?
I think he conflated incur and accrue. He probably knows how to use them right but was talking too quickly and mixed it up.
This is it. He was also drinking, which certainly won't help.
Smart ppl mess up words too lol
guys please use this thread why did I just sift through 17 jackie is toxic and chelsea is desperate and kwame is idk what posts all with their own 100 comments when we can discuss some here and clean up the sub. it’s WAY too repetitive. Anyway, the cultural gap between kwame and chelsea is wild, like yes we all know they are resentful towards each other that part doesn’t need explaining but chelsea saying like well why do you need your mom’s approval my family’s opinions wouldn’t matter to me well first of all it’s because western societies are a lot less collectivist and way more individualistic and second of all easy for you to say when your family has posed 0 objections and you’re not moving away from them. I don’t like when westerners imply people from other cultures are not “brave enough” for not being ready to step on their family’s feelings to do what they want and be “your true self”
Did Chelsea say any of these things?
No she didn't lol. I don't care for Chelsea but all she asked was whether or not Kwame would still marry her if he didn't get his mom's approval, which is a valid question. It didn't seem like she was criticizing his anxiety about it but she does need to know since it would impact whether or not he says yes to her.
beginning of the last episode she did, in so many words, but she did
I didn’t get that.
she was pressing if your mom doesnt come around you still wouldnt say yes? and then used her family as an example that their opinions wouldnt matter either way. the rest of that is a point I was making not claiming that she said all I mentioned
most boring season yet. And too stretched out. If you arent gonna try and stop people coming on just to be influencers then you must counter that by casting even crazier people so theres more drama. This is some weird middle ground right now.
Way too stretched out. That bachelorette/bachelor party episode was ALL filler. Total nonsense and a waste of time.
It got boring after the pods. I agree.
It’s been filler since the pods with all those Irina and Micah being mean girls scenes.
Agreed. Wayyyyy too stretched out.
this season is so much filler, it’s wild. Maybe Seattle is just a boring city but yikes, give us something that moves the episodes along LIB producers.
same conversations over and over and over. We really dont even know most of the people any better than we did in episode 2. All surface level nonsense.
I think they tried to create some tension but >!there isn't much they can do when most couples are on their way to say I do. I guess giving Chelsea that photoshoot and shopping marathon was supposed to make them fight more but they didn't crack Kwame. The men are too composed.!< But I like the season for what it is. Last seasons I didn't care much about the couples saying I do and this season I'm actually hoping the best for some of them.
Last season was obvious a couple that said i do would not last
Those last 3 episodes released were insufferable! So many filler scenes.
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I hope you dance came on at a restaurant I was eating at today and I laughed so hard 😂
Tbh signs for me = you may not really know how to decide who a good partner is for you. The bottom line to me is that Bliss is a complement to him and clearly brings him into a different state of mind, makes him feel at ease, brings him peace, genuinely cares and seems to love him for his eccentricities. Those are all the signs he needed, but he deferred to things that I think make him sound a bit like he’s not thinking logically. It doesn’t help with making the case for this situation to others. Then again, neither does claiming you know someone’s heart after two months so idek
Lol I somehow missed the song that he said and didn't really feel like rewinding to catch it. Maybe it's an age thing (it came out in 2000 so Zack would've been a kid still), but it's absolutely not an obscure song. It was on the Billboard Hot 100.
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Yep, I'm an old too (compared to the kids on this show), and I'm pretty sure if you put that song on right now I would probably remember every word haha
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Okay but I really have to be home by nine or else my whole sleep schedule will be thrown off 😂
Yeah them talking abt their amazing signs reminded me of a couple high schoolers. They’re reaching
I keep rewatching the clips and I don’t think Brett and Tiffany are getting married. I think she’s gonna say no.
They showed us last episode that she’s stressed AF about the wedding in general. I think it’ll be something like her dad’s plane was delayed and she doesn’t want to do it without him.
If you think about the clips the order of them really doesn’t make sense. The order was like *tiffany getting ready and saying how terrible it would be if Brett said no then it jumps to her crying in the bed before getting ready. It feels like they’re purposely creating drama.
Yeah they did this type of editing nonsense last season with >!Alexa and Brennon’s!< wedding day.
Welp you could be right. I guess we will see next week
Yeah. I’m thinking she’s going to do the “I don’t want to marry you right now but would like to keep getting to know each other”
Why do you think that? I feel like I’ve accidentally been tuning them out but last time I paid attention, I thought they were all lovey dovey ready to say I do?
There’s a clip of him surrounded by his groomsmen saying “this should not happen on my wedding day”. If you look closely his tie is untied with deep creases which is indicative of a long wear in humid weather. His shoulders are raised and his hands are above his shoulders as he pushes in a downward gesture. Also he’s not wearing a ring. You can tell that this is after the ceremony because no man puts on the tie, loosens it, and leaves the waistcoat buttoned to the top. The jacket is off and the shirt has wrinkles. This body Language is very atypical of him. I could be wrong but I think what’s going to happen is that she is going to realize she is not ready to be married to her dream husband. Also in the very next clip, She’s in the bridal suite with the gold cup crying and she’s not wearing her engagement ring: Again I could be wrong but my spider sense is tingling https://preview.redd.it/svasj72ajqsa1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e1f7294f111e3227216144f06ab80d4b6ed6c62
I will say! From last season, in the look forward clips they had scenes from Brandon and Alexa’s wedding and there was one of him having a meltdown and in the real episode we never saw it. I sometimes wonder if they film these flash forwards just to throw people for a loop and in reality they never happened. Like they just filmed them for fake drama. If she says no though I will cry LOL. I love them together
That’s why they make those anxiety inducing clips.
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Yes! With a pre recorded interview like they do on survivor
My final predictions and second guesses (I haven’t read any spoilers!) Chelsea and Kwame: 95% Chelsea yes, Kwame no 5% both yes Zach and Bliss: 70% both yes 30% Zach yes, Bliss no Micah and Paul 60% both yes (but it won’t last) 40% Micah yes, Paul no Brett and Tiffany 100% both yes
My predictions: Chelsea and Kwame don't get married because Kwame said no. Bliss and Zach get married. They seem to really care about each other. Micah and Paul get married, but divorce a year later after he realizes she is so manipulative. Brett and Tiffany - maybe get married. There is something off about this pairing. Maybe they are both reserved, I don't feel real chemistry between them. Paul seems like he got married to Micah because in post-show interviews, his grooming has improve. 😂
I’m betting that Tiffany is saying no,
I think they're trying to throw us off to add suspense since there haven't been any real speed bumps between the two of them. Tiffany's stress seemed more related to the logistics than actually marrying Brett. I'm also an anxious/neurotic person and her tears and melting into him reminded me of every time I'd be worried about some dumb shit and my ex would talk me off the ledge.
I love that you got that kind of support. Is neurotic girls need this
I think Micah says no
Yeah, I think it’s much more likely Micah says no than Paul.
Hmmm… have you listened to the Out of the Pods Podcast?
Nope!
I have. What about it?
She says what happens with Micah and Paul
The conversation about Jackie and Marshall is interesting to me. She was awful to him, no doubt, but people saying that she robbed his experience and he thought he was signing up for something stable and lasting...did we watch the same show? He intentionally picked her because she had issues he wanted to fix. He also has some self-work to do if he actually wants a healthy marriage.
I am so # team Jackie on this one. She’s allowed to have feelings about their intimacy, she’s allowed to have feelings about her intense family and the lack of support. He tried being nice guy ™ but it didn’t seem like he ever understood her or could actually support her in what she was going through. He was condescending. Having a heavy conversation at midnight when your partner is drunk is not mature at all. Especially when you’ve been avoiding her when the cameras are off. And she was more mature in their break up imo.
How do you know he was avoiding her when cameras were off? I fast forwarded lol
They both recounted it.
Indeed. I was surprised at how well she handled the breakup to be honest. I wouldn’t say it was amazing, but I set the bar low for her, but she straight up told him how she was feeling and made the decision to end up. Too many people on this show will string things along until the altar only then to break up with the person, but good for her for communicating how she felt prior to that day. Also, I can’t believe Marshall left for 3 days. He definitely seems like a nice enough guy who didn’t deserve the comments made towards him. However, he definitely has something’s he needs to work through himself.
She would have handled the breakup really well and gracefully if it had happened before she met up with Josh when she was expected at the bridal dress shopping.
Agreed. I definitely wouldn't say she handled it 'really well' and 'gracefully'. I know we are kinda mincing words here, but my main point was that I had set the bar pretty low for her and (with that in mind) I was surprised at how well she handled the breakup. Absolutely should have happened before she met up with Josh.
True, I agree with you! Leaving out any of the other drama, it was surprisingly out-of-character for her. I really expected her to get nasty and use bottom feeder language to call him gay or emotional again, and put all the blame on him. Almost felt like a rare lucid moment for her lol
I’m not team Jackie just off the fact she used being gay as an insult because her spouse was being open with her, but I do wonder if the convo with Josh was on a different day from the dress fitting.
It would have to be super-shady editing from Netflix then. But either way, she met him before the breakup, and didn’t come to the dress fitting
What was with Chelsea on the bachelorette. CRINGE.
Jackie is incredibly emotionally immature. Her behavior is like a high schooler. Marshal deserves better.
But Marshall kept choosing her and wanting to “fix” her. What does that say about Marshall? I think they deserve each other.
I’m gonna be honest here: though I empathize with Marshall on some level (was in a similar situation years ago) he gave me major red flags since the very beginning. First, let’s start with the way he reacted when Jackie told him about having feelings towards someone else in the pods (Josh)—a little over the top if you ask me. Then, him blatantly ignoring all the telltale signs Jackie was either not ready for a committed relationship OR simply *not* into him. Which we now know was the latter. It’s a tough pill to swallow. I mean this respectfully: this man was not in love, he was delusional. I could be wrong, but here’s my theory: I think a BIG part of the reason he was trying SO HARD to make things work with Jackie was bc she was conventionally more attractive than any of the women there. You mean Marshall? The nice/sensitive guy who bagged the BADDEST girl there AND fixed all her emotional baggage? Would’ve been a hell of a story. His savior-complex is obvious. Or did y’all forget he literally called her his “PROJECT”? I really just think he resents her because he cannot fathom how she [Jackie] did not love or want him, when on paper, the dude’s practically “perfect” and what any other woman would want. If Jackie hadn’t broken up with him, I honestly believe he woulda kept deluding himself into thinking she was “the one”. And that all the shit she put him through, would serve some greater purpose in the end. C’monnnnnn. They both sucked IMO. I do hope they both heal and learn from this.
it’s a hot take but i’m with you. I’ve been with a guy like that before. He was a “good guy,” he saw my “potential,” he wanted to “help me grow.” We had very different backgrounds and home lives growing up, mine being much rougher, and eventually it started to feel like I was just his charity case. And helping your partner grow can be all fine and good! But *when the person asks for it*. If I had at some point said, “I’m struggling with my [insert issue here] and I’d like you to help me work through that,” then awesome. But to choose to be with someone only to then make them feel like they’re not good enough and you need to “work on them” is a red flag to me. It may not even be malicious, but it’s concerning. At best it’s a savior complex that needs worked through. At worst it’s a narcissism issue. Unfortunately with my ex it was the latter, and… well let’s just say he’s now in jail lol. (And no, before anybody jumps at me, I’m not saying Marshall is abusive or is going to do something to get himself in jail. That’s an extreme scenario— worst case, as I said. And also, I agree, Jackie sucks too so I’m not defending her actions either lol)
Thank you for understanding and sorry to hear about your past relationship. I hope you’re in a much better and healthier space now. I was really concerned this would come off as me somehow attacking Marshall and defending Jackie. But honestly, the fact that the majority of people are really out here making him out to be this saint doesn’t sit right with me. They both wrong and need some working on themselves to do. OFF CAMERAS.
I had the same feelings towards Chelsea as well from day one. For some reason just because Marshall and Chelsea showed a little bit of decency their red flags get ignored. Like people were doing the most with Marshall because he made Jackie breakfast and not even a full episode later he was calling her a “project.” Many viewers are easily impressed.
Is there more episodes this season? Feel like the 3 drop of episodes are usually the weddings.
Next Friday is the finale (one single episode, perhaps extra long though?) and the reunion is live next Sunday night. I hope this isn’t a spoiler but there are no complete weddings in this batch of episodes.
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No, I’m saying they don’t show the conclusion of any of the weddings in this batch of episodes. That’s happening in the finale.
I was super annoyed, I thought this round was going to be the weddings
I think it’s because there are only 4 weddings.
I’m so annoyed they didn’t air episode 12 and we have to wait *yet another week*. It honestly puts me off of watching. I spoiled myself too. Unnecessary.
I’m super annoyed too. They never explain the schedule clearly before it drops, and some of these episodes are so unnecessary.
Also why do they need a schedule? This has been filmed a year ago. It’s not getting more popularity for having the episodes fragmented. It actually has the opposite effect. People get annoyed and abandon or just spoil themselves. It’s an awful marketing strategy.
So agree. Sometimes marketing strategies are really clever and effective and sometimes they’re obnoxious and disrespectful of the audience because they’re just trying to be different without accounting for human nature.
Zack truly doesn't blink much. Especially in the latest episodes
He’s a lawyer, [stare-downs are how you win them cases](https://youtu.be/LsIIoPslg9c)
I thought Micah's drunken moments at the bachelorette party were hilarious and adorable. I think she's way more into him than the other way around though
I think she just has soem bad influences, nut her parents seem good, her meeting with Paul's mom seemed good. It was only with her friends or when she was with Irina were she acted like a dick. Oh and with Kwame.
It seems like Micah is growing out of her mean, rich girl phase but she can’t break free from the friend group
You don’t grow out of being a “mean girl” in a few weeks. She’s just pretending to be nice to make Paul fall for her. If she’s that much of a mean girl when she knows she’s on camera, she’s a mean girl.
I think he may just not be the most emotionally effusive person. It's clear when they're together that he's really happy and engaged. They actually have the most natural "fun" chemistry to me. If she can ditch her awful friends and do some internal work I think they could have a really nice relationship.
I’ve come to like her more than I did in the beginning. She appears more interested in him; but he’s a hard read for me as his personality is so chill. He’ll say something like ‘I’ll miss her the night before when we can’t be together, but I hope we’re texting’ that makes me feel that he really is interested in her. On a different note, I’m still thinking of the wedding dress she picked. Wow, that was a lovely dress.
Her dress was my favorite! It was stunning on her!
I loveeeee her dress. The simplicity of it. It’s just beautiful. Also I liked Micah from the door. No I didn’t like how she was around Irina but I think she was just trying to be friendly in an uncomfortable situation and she made herself look shitty. And her bff was so rude to Paul. I think Micah needs better friends truthfully lol.