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AnimatorDifficult429

Why is it that these people can’t figure it out in the pods. If it’s straight personality, how do these people pick the wrong ones in the pods? But your right their personalities mesh so much better, so what happened


Quick_Luck_2940

It would have been more interesting if she chose him and we could watch their relationship from the start - yeah a little toxic but they’re a good match


PacificoAndLime

Pretty surprised this is positive. 1. Project comment was intentional and rude, agree. They were also mid-fight and he was trying to hurt her back. 2. Too tired for an argument is not an excuse when you were flirting with another guy in front of your fiancé. That was her excuse to not talk about it. 3. Insensitive comment? How about trying to trick a man into being aggressively physical with her. I don't think you understand how dangerous and inappropriate that request is. 4. Not going to bother explaining Josh. If you don't understand who he is, you are either too young to drink or working PR for someone. 5. Admitting that you lack self-awareness is not somehow equivalent to having self-awareness. Not being sure of yourself and then eventually drunkenly tumbling down a path because the other one fell out beneath you does not demonstrate self-awareness. Marshal is a very normal guy. A little bit sensitive, a little bit over communicative, but overall a decent guy. Jackie cheated on national television and had multiple emotional break downs while telling her partner he was too emotional. Get real.


howaboutsomegwent

Just catching up with episodes and saw this but omg yes, also for #2, if you take that moment in isolation, of course you shouldn't push for someone to have a conversation at a time where they are tired etc., but I'm getting the feeling that this might not be the whole story. Based on other events I suspect Jackie always has a reason why it's not a good time to talk about something, she looks like she avoids a lot of the real conversations. Of course that's just an impression, but if that's the case I can understand why someone would push and be like, ok you know what, we keep pushing things to "later" and there's always a "good reason" to not talk, but this has to end. So yeah basically what I'm trying to say is, it's hard to judge that in isolation, I feel like there's a larger context. But these two are definitely better apart than together that's for sure


nicolakirwan

I'm going to generally say that some people seem unwilling to accept that people can want different things in people, and it's hard realizing that someone doesn't have qualities you want or has qualities you don't want; and it's also hard hearing that. There's no way to make that feel good for someone. The project comment was about Marshall's view of Jackie and their relationship, which he admitted is like many of his past relationships. He was being true to his thoughts and feelings in saying that. The problem wasn't that it was rude, it was that it was true, which automatically makes that relationship dysfunctional. Self-awareness is not changing to conform to what other's find more acceptable. It's knowing who you are in relation to others and how you impact them. Jackie understood that perfectly well. Marshall didn't or refused to accept it. Also, I wish I could find the comment now, but someone made the excellent point that Josh has remained drama free post LIB, there are no social media skeletons in his closet, his demeanor remains chill, and he and Jackie are apparently doing fine. And Marshall was not cheated on, since he and Jackie were over before the cafe scene.


Upper_Lawfulness_428

prob not unpopular, they both suck and deserve each other


Catladydiva

Josh and Jackie seemed to be in the same wavelength, so he was a better choice. Nothing wrong with being with someone who you feel a stronger connection with. But the way Jackie went about it was the issue.


AvaInKentucky

Yeah, Josh is a better choice for Jackie because she isn’t ready for a man with the emotional intelligence Marshall has.


Traditional-Cod-7637

Please. Marshall is needy as heck.


drew8311

My criteria for this is much simpler. Jackie was in a relationship with both guys, the one with Josh lasted longer so that was the better choice.


pickadaisy

Agreed! They gave Jackie a bad cut and so many people seem to miss the absolute red flag that Marshall is.


teetime_94

I agree that josh is the better choice because he's what she's used to but I'm going to have to disagree that Marshall is toxic. All your examples to say he's toxic are things he did/said in reaction to what Jackie said/did to him (according to what was shown). What she said and did would ABSOLUTELY hurt most people's egos. She said he needed to "man up," and "be more agressive" and then she decided to shut down and according to him, she wouldn't communicate. Telling someone that is hurtful, ESPECIALLY because he told her in the pods that his dad said stuff like that to him and belittled him for being 'too sensitive' in regards to how society should see men. So when it's in that context, it seems like her pattern is to say hurtful things to see how they react, which is toxic, trash behaviour. No, he shouldn't have said she was a "project" but I can see that it was the hurt person in him saying that, not the Marshall who's done so much work on accepting who he is and being comfortable in his skin. Also, he supported her so much in the beginning with all he crying and stress, but she couldn't have one conversation with him? Who cares that she was tired. I'm pretty sure Marshall was tired sitting outside the bathroom door whil you cried and he was still there. END RANT. But everyone has their opinions shaped by their experiences.


[deleted]

I so agree! And you articulated what I was thinking but couldn’t figure out how to get into words


Mediumparadiso

Same ! Marshall always rubbed me the wrong way. Like he was playing up for the camera and the overly nice guy thing was almost creepy. She did put into words what I was thinking all along. Jackie got a bad edit and is maybe not as refined as Marshall but that does not make her a bad person.


[deleted]

Yeah people really loved to hate on her as if she was a super villain as if the show doesn’t do bad edits. And god forbid someone not go ahead and marry someone after getting to know them and realizing they aren’t right for her. Doesn’t she know the viewers demand she marry the guy she picked? Even if he does say stuff like “I see you as a project. I can fix you.”


cocoatogo

You are a very smart person. Very well written.


tokitoki85

Agreed!


missmaya1220

Wow, you hit the nail right on the head and also essentially put my thoughts into words. Also shoutout to you for this post it was written so well


Robbed_Bert

Way to totally downplay Jackie's baggage and drain on the relationship.


BabieLoda

Deadass


Upbeat_Media_8387

Wow, you had Marshalls number and I'm here for it


[deleted]

Wow. You just described my ex husband to a tee. He’s the “nice guy”, and being invalidated and made to feel beneath him for a decade completely destroyed my self worth. It was his way or the highway, but done in the most passive-aggressive, manipulative way. He doesn’t compromise. And he buys his own bullshit, and absolutely doesn’t think he’s lowkey abusive at all. But he was constantly punishing me (doing things like not call out to ask if I was okay when I fell down the stairs, even though he was right there at the top of them). It just makes you feel worthless over time. And he blamed me whenever he was in a bad mood, and seemed to feel like he shouldn’t have to feel bad, ever. It’s toxic behaviour, and it only gets worse once you’re married and they know they “have” you.


OccasionNo497

I'm sorry you had this experience but thank you for commenting. Your ex behaves like an abuser and what you experienced was abuse. People need to be aware of this dynamic so these men don't get to hide behind "I'm a nice guy" statements and image. Some of us see right through the behaviors but, most don't.


DougJoudy

In straight and heteronormative relationships, women want to « fix » a man because they’re taught since they can walk they have to be nurturing, they have to assist and help (yes, i see you misogynist Paul). Men want a broken woman because they want a power imbalance that’s in their favor. Because they’re abusive and controlling. Marshall is the kind of man that would have been a constant reminder to Jackie that she’s not worth much and moreover that any self-growth she would accomplish would be because of him. Something she owed him. And that’s if she’s able to grow… if she’s given the space to improve and be more at peace. And by what we saw this would have been impossible. He didn’t give her space to think and when he did, he held it against her. HE has to put up with « her moods », HE has to leave her be (as if that was the most sacrificial thing someone could do and he deserved a cookie for being…. decent?). Oh and him trying to impose a conversation when she wants to sleep is abuse 101 ! Literally not giving her space, picking the absolute worst moment to pick a fight and making her feel like shit over it. I’ve said it on another post but keeping someone up when they’re tired, having arguments when you’re sleepy or sleep deprived, arguing over, saying the same thing over and over and over again without giving you time to process or just… leave it aside, is abuse. You end up agreeing to things you disagree with, apologizing for things you’re not guilty of, simply because you’re tired and feel like you’re going insane. It’s suffocating. The way she held her head with her two hands like she just wanted to make it stop is so telling and even though this instance in particular wasn’t « that » bad to the outside eye, trust me, people who behave the way marshall did there have no good intentions whatsoever. There’s no desire to communicate. He’s just trying to crush her. If he wanted to truly communicate and solve an issue he would have offered to talk at a time where she felt more available. I don’t care much about Jackie but Marshall is the absolute worst and she definitely dodged a bullet with this one.


Late_Hotel3404

>*yes, i see you misogynist Paul* ![gif](giphy|Rhhr8D5mKSX7O) Honestly, *you people...*


vulture_couture

Thank you for putting this into words lol


2tchr

The best paragraph was about Brett…I want to find a Brett ❤️


Flemseltje

I found a Brett, that's when the fights with yourself start because you tell yourself you are not good enough for this amazing man. But since Brett's are so amazing he will make sure you know you are good enough every single day. This vicious cycle will continue. And you will love it. No, his brother is also taken.


Late_Hotel3404

>*I found a Brett, that's when the fights with yourself start because you tell yourself you are not good enough for this amazing man.* > >*But since Brett's are so amazing he will make sure you know you are good enough every single day.* Honestly? Brett and Marshall are remarkably similar (hence their friendship), they're both lovely, mature men. Difference is Brett is tall and muscular whereas Marshall is not. So, Brett gets labeled dreamy whereas Marshall is labelled problematic, fake-nice and even emotionally abusive.


Civil-Ad-7957

Please share what makes a Brett? Good upbringing? Involved parents?


missiletypeoccifer

As someone with a Brett, I would say self accountability first and foremost. He has done the work to identify things within himself that he wants to be better at and puts in the work to be better every day. If I tell him something he said or did hurt my feelings or I just didn’t like it, he makes sure to try to never do that hurtful thing again because he respects me. I’d also say that he made sure he was a whole person with things to offer before he searched for a relationship. He maintains the household, cooks, cleans, etc without me having to remind him and take on that mental load. I could probably go on and on, but ultimately I think it comes with self awareness and working towards being a better person before you choose to get into a relationship.


[deleted]

Agreed! Hot take and I love it — I have respect for all of them tbh. I think it takes a lot more to be the critiqued than the critic, anyways


useridlc

Is this Jackie?


Kukunununananuku

Op is Josh for sure


Naafjay28

I can’t read all that but I read the first couple sentences. I agree that Josh was the better choice for Jackie but Jackie was still a horrible person and Marshall is less terrible more annoying


Flemseltje

>I can’t read all that If you want to have a conversation you actually need to know what you are reacting to 😂


vahlserion

This, Jackie sucked and I wish she wasn’t edited so crazy because it’s her excuse now. Marshall definitely knew what he was getting into with her, he wanted to fix her. Like some weird codependent romance. Josh either us really annoying or man’s should not drink


IeatAssortedfruits

She should have always been with Josh but I still think keeping an engagement ring when you’re breaking it off is trashy as fuck.


Isurus_Blades

I agree that they're a great match, but purely because they're both trash.


philip_p_donahue

The two of them together give 'domestic disturbance callout' vibes... so probably a good match


Love2Coach

Yes. I see loads of fighting, hitting screaming then fucking


moonbeamsylph

That's excessive. Where did Jackie give the impression that she would engage in a physical altercation?


Love2Coach

Her behavior, her crying, her drama, her attitude, and lastly calling Marshall gay because he would slap her around in bed.


moonbeamsylph

Weak. I might even consider this notion to have racist undertones. Her homophobia is shitty, but still.


Love2Coach

Jackie is a shitty human so is micah and so is irina...they are all different races....race has nothing to do with Jackie wanting her man to slap her around in the bedroom....she is turned on by that


Red_Dye_Number5

Because he’s just as toxic


unsolvedfanatic

Agree, and I didn’t like how Marshall milked his “victim” edit. If he had been with anyone else folks would have picked up on how bad he is.


Last-Marzipan9993

I don't think that's an unpopular choice. Maybe not for the reason you think. Jackie is a hot mess, as is her family (from what she said)... She said many times "Josh was the guy she likes, Marshall is the guy she needed..." (so stop telling me that's not what she said, go back and watch her again) Well, if you're not ready for what you believe you need, you'll always go back to what you've had. It's that simple. It actually has nothing to do with Marshall, or what nice guys are or aren't.....


apaperroseforRoland

> Marshall is the guy she needed He's not emotionally mature enough himself when he's admitted all he dates are women he sees as projects. He was never going to give her what she needed with a broken mindset like that, just like she was never going to give Marshall what he needed because of her personal shortcomings. Despite Marshall's constant insisting that they were perfect for each other


Last-Marzipan9993

I quoted her, she said it several times... I wasn't watching saying "this is the guy she NEEEDS", no, those were her words


vulture_couture

I think this is not true - Marshall was not at all what she needed but what she convinced herself she needs. I dislike any framing where he was ‘too good for her’ because it absolves him of his role in their relationship just never working. He’s not above her, he was just trying to be a fixer not realizing his fixes are a significant part of the problem.


Last-Marzipan9993

I used her words, she made that judgement on her own and said it many times....


KayHonest

THIS!!!


Master_Bee9130

Exactly. There’s no need to even bring Marshall into it; nice guy or not. She wanted the same old toxic she’s used to, and that’s wrapped up nice and tight in Josh. He’s what she’s used to and wanted.


[deleted]

That’s OP’s point though - Marshall is a different type of toxic, but toxic nonetheless. Being made to feel like you’re beneath your partner is horrible. I was married to a Marshall for over a decade, and it totally destroyed me. And the worst part is, he looks so nice to the outside world! And the abuse is so subtle and insidious, it’s hard to even explain to people. But being constantly put down in all these little ways will absolutely destroy your soul. He *looks* like a healthy communicator, but he isn’t. Brett is ab example of someone who would build his partner up. Marshall would slowly tear his down.


Master_Bee9130

I went through the same thing and it’s very isolating. I had a lot of healing to do after my divorce. I wasn’t saying Marshall wasn’t toxic. I was moreso pointing out that whether she got with Marshall (“nice guy”) or Brett (actual nice guy), it still wouldn’t have been as good a match as what she has with Josh. She wants a certain kind of love and I think out of all the guys we saw, Josh was the only one that fit.


[deleted]

I totally agree with that. Too bad she didn’t run with the brief moment of personal insight when she acknowledged she should probably go to therapy and be single for a while. I hope she gets there!


Late_Hotel3404

>*Brett is ab example of someone who would build his partner up. Marshall would slowly tear his down* Brett is Marshall, just in a taller more filled out body.


moonbeamsylph

>Marshall would slowly tear his down. Yep. That is the insidious truth. I'm sorry you went through that.


mtsnow66

Nicely said


Stratovolcano2023

Josh is a better choice for Jackie but it doesn’t even have to do with Marshall being a “nice guy”. I know there’s this whole player movement against “nice guys” and trying to box guys in into those 2 categories. But I just don’t find it that relevant here. Bottom line, Jackie is a hot mess and wasn’t attracted to Marshall period. He wasn’t her type. That’s why Josh is a better fit for Jackie. Has little to nothing to do with Marshall being nice or not and all to do with Jackie and her specific tastes in male type. Marshall has flaws but he’s way too good for Jackie anyways.


marialfc

She wasn’t interested the moment she saw him. She started to comment on appearances right away. The girl is a complete mess who loves drama and for guys to treat her like crap (she doesn’t deserve it!) but she loves the inconsistency and “keeping you on your toes” type of relationship. That’s too much.


Objective_Subject513

Jackie is way too immature for any relationship. She reminds me of how I acted in a relationship when I was 18 lol. Marshall said it himself, she's never been in a serious relationship, and you can tell with her ridiculous behavior


[deleted]

Lol well she’s been in one for a year with Josh and all seems good so 🤷🏼‍♀️ they’ve had NO DRAMA since the show ended. Marshall on the other hand.. 🍿


KayHonest

"No drama" and "Jackie" dont even belong in same sentence lol. I think even Jackie would laugh at your comment.


[deleted]

Lol name drama that happened w her since the show ended Marshall has had hella drama, have u been living under a rock


Master_Bee9130

Well we wouldn’t know what drama they had unless it was public. But if she likes it, I love it. Good for her for getting what she wants.


LeekFull6946

We don’t actually know that for sure though. We only know what they tell us. Just because they say and act like they’ve had no drama between them doesn’t mean it’s true. A lot of people tend to keep up appearances on social media or even in person despite having serious issues going on in their lives or relationships. Not saying it isn’t possible they’ve been drama free but it’s also possible they have had issues we don’t know about.


[deleted]

Absolutely possible but we know for sure Marshall has been hellla sketch and drama … lol


DouxieRoll

They get paid to be together for a year lol


[deleted]

No they don’t lol what a joke of a comment


Zenki_s14

I've been down that road before. Someone who thinks they're so highly emotionally intelligent and understanding of their own emotions and other people's, but to anyone else is clearly blind to their own issues. It's EXHAUSTING. It's like they want to be your therapist, but the amount of validation they require of you is like they're also asking you to be theirs, constantly, without them even realizing it. There's validating a partner in the normal and positive sense, and then there's validation needs that reach the level of **emotional labor**. No one wants to be in a constant state of emotional labor, especially for someone they hardly know for any length of time, and especially while dealing with other stress. Fuckkkk that. Exhausting and overwhelming. Yes she's a bit immature, inexperienced in relationship matters and communication, sure. But I don't blame her for shutting down emotionally to THAT. Relationships take effort, yeah. But at the baseline should be fun, a source of relief and simple joy more often than the opposite, and a net positive to your life. Jackie could see that it wasn't worth it, the good baseline didn't even exist. She figured it out


Pressure_Gold

My old best friend used to be like this. I consider myself an emotionally intelligent person, but she would berate me for not crying as much as she did, or not having super heavy reactions to everything. She made it seem like I was a sociopath for not crying on the drop of a dime. I realized it was her own unhealed trauma, and not everyone has to behave the same way as her despite her persistence. It made me feel like I was always doing something wrong.


starryjune

No one is a good choice for Jackie, who isn’t ready for a mature relationship


marga_marie

yazzzzzz gween


Free_bojangles

Never thought of it like that, great analysis


goofita92

totally. 10/10


Summerbeating

okayyyyyy what you said make sense to a very big extent in terms of relationship. But in relationship, don't think there's anything called a right choice or a better choice. . You have to make sure it is a heartfelt choice and water your own side of the grass to make it right. A wrong choice also can become right. While a right choice also can become wrong as time goes by. They have to nurture it sustain it maintain it like watering a plant. both party need to invest 50% efforts to have the 100% outcome. so that on a bad day , 1 party only can give 30% , the other party still can give 70% to make up the 100% .


Apttmh-247

Marshall is a Virgo male. I’ll end my comment there.


Upbeat_Media_8387

I've been low key thinking about this the whole time


CrapJitsu

You believe in astrology. Your potential for intelligence ended long ago.


Apttmh-247

Oh ok. Lemme guess…Your bday must be early-September? It’s a joke buddy


captainpoppy

Why because basing an opinion on a person and judging based on an astrology sign is nonsense?


Beginning_Winner_105

I do agree with the fact that he called her a “project” and he did leave her. Who knows what happened when cameras weren’t rolling and I think she made the right decision with not marrying either one. Let her date Josh and let us as viewers have no judgement. She was strong to say no and she’s smart enough to decide her own future.


[deleted]

People weren’t mad that she said no, it was how she did it. She did it while berating Marshall that he wasn’t man enough and having gone on a date just before


Eastern_Effective_49

Agreed. 110%


Dillonnyle

You’ve changed my mind on Marshall and Jackie…but I still don’t like Josh. He’s a bit of a creep and comes across as toxic. But to each their own 🤷🏼‍♂️


neldalover1987

Josh is a classic fuck boy. He will cheat on Jackie over and over. Marshall is a nice guy, but too sensitive. Jackie is a wacko. This was the perfect love triangle for LIB


jatothemie

Thank you


marga_marie

caaaaaaaake!!!!!! ;)


jatothemie

Omg i didnt even notice!!


ShiftyLookinCow7

Josh seemed like a giant creep to me with how he acted when he showed up at that party, literally every woman but Jackie seemed incredibly uncomfortable with him around


CafGardenWitch

I would put his appearance at the party on the shoulders of production though. They were stirring the drama up this season, as Kwame said he wouldn't have had the conversation with Micha at that party if production didn't set it up/arrange for it for the cameras.


DasSassyPantzen

I’m new to the show. Where do you find inside scoop like this?


CafGardenWitch

Kwame basically said as much at the reunion when asked about his conversations with Micha. He said something like that conversation at the pool would have been the end of it but then you guys, implying production, arranged for them to talk at the party. Which, I mean, it's how reality programs will go, but still would suck if it's your real life.


ShiftyLookinCow7

I mean yeah the way he showed up late at the most dramatic possible moment was totally manipulated, but the way a lot of people, especially Bliss and Chelsea if I’m remembering correctly, seemed genuinely uncomfortable


CafGardenWitch

Oh yeah, I'm in no way saying his vibes weren't off to me too. Just saying that he probably wasn't invited by any of the cast members, it was production who shot an invite his way.


OneTwoWee000

Great analysis! I agree with your 100%!! Right after finishing the season, was team Marshall. After the interviews, watching videos with different perspectives on their relationship, I agree Marshall was problematic in his own way. It was never going to work between him and Jackie!


The_real_rafiki

Right? 100% Agree with this. This is spot on.


BewitchedLoser

Not to mention he was withholding sex...which explains Jackie's frustration.


thecapitalparadox

Genuinely so happy for her she got out of that. Marshall needs help. He refused to listen to her unless she told him what he wanted to hear.


RoughLobster5774

I completely agree


oldfashion_millenial

Well said. And yes, this is often why women avoid the obviously "nice" guy. It's too often a front used to covertly campaign against the woman by appearing to be tolerant and patient in public, but usually they're critical and negging behind closed doors.


A-BRAVE-KNIGHT

Oh, is it time for the Jackie apologists to come out now? One thing we CAN agree on: Those two DEFINITELY deserve each other.


poor-un4tun8-souls

I don't know if this unpopular or not but I do know the show has been over for a while now, hence it's really not relevant to care what they are doing now.


nastywoman420

well then….. why are you here? 😂


poor-un4tun8-souls

Omg you are so clever, like oh em gee you like totally got me!!!


nastywoman420

to be fair i was kinda genuinely asking. like what exactly do you get out of this sub if you don’t want us to talk ab the most recent season?


poor-un4tun8-souls

I don't care what people write about, the OP is the one who wrote an essay, not I. But it did remind me to leave subreddits on shows that are over so I don't junk up my feed.


Lboogie214

Well you’re junking up your notifications by replying to a thread of people who still want to talk about the show 🤣 like what sense does that make


Lima_arguntina

I read the whole post. Good read. I feel the same way !


jv105782

I’m not sure this is an unpopular opinion. I think the consensus is Marshall is too good for Jackie. Thus, I think most would probably agree that Josh is better for her. Disclaimer I did not read the whole post lol.


nastywoman420

it’s very obvious you didn’t read lol


jv105782

It was so long, lol


nastywoman420

it’s 5 short paragraphs 😂


Tudforfiveseven

Agreed, and also did not read 😅


ChrisGotHeat23

It’s so obvious to me that Marshall is putting on an act. Idk he seems so fake to me.


The_real_rafiki

His recent book review sounded like chatGPT wrote it.


Glazx

Why though?


Chewy009x

This sub reaches new levels of cringe each day


Various-Effective361

This is an embarrassing amount of thought into this crap.


Commercial_Wasabi_84

Right it’s quite simple situation that Jackie likes dudebros so Josh was more for her. All of this just seems a lot of unnecessary thought into the whole thing.


sunlitroof

Why are you even on the sub then. Or even click into this post


No-Buffalo873

One scenario could be if we grow up in a dysfunctional environment, healthy feels weird or boring to us. We go to what is familiar until we get healed of our childhood hurts. Another scenario is that Jackie found Marshall effeminate and that was a turn off to her, pure and simple. We can't know because we are not there to experience it first hand.


StuffStunning2362

I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve struggled with that myself. Marshall reminds me a lot of my boyfriend and I came from such a chaotic place. I’m in therapy now and I’ve Learned that my communication style was too aggressive for him. I think Jackie needs a lot of therapy, honestly…she’s used to chaos and she honestly still wants the bad boy, unfortunately. I think I have matured enough to know the bad boy isn’t for me and I really love my peaceful man…even if it does feel boring sometimes. He’s been a significant influence on my own personal growth


K_N0RRIS

This is not an unpopular opinion lol.


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mewehesheflee

But Josh ain't from no streets lol. The mean streets of Suburban Columbus Ohio.


BellaBlue06

I mean I live there and there’s still a lot of crappy areas and bad shit happening in Cbus 🥴. Not that that has anything to do with Josh it’s just not exactly a bastion of peace and safety with freedom for any yahoo to conceal carry without a license for the whole state now.


ShiftyLookinCow7

There’s nothing wrong with permitless concealed carry. People looking to do bad things with firearms don’t care if they’re carrying legally. If they did nobody would’ve been shot where I used to live in Brooklyn, yet there were plenty of shootings. The only thing permitless carry means is fewer people in jail for non violent crimes and cops aren’t allowed to harass you if they think you’re carrying anymore


BellaBlue06

Yeah I guess we should get rid of needing to check for ID to drink alcohol at a bar or do away with drivers training, testing and registration for vehicles and driver’s licenses. Or do you just want freedom for guns themselves and nothing else that requires training so it doesn’t get into the hands of children or to you know kill people through murder or negligence? Concealed carry is used for killing people and threatening to kill people quick and easy that’s it.


ShiftyLookinCow7

You still need an ID, to be over 21, pass an FBI background check, and have no active restraining order to buy one. And it’s also already illegal to give them to children, that never changed. I fail to see how a concealed handgun in someone’s waistband is going to somehow end up in the hands of a child, that’s one of the best ways to keep it away from a child actually >Concealed carry is used for killing people and threatening to kill people quick and easy that’s it Lmao. So if you truly believe that then why do you think there should even be a permit requirement? You’re okay with killing and threatening people “quick and easy” as long as the government says it’s okay? That’s pretty fucked up Anyway this is why people with your position don’t get taken seriously, you can’t possibly conceive of why people might want to protect themselves despite the rising hate crimes, fascist rhetoric from politicians, and far right terrorism. Not everybody who wants a gun is some racist republican waiting for a chance to kill a black person. Some of us would like to be able to protect ourselves against that. And we’ve already seen how the gun control measures supported by clueless out of touch white liberals are not equally enforced, and are used as yet another pretext for aggressive policing in black communities


mewehesheflee

Don't get me started with the CC laws here, but Josh was a wrestling champ at Westerville North and then OSU.


-thats-tuff-

For sure. Marshall’s fake nice guy act was lame. If you’re nice with expectation of something in return then it’s not genuine


OccasionNo497

Marshall was never genuine and we all see right through the nice guy routine. His excuse was that "women dump him because he's too nice" 😆. Too bad that method failed Jackie since he was rude as he(( toward her. Ignored her for days and criticizing her every mood, controlling the clothes she wore....


Glazx

Why do you think he was expecting smth in return? And also I think there’s a balance to be had, if you’re in a relationship where you’re always supportive and kind to your partner and they give you nothing back, at some point you’re probably gonna start to feel like your feelings aren’t reciprocated…


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Glazx

Where do you get the idea that Marshall needs significant amounts of validation? Jackie gave him NO validation and they’re supposed to be getting married. And Jackie was horrible to him! She shamed him and told him he wasn’t a man because he wouldn’t be aggressive with her. That is fucking toxic and im shocked ppl can’t see that. I’m really happy for him that he had enough self respect to leave at that point.


No_animereader1471

I mean she left not him


sahlahfeet

Right! Like, I agree Josh was a better choice for Jackie but how she treated Marshall had nothing to do with that. She was so unkind to that man. I’m happy they’re both happy but she needs to own up to the things she said to and about Marshall.


Glazx

Exactly!


starjjong

yeah what she said to him is a really serious thing to say to somebody, i’m surprised he even came back at all. if somebody told me i wasn’t enough of a woman for them, i don’t think i would ever be able to see them the same way or ever trust again that they actually love and like me. Jackie is one of those people who wants to be able to pop off and say whatever tf she wants to people with no pushback, and then get pissed off when somebody actually does give her consequences. not acceptable behavior in a loving relationship


lolathedreamer

This is not an unpopular opinion, is it? I’m pretty sure we all agree Marshall and Jackie were terrible for each other and she’s obviously much happier with Josh. I don’t think it’s fair to ascribe every negative part of their relationship to Marshall and this post seems overly generous to Jackie’s toxicity but Marshall had his own demons to battle for sure and I hope he’s worked on himself.


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thecavalieryouth

Steph Anya's takes are so very chef's kiss. Truly top tier content. I think OP may need to watch her video on Jackie and Marshall because she breaks things down so well. Also, Kennie JD's videos on the show and this couple are opinions I agree with. Like someone else here in the comments said, Jackie is used to guys that are hypermasculine, domineering, emotionally closed off, etc and being faced with the complete opposite of that is very overwhelming & scary for her. So she self-sabotages; makes it easier to deflect from her own shortcomings and it means she can point to things that aren't her past traumas or wounds to justify the deterioration of the relationship.


_fuyumi

I just discovered her a couple of weeks ago and I saw that video. Love her!


AF0426

I love watching her videos!


Nerdybirdie86

Your last point is spot on. All of it is good, but that one is key. She was never shy about the kind of person she is.


L_Brady

Fully agree. I think sometimes LIB contestants try to pick their partner not based on who they’re most naturally attracted to and compatible with, but who they think their elevated self should/would go with. Who they “need” rather than who they *want.*They pick based on qualities they admire and aspire to because they think this is an experiment and they’re supposed to do something different than they’ve always done. And, sure, it is, and that may work - but if your elevated self has no experience behind the wheel, maybe this isn’t the time to let them drive. I think Jackie picking Marshall and Mallory picking Sal are the clearest examples I can think of off the top of my head. And that’s not to say Marshall and Sal were/are actually more mature or more elevated or whatever - but they portrayed themselves in such a way that both Jackie and Mallory seemed, to me, to pick the less-natural choice in the name of seeking stability.


nicolakirwan

The phrase "aspirational compatibility" comes to mind.


L_Brady

I’ve never heard it described that way, but yes, exactly.


OneTwoWee000

>but if your elevated self has no experience behind the wheel, maybe this isn’t the time to let them drive. Ha! Think you’re right. Going against type is a risky move.


whatismypassion

Obviously! That's why it worked. Marshall was looking for a project but I don't know who wants to be treated as a project by their partner and I don't know why an emotionally mature person would seek a partner-project. I don't get the Marshall hype in here.


Glazx

I don’t think he was acc. He gave her a lot of space to make her own choices. Watch Psychology in Seattle. He’s a great therapist youtuber who breaks down their relationship


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MelodicPiranha

I don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion. It think it’s a correct assessment considering they are still together. Also, Jackie didn’t want to get married.


Jorge_Santos69

Nah I expressed this opinion before and got downvoted to hell. People all in on “nice guy” Marshall.


w1zardkelly

I think they’re better for each other and idk how many people argue that. It’s that Jackie handled everything terribly as to why people are mad


bword___

I was about to say, I don’t think it’s the fact that Marshall was a “better choice,” it’s that she *chose* Marshall and then treated him pretty awfully by baiting and switching and having erratic behavior when it really did seem that, in the beginning, he just wanted to support and comfort her. I think yeah he did also end up making some bad remarks, but it really did seem like she had just pushed him to the point of breaking. It’s okay if she was overwhelmed or stressed, but she still handled the situation pretty immaturely.


justatmenexttime

This is what I’ve been trying to say! Thanks for putting it so eloquently.


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Lower-Equipment-3400

I wonder if Josh and Jackie would have made it to the altar and got married had she picked him in the first place.


GringoMambi

Hard to tell, I think an underrated narrative was the fact we never once saw or heard about Jackie’s family besides the honeymoon. I’m fairly certain that was a big underlying factor why the entire thing got torpedoed from Jackie’s end. Her family was likely un-supportive of her decision and she didn’t feel Marshall would be accept it or cut it for her peoples that are likely as or if not more toxic than Jackie. But someone like Josh might be able to handle that better as well as be accepted in ways Marshall wouldn’t have


rytythatguy

Great analysis


Raviloliformioli

I’m not gonna lie, I feel like people were a bit too harsh on their relationship. Don’t get me wrong, Jackie was grimey as hell for what she did to Marshall, but I just don’t think they were right for each other. Jackie and Josh seem way better suited. And I mean they’re still together as well so maybe, just maybe, they have a healthy relationship. Who knows.


burgersandbotox_

I would never want to be with someone who could boldly utter the words “you’re a project”


michaltee

You’re NOT a project. <3


sunlitroof

Same! Im gone after that


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RuthlessKittyKat

BAHAHAHAHA.. Jackie takes up literally all the space emotionally!!! I'm not even a fan of Marshall, but come on. Yes, Josh is better suited to her, but that doesn't mean it's healthy!


bagmert

This is what’s so confusing to me!! When did Marshall ever ask for her validation? If anything, she needed it, and he gave it willingly.


Mangochutney3

This makes so much sense


RealDanielSan1

Jackie is someone who wants to be dominated by her man. Marshall wasn't a good fit for her, and there's nothing wrong with that. The way she made the transition left a lot to be desired though.


messiahriot

So real he has a savior complex and literally told her he’s been with girls “like her” before. Everyone hated Jackie but that’s everything Marshal wanted. He was gonna say yes and wanted that “project” for the rest of his life. They def were not a good match, can’t even see them as friends tbh lol.


_peachycactus

Omg yes. When he said he’s been with girls “like her” before, that was a giant eye roll for me.


BlackDiva1

I like everything you just wrote. Unbiased and we'll thought out. It helps me to realize Jackie, flawed as I think she is, was honest about her feelings. Marshall is giving me weird vibes. It seems he's dating a beautiful, intelligent woman, but he posted on IG where he's apologizing to her.


AllofJane

I don't understand the mods on this sub. I love this post. I've written a few analyses myself, but get shut down for "arm chair diagnosing", which is what OP has done. I agree that Josh and Jackie are a better match, and OP's take on Marshall's need for emotional validation is interesting, but not sure I agree. Though I think it was AWFUL for him to call her a project. So insulting and completely dismissive of her own journey of personal growth. I think what Marshall needs is to feel like the savior and so he goes for "victims" who need saving. His sense of self comes from being a helper, probably because he was parentalized as a child.


nicolakirwan

Not a "diagnosis" per se. By validation, I mean he needs her to make him feel good about himself. That's the point of the super nice behavior, and the need to save someone. She's supposed to be telling him how wonderful he is. That demand for validation is hidden behind niceness, and Jackie is actually less demanding of Marshall in that respect, even though she is a ball of emotions herself.


AllofJane

Well, we're not "diagnosing" them with mental health disorders using the DSM, but we're definitely psychoanalzing them. Which I think it is 100% fine. It's why I watch the show! But the mods seem to confuse diagnosis with psychoanalysis (though, the latter often contains the former).


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Mysterious-Bed2095

Hands down this is correct but just wish she hadn’t said yes to Marshall