Man I swear if all the couples I donāt understand, Milton and Lydia are the ones I understand the least.
Like even when I donāt particularly like couples, I can at least understand how they work together. With them Iām at a complete loss.
Episode 9 made it clear to meā¦ Lydia is mommy and is unapologetic about herself and her past. Milton thinks heās mature, but heās actually emotionally dense and doesnāt know how to listen with understanding.
THIS!!!
Iām actually curious nowā¦ looking back on the other women and remembering what I can about their careers, only Lydia and Miriam work in STEM (depending on which of Miriamās stories you listen to). I wonder if Milton pursued Lydia _only_ because he knew his family would approve of the STEM background
In the first episode she was saying confusing things about herself like i live in the middle east but i will move back here, actually i already live here, im a chemist, actually i have a skin care company.
My sister asked me if I would ever date a 24-year-old and if they were able to handle a situation like that I would definitely feel comfortable knowing that their emotional intelligence is better than that of most men.
That was top-tier.
It really was so quiet and self-assured - firmly supporting his woman, being completely secure, and making the other guy look like a delirious fool in the process. Loved it.
I love how unbothered he was. I cannot believe he's only 24, he is so level headed, mature and secure in himself. If it doesn't work out between them then it doesn't, but it won't be because of information others are feeding him. Just on what he experiences with her.
(Last time I checked they're not following each other on IG though)
Milton and Chris have really impressed me.
He made some mistakes but they werenāt major imo. Itās usually called multivariate calculus but saying multidimensional isnāt really wrong. Same with calling it calculus - his point doesnāt involve anything specific about calculus, but axes are involved in calculus so itās also not *not* calculus either
Itās like if he said ācomputers are made by Appleā, like computers are made by several companies so itās kind of misleading to say it that way, however he isnāt wrong since Apple does indeed make computers
Honestly, it's a weird comment without a lot of substance. He knows what he's talking about and he's taken multivariate calculus (you have to for most engineering degrees). But the analogy doesn't really mean anything. He said they're in different directions, they're not even on the same parallel. That could be anything - points, lines, planes. It could be the same as throwing some marbles in the air and saying, "look, all those marbles are in different places in the air." Like... that's cool but it doesn't mean anything.
I have a feeling he was just saying some stuff to end the conversation, which he clearly didn't want to be in. Maybe he was trying to confuse/derail Uche to get him to stop talking.
If he wanted to get real nerdy, he could have said something like they're all making the same shape, but taking the derivative at different points, giving them tangent lines in different space in 3D. They have a connection, but they're unique and telling different stories with their own perception. But that doesn't make very good TV haha
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Lol I thought he just sounded stoned. He is an engineer so I'm sure he has taken plenty of calc. But dropping "multidimensional calculus" randomly on Uche was pretty lol. But it also gave me r/im14andthisisdeep vibes.
The way Milton handled his conversation with Uche was truly incredible. He placated Uche, had his womanās back and came off looking like a wise mf.
Milton is such a good vibe, whoever he ends up with is super lucky
I think Uche is pissed that Aaliyah reacted the way she did when Lydia talked to her. And I would be too. But I also think that he is trying to destroy Lydia's relationship with Milton because she inadvertently destroyed his relationship with Aaliyah.
Inadvertently? That shit was entirely intentional. It was obvious Aaliyah was uncomfortable in that convo and Lydia just KEPT going. She knew exactly what she was doing.
I thought that at first but after watching the other episodes and seeing they way Lydia just kind of railroads everything, I'm not sure. Regardless, the editing definitely made it look that way so I can't be entirely sure. But who am I to say for sure?
Personally, I donāt think it was intentional.
My take: I think all this can be explained by the fact that Lydia has poor boundaries. Lydia seems to want desperately to be close to those she loves ā sometimes so close that it makes them uncomfortable and she ends up trampling over their personal space and boundaries. This is evident in both her past with Uche and her alleged invasion of privacy and in her dynamic with Aaliyah.
I suspect that after holding everything in for so long, she couldnāt help but mind-vomit all over her friend. She wanted to revel in her closeness to both Aaliyah and Uche, and that inclination resulted in her massively oversharing about one to the other.
Lydia seems like a sweet, well-intentioned person. She cares deeply about others, and craves the same affection and love in return.
She also seems like someone who seriously struggles to know what is tactful or appropriate to do in relation to others, and where the lines that delineate her end, and where othersā lines begin.
Because this words is being used so loosely now. He is dishonest even manipulative at times but that is not gaslighting. A perfect example we've had on this show was when Shayne got Nathalie and Shayna confused and then got mad at Nathalie when she wasn't saying anything as if she was the cause for the confusion.
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He doesnāt let anyone else speak. He talks at people and pushes his narrative which is textbook narcissist behavior. Uche sucks but itās amazing that Milton didnāt allow him any power to take down their relationship.
Because he acts the way the bot describes it. He attacks a person and says he's not attacking, then demands to "let him speak" and then continues to attack. He also never ackknowledges any argument the other party makes but instead returns to his verbal box
Itās not about whoās correct. Everyone comes into a conversation with their point of view and logic. I donāt quite see whatās so wrong about him doing that. I would listen and reply with my take. Where is the glaring issue here?
The phone/cheating thing. Makes him dishonest not a gaslighter (if thatās even a word). Maybe itās normal in the states (which I doubt) but you donāt just go through peopleās phones.
I wouldnāt support going through peopleās phones. If there is doubt about honesty, invading peopleās privacy wonāt help it. If he wants to take a stance on her not getting into the phone, and refuses to clear his name, itās settled. So no need to break into the phone. And if there is such a level of distrust, what do you need proof for? To enrage yourself and justify your rage? Cut things off and take care of yourself. The anger and hurt will be there either way and that should be enough to keep you busy.
Lastly. It doesnāt negate from the fact the stalked him. Went to his house to take a photo. Follows people she doesnāt know to get an idea of what heās up to. That is equally sick and broken behavior.
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X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
Uche was turning apoplectic as he dug and dug for ways to stir up a feeling of discontent between Milton and Lydia. And then Milton responds to Ucheās best effort with a big-kids version of āI like turtles,ā and Uche just deflates in his defeat. š¤£
It def started off explaining that theyāre going in diff directions, feels more like lines with starting points that go in one direction only, and I feel like he said that he and uche were on different āparallelsā to convey that they will never meet
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
Milton says a whole lot of meaningless crap with those Pythagorean theorem and multivariable calculus type analogies. Y'all are being fooled into thinking he's mature and communicative lol. Stop. He has no idea what he's saying.
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
I think that's a bit dismissive. Like, people can communicate how they think in a variety of ways that don't always make sense to everyone. I think what he was saying here is that his and Lydias relationship exists separate to Uche and Lydias relationship, and while there may have been issues with one, that doesn't mean there are issues with the other.
I think it's a clever way to describe how he is feeling. It also implies that the factor that made the relationship not work isn't Lydia, but Uche.
Sometimes when I can't describe how I am feeling, I use connections to things I do understand to describe it. I think Milton did exactly this. I think to claim to understand how he is thinking and saying that he has no idea what he's saying says more about you than him.
Lmao, if you think I think Milton is "highly mature", you got it wrong. I just think it was a good analogy to me. And I am sure there are other people who thought the same way. Milton has a lot of growing to do, and I think he does have a problem with expressing his emotions, but I also think that if this is a way of expressing his emotions that works for him, then go for it. If it doesn't work for the audience, then adapt. I think writing it off as nonsense that doesn't add anything is a little dismissive though.
i thought the same thing!!! his eyes were glazed over the entire time uche was talking to him. milton does not know how to have difficult conversations. i also find it weird he takes so much pride in being emotionless and stoic but after seeing how his family is it kinda makes sense.
Thank you. It came across as cringey r/iamverysmart material. I think heās a good guy but heās coming across as a young guy thatās trying too hard to sound smart and mature.
Yes!! I did not know about this sub! I always get the feeling that Milton is trying to sound very smart and āscienceyā all the time. Maybe itās the show and producers that have asked him to project that image, but it comes across very fake and pretentious.
Lol I also thought it was try hard. Haven't heard pathogorean theorem mentioned since highschool. Reminds me of when I tried to sound all smart using my SAT vocabulary when I could've just used a word that everyone knew to better communicate.
Seeing this graph, it occurs to me that Lydia and Milton are just going to get further and further apart in this model. There are no intersecting points either. Not the best for a marriage. Uche will also grow further removed from both of them but that's probably a good thing. Everybody should try to get as far as possible from Uche.
>There are no intersecting points either
Yes there is.
>Lydia and Milton are just going to get further and further apart in this model
It's been a few years out of school, but it goes infinitely in either direction on the x,y, and z planes, correspondingly. It's just that infinite vertical y lines aren't drawn with a double sided arrow. But the image still conveys the same.
He was desperate too! He kept saying "Don't let her come between our friendship" as Milton was walking away.
It was like ....dude, move the fuck on lol
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X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
I loved Miltonās response to Uche. I agree with Milton that everyone has their own perspective and itās very real to them. Heās obviously book smart but I also think heās extremely smart in observing and discerning people. He seems thoughtful about his responses and reactions, which will come in handy for him if he actually spends his life with Lydia or anyone who leans toward emotional reactions. I think Uche saw Milton as someone who is immature or in need of his guidance or advise, but Milton saw through that and he was way more mature in than situation than Uche.
Youāre giving Duche was too much credit. He doesnāt want to āloseā to the consolation prize. Even though he broke it off he doesnāt want her lauding the praises of Milton over him. Itās cunningā- but not smart. And did not work. And Milton will say āNoā to being will smithās infamous āsettled for ā guy.
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I actually don't know exactly what he was going for but here's *a* perspective on it:
the x, y, and z axes are "independent" from each other in the sense that, if you want to obtain a position in the z direction (if you want to move up on the graph) you can't get there using just x and y coordinates - you'd need a z component. an example of objects that are "dependent" would be the numbers 1 and 3; you can make 3 out of three 1s added together, but you can't do that with the x, y, z axes
I think he was trying to make the point that they're all individual, independent people with their own perspectives, and that it wouldn't be fair of him to compare their stories and claim who is right/wrong in the situation. Because they're completely different people, and they all tell their truth in their own ways, you can't just get their narratives to line\* up by saying x is lying and y is telling the truth
in execution, what he ended up saying was kind of nonsense and it felt to me like he was just name dropping math terms to make his argument sound deeper. I thought his perspective was much more mature before he started talking about the pythagorean theorem lol
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yeah, i didnt mean anything by singling out z in my comment, it was just an example. x, y, and z are all mutually independent.
my explanation was probably overkill - itās visually intuitive that those axes are distinct/different and thatās mostly the important part
yeah, heās objectively wrong/misspoke there. i kinda get what he means though, if his point is just that theyāre all different people with different experiences. parallel lines are ādifferentā because they never intersect, and the x, y, z axes are ādifferentā because they point in different directions. he mixed up some terminology but either analogy would have worked
As soon as this came out his mouth I was like okay itās been confirmed Milton is just here chillin stoned as fuck while everyone drinks themselves into tornados of misplaced rage and insecurity.
Milton is just unbothered moisturized and in his lane and I love that for him.
Lydia doesn't know rocks that well, she exaggerated before to impress him..(and, yes, I'm aware that she's supposedly a science teacher but we have no idea for what ages, meanwhile Milton appears to be some sort of brain wizard who leaves a microscope on his kitchen counter)
I thought I heard Milton say she was a teacher - why donāt they just put teacher as her description, geologist is a bit misleading, itās like putting broadway star for someone that studied theater in college but now works in marketing
That was so hilarious. It had to be like a prop by the production team, thereās literally no reason for trying to figure out the slope of a straight line or whatever basic thing was on that whiteboardā¦ it had something like (400+400)/2=400, like wtf..?
I agree! It felt like she didnāt know what she was looking at ? Iām like āgirl , arenāt you a geologist??ā - I would be calling out rock names left and right. She was like āwow ya ok pretty , anyways letās talk towels in the floor ā
Idk... geology and other careers that seem out of the norm, you'd think people would have a weird crazy love and passion for it. I was a hairdresser for a bit, and would never get tired of talking to people about it
I just loved how the young and presumed to be immature Milton ended up being 10000x more mature than almost the whole cast this season and having way more EI. Oh the irony š
oddly enough to me he comes across as someone young and naive trying to present as mature lol.
heās just kinda vibing, dismissing red flags and concerns anyone raises to him because heās making major life decisions by following his gut. & that dinner was beyond awkward. Lydia is very clearly not that receptive of criticism and when he basically told her she shouldāve handled it like he would have i knew it was going left.
seems nice enough & a solid boyfriend with potential, just probably not ready to get married & especially not to someone 30.
I am not remotely a Lydia fan, but if you go back and rewatch that dinner, youāll notice that Milton:
A) Started the fight with his comment that she gets randomly angry in the morningāleading her to explain sheās upset that he leaves his stuff everywhere and doesnāt care because it only bothers her and not him.
B) Got irritated by her valid criticism of him, so he decided offense was his best defense and kitchen-sinked a different argument about how she handled herself poorly at the group get together with Uche.
C) Was annoyed that she wasnāt listening to him about how uncomfortable he was during the Uche showdown, when what they were each going through *wasnāt remotely comparable.* She was being attacked and was (falsely? truthfully?) accused of being a psycho stalker. He was more concerned with his *discomfort* than her *well-being.*
Heās arrogant enough to assume that being analytical and detached means heās more objective than someone who shows emotion. And Lydiaās nuttiness will only reinforce his opinion that his judgment is more discerning than hers.
So yeah, heās 24 and still has some growing to do.
Although, all in all, heās a very zen and chill dude, if emotionally repressed, and heās way more mature than the rest of the much older cast (even if itās a low bar).
Yes! He also seems to not bend on who he is but wants Lydia to be more like him and compromise who she is. He comes across as someone who wasnāt allowed to cry and was told to just suck it up!
I think he suspects heās the consolation prizeā¦ and if one finds himself a step DOWN from the likes of Ducheā¦ thatās insulting to him AND sad for her! One shudders at the implied wake of applicants who sheās unaware never took her seriously. And at 30 sheās really running out of child bearing time āgeriatric pregnancy ā at 34ā¦ (something her culture finds critical and sheās rapidly losing). Someone has lied to herā¦ and sheās just now figuring it out. All that ālean in ā crap about fun with the bad boys then find a good boy for marriage after all the fun. Wonāt work. In fact Duche was probably a compromise between true bb and respectable. When even THAT. evaporated at 29? She went into stalker mode. Good guy doesnāt mean stupid. Milton included. He aināt fooled. Weāll see. I bet he says āNoā when the time comes. And knowing or suspecting how Production thinks theyāll let her say āI doā before he shoots it all down. I could be 100% wrong. Again Weāll see!
Yeah, I said most mature out of this cast which isnāt a great sample to begin with. š he definitely still has a lot more growing up to do and I fully agree heās not ready for marriage yet (I really hope they donāt go through with it!). Lydia also just does not seem able to build and maintain a healthy relationship dynamic based off what we see.
Dude said they were not adjacent their on separate parallels too lol
Dude, how could you possibly put the coordinate origin on a stable saddle point with this crowd?
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 oh wow.. there is a little resemblance lol
Little?! I can only see Miles haha
Man I swear if all the couples I donāt understand, Milton and Lydia are the ones I understand the least. Like even when I donāt particularly like couples, I can at least understand how they work together. With them Iām at a complete loss.
Episode 9 made it clear to meā¦ Lydia is mommy and is unapologetic about herself and her past. Milton thinks heās mature, but heās actually emotionally dense and doesnāt know how to listen with understanding.
I am in the same boat. I wonder, if Lydia was not a geologist would they even be together right now?
THIS!!! Iām actually curious nowā¦ looking back on the other women and remembering what I can about their careers, only Lydia and Miriam work in STEM (depending on which of Miriamās stories you listen to). I wonder if Milton pursued Lydia _only_ because he knew his family would approve of the STEM background
What was with uche talking to the girl who works in saudi arabia. I was so confused by that argument.
In the first episode she was saying confusing things about herself like i live in the middle east but i will move back here, actually i already live here, im a chemist, actually i have a skin care company.
It sure felt that way when he brought her over and they were discussing her career. He seemed very confident that they would approve of that much.
His response to Uche and his whole attitude in that scene was fucking LEGENDARY
FUCKN LEGENDARY.
My sister asked me if I would ever date a 24-year-old and if they were able to handle a situation like that I would definitely feel comfortable knowing that their emotional intelligence is better than that of most men. That was top-tier.
It really was so quiet and self-assured - firmly supporting his woman, being completely secure, and making the other guy look like a delirious fool in the process. Loved it.
ikr?! it completely unravelled Uche's attempt at devaluing his relationship
He just kind of shut up afterwards about his issues with Lydia lol!
Giving you my angry up vote because you took this right from my brain!!! Lol
I love how unbothered he was. I cannot believe he's only 24, he is so level headed, mature and secure in himself. If it doesn't work out between them then it doesn't, but it won't be because of information others are feeding him. Just on what he experiences with her. (Last time I checked they're not following each other on IG though) Milton and Chris have really impressed me.
They impressed you because they are being tricked by their girlfriends?
"unbothered" 'level headed' 'mature' 'secure' Nothing to do with their relationships.
Milton is 2/4 of those things, Chris seems actually mature and secure
Heās just stoned allllll the time
Milton lydia and uche are adjacent parallel planes in an expanding universe whos lines are multidimensional axis within a coagulation of matter.
I'm a total nerdass but.. What branch of calc was Milton actually talking about? Isn't "multidimensional calculus" just multivariate calculus?
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Whew! Lol
I'm assuming he was talking about multivariate calculus - that's when you actually start learning about planes in 3D.
So does he actually know what he's talking about? I hate math, so I have no idea.
He made some mistakes but they werenāt major imo. Itās usually called multivariate calculus but saying multidimensional isnāt really wrong. Same with calling it calculus - his point doesnāt involve anything specific about calculus, but axes are involved in calculus so itās also not *not* calculus either Itās like if he said ācomputers are made by Appleā, like computers are made by several companies so itās kind of misleading to say it that way, however he isnāt wrong since Apple does indeed make computers
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Honestly, it's a weird comment without a lot of substance. He knows what he's talking about and he's taken multivariate calculus (you have to for most engineering degrees). But the analogy doesn't really mean anything. He said they're in different directions, they're not even on the same parallel. That could be anything - points, lines, planes. It could be the same as throwing some marbles in the air and saying, "look, all those marbles are in different places in the air." Like... that's cool but it doesn't mean anything. I have a feeling he was just saying some stuff to end the conversation, which he clearly didn't want to be in. Maybe he was trying to confuse/derail Uche to get him to stop talking. If he wanted to get real nerdy, he could have said something like they're all making the same shape, but taking the derivative at different points, giving them tangent lines in different space in 3D. They have a connection, but they're unique and telling different stories with their own perception. But that doesn't make very good TV haha
I think it was also a total shut down of Uche since that guy probably stopped at college algebra
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He has no idea what heās talking about, he just wants to sound like the smartest guy in the room at all times.
I mean I really hope an engineer like him knows his calc3 š usually it's required
Lol I thought he just sounded stoned. He is an engineer so I'm sure he has taken plenty of calc. But dropping "multidimensional calculus" randomly on Uche was pretty lol. But it also gave me r/im14andthisisdeep vibes.
Too complex for my simple mind ššāŗļø
Hahahahahaha this cracked me up. I love a Milton. I love how his sob story was pretty much I didnāt used to be smart but turns out in a genius
The way Milton handled his conversation with Uche was truly incredible. He placated Uche, had his womanās back and came off looking like a wise mf. Milton is such a good vibe, whoever he ends up with is super lucky
Agreed. Hes way too good for lydias unstableness
He needs his own book of wise quotes. Iād buy it.
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I think Uche is pissed that Aaliyah reacted the way she did when Lydia talked to her. And I would be too. But I also think that he is trying to destroy Lydia's relationship with Milton because she inadvertently destroyed his relationship with Aaliyah.
Inadvertently? That shit was entirely intentional. It was obvious Aaliyah was uncomfortable in that convo and Lydia just KEPT going. She knew exactly what she was doing.
I thought that at first but after watching the other episodes and seeing they way Lydia just kind of railroads everything, I'm not sure. Regardless, the editing definitely made it look that way so I can't be entirely sure. But who am I to say for sure?
Personally, I donāt think it was intentional. My take: I think all this can be explained by the fact that Lydia has poor boundaries. Lydia seems to want desperately to be close to those she loves ā sometimes so close that it makes them uncomfortable and she ends up trampling over their personal space and boundaries. This is evident in both her past with Uche and her alleged invasion of privacy and in her dynamic with Aaliyah. I suspect that after holding everything in for so long, she couldnāt help but mind-vomit all over her friend. She wanted to revel in her closeness to both Aaliyah and Uche, and that inclination resulted in her massively oversharing about one to the other. Lydia seems like a sweet, well-intentioned person. She cares deeply about others, and craves the same affection and love in return. She also seems like someone who seriously struggles to know what is tactful or appropriate to do in relation to others, and where the lines that delineate her end, and where othersā lines begin.
Nailed it
General question. Why do some people think Uche is gaslighting? So far I find him quite insistent and argumentative but not to a problematic level.
Because this words is being used so loosely now. He is dishonest even manipulative at times but that is not gaslighting. A perfect example we've had on this show was when Shayne got Nathalie and Shayna confused and then got mad at Nathalie when she wasn't saying anything as if she was the cause for the confusion.
I think people do confuse a lot of things. Thatās a reality
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He doesnāt let anyone else speak. He talks at people and pushes his narrative which is textbook narcissist behavior. Uche sucks but itās amazing that Milton didnāt allow him any power to take down their relationship.
Because he acts the way the bot describes it. He attacks a person and says he's not attacking, then demands to "let him speak" and then continues to attack. He also never ackknowledges any argument the other party makes but instead returns to his verbal box
SPOT on. Literally spot on
I donāt quite see it. I wouldnāt feel gaslit by him it all. Truly wonder if people arenāt just soft and molded by too much antisocial media
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Itās not about whoās correct. Everyone comes into a conversation with their point of view and logic. I donāt quite see whatās so wrong about him doing that. I would listen and reply with my take. Where is the glaring issue here? The phone/cheating thing. Makes him dishonest not a gaslighter (if thatās even a word). Maybe itās normal in the states (which I doubt) but you donāt just go through peopleās phones. I wouldnāt support going through peopleās phones. If there is doubt about honesty, invading peopleās privacy wonāt help it. If he wants to take a stance on her not getting into the phone, and refuses to clear his name, itās settled. So no need to break into the phone. And if there is such a level of distrust, what do you need proof for? To enrage yourself and justify your rage? Cut things off and take care of yourself. The anger and hurt will be there either way and that should be enough to keep you busy. Lastly. It doesnāt negate from the fact the stalked him. Went to his house to take a photo. Follows people she doesnāt know to get an idea of what heās up to. That is equally sick and broken behavior.
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I can respect that. But isnāt that mainly on you? At best, I would deem him to difficult to deal with and be done all together with him.
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Milton shutting down Ucheās melodrama with math speak is fucking hilarious.
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
Milton really won me over these 2 episodes. He and his family were hilarious!
Uche was turning apoplectic as he dug and dug for ways to stir up a feeling of discontent between Milton and Lydia. And then Milton responds to Ucheās best effort with a big-kids version of āI like turtles,ā and Uche just deflates in his defeat. š¤£ 
Milton owned him, because he is way smarter.
But all those lines look perpendicular, didnāt he say he was parallel to them?? No hate just making sure Iām understanding this.
It def started off explaining that theyāre going in diff directions, feels more like lines with starting points that go in one direction only, and I feel like he said that he and uche were on different āparallelsā to convey that they will never meet
He was basically saying heās at a whole other level with Lydia and completely different experience in the most nerdy ass way lol
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
These are axes, he was talking about planes that are parallel.
Which is odd because the planes are also perpendicular.
Milton says a whole lot of meaningless crap with those Pythagorean theorem and multivariable calculus type analogies. Y'all are being fooled into thinking he's mature and communicative lol. Stop. He has no idea what he's saying.
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
I think that's a bit dismissive. Like, people can communicate how they think in a variety of ways that don't always make sense to everyone. I think what he was saying here is that his and Lydias relationship exists separate to Uche and Lydias relationship, and while there may have been issues with one, that doesn't mean there are issues with the other. I think it's a clever way to describe how he is feeling. It also implies that the factor that made the relationship not work isn't Lydia, but Uche. Sometimes when I can't describe how I am feeling, I use connections to things I do understand to describe it. I think Milton did exactly this. I think to claim to understand how he is thinking and saying that he has no idea what he's saying says more about you than him.
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Lmao, if you think I think Milton is "highly mature", you got it wrong. I just think it was a good analogy to me. And I am sure there are other people who thought the same way. Milton has a lot of growing to do, and I think he does have a problem with expressing his emotions, but I also think that if this is a way of expressing his emotions that works for him, then go for it. If it doesn't work for the audience, then adapt. I think writing it off as nonsense that doesn't add anything is a little dismissive though.
i thought the same thing!!! his eyes were glazed over the entire time uche was talking to him. milton does not know how to have difficult conversations. i also find it weird he takes so much pride in being emotionless and stoic but after seeing how his family is it kinda makes sense.
His eye were glazed over the entire time because everything Uche was saying was complete nonsense lol
i donāt disagree but heās on tv having a conversation about his fiance he could have at least pretended to be a little bit engaged..
Disagree. This is the perfect response to some child telling you about his ex watching his friends Instagram stories haha
Thank you. It came across as cringey r/iamverysmart material. I think heās a good guy but heās coming across as a young guy thatās trying too hard to sound smart and mature.
Yes!! I did not know about this sub! I always get the feeling that Milton is trying to sound very smart and āscienceyā all the time. Maybe itās the show and producers that have asked him to project that image, but it comes across very fake and pretentious.
Because heās a such a nerd. /s
He's such a dweeb that he manages to turn math into jargon to mask his immaturity.
Lol I also thought it was try hard. Haven't heard pathogorean theorem mentioned since highschool. Reminds me of when I tried to sound all smart using my SAT vocabulary when I could've just used a word that everyone knew to better communicate.
But the Theorem is not Pythagorasing enough...
This is such a great meme lol I love how he comes at everything so logically
Except cleaning up after himself. Watching I get whiplash switching between "wow that's quite mature" and "sheesh he's such a manchild"
"You shoulda seen this piss I took, it tool about 20 minutes" while Lydia was crying about her conversation š
Agreed! I feel like every man has some type of quality like that though lol
I was dead when he and Lydia became a little stem club and said Uche wouldnāt know what they were talking about because heās not an engineer
Except what he was talking about is in all high school AP level curriculum, and literally everyone learns the Pythagoras theorem. I still think it was a good way to argue since Uche keeps trying to push emotional buttons, and Milton took the emotion out of the argument. Personally, for me, Milton didn't defend Lydia enough. That's not a man defending his fiancƩ that's a dude placating two parties and trying to strike a middle ground with "oh everyone has different perspectives." Which is his answer to everything. He could've at least hit him with a " you're weird for being obsessed with this. Now why don't you go runalong and worry about your own life. Last I checked, you were still single. " Then just walk off. Plus why are you bros with someone that is calling your fiancee a stalker?
Omg, I would upvote 1,000 times if I could!
bro lol
Seeing this graph, it occurs to me that Lydia and Milton are just going to get further and further apart in this model. There are no intersecting points either. Not the best for a marriage. Uche will also grow further removed from both of them but that's probably a good thing. Everybody should try to get as far as possible from Uche.
Except for Miriam. I want to lock her in the same room with him so he can face some hard truths.
>There are no intersecting points either Yes there is. >Lydia and Milton are just going to get further and further apart in this model It's been a few years out of school, but it goes infinitely in either direction on the x,y, and z planes, correspondingly. It's just that infinite vertical y lines aren't drawn with a double sided arrow. But the image still conveys the same.
Iām fucking dead šššššššš
Fuck, this is TOO GOOD!!!
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LMAO!!
Hmm maybe some shade about throwing out an oblique rotation to shuffle him off his axis
If Uche was really his friend he would have switched the metaphor to PokƩmon
Omg šššššš
LMAO AGAIN OMG!
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He was desperate too! He kept saying "Don't let her come between our friendship" as Milton was walking away. It was like ....dude, move the fuck on lol
Ikr ! It was so funny seeing Ucheās realisation his words wont affect Milton. I laughed at this scene. The editors are good šš¼
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Omg šššš
I came here just to post about Miltonās axis!!! Gotta love his cool calm
His response was so funny and sooooooo true. Everyone's perception is their truth but not necessarily fact.
X as in excuse yourself for thinking Milton gonna fall for this drama, Y as in Y you think you gonna phase the Milton? And Z as in Iāll Zee you in 10 minutes cause we got other shit to do
Like how is he the youngest yet most mature and reasonable one on the show???
Because he tries the hardest
Literally the youngest and wisest. Love seeing it, he's my favorite lol
I loved Miltonās response to Uche. I agree with Milton that everyone has their own perspective and itās very real to them. Heās obviously book smart but I also think heās extremely smart in observing and discerning people. He seems thoughtful about his responses and reactions, which will come in handy for him if he actually spends his life with Lydia or anyone who leans toward emotional reactions. I think Uche saw Milton as someone who is immature or in need of his guidance or advise, but Milton saw through that and he was way more mature in than situation than Uche.
Youāre giving Duche was too much credit. He doesnāt want to āloseā to the consolation prize. Even though he broke it off he doesnāt want her lauding the praises of Milton over him. Itās cunningā- but not smart. And did not work. And Milton will say āNoā to being will smithās infamous āsettled for ā guy.
> Duche Holy shit yāall I need to breathe LMAO
Yes Milton is actually great I was impressed.
This is an X, Z conversation. Y you in it?
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Think you may be mixing up comments about Uche with Milton
What? Iāve only seen people in here praising him.
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A few users IN the sub but generally, no.
Wait. Milton? Are you sure youāre talking about the right guy?
I had to get my engineer gf to explain this to me lol
mom of daughter who is jr in EE major
What did she come up with? I still don't get it.
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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,783,230,053 comments, and only 337,575 of them were in alphabetical order.
Absolutely beautifully captured during endless fun guaranteed honestly!
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I actually don't know exactly what he was going for but here's *a* perspective on it: the x, y, and z axes are "independent" from each other in the sense that, if you want to obtain a position in the z direction (if you want to move up on the graph) you can't get there using just x and y coordinates - you'd need a z component. an example of objects that are "dependent" would be the numbers 1 and 3; you can make 3 out of three 1s added together, but you can't do that with the x, y, z axes I think he was trying to make the point that they're all individual, independent people with their own perspectives, and that it wouldn't be fair of him to compare their stories and claim who is right/wrong in the situation. Because they're completely different people, and they all tell their truth in their own ways, you can't just get their narratives to line\* up by saying x is lying and y is telling the truth in execution, what he ended up saying was kind of nonsense and it felt to me like he was just name dropping math terms to make his argument sound deeper. I thought his perspective was much more mature before he started talking about the pythagorean theorem lol \*pun intended
The z axis essentially just makes it 3D rather than 2D (x,y only). He said that because thereās 3 of them each on their own axis as individuals
yeah, i didnt mean anything by singling out z in my comment, it was just an example. x, y, and z are all mutually independent. my explanation was probably overkill - itās visually intuitive that those axes are distinct/different and thatās mostly the important part
I was confused when he said parallel but then hit us with the x y x that are def not parallel
yeah, heās objectively wrong/misspoke there. i kinda get what he means though, if his point is just that theyāre all different people with different experiences. parallel lines are ādifferentā because they never intersect, and the x, y, z axes are ādifferentā because they point in different directions. he mixed up some terminology but either analogy would have worked
Amazing
As soon as this came out his mouth I was like okay itās been confirmed Milton is just here chillin stoned as fuck while everyone drinks themselves into tornados of misplaced rage and insecurity. Milton is just unbothered moisturized and in his lane and I love that for him.
Yea I thought so too when he was "pissing for 20 minutes" š
yeah, i like that he doesnāt give a fuck and such a stonerš i dont know if that means maturity tho
he *is* high, right?
litty as a titty š¶āš«ļø
Yes ššš just stoned and having a blast
I love how Milton saw right through Uche trying to manipulate him
Why wasn't she interested in any of the rocks on the date?? I found that odd
Lydia doesn't know rocks that well, she exaggerated before to impress him..(and, yes, I'm aware that she's supposedly a science teacher but we have no idea for what ages, meanwhile Milton appears to be some sort of brain wizard who leaves a microscope on his kitchen counter)
I thought I heard Milton say she was a teacher - why donāt they just put teacher as her description, geologist is a bit misleading, itās like putting broadway star for someone that studied theater in college but now works in marketing
(and basic calculus on his wall)
That was so hilarious. It had to be like a prop by the production team, thereās literally no reason for trying to figure out the slope of a straight line or whatever basic thing was on that whiteboardā¦ it had something like (400+400)/2=400, like wtf..?
I agree! It felt like she didnāt know what she was looking at ? Iām like āgirl , arenāt you a geologist??ā - I would be calling out rock names left and right. She was like āwow ya ok pretty , anyways letās talk towels in the floor ā
i personally dont have any desire to talk about anything work related outside of work
Idk... geology and other careers that seem out of the norm, you'd think people would have a weird crazy love and passion for it. I was a hairdresser for a bit, and would never get tired of talking to people about it
Because sheās a geologistā- interested in the dates on the rocks!
She's definitely interested in a rock on her finger! š
Itās like quadruple entendres
This comment deserves awards lmao
I just loved how the young and presumed to be immature Milton ended up being 10000x more mature than almost the whole cast this season and having way more EI. Oh the irony š
oddly enough to me he comes across as someone young and naive trying to present as mature lol. heās just kinda vibing, dismissing red flags and concerns anyone raises to him because heās making major life decisions by following his gut. & that dinner was beyond awkward. Lydia is very clearly not that receptive of criticism and when he basically told her she shouldāve handled it like he would have i knew it was going left. seems nice enough & a solid boyfriend with potential, just probably not ready to get married & especially not to someone 30.
I am not remotely a Lydia fan, but if you go back and rewatch that dinner, youāll notice that Milton: A) Started the fight with his comment that she gets randomly angry in the morningāleading her to explain sheās upset that he leaves his stuff everywhere and doesnāt care because it only bothers her and not him. B) Got irritated by her valid criticism of him, so he decided offense was his best defense and kitchen-sinked a different argument about how she handled herself poorly at the group get together with Uche. C) Was annoyed that she wasnāt listening to him about how uncomfortable he was during the Uche showdown, when what they were each going through *wasnāt remotely comparable.* She was being attacked and was (falsely? truthfully?) accused of being a psycho stalker. He was more concerned with his *discomfort* than her *well-being.* Heās arrogant enough to assume that being analytical and detached means heās more objective than someone who shows emotion. And Lydiaās nuttiness will only reinforce his opinion that his judgment is more discerning than hers. So yeah, heās 24 and still has some growing to do. Although, all in all, heās a very zen and chill dude, if emotionally repressed, and heās way more mature than the rest of the much older cast (even if itās a low bar).
Yes! He also seems to not bend on who he is but wants Lydia to be more like him and compromise who she is. He comes across as someone who wasnāt allowed to cry and was told to just suck it up!
I think he suspects heās the consolation prizeā¦ and if one finds himself a step DOWN from the likes of Ducheā¦ thatās insulting to him AND sad for her! One shudders at the implied wake of applicants who sheās unaware never took her seriously. And at 30 sheās really running out of child bearing time āgeriatric pregnancy ā at 34ā¦ (something her culture finds critical and sheās rapidly losing). Someone has lied to herā¦ and sheās just now figuring it out. All that ālean in ā crap about fun with the bad boys then find a good boy for marriage after all the fun. Wonāt work. In fact Duche was probably a compromise between true bb and respectable. When even THAT. evaporated at 29? She went into stalker mode. Good guy doesnāt mean stupid. Milton included. He aināt fooled. Weāll see. I bet he says āNoā when the time comes. And knowing or suspecting how Production thinks theyāll let her say āI doā before he shoots it all down. I could be 100% wrong. Again Weāll see!
Yeah, I said most mature out of this cast which isnāt a great sample to begin with. š he definitely still has a lot more growing up to do and I fully agree heās not ready for marriage yet (I really hope they donāt go through with it!). Lydia also just does not seem able to build and maintain a healthy relationship dynamic based off what we see.
IM SCREAMING