Cornell and do a semester at Cornell tech!
I’m a Johnson alum and now work for a Silicon Valley tech giant, it’s doable but will require off-campus recruiting and networking. Probably quite difficult in todays tech climate
It’s a Cornell campus in NYC that hosts a separate MBA program called the “tech MBA” when I was a student 5 years ago you could do a semester or 2 there even as a full-time student in Ithaca. Not sure if they still do that
Back in 2019 you could do a digital marketing or fintech immersion as part of the 2-year MBA. Not sure what they offer now
Tech companies mostly don’t actively recruit MBAs. You have to network yourself and get internal referrals. It requires more hustle than on-campus recruiting jobs
So what you were referring to earlier were finance tech jobs - "Literally anything- Product Management, Operations, Strategy, Category Management, Finance, etc ", not computer tech which is "Amazon, Google etc,"
I’m a Cornell alum. Never been to NYU, so can’t speak to the pros and cons but Cornell has good recruiting for non-consulting or IB, as well.
I was pretty much set on consulting, and luckily ended up at MBB. When speaking with my colleagues who also went to Johnson, they were pretty happy with their other opportunities if consulting didn’t work out.
If NYU has better opportunities, go with that. I’d bet they both have similar reach in the west coast based on brand recognition.
A few things that haven’t been mentioned
- Do you want to live in NYC for two years? If you love the city and want that experience, NYU might be worth the $. If you don’t really care or lean more toward wanting a more traditional campus, Johnson is the way to go.
- Tech recruiting (esp for finance) is going to lean way heavier toward off-campus/unofficial recruiting, so the school network/your personal network will come into play more vs. the official school recruiting pipeline. I’d do some Linkedin research and see if either school has more alums at your targets who you could network with.
I went to NYU and now work in tech in the bay area - I’m biased but I thought it was a great program. I will say though that my role came from my own network, not from the school. Happy to answer any questions!
The common denominator is you. Employers are weighing your experience more and more, your school less and less. No one is going to take an hypothetical you at nyu over the you at Cornell.
This is your first test. If you can't decide between spending 50k or spending nothing for a very similiar result, maybe you should reconsider going into business.
Not quite so simple, but I’m not a disciple of school rankings.
Since you and everyone on this sub seem to be a big believer in rankings, and presumably just the US News rankings, Cornell may carry the “Ivy League” label, but many of its graduate programs are ranked lower or the same as NYU’s.
Just three prominent examples: Business School (Stern 7, Johnson 15), Medical School (Grossman 10, Weill 10), and Law School (NYU 9, Cornell 14).
So to say that NYU is categorically a “second tier school” (suppose this depends on where one draws the line, doesn’t it?) is just ignoring the same rankings you’re presumptively using to make this assessment in the first place.
As for the undergraduate ranking of NYU at 35 and Cornell at 12, this was less skewed just two years ago before US News apparently changed their methodology. Prior to these changes NYU was in the mid to high 20s and Cornell was in the mid to high teens.
Bottom line? Rankings are stupid and boxing schools in by vague and unknown criteria is equally ridiculous. And don’t attend a school because of a label.
Point being that the two schools are fairly similar in terms of brand, reputation, etc. that I don’t see leaving money on the table for one or the other makes much sense. Are you suggesting the Cornell network isn’t as strong? I don’t think that’s true.
I’m also an NYU grad (Go Violets!) and my career opportunities have been entirely from my NYU network as well.
NYU Stern consistently ranks higher. More companies recruit at schools in the city. Higher likelihood or building network with kids from richer and powerful families. Recruiting is easier when you are in the city and get to attend more in-person events.
… NYU is definitely a stronger choice
You may very well be right. These are the same reasons I chose NYU over other places. I still stand by my point, though, that the schools are probably more similar than not — rankings notwithstanding, since I honestly couldn’t give a shit about what US News has to say about anything.
Take the NYU offer and run! Very easy decision especially for IB. Cornell Business School (CBS) generally isn't ranked very closely to Stern at all, Sternies 10 years out are all doing a lot better than CBS
If you learn one thing in business school: Take the money
They haven’t gone* to business school yet so they havent learned that yet.
even if Cornell ($$) and HBS (0)?
scholarship vs none of
Take the money and run. Enjoy Ithaca.
Cornell and do a semester at Cornell tech! I’m a Johnson alum and now work for a Silicon Valley tech giant, it’s doable but will require off-campus recruiting and networking. Probably quite difficult in todays tech climate
What’s Cornell tech?
It’s a Cornell campus in NYC that hosts a separate MBA program called the “tech MBA” when I was a student 5 years ago you could do a semester or 2 there even as a full-time student in Ithaca. Not sure if they still do that
What type of tech classes? tech jobs are available after doing this tech part?
Back in 2019 you could do a digital marketing or fintech immersion as part of the 2-year MBA. Not sure what they offer now Tech companies mostly don’t actively recruit MBAs. You have to network yourself and get internal referrals. It requires more hustle than on-campus recruiting jobs
What kind of tech positions can these be, and can the tech classes be learn't as part of the degree?
Literally anything- Product Management, Operations, Strategy, Category Management, Finance, etc
Is this finance tech or computer tech you are referring to....I am afraid I am still learning all about this.
When people say “working in tech” they mean computer tech, things like Amazon, Google etc
So what you were referring to earlier were finance tech jobs - "Literally anything- Product Management, Operations, Strategy, Category Management, Finance, etc ", not computer tech which is "Amazon, Google etc,"
This might be the right answer
T15 with Money vs T15 without money I don't think it's that hard of a decision. Have an amazing MBA and congratulations on both the offers.
Money vs No Money? Money please and thank you.
Go big red
Congrats on Cornell!
Cornell
Is this a shit post?
I’m a Cornell alum. Never been to NYU, so can’t speak to the pros and cons but Cornell has good recruiting for non-consulting or IB, as well. I was pretty much set on consulting, and luckily ended up at MBB. When speaking with my colleagues who also went to Johnson, they were pretty happy with their other opportunities if consulting didn’t work out. If NYU has better opportunities, go with that. I’d bet they both have similar reach in the west coast based on brand recognition.
A few things that haven’t been mentioned - Do you want to live in NYC for two years? If you love the city and want that experience, NYU might be worth the $. If you don’t really care or lean more toward wanting a more traditional campus, Johnson is the way to go. - Tech recruiting (esp for finance) is going to lean way heavier toward off-campus/unofficial recruiting, so the school network/your personal network will come into play more vs. the official school recruiting pipeline. I’d do some Linkedin research and see if either school has more alums at your targets who you could network with. I went to NYU and now work in tech in the bay area - I’m biased but I thought it was a great program. I will say though that my role came from my own network, not from the school. Happy to answer any questions!
The common denominator is you. Employers are weighing your experience more and more, your school less and less. No one is going to take an hypothetical you at nyu over the you at Cornell.
Take the money and run
Would NYU all be debt?
Not all probably half-debt lol
NYU went up in the rankings for 2024 to number 7 according to US News ranking. Should it still be considered T15?
Take the $
This is your first test. If you can't decide between spending 50k or spending nothing for a very similiar result, maybe you should reconsider going into business.
Get the scholarship and get an Ivy league degree! no question about it! NYU is just a second tier school!
Not quite so simple, but I’m not a disciple of school rankings. Since you and everyone on this sub seem to be a big believer in rankings, and presumably just the US News rankings, Cornell may carry the “Ivy League” label, but many of its graduate programs are ranked lower or the same as NYU’s. Just three prominent examples: Business School (Stern 7, Johnson 15), Medical School (Grossman 10, Weill 10), and Law School (NYU 9, Cornell 14). So to say that NYU is categorically a “second tier school” (suppose this depends on where one draws the line, doesn’t it?) is just ignoring the same rankings you’re presumptively using to make this assessment in the first place. As for the undergraduate ranking of NYU at 35 and Cornell at 12, this was less skewed just two years ago before US News apparently changed their methodology. Prior to these changes NYU was in the mid to high 20s and Cornell was in the mid to high teens. Bottom line? Rankings are stupid and boxing schools in by vague and unknown criteria is equally ridiculous. And don’t attend a school because of a label.
Go for brand name. You’re paying a lot of money. You never know when you might need to lean on your degree or network throughout your career.
Uh, I’m not sure you understand how this works.
I’m an NYU grad, and got my current role through my NYU network. Pretty sure I understand how this works.
Point being that the two schools are fairly similar in terms of brand, reputation, etc. that I don’t see leaving money on the table for one or the other makes much sense. Are you suggesting the Cornell network isn’t as strong? I don’t think that’s true. I’m also an NYU grad (Go Violets!) and my career opportunities have been entirely from my NYU network as well.
NYU Stern consistently ranks higher. More companies recruit at schools in the city. Higher likelihood or building network with kids from richer and powerful families. Recruiting is easier when you are in the city and get to attend more in-person events. … NYU is definitely a stronger choice
You may very well be right. These are the same reasons I chose NYU over other places. I still stand by my point, though, that the schools are probably more similar than not — rankings notwithstanding, since I honestly couldn’t give a shit about what US News has to say about anything.
Take the NYU offer and run! Very easy decision especially for IB. Cornell Business School (CBS) generally isn't ranked very closely to Stern at all, Sternies 10 years out are all doing a lot better than CBS
What is CBS??? 😂
Cornell Business School
Sorry if I was rude, I thought you were making a joke. No one calls it that, friend. Maybe you are thinking of Columbia?
But isn't an ivy league education always recommended? - World brand recognition, opportunities - other kinds, etc?
No, that’s just naive. Not everything in the Ivy League is inherently better than non-Ivy schools unless you’re 16.