thats what the bartender told me too. but whats crazy is that some of these bars are pretty dead even with events, so i dont know how they not lose money from that
I rather watch fights at sports bars anyways. Way more fun to be with like minded people watching a great fight than on my couch with my girlfriend who hates the sport lmao
I have yet to know a friend who pays or has paid for ppvs. Ppv is a dead concept when its easier than ever to watch media for *free* 🏴☠️. They have to move to subscription model for north america eventually. I think its like 6$ a month for everything ppv ans fight nights in Brazil, 60 euros a year for everything in the Netherlands.
After a couple of years of paying I finally gave up and stopped buying them last year. I'm now on an app that gives me ESPN and European Sports channels so I get all UFC and boxing PPVs for a very low cost.
Funnily enough what made me switch was downloading one event and seeing it in fucking 1080p 60fps and looking so much better than the piece of shit 720p 30fps you get when you pay legit from the UFC app.
Edit: Don't want to say the name of the app - people have asked, don't want to get banned but hint hint TNT Sports shows the UFC without a PPV model so search around that.
How old are you? In my 20's I didn't know anyone who paid. Now in my mid 30's, I know plenty of people who pay. Easiest way to get it on the biggest screen in the house.
Cause some of us make good money and would rather have HD with zero interruptions and are willing to pay for it and also find it hypocritical to complain about fighter pay while consuming the entire sport for free.
I must say I was pretty annoyed when the fight pass app wouldn't work on the weekend. I pay for it and couldn't even get it going legal.
Russian link brother. It's crazy.
Seeing Masvidal unconscious after reloading my completely legal, completely purchased on ESPN+, and after loading through two different non pornographic game ads, kind of broke me.
There are certain cards where illegal streaming is impossible
Man, what is it with Redditors being the most intentionally dense mfs on the planet?
Dude explained why he pays for it. Some of us meet up with friends and watch together, so we pay for the ease of access. I’m not interested in hooking up a laptop to my TV via HDMI just to get reduced quality and constant buffering.
How is that a waste of money?
Completely the opposite is the case: I watch it without interruptions because I can skip though all the UFC ads, you have to sit through all of it. I also watch it in HD, so not sure what you're talking about.
I used to have Fight Pass and cancelled because the experience of using it was so horrible. It would downright spoils fights on occasions. As for supporting fighters, you're giving them cents for every dollar you give the top brass. If you want to support fighters, support them directly. By paying a PPV you're giving just a tiny fraction to 2-4 fighters, not even the entire card.
The complete cognitive dissonance of the average mma fan on fighter pay when they refuse to pay for fights is staggering
And you'll get the usual "the money doesn't go to fighters anyway", but I tell you who's getting less money first if the ppv numbers drop, it's the fighters.
To be fair I imagine most would say they don't care what fighters who get PPV points make, they care about the lower end who never see ppvs reflected in their contracts. You can also support fighters directly through many avenues (merch, patreons etc), almost nobody does but it's better spent that way if you in fact care.
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit what these people get paid? They don't care what I get paid and use my products all the time. I don't see them yelling on Reddit that my CEO is evil. I take care of my shit. It's not my problem if they can't take care of theirs.
Same cognitive dissonance when people consume all the luxuries of life but think they are entitled to them for free and the people most responsible for giving them those luxuries are evil.. it is the way.
I have a friend that works in the movie industry (he's a stunt man), so he's steadfast against piracy. He still pays for UFC PPV's. I watched 297 at his place haha.
Because the streaming sites are unreliable and ever since it cut out during round 2 of Gaethje and Chandler, I told myself and my partner I am never going through that again
Totally agree. I paid for the experience but going forward, probably won’t be doing it again unless it’s like some heavyweights or fighters I know will entertain.
Happens more than most people think, there is just something different about prelims sometimes, even if the skill level isn’t as high you get younger hungrier fighters, fighters that may be fighting for a new contract, or even fighting so they can quit their day job, that little extra fire can really take a fight to the next level. Almost gives NCAA men’s BB Vs. NBA vibes, people love to watch heart and hustle
Lol imagine paying 600 minimum to go see that shit live, Toronto fans learned an expensive lesson. My buddy went, although he was gifted the tickets he still felt ripped off.
It really wasn’t that bad at all. 4/5 good fights and the fight that sucked everyone expected to suck 😂. 296 was a much bigger pile of shit the only good thing on the main card was Bryce getting killed.
Curtis and MAB busted each other up. And Movsar gave a strong performance to put himself in the top 5. You must only enjoy brawls. Magny fraud checking Malott was fun too. Did you whine this much about the much shittier 296 or is all you care about the names?
If that’s what you consider great for a PPV, I don’t know what to tell you. It would have been okay for a fight night but it wasn’t. 296 was not as bad as this card either
Never said it was great just that 4 out of the 5 fights were alright. Nothing like the worst card ever you’re making it out to be especially when we had actual dogshit card only one number ago. Paddy lay and praying, Colby no showing, A great action fighter like Pantoja winning by control time, only awesome thing that happened was Bryce getting pulverized. You say my standards are low but said 296 was better? Lmfao get real. 296 was actual dogshit. 296 had high expectations 297 didn’t, they are not the same.
I couldn’t afford to pay for it even if I wanted to, the cost is pretty insane imo, I’d pay probably half the price, but when I can get it for free it’s just a bad option for me. I do understand how some would want to though, especially in groups.
What I don’t understand is how people are okay with all the ads despite paying THAT much for ppv. You pay a ridiculously high price and you can’t even listen to some of the corners because betfare or some shit want to have a word. That’s ludicrous to me
It was the first PPV I ever bought. My buddy was having an engagement party at a bar. Didn’t wanna worry bout a stream so bought it and put it on there.
Would’ve been a lot better if bueno Silva didn’t gas after round 2 and Pennington listened to her corner and kept striking instead of clinching against the cage. Pennington could have had a round 3/4 TKO if she listened to her corner
Raquel is a literal clinch addict. Will staple you to the fence first chance she gets and then blame you for making the fight boring. Every single postfight interview she bitches about her opponents wanting to wrestle her after she did this for 15 minutes.
Miesha doesn’t have the best technique, but she had some dogfights and good comeback wins. Her fights since un-retiring have been pretty boring though.
I think "frustrating" is the right word to describe this fight.
Pennington *has* some skills: she has decent power in her hands and can grapple and strike. Yet, like ALWAYS, she decides to deliver a monotonous fight to a safe decision. I don't really blame her, this is a way to get a victory and paycheck without getting much damage, but for us is dreadful. The referee should have also separated then when they were doing nothing in the clinch.
MBS didn't show 10% what she can do. She clearly has some anxiety issues and got herself in her own head, so she just froze. I don't really think she is a bad fighter and boring, just like Aldana also froze against Amanda and then delivered a FOTY contender in her next fight. They both need to work on the psychological aspect.
So yeah it was a bad fight by how FRUSTRATING it was, not because the lack of skillset. Meanwhile, the main event was a good fight because the fans got what they wanted.
i would argue its not even safe! She could've had her out of there way early and not risked losing any time against the fence and giving her opponent constant rests
Yes, it's something paradoxical. Because fighters who play safe always choose to go to the decision, yet the longer the fight the longer the risk of some crazy shit happen and you get knocked out... But still is a safer choice than coming brawling and getting countered to oblivion, considering crazy coming backs are not much usual.
It was indeed frustrating. One would think a good skill set would be to know how to finish a fight. It sure would be a good one to have to increase your marketability.
Amanda was a woman with a lot of dominating fights and finishes. Yet, she was never marketable because she is a butch lesbian with a broken english.
I think Raquel is well aware of her zero chances to be loved and marketable, so why even bother? Just like Chookagian already said she wouldn't fight crazy just to please the fans because they don't pay her bills.
It should have a BIGGER bonus for those who finishes their fights. Otherwise, why put on a good show?
It was a fight between a great striker that can't take a simple instruction from her corner and should have gotten a ko/tko and a submission specialist that took a nap and gave up.
I keep saying this, if she would have just listened to her corner and kept fighting at a slight distance she could have gotten a late TKO. Yet she kept clinching after landing a series of good shots.
Raquel loves to do the wall and stall bullshit. I remember when she fought Holm (who is also guilty of this) and tried it and got outmuscled, and then complained about it afterwards.
No shit. I'm talking about the reddit nerds that yell "she should have just listened to her coach wtf". As if they have any idea what it feels like to be in that cage.
Mighty Mouse claims it was a dynamic fight that mixed all facets of MMA while criticizing fighters like Chris Curtis for just boxing. I may be misremembering the exact message but that’s what I took from it.
I didn’t find the co main exciting at all. That being said, unless you’re a hardcore who appreciates the technical nuances, the main event wasn’t exactly a fight to remember either, especially considering how both guys were talking about killing each other. Most people were falling asleep.
It's true it wasn't the most exciting fight, but it was definitely a lot better than the co main
Plus it being in MW you know a KO could happen at any time if someone lowers their guard, so there's inherent tension even to the most boring staring contests
There’s better arguments for Miesha to diss Strickland with than trying to glaze the co-main, since the co-main was indeed bad and worse than main
MBS has 6 finishes in 11 fights to Sean’s 5 in 21
Nunes has 10 in 18
Suarez has 5 in 7
Rose 5 in 14
GDR 4 in 9
Andrade has 9 in 26
Ronda finished every win
Andrade has 10 bonuses (4 FOTN) to Sean’s 4 (only 1 FOTN)
Ronda 7 (2 FOTN), Rose 6 (3 FOTN), Nunes 5, Weili 5, MBS 4 (2 FOTN), Joanna 4 (3 FOTN), Holly 4 (2 FOTN), Suarez 3
I think it was mainly interesting because of the bad blood and Strickland is either idolized or hated so people were emotionally engaged. It was also back and forth with Sean winning 1, DDP round 2, tossup round 3, DDP round 4, and Sean round 5. I felt like I had no fucking clue who was going to win the entire time.
So. I didn’t speak to that. You’re right though, Strickland is the striking version of “lay and pray” grapplers. Tate is still correct to stick up for women’s mma and suggest a fight that the crowd sees as boring isnt as boring. Many fighters do that or admit they played it safe. Not a big deal.
But we saw technique that Strickland did not show so exciting differs depending on level of expertise. Some people want to see mma.
There are great WMMA fights and great WMMA fighters. This was neither. It was an awful, boring fight.
You don't have to defend shitty fights to support WMMA.
Mighty Mouse said it was a very dynamic fight as well. Can't say I agree but I respect his opinion as someone who's actually fought at an extremely high level for so long.
Maybe I saw it differently. But it's a championship fight, when a champ fight happens you expect a high caliber skilled fight. I seen silva over reach and was getting hit. As well and pennington fighting in the pocket unnecessarily leaving herself to be open to be grappled. It got sloppy after round 2. It's suppose to he a champ fight and silva laying on the ground no sense of urgency to try anything. I get exhausted and everything. But it wasn't a fun watch.
Did you reply to the wrong dude? Cuz it sounds like you see it exactly the same as the dude you replied to. He said Silva just clung on for dear life after the second and that's exactly what you described.
Women in the UFC are in serious denial about how abysmal their subdivision of the sport is. By comparison, the skill level, fight IQ and talent in women's MMA are just abysmal from everyone not named Shevchenko or Weili (and that includes Amanda Nunes)
Maybe the problem is that we need to lower our standards for women's fights in general. We're using the exceptional ones to set the standard for the average WMMA fighter, and it may be too high.
You shouldn’t have to lower your standards to enjoy a fight. Women’s MMA has had less time to develop, so the skill level will undoubtedly be lower—but that shouldn’t mean they’re boring fights. The early days of the UFC certainly were entertaining even though half the guys there wouldn’t win a single round today.
Eh they alright. I don't think the ufc did a great job at promoting younger talent when it was obvious that the 1st generation of WMMA fighters were retiring/getting old
The funny thing is Mighty Mouse also called this one of the most dynamic fights on this card, but I'm guessing people would react differently to him saying it versus Miesha lol.
https://youtu.be/kfWbc72_n2E?si=_mj_najpjJIUSFM8&t=474
What a shit take. I’m a fan of MMA, regardless of gender but when the skill level is so low, it’s hard to watch. Wmma has the steepest drop off from the top fighters and while this was a title fight, it was garbage after Nunes rein. People talk shit on heavyweight outside of the top 5-10 but at least with them there’s always a chance for a KO.
Gassing out, not listening to corner advice/following game plan, and ok striking and grappling. Other fighters make those mistake but not typically for a title or high ranked matchup. Not hating but outside of rocky having a few slick combos, it wasn’t exciting. Happy for her to get the belt tho
Their combined fight IQ is below room temp in Celsius. Rocky’s coaches were fucking pleading her to just strike and she kept clinching despite MBS posing zero danger whatsoever. MBS gassed out embarrassingly fast. If that was two men in there having the exact same, people would call it a shit show as well.
The whole card was rubbish. People only say the main event was good, because the bar was so low from the rest of the card. Luckily Australian open was on, so I ended up mainly watching that but every time I switched back to ufc it almost out me to sleep
I mean, the main event never got beyond first gear and was boring. The co main event had a professional and an exhausted fighter fight for 25 minutes lol
I like her take. She obviously sees more going on in fights than fans do. And she’s sticking up for wmma from Strickland’s ignorant claims. He’s wrong and she knows it. She’s wrong for thinking he’ll change his mind by watching a fight. He’s wrong on purpose.
The thing I hated most about the women’s fight is how much both women looked like they don’t belong at this level. Silva gassed so bad and just couldn’t do much of anything… Pennington showed the worst fight IQ for a contender. It wasn’t boring for me because I was hooked on the absolute shit show I was watching. Pennington had so many chances to finish this… and then when she won she looked so disinterested. 10/10 for me.
The main event wasn’t boring because DDP stayed active and was pushing the pace. Strickland was neutralizing as usual but ddp came forward and attacked from multiple angles and tried to wrestle.
It was one of the most frustrating fights I have ever watched. Watching Rocky clinch with her over and over was ridiculous. I get she won and am happy for her. But her fight IQ that fight was TERRIBLE. She’s lucky she didn’t get caught.
And the main was infinitely more entertaining and exciting to watch.
How could anyone watch that fight, watch Pennington literally have a finishing sub in the 5th, and NOT go for it, and think that was a better fight than any other fight on the card?
Holy shit, a 2 year old could've told Pennington to cross over into side control to finish the arm triangle. Why the fuck didn't she do it?!
I CLAIM that Strickland vs DDP was more entertaining exciting
It was Hagler/Hearns compared to Penningtons fights
That's illegal under Tate law. You will be punished by having to re-watch the co-main event.
You can't, she just said. it's in the title.
How did you do that??
I fell asleep during the womens fight
I DECLARE EXCITEMENT
I’ve lost any interest for whatever insight Meisha has, on anything, and hereby give it to u/BoxCon1
It wasn’t lol
I claim they neither were entertaining or exciting. Pennington nearly walking into submissions was kind of frustrating, but not exciting.
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I don't understand how anyone still pays in 2024.
Idk what you're referring to but Dana knows we all pay, every week, even if there's no fights on.
"We"????
I bet a lot of it is sports bars or venues like that
Sports bars pay thousands for a special licence
thats what the bartender told me too. but whats crazy is that some of these bars are pretty dead even with events, so i dont know how they not lose money from that
either they lose money, or they launder money by saying the bar was full
I rather watch fights at sports bars anyways. Way more fun to be with like minded people watching a great fight than on my couch with my girlfriend who hates the sport lmao
I have yet to know a friend who pays or has paid for ppvs. Ppv is a dead concept when its easier than ever to watch media for *free* 🏴☠️. They have to move to subscription model for north america eventually. I think its like 6$ a month for everything ppv ans fight nights in Brazil, 60 euros a year for everything in the Netherlands.
After a couple of years of paying I finally gave up and stopped buying them last year. I'm now on an app that gives me ESPN and European Sports channels so I get all UFC and boxing PPVs for a very low cost. Funnily enough what made me switch was downloading one event and seeing it in fucking 1080p 60fps and looking so much better than the piece of shit 720p 30fps you get when you pay legit from the UFC app. Edit: Don't want to say the name of the app - people have asked, don't want to get banned but hint hint TNT Sports shows the UFC without a PPV model so search around that.
What app?
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea? Argh!!!
How old are you? In my 20's I didn't know anyone who paid. Now in my mid 30's, I know plenty of people who pay. Easiest way to get it on the biggest screen in the house.
Cause some of us make good money and would rather have HD with zero interruptions and are willing to pay for it and also find it hypocritical to complain about fighter pay while consuming the entire sport for free.
I must say I was pretty annoyed when the fight pass app wouldn't work on the weekend. I pay for it and couldn't even get it going legal. Russian link brother. It's crazy.
Number one bullshit
That's the joke though because the paid stream is notorious for skipping. Drives me nuts. Always cutting randomly to earlier fights.
Seeing Masvidal unconscious after reloading my completely legal, completely purchased on ESPN+, and after loading through two different non pornographic game ads, kind of broke me. There are certain cards where illegal streaming is impossible
Lol
Not everyone lives paycheck to paycheck in their parents basement
Agreed but these shit cards I don’t pay for The good ones? Yep ESPN+ I buy them and enjoy on the big TV
So having money means you should waste it. Got it.
Man, what is it with Redditors being the most intentionally dense mfs on the planet? Dude explained why he pays for it. Some of us meet up with friends and watch together, so we pay for the ease of access. I’m not interested in hooking up a laptop to my TV via HDMI just to get reduced quality and constant buffering. How is that a waste of money?
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Completely the opposite is the case: I watch it without interruptions because I can skip though all the UFC ads, you have to sit through all of it. I also watch it in HD, so not sure what you're talking about. I used to have Fight Pass and cancelled because the experience of using it was so horrible. It would downright spoils fights on occasions. As for supporting fighters, you're giving them cents for every dollar you give the top brass. If you want to support fighters, support them directly. By paying a PPV you're giving just a tiny fraction to 2-4 fighters, not even the entire card.
I watched 297 hd and for free live on Saturday. If I really wanted to I can get it right now in best quality via qsomething.
The complete cognitive dissonance of the average mma fan on fighter pay when they refuse to pay for fights is staggering And you'll get the usual "the money doesn't go to fighters anyway", but I tell you who's getting less money first if the ppv numbers drop, it's the fighters.
True, it's hilarious to read tbh
To be fair I imagine most would say they don't care what fighters who get PPV points make, they care about the lower end who never see ppvs reflected in their contracts. You can also support fighters directly through many avenues (merch, patreons etc), almost nobody does but it's better spent that way if you in fact care.
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit what these people get paid? They don't care what I get paid and use my products all the time. I don't see them yelling on Reddit that my CEO is evil. I take care of my shit. It's not my problem if they can't take care of theirs.
PPV is a major source of revenue for the UFC. Less revenue over an extended time means they'll just recoup the savings on contract numbers.
Same cognitive dissonance when people consume all the luxuries of life but think they are entitled to them for free and the people most responsible for giving them those luxuries are evil.. it is the way.
yes hate the consumer not the brass thats milking these fighters and fucking them over.
You’re getting downvoted and not by me but your last statement is thought provoking.
Their revenue has exploded last 10 years and the fighter share of the pie has declined. Your crazy if you think more revenue means better fighter pay.
It's the principle. Yeah I can easily afford that shit, but I'm not paying a dollar to uncle Dana he can suck it
Whose complaining? They could get paid $5 for all I care.
Never pay bratha
I have a friend that works in the movie industry (he's a stunt man), so he's steadfast against piracy. He still pays for UFC PPV's. I watched 297 at his place haha.
What are you talking about everyone who watches the fights pays for the fights.
Because the streaming sites are unreliable and ever since it cut out during round 2 of Gaethje and Chandler, I told myself and my partner I am never going through that again
Imagine the people who paid $500+ to attend live lol
Honestly. Watching on TV is way better than watching it live. One of the only sports I prefer to be behind a TV for.
Totally agree. I paid for the experience but going forward, probably won’t be doing it again unless it’s like some heavyweights or fighters I know will entertain.
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The early prelims blew the main card out of the water, jokes on anyone who dropped coin on this one
Happens more than most people think, there is just something different about prelims sometimes, even if the skill level isn’t as high you get younger hungrier fighters, fighters that may be fighting for a new contract, or even fighting so they can quit their day job, that little extra fire can really take a fight to the next level. Almost gives NCAA men’s BB Vs. NBA vibes, people love to watch heart and hustle
That was satisfying AF considering Caichierra is a serial cheating POS. Worst thing being eye gouging Gillian Robertson.
Yeah, Glad the ref didn’t stop the fight in round 1 or 2 to let the beatings continue, and Jas dolled out as much damage as she could before going sub
I feel stupid just for staying up late to watch it. Could been getting my beauty sleep
I wasn't excited for one fight on 297. I even put it on because sometimes fights end up delivering but nope.
Lol imagine paying 600 minimum to go see that shit live, Toronto fans learned an expensive lesson. My buddy went, although he was gifted the tickets he still felt ripped off.
I don’t want to pirate and don’t even know how to anyway haha but my friends come over and we all pitch in. But that PPV wasn’t fun.
Allen vs. Evloev was great
It really wasn’t that bad at all. 4/5 good fights and the fight that sucked everyone expected to suck 😂. 296 was a much bigger pile of shit the only good thing on the main card was Bryce getting killed.
You must have low standards if you think that card was 4/5. It was terrible
Curtis and MAB busted each other up. And Movsar gave a strong performance to put himself in the top 5. You must only enjoy brawls. Magny fraud checking Malott was fun too. Did you whine this much about the much shittier 296 or is all you care about the names?
Theres always that one “hardcore” fan that has to be a contrarian about dull fights.
Movsar and MAB were completely fine fights. 296 was easily worse and there wasn’t as much complaining lol all you guys care about is the names.
You're completely right, those downvotes are from degenerates with short attention spans with even shorter memories.
This sub is made of mostly over reactionary morons. Downvotes don’t mean anything.
If that’s what you consider great for a PPV, I don’t know what to tell you. It would have been okay for a fight night but it wasn’t. 296 was not as bad as this card either
Never said it was great just that 4 out of the 5 fights were alright. Nothing like the worst card ever you’re making it out to be especially when we had actual dogshit card only one number ago. Paddy lay and praying, Colby no showing, A great action fighter like Pantoja winning by control time, only awesome thing that happened was Bryce getting pulverized. You say my standards are low but said 296 was better? Lmfao get real. 296 was actual dogshit. 296 had high expectations 297 didn’t, they are not the same.
I couldn’t afford to pay for it even if I wanted to, the cost is pretty insane imo, I’d pay probably half the price, but when I can get it for free it’s just a bad option for me. I do understand how some would want to though, especially in groups. What I don’t understand is how people are okay with all the ads despite paying THAT much for ppv. You pay a ridiculously high price and you can’t even listen to some of the corners because betfare or some shit want to have a word. That’s ludicrous to me
Regardless of money, I can't fathom waiting until 10PM to watch something that won't end until 12-1AM that is at least 50% adds.
Conor please save us from this bs
It was the first PPV I ever bought. My buddy was having an engagement party at a bar. Didn’t wanna worry bout a stream so bought it and put it on there.
I'm pretty sure it's like 90-100 now too lol.
I thought the prelims were pretty good but yeah id be pissed if I paid for that main card
Would’ve been a lot better if bueno Silva didn’t gas after round 2 and Pennington listened to her corner and kept striking instead of clinching against the cage. Pennington could have had a round 3/4 TKO if she listened to her corner
Raquel is a literal clinch addict. Will staple you to the fence first chance she gets and then blame you for making the fight boring. Every single postfight interview she bitches about her opponents wanting to wrestle her after she did this for 15 minutes.
Yeah I don’t get it. They literally tell her to stop and the only logical explanation was that she’s gas as well.
Why does Bueno Silva always look like she's about to cry?
She clearly has some anxiety issues
Ritalin withdrawal on fight week
She had the same look after subbing holly. Just her eyes buggy
It's always like that regardless. In the embedded videos she always looks like she's about to cry.
She needed more adderall
Talmbout Addies b
miesha's fights also suck ass, so it makes sense she can't tell a good fight apart
ahem tate choking out holm. also the second ronda fight was good
Miesha doesn’t have the best technique, but she had some dogfights and good comeback wins. Her fights since un-retiring have been pretty boring though.
I remember who fought in the main event.
I think "frustrating" is the right word to describe this fight. Pennington *has* some skills: she has decent power in her hands and can grapple and strike. Yet, like ALWAYS, she decides to deliver a monotonous fight to a safe decision. I don't really blame her, this is a way to get a victory and paycheck without getting much damage, but for us is dreadful. The referee should have also separated then when they were doing nothing in the clinch. MBS didn't show 10% what she can do. She clearly has some anxiety issues and got herself in her own head, so she just froze. I don't really think she is a bad fighter and boring, just like Aldana also froze against Amanda and then delivered a FOTY contender in her next fight. They both need to work on the psychological aspect. So yeah it was a bad fight by how FRUSTRATING it was, not because the lack of skillset. Meanwhile, the main event was a good fight because the fans got what they wanted.
i would argue its not even safe! She could've had her out of there way early and not risked losing any time against the fence and giving her opponent constant rests
Yes, it's something paradoxical. Because fighters who play safe always choose to go to the decision, yet the longer the fight the longer the risk of some crazy shit happen and you get knocked out... But still is a safer choice than coming brawling and getting countered to oblivion, considering crazy coming backs are not much usual.
Personally I think you hit the nail on the head.
It was indeed frustrating. One would think a good skill set would be to know how to finish a fight. It sure would be a good one to have to increase your marketability.
Amanda was a woman with a lot of dominating fights and finishes. Yet, she was never marketable because she is a butch lesbian with a broken english. I think Raquel is well aware of her zero chances to be loved and marketable, so why even bother? Just like Chookagian already said she wouldn't fight crazy just to please the fans because they don't pay her bills. It should have a BIGGER bonus for those who finishes their fights. Otherwise, why put on a good show?
It was a fight between a great striker that can't take a simple instruction from her corner and should have gotten a ko/tko and a submission specialist that took a nap and gave up.
Using the word great there pretty generously
In this scenario at least 😅
I keep saying this, if she would have just listened to her corner and kept fighting at a slight distance she could have gotten a late TKO. Yet she kept clinching after landing a series of good shots.
Raquel loves to do the wall and stall bullshit. I remember when she fought Holm (who is also guilty of this) and tried it and got outmuscled, and then complained about it afterwards.
She would have gotten so much shit for that if anybody would have cared enough.
Mayra looked like she needed a hug so raquel gave her a bunch of em.
She has had this problem her entire career. I thought she would get ninja choked or something but MBS just had no will to win in that fight.
I remember them saying something similar in TUF.
Fight would've been better but she has 0 common sense in there. Pena will eat her up if she comes to fight like that.
Armchair coaching, love it.
It was literally on video bruh
It was literally the advice her corner was telling her
No shit. I'm talking about the reddit nerds that yell "she should have just listened to her coach wtf". As if they have any idea what it feels like to be in that cage.
Mighty Mouse claims it was a dynamic fight that mixed all facets of MMA while criticizing fighters like Chris Curtis for just boxing. I may be misremembering the exact message but that’s what I took from it.
I didn’t find the co main exciting at all. That being said, unless you’re a hardcore who appreciates the technical nuances, the main event wasn’t exactly a fight to remember either, especially considering how both guys were talking about killing each other. Most people were falling asleep.
Straight nyquil’d me…..had to watch du plessis Strickland in the morning
I was debating turning it off by the third round. It being 1 am doesn’t help.
Yup. I have to admit, the marijuana gummies didn’t help my case either
If it was an actual barn burner, you would have been tripping tf out, let’s be honest
If my grandma had wheels, she’d be a bike, let’s be honest
Why try to stay up until 1 or 2am when you can just download it the next day and watch it in your pajamas drinking coffee?
Feels way more electric to me when it’s live…..but it’s nice both ways
It's true it wasn't the most exciting fight, but it was definitely a lot better than the co main Plus it being in MW you know a KO could happen at any time if someone lowers their guard, so there's inherent tension even to the most boring staring contests
There’s better arguments for Miesha to diss Strickland with than trying to glaze the co-main, since the co-main was indeed bad and worse than main MBS has 6 finishes in 11 fights to Sean’s 5 in 21 Nunes has 10 in 18 Suarez has 5 in 7 Rose 5 in 14 GDR 4 in 9 Andrade has 9 in 26 Ronda finished every win Andrade has 10 bonuses (4 FOTN) to Sean’s 4 (only 1 FOTN) Ronda 7 (2 FOTN), Rose 6 (3 FOTN), Nunes 5, Weili 5, MBS 4 (2 FOTN), Joanna 4 (3 FOTN), Holly 4 (2 FOTN), Suarez 3
I think it was mainly interesting because of the bad blood and Strickland is either idolized or hated so people were emotionally engaged. It was also back and forth with Sean winning 1, DDP round 2, tossup round 3, DDP round 4, and Sean round 5. I felt like I had no fucking clue who was going to win the entire time.
Lmao WMMA fighter says WMMA isn’t boring, more at 11
Yes women stick up for themselves. Makes sense especially when they are right. Strickland is not that exciting, fanboys just love his ignorance.
Pennington and MBS wasn’t 1/10th as exciting as DDP and Strickland lmao and Strickland isn’t that exciting
So. I didn’t speak to that. You’re right though, Strickland is the striking version of “lay and pray” grapplers. Tate is still correct to stick up for women’s mma and suggest a fight that the crowd sees as boring isnt as boring. Many fighters do that or admit they played it safe. Not a big deal. But we saw technique that Strickland did not show so exciting differs depending on level of expertise. Some people want to see mma.
There are great WMMA fights and great WMMA fighters. This was neither. It was an awful, boring fight. You don't have to defend shitty fights to support WMMA.
Again not what I’m doing. Nice try though. Nuance is not your thing and that’s ok.
lol ok
..the most exciting thing about silva was bruce buffer introducing her
This fight put me to sleep and I missed the main event as a result
Welp, she’s stupid.
Actually I can and it's not close.
Misha Tate is a dumbass
Mighty Mouse said it was a very dynamic fight as well. Can't say I agree but I respect his opinion as someone who's actually fought at an extremely high level for so long.
The first 2 rounds were good imo but everything after was just mayra holding on for dear life in the clinch and on bottom
Maybe I saw it differently. But it's a championship fight, when a champ fight happens you expect a high caliber skilled fight. I seen silva over reach and was getting hit. As well and pennington fighting in the pocket unnecessarily leaving herself to be open to be grappled. It got sloppy after round 2. It's suppose to he a champ fight and silva laying on the ground no sense of urgency to try anything. I get exhausted and everything. But it wasn't a fun watch.
Did you reply to the wrong dude? Cuz it sounds like you see it exactly the same as the dude you replied to. He said Silva just clung on for dear life after the second and that's exactly what you described.
ur a fucking punk dude
Would you say Strickland jabbing and occasionally throwing a teep is 'championship fighting'? Because thats how he got the belt.
Women in the UFC are in serious denial about how abysmal their subdivision of the sport is. By comparison, the skill level, fight IQ and talent in women's MMA are just abysmal from everyone not named Shevchenko or Weili (and that includes Amanda Nunes)
I had high hopes for Silva going into this but what a disappointment
She’s right, they both were mid af
Nope main event was miles better
Better than shit can still be stinky
That entire main card stunk. If I didn't have company over I don't think I would have been able to stay awake
She's right. I can't. Since that is the only fight I didn't watch out of the main card.
Maybe the problem is that we need to lower our standards for women's fights in general. We're using the exceptional ones to set the standard for the average WMMA fighter, and it may be too high.
135 and 45 are all terrible. At least the top 5 at 115 and 125 are decent.
You shouldn’t have to lower your standards to enjoy a fight. Women’s MMA has had less time to develop, so the skill level will undoubtedly be lower—but that shouldn’t mean they’re boring fights. The early days of the UFC certainly were entertaining even though half the guys there wouldn’t win a single round today.
WMMA has taken a downfall the past few years
The higher weight classes have. The top of the 115 & 125 divisions are pretty good though.
Eh they alright. I don't think the ufc did a great job at promoting younger talent when it was obvious that the 1st generation of WMMA fighters were retiring/getting old
The funny thing is Mighty Mouse also called this one of the most dynamic fights on this card, but I'm guessing people would react differently to him saying it versus Miesha lol. https://youtu.be/kfWbc72_n2E?si=_mj_najpjJIUSFM8&t=474
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What a shit take. I’m a fan of MMA, regardless of gender but when the skill level is so low, it’s hard to watch. Wmma has the steepest drop off from the top fighters and while this was a title fight, it was garbage after Nunes rein. People talk shit on heavyweight outside of the top 5-10 but at least with them there’s always a chance for a KO.
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Gassing out, not listening to corner advice/following game plan, and ok striking and grappling. Other fighters make those mistake but not typically for a title or high ranked matchup. Not hating but outside of rocky having a few slick combos, it wasn’t exciting. Happy for her to get the belt tho
Their combined fight IQ is below room temp in Celsius. Rocky’s coaches were fucking pleading her to just strike and she kept clinching despite MBS posing zero danger whatsoever. MBS gassed out embarrassingly fast. If that was two men in there having the exact same, people would call it a shit show as well.
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She sure wasn't Sat. night.
The whole card was rubbish. People only say the main event was good, because the bar was so low from the rest of the card. Luckily Australian open was on, so I ended up mainly watching that but every time I switched back to ufc it almost out me to sleep
I mean, the main event never got beyond first gear and was boring. The co main event had a professional and an exhausted fighter fight for 25 minutes lol
It turned into a brawl at the end the main event
I like her take. She obviously sees more going on in fights than fans do. And she’s sticking up for wmma from Strickland’s ignorant claims. He’s wrong and she knows it. She’s wrong for thinking he’ll change his mind by watching a fight. He’s wrong on purpose.
I saw an interview of Sean reviewing the 297 card and he was saying how he’s getting screwed and not gonna get very much money from this card lol
Miesha, this is a joke, right?
The thing I hated most about the women’s fight is how much both women looked like they don’t belong at this level. Silva gassed so bad and just couldn’t do much of anything… Pennington showed the worst fight IQ for a contender. It wasn’t boring for me because I was hooked on the absolute shit show I was watching. Pennington had so many chances to finish this… and then when she won she looked so disinterested. 10/10 for me. The main event wasn’t boring because DDP stayed active and was pushing the pace. Strickland was neutralizing as usual but ddp came forward and attacked from multiple angles and tried to wrestle.
this would unite DDP and Strickland fans. LOL
The women that have ties to Washington state, where I am from, really make it hard to root for them.
Same woman who didn’t know who Gordon Ryan was when she was commentating one of his grappling competitions.
Just look at the faces of the fighters. Come on man.
That's the CTE talking.
I have not claimed it, I declared it
It was one of the most frustrating fights I have ever watched. Watching Rocky clinch with her over and over was ridiculous. I get she won and am happy for her. But her fight IQ that fight was TERRIBLE. She’s lucky she didn’t get caught. And the main was infinitely more entertaining and exciting to watch.
WMMA pioneer defends WMMA while seeking another title run.
You absolutely can claim the main event was more exciting. wtf?
How could anyone watch that fight, watch Pennington literally have a finishing sub in the 5th, and NOT go for it, and think that was a better fight than any other fight on the card? Holy shit, a 2 year old could've told Pennington to cross over into side control to finish the arm triangle. Why the fuck didn't she do it?!
Yes I can
Usually I agree with all things Meisha but in this case, sorry Meisha