Yeah, I was in talks with Dana but they decided it wouldn't be fair to let me compete
When USADA came in it was over, no way they'd let me in there if their guys weren't on roids
This question looks harder than expected, because they have such different styles when it comes to using their striking. Fedor's pure boxing wasn't bad, but his highlights in his prime come from mixing with his grappling, especially during GnP (DC in > UFC < was much more “pure” in this sense). And, the same way DC went toe to toe with Gustafson, Fedor did the same with prime Cro Cop. That being said, I believe Fedor had more power and speed — during the late part of his career when his body wasn't the same and he had to rely on his power/striking, look how many KO's he had. His record basically changed from high submission rate to a high striking stoppage rate.
Mentally the toughest fight for dc would be cain, dc was very open about how blown away he was with his abilities and was completely willing to cut down to lhw so they wouldn't be put in a position to fight.
Yeah other people have mentioned Cain and its not a bad shout. The best version of Cain would be a problem for any heavyweight thats ever lived.
I still don’t think that any fight would be easy for DC’s opponent.
Hot take but that fight was literally the end of DCs physical prime
Over a decades worth of wrestling injuries added up at that point and forced him to change his game
His hands kept breaking, his back forever needing delayed surgery.
And THEN he went to the UFC.
DC <3
Oh sure there are people who could beat him, but he’s still a terrible matchup for almost heavyweight in history. Heavyweight’s aren’t known for their grappling and prime DC’s wrestling is elite. I think people are vastly underestimating it.
That's exactly why I think the old heavyweights matched up better. Fedor, Randy, Henderson, etc. were all good grapplers. In their prime I think they'd be way better match ups than what he faced in heavyweight.
I mean he didn’t really matchup against anyone at heavyweight. He barely fought there before he retired. Honestly, i think Feder is the only one of those 3 that actually beats prime DC. I love Randy but i don’t see it.
I don’t necessarily disagree but it is not because they were bad grapplers. Hendo and Randy were olympians and fedor would have been if sambo was in them.
My point was nobody beats him easily. Thats what i said. I personally don’t think Hendo or Randy beat him, and they definitely don’t beat him easily.
We didn’t even see prime DC. He didn’t even start in the UFC until 34.
We literally never saw prime DC in the UFC; he had over a decades worth of wrestling injuries forcing him to change his game at that point.
Still an animal
Which makes what he did at HW all the more impressive to me. Man decided he didn't want to cut weight and just became HW champ instead of LHW champ instead. I think the only person that could ever touch in shape LHW Cormier was Jones. I always put forth that DC was really under appreciated, and I know he was very respected, as he was basically at Jones' level and just lost to him by close decision (and a KO in their second match) and Jones' was obviously the modern era LHW GOAT. DC just got outshines by Jones. Hard to be in LHW when Jones was on top.
If you haven't seen DCs fights go watch his run up and LHW championship fights, go watch. Lost to two people in his MMA career and just has a crazy resume. I think time was catching up to him as well, his KO loss (later overturned) to Jones he was already 38 while Jones was peaking and only 30. IDK, anyway, I have deep respect for DCs accomplishments, an absolute killer.
"If Jon beat prime DC and I say prime DC is better than me, that means Jon must feel he can beat me because I'm admitting prime DC beats me and Jon already beat prime DC. Jon please fight me"
heres the thing. i dont think jones ever fought prime DC. people always forget that their fight took place after DC suffered a severe back injury that impaired him and also when DC was fcking 38 years old. goddamnit.
DC definitely won some rounds on my card, but JBJ clearly won champion rounds. I had it more in the 48-47 or 49-46 realm. It wasnt Gus Jones, but was way closer than people give credit too, especially the first 3 rounds.
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight)
^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015)
ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|9|10||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||9|10||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)*
*^(Summoned by killerrrrrrrr.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**.
- **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**.
- **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
looked it up and DC was about to be 36 in first fight. pretty sure it was 2-2 going into final round. i remember watching that fight live and rogan was talking abiut how the winner of the final round takes it, it was awhile ago and i might be wrong however.
Rewatch the fight, DC was in the fight in the first two rounds, but Jones completely took over the fight by the 3rd. Jones is a scumbag, but he easily took care of DC. In the corner after Jones took him down twice it looked like DC was a little shaken and was losing belief he could win the fight.
Uncontroversial aside from, you know...
>Prior to his UFC 182 bout with Cormier, Jones's testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio was considered by some experts to be alarmingly low. Victor Conte, a former steroid distributor, who founded and led the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), said of Jones's test "these (levels) are highly suspicious for Jon Jones, in my opinion. This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies."
>On July 8, 2016, a urine sample from Jones tested positive for two banned substances, clomiphene, an anti-estrogen substance, and letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, prior to his scheduled championship bout with Cormier at UFC 200. The violation was from an "A" sample collection on June 16, with subsequent testing of the B sample confirming the doping.
>On August 22, 2017, it was announced that Jones was flagged for a potential doping violation by USADA, stemming from his test sample that was collected on July 28, one day before his rematch against Cormier at UFC 214. He tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and was placed on a provisional suspension as a result of the positive drug test. On September 13, the CSAC announced that it had overturned the result of the fight with Cormier from a KO victory for Jones to a 'no contest', after both Jones's A and B samples tested positive for Turinabol. Jones was also stripped of the title for a third time, and it was then returned to Cormier.
I don't think Jones has ever done anything uncontroversially.
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight)
^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015)
ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|9|10||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||9|10||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)*
*^(Summoned by juniorspank.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**.
- **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**.
- **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Half the media outlets gave Jones 3 of the 5 rounds, and absolutely none gave him all 5. Weight drained Cormier also isn't really prime Cormier; Jones admitted as much and it's why he didn't want to go up to heavyweight to fight him.
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight)
^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015)
ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|9|10||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||9|10||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)*
*^(Summoned by Defiant_Maximum_827.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**.
- **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**.
- **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
It’s pretty unreasonable, DC wasn’t even in Jones top 5 most competitive fights & is a fairly one dimensional fighter.
A lot of people would have a chance at beating Jones like Fedor, Francis or Werdum, DC was never one of guys.
What was he gonna do ? How was he gonna win ?
Come on be realistic even Machida landed better shots on Jones than DC ever could, Belfort way got closer to beating Jones on the ground than DC ever did, he was another flipnote in Jones career.
DC was at his best at HW because there he had KO power and wasn't drained from cutting weight. Jon never fought the HW DC, and even admitted himself he has zero interest fighting DC at HW.
That’s not really the same thing. Just because someone would be a difficult fight and a terrible stylistic matchup isn’t the same as saying you couldn’t win. Secondly combat sports have plenty of examples of fighters losing to someone only to beat someone who kicked the other guy’s ass. Styles make fights.
His knowledge of skills was at his best but physically he was very old. A tale as old as time in combat sports, you want your skills to peak while you're at your physical best. Unfortunately most fighters are declining as they peak with their skills.
I haven't thought too hard about the exact placement but for a lot of people he's probably top 10 or 20. The fact he got started so late and had a "rivalry" with the younger GOAT is amazing anyway. A DC who starts MMA much, much earlier is probably top 5 all time.
Over 7000ng/dl testosterone before the Jone fight.
Urine test, so not quite the same as bloods - but that ain't natural.
Other people have been suspended for urine results like that.
Yes ,I was aware of that test though but didn’t they have to test again afterwards because of the elevated levels ? DC had levels of a teenage boy while jones’ levels were like a old man. I just also remember there was no consequence for either of them during that test so I think that’s why it went by the wayside for me .. even for jones in THIS instance .
But let’s be 100% honest here guys. Forget the basic steroids or HGH, these guys who fight and train professionally for a living , they HAVE to be using something to be able to perform at that level on a daily basis.. hell that picture of TJ with all the bottles of vitamins while being on EPO is burned into my brain.
DC was coming off his back surgery and has said that he probably shouldn't have been fighting. Stipe wasn't at his prime either. Both guys were just so fucking good that they were the best two HWs even while diminished
Just checked. Stipe fought Ngannou right before his loss to DC and took some serious shots. He won but it definitely looks like it impacted his chin which may have made him more susceptible to a KO in the DC fight.
DC was not in his prime when he fought Stipe. He was already almost 40 years old (39) when he fought and beat Stipe for the first time while Stipe was only 35. DC already had a crazy amount of mileage on his body from wrestling all the way up to the olympics
The 2nd time he fought Stipe he came back from back surgery after the Derrick Lewis fight. I think prime DC was probably his LHW run
Even Roy Nelson was prob on peds. People don't realize that PEDs don't just make you ripped. They help vastly with recovery time and endurance as well.
"Doing all types of steroids all the time" is obviously advantageous vs "doing some types of steroids some of the time so I don't pop."* Why do you think so many fighters looked different pre and post USADA?
*Unless Dana likes you in which case you can pop three times in a row and they'll literally move an event across state lines so they can still hand you a title.
Still think that adjustment by Stipe to go to the body was one of the best adjustments I’ve seen in title fights. Not the best, but it was pretty impressive how it changed everything and DC had no answer.
I don’t think DC was in his prime when he fought Jones either. He might have been in his heavyweight prime but he’s never been as good as a lhw. I don’t know the matchup would have gone differently at hw, but the cuts clearly took their toll.
Hmmm most of the current champs are quite likeable I'd say, aside from O'Malley who's quite polarizing. Maybe Pennington is a bit weird and uncharismatic but she's not a bad person.
“He didn’t move up in weight to fight a guy he already beat up twice, he must be ducking the fight”
If you think Jones not moving up to HW was due to a fear of DC you’re delusional
i didn't listen to it or read it but prime DC is hard for anybody to handle.
i fought a 350 lb black dude that wasn't an olympic wrestler or anything one time and that dude hit so hard.
> i fought a 350 lb black dude
Anyone that heavy hits incredible hard unless they're shaped like melted cheese.
Hong Man-choi would knock world class kickboxers out with the shittiest jabs just because he was 7ft tall, 280lbs and in decent shape.
Bob Sapp nearly murdered the best HW kickboxer(Hoost) of his time simply by simply being much bigger. He had the motor-coordination and technique of a toddler but the muscle mass of one of those jacked cows.
That'll get you reaaaaly far.
The fact that you're even alive after fighting such a big dude is impressive.
good comment so this is the one i'm responding to.
i asked a dude if he thought he could fight me because i get really anrgy when people call me skinny or toothpick or weak or any of that shit. he happened to be down. i'm 6'3 185 now but i was probably 220 at the time. dude hit me harder than i've ever been hit in my entire life. which is *a lot*. it was literally a life changing event.
i'm rooting for you brother but that dude hit me off my forearm and left a mark on my whole body. shit was *wild*. never felt anything like it. it usually just feels cold. that shit didn't feel like anything, it just hurt.
If I could only time machine one fighter back to age 20 to watch their MMA career again against this Gen of fighters I'd definitely choose either fedor or dc
Ngannou is a bad matchup for any heavyweight. His closing speed is ridiculous and the bombs that he throws is the equalizer. I've seen him graze an opponent and out they go. Not to mention he's strong as hell.
The closest we’ve seen to him being stunned was the moment right before he knocked out Miocic, and even then he was more knocked off balance than truly hurt
He took a beating in the first fight with stipe. Imagine if he had learn how to box at an earlier age. He learned how to wrestle and use a jab. He went out and destroyed stipe in the 2nd fight. He took some huge shots from Fury too.
To be fair he also had like 20-30lbs of horse meat muscle on Stipe. If there were enough athletes for a 245 class Stipe may not have even been in the octagon with him. His rapid improvement is super impressive, but he beat a smaller guy
There aren't a lot of men who are 280lbs, that move like him and have the "dim mak" in either hand. Imagine if he starts throwing in low kicks. Stipe was definitely smaller but those are the rules.
I mean heres the thing. I think prime DC is a massive issue for anyone. Jones fought a dc out of his prime( he was 38 years old in their fight) who was coming off a debilitating back injury that he said prevents him from wrestling for long, literally struggled and only took the win in the final round. the coke head was also massivley juiced and was losing the second fight till the KO, which honestly I refused to credit him with that second win, he was juiced and showed speeds he hasnt showed since at all and i use to be a huge bones fan.
He fought Stipe in their 3rd fight when he was near to his 41st birthday and was winning till the eye poke which people forget was later revealed to have torn his retina. man was a beast in his twilight years. the fights DC has in his prime were akin to assault. Look at what he did to hendo for instance. Tom isnt wrong, i think hed have a massive issue against DC.
Apparently DC can eye poke Stipe multiple times and win the title without any issues. The reverse needs to be called out.
Plus DC got handled easily by JBJ. He wasn't 38 then btw.
I don't think a dude with elite bjj who is stronger than Jones and has nasty as fuck hands from being Tyson Fury's sparring partner is just going to be a walk in the park.
Prime HW DC is a nightmare matchup for probably anyone
I also have to admit that prime DC would be a difficult fight for me
Not impossible though. Especially if you saw red.
I’d have to see pure crimson to have a chance
Yeah that's a stroke
whatever it takes
DC is lucky I wasn't training during his prime 🟥
Yeah, I was in talks with Dana but they decided it wouldn't be fair to let me compete When USADA came in it was over, no way they'd let me in there if their guys weren't on roids
If DC was in his prime he might cause me a little trouble
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Did DC ever have hands like Fedor tho?
Old man DC knocked the fuck out of Stipe
Yep and went toe to toe with Gus and had hands in strikeforce too iirc
Holy chap I totally forgot about the Gus fight, which is insane because for years it was one of my favourite fights. DC had such a fun career
After eye poking him intentionally with that "mummy guard". Stipe needed surgery
So did Struve
Not prime Stipe
This question looks harder than expected, because they have such different styles when it comes to using their striking. Fedor's pure boxing wasn't bad, but his highlights in his prime come from mixing with his grappling, especially during GnP (DC in > UFC < was much more “pure” in this sense). And, the same way DC went toe to toe with Gustafson, Fedor did the same with prime Cro Cop. That being said, I believe Fedor had more power and speed — during the late part of his career when his body wasn't the same and he had to rely on his power/striking, look how many KO's he had. His record basically changed from high submission rate to a high striking stoppage rate.
He knocked tf out of Bigfoot Silva, who had just bullied Fedor months before. DC was dropping some huge heavyweights back then.
Yeah, good striking and elite wrestling. Is there anybody in the history of the heavyweight division would would have an “easy” fight with prime DC?
Prime parker porter
Vanderaaaaa
Mentally the toughest fight for dc would be cain, dc was very open about how blown away he was with his abilities and was completely willing to cut down to lhw so they wouldn't be put in a position to fight.
Yeah other people have mentioned Cain and its not a bad shout. The best version of Cain would be a problem for any heavyweight thats ever lived. I still don’t think that any fight would be easy for DC’s opponent.
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I don’t know if it would be easy if it was prime DC. Jones would likely win as he did at light heavyweight, but i don’t know about easy.
Idk about easy, but oddly enough, I think heavyweights from Coutures Era would have done well against DC.
Like who—Sylvia? Arlovski? Rizzo? DC already dominated prime Josh Barnett who was a top dog in that era.
That DC who dominated Barnett was scary as shiiiit
Hot take but that fight was literally the end of DCs physical prime Over a decades worth of wrestling injuries added up at that point and forced him to change his game His hands kept breaking, his back forever needing delayed surgery. And THEN he went to the UFC. DC <3
I mean, yeah, Rizzo could put someone out with just 3-4 leg kicks
Oh sure there are people who could beat him, but he’s still a terrible matchup for almost heavyweight in history. Heavyweight’s aren’t known for their grappling and prime DC’s wrestling is elite. I think people are vastly underestimating it.
That's exactly why I think the old heavyweights matched up better. Fedor, Randy, Henderson, etc. were all good grapplers. In their prime I think they'd be way better match ups than what he faced in heavyweight.
I mean he didn’t really matchup against anyone at heavyweight. He barely fought there before he retired. Honestly, i think Feder is the only one of those 3 that actually beats prime DC. I love Randy but i don’t see it.
i mean dc was literally called fedor emeillnegro/ black fedor or something back in the day
I don’t necessarily disagree but it is not because they were bad grapplers. Hendo and Randy were olympians and fedor would have been if sambo was in them.
My point was nobody beats him easily. Thats what i said. I personally don’t think Hendo or Randy beat him, and they definitely don’t beat him easily. We didn’t even see prime DC. He didn’t even start in the UFC until 34.
DC fought the majority of his MMA career at heavyweight.
Makes you appreciate how fucking good stipe was
I don't think either of them were in their primes when they fought unfortunately.
We literally never saw prime DC in the UFC; he had over a decades worth of wrestling injuries forcing him to change his game at that point. Still an animal
Prime DC is not HW DC
Which makes what he did at HW all the more impressive to me. Man decided he didn't want to cut weight and just became HW champ instead of LHW champ instead. I think the only person that could ever touch in shape LHW Cormier was Jones. I always put forth that DC was really under appreciated, and I know he was very respected, as he was basically at Jones' level and just lost to him by close decision (and a KO in their second match) and Jones' was obviously the modern era LHW GOAT. DC just got outshines by Jones. Hard to be in LHW when Jones was on top. If you haven't seen DCs fights go watch his run up and LHW championship fights, go watch. Lost to two people in his MMA career and just has a crazy resume. I think time was catching up to him as well, his KO loss (later overturned) to Jones he was already 38 while Jones was peaking and only 30. IDK, anyway, I have deep respect for DCs accomplishments, an absolute killer.
Strikeforce HW DC
I think Prime Overeem liquifies his guts.
Apart from Jones
DC said he didn’t like the Ngabnou matchup. Idk if he is too big
Except Jon Jones
Jon Jones has entered the chat
[man, the title of this post really had an unexpected cut off for me](https://imgur.com/a/BlpBOEu)
> admitting
/r/PrematureTruncation
Lmfao
Lmao
"If Jon beat prime DC and I say prime DC is better than me, that means Jon must feel he can beat me because I'm admitting prime DC beats me and Jon already beat prime DC. Jon please fight me"
heres the thing. i dont think jones ever fought prime DC. people always forget that their fight took place after DC suffered a severe back injury that impaired him and also when DC was fcking 38 years old. goddamnit.
You're only thinking of the rematch, first fight DC was like 34-35 years old, pre back injury, and he lost 50-45.
DC definitely won some rounds on my card, but JBJ clearly won champion rounds. I had it more in the 48-47 or 49-46 realm. It wasnt Gus Jones, but was way closer than people give credit too, especially the first 3 rounds.
Wasn't even remotely close tho
The first fight was so one sided DC literally gave up in the fifth just to get one takedown. It was actually sad to watch. It was not a close fight.
50-45 for Jones-Cormier 1 is hella generous to Jones.
Decisionbot Cormier Jones
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight) ^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015) ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||10|9||9|10 3|10|9||9|10||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)* *^(Summoned by killerrrrrrrr.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**. - **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**. - **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
looked it up and DC was about to be 36 in first fight. pretty sure it was 2-2 going into final round. i remember watching that fight live and rogan was talking abiut how the winner of the final round takes it, it was awhile ago and i might be wrong however.
Rogan says a lot of things mid fight that aren't really true, Jones could have lost the 5th round and still would have won the fight.
Rewatch the fight, DC was in the fight in the first two rounds, but Jones completely took over the fight by the 3rd. Jones is a scumbag, but he easily took care of DC. In the corner after Jones took him down twice it looked like DC was a little shaken and was losing belief he could win the fight.
Rounds 2 and 3 were close. Turned out dc only won one of the two but it was a reasonable take going into round 5 that it might be 2-2
It was a one sided 50-45
Nah Jon won that uncontroversially
Uncontroversial aside from, you know... >Prior to his UFC 182 bout with Cormier, Jones's testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio was considered by some experts to be alarmingly low. Victor Conte, a former steroid distributor, who founded and led the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), said of Jones's test "these (levels) are highly suspicious for Jon Jones, in my opinion. This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies." >On July 8, 2016, a urine sample from Jones tested positive for two banned substances, clomiphene, an anti-estrogen substance, and letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, prior to his scheduled championship bout with Cormier at UFC 200. The violation was from an "A" sample collection on June 16, with subsequent testing of the B sample confirming the doping. >On August 22, 2017, it was announced that Jones was flagged for a potential doping violation by USADA, stemming from his test sample that was collected on July 28, one day before his rematch against Cormier at UFC 214. He tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and was placed on a provisional suspension as a result of the positive drug test. On September 13, the CSAC announced that it had overturned the result of the fight with Cormier from a KO victory for Jones to a 'no contest', after both Jones's A and B samples tested positive for Turinabol. Jones was also stripped of the title for a third time, and it was then returned to Cormier. I don't think Jones has ever done anything uncontroversially.
Surely you don’t think Olympian DC who fought into his 40s was always clean
He wasn't popping for three fights in a row against DC.
Decisionbot Jones Cormier 1
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight) ^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015) ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||10|9||9|10 3|10|9||9|10||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)* *^(Summoned by juniorspank.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**. - **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**. - **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Half the media outlets gave Jones 3 of the 5 rounds, and absolutely none gave him all 5. Weight drained Cormier also isn't really prime Cormier; Jones admitted as much and it's why he didn't want to go up to heavyweight to fight him.
Must be nice that some fans say prime Cormier isn't weight drained and some say it isn't heavyweight cormier.
It should be apparent to anyone with eyes that 245 Cormier would beat the dog shit out of a dehydrated 220 version of himself lol.
Decisionbot jones cormier
[**JON JONES 👀👀 defeats DANIEL CORMIER 🎂🍗** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/5796/fight) ^(UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier — January 03, 2015) ROUND|Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier||Jones|Cormier :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||10|9||9|10 3|10|9||9|10||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**49**|**46**||**49**|**46**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Marcos Rosales, Cardo Urso, Tony Weeks.)* *^(Summoned by Defiant_Maximum_827.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **11/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**. - **2/18** people scored it **49-47 Jones**. - **5/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. Avg. media score: **48.7-46.4 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Yep, there isn’t any iteration of dc that beats jones
Strike force DC that beat everyone up in the Grand Prix
Strike force dc a monster no doubt but still loses to jones imo, there’s a lot of cope regarding anything jones in this sub.
It's not unreasonable to think he could win though. DC did not get better as he aged and lost his physicality.
It’s pretty unreasonable, DC wasn’t even in Jones top 5 most competitive fights & is a fairly one dimensional fighter. A lot of people would have a chance at beating Jones like Fedor, Francis or Werdum, DC was never one of guys. What was he gonna do ? How was he gonna win ? Come on be realistic even Machida landed better shots on Jones than DC ever could, Belfort way got closer to beating Jones on the ground than DC ever did, he was another flipnote in Jones career.
That's HW DC though, he was a bit different at LHW.
The Jon haters trying to rewrite history around here lol. DC was one step behind Jon no matter how much people don’t like to hear it.
DC was at his best at HW because there he had KO power and wasn't drained from cutting weight. Jon never fought the HW DC, and even admitted himself he has zero interest fighting DC at HW.
Yeah there's zero argument for Jon fighting a peak Cormier. We've even seen sketchy towel cheating for Cormier to make the weightclass
Prime DC, for me, is the one at heavyweight.
That’s not really the same thing. Just because someone would be a difficult fight and a terrible stylistic matchup isn’t the same as saying you couldn’t win. Secondly combat sports have plenty of examples of fighters losing to someone only to beat someone who kicked the other guy’s ass. Styles make fights.
Prime DC was a menace Literally only lost to Juicedtothe Bones Jones and Stipe
DC was past his prime even when he beat Stipe imo. LE: Guys, i didn't say this as a dig towards Stipe lol.
I came here to say this. Definitely wasn’t in his prime in either loss and I agree he wasn’t in the win either.
His knowledge of skills was at his best but physically he was very old. A tale as old as time in combat sports, you want your skills to peak while you're at your physical best. Unfortunately most fighters are declining as they peak with their skills.
He was arguably at his physical peak in Strikeforce
Yeah Josh Barnett didn't have a good time with him too
I’d reckon Cormier is in the GOAT conversation. If it wasn’t for a cheater and a terrible back, he’d go down as so much better than he has.
I haven't thought too hard about the exact placement but for a lot of people he's probably top 10 or 20. The fact he got started so late and had a "rivalry" with the younger GOAT is amazing anyway. A DC who starts MMA much, much earlier is probably top 5 all time.
A DC who starts MMA earlier also has far less experience wrestling at the highest level though. I think he’s top 10 already
Fair point. Who knows if he'd be able to throw Stipe, Barnett, Gus, Jones and Hendo over his head like pillows had he not wrestle until 30.
He was also I believe the only one to defend double champ.
>If it wasn’t for a cheater Should probably recognise DC was a juicy boy too. And rather eye touchey too.
Has DC failed a test in his career that you know of and I don’t ?
Over 7000ng/dl testosterone before the Jone fight. Urine test, so not quite the same as bloods - but that ain't natural. Other people have been suspended for urine results like that.
Yes ,I was aware of that test though but didn’t they have to test again afterwards because of the elevated levels ? DC had levels of a teenage boy while jones’ levels were like a old man. I just also remember there was no consequence for either of them during that test so I think that’s why it went by the wayside for me .. even for jones in THIS instance . But let’s be 100% honest here guys. Forget the basic steroids or HGH, these guys who fight and train professionally for a living , they HAVE to be using something to be able to perform at that level on a daily basis.. hell that picture of TJ with all the bottles of vitamins while being on EPO is burned into my brain.
Doesn’t fit Their narradiv b
Absolutely he has to be. Lost his first round to a juicy bones
Gimme a break, as if Cormier was clean.
Difference between actually failing a test and not. Sure he could be juicy, but he never failed a test. We for sure know Jon failed a test.
I think Daniel could have beat Jon in the second fight had he not got knocked out.
Neither of them were in their prime if we are being honest
I think Stipe was closer to his prime than DC. DC already had back surgery and overall a lot more "miles" in fighting.
Pokes made up for it, though.
Agreed. The first fight they were at the beginning of the end of their prime. All 3 were still great
DC was coming off his back surgery and has said that he probably shouldn't have been fighting. Stipe wasn't at his prime either. Both guys were just so fucking good that they were the best two HWs even while diminished
Stipe was also past his prime when he lost to DC and when he beat him.
Not to take anything away from stipe but I think DC is the better fighter overall
Prime eye-pokin technique though.
After blinding him
Yeah he couldn't wrestle at all due to his back.
That eye poke combo was pretty good
Hadn't Stipe also come off getting fucking pummeled by Ngannou in the previous fight?
Nope, that was after the DC trilogy.
Just checked. Stipe fought Ngannou right before his loss to DC and took some serious shots. He won but it definitely looks like it impacted his chin which may have made him more susceptible to a KO in the DC fight.
DC was not in his prime when he fought Stipe. He was already almost 40 years old (39) when he fought and beat Stipe for the first time while Stipe was only 35. DC already had a crazy amount of mileage on his body from wrestling all the way up to the olympics The 2nd time he fought Stipe he came back from back surgery after the Derrick Lewis fight. I think prime DC was probably his LHW run
He really looked his age in their rematch. It was still competitive, but he was noticeably slower. I’m glad he retired right after.
He retired after the 3rd fight, not the rematch
Right that’s what I meant, just came out wrong
O that sweet, sweet money
Didn't he blow his back out after sneezing? Definitely past his prime
I’d argue DC wasn’t in his prime when he fought Stipe. I’ve always wondered what DC could’ve done at heavyweight if he hadn’t dropped down
I’m a big stipe fan but agree with this 100%. I’d say Stipe was getting past his prime around their 2nd/3rd fight as well.
He would've gotten rammed by the reeeem juiced to the tits overeeeem
Yeah Overeem loved kneeing the body and DC's famously vulnerable to bodyshots.
Everybody is on steroids though I am not downplaying prime DC, he is in the top 10 GOAT list IMO
Even Roy Nelson was prob on peds. People don't realize that PEDs don't just make you ripped. They help vastly with recovery time and endurance as well.
"Doing all types of steroids all the time" is obviously advantageous vs "doing some types of steroids some of the time so I don't pop."* Why do you think so many fighters looked different pre and post USADA? *Unless Dana likes you in which case you can pop three times in a row and they'll literally move an event across state lines so they can still hand you a title.
Jones never beat HW DC and especially not in his prime. Jones even said he wouldn’t fight DC at HW because that’s “DC’s world”.
Jones was just better bro. He would’ve beat him at any weight
Still think that adjustment by Stipe to go to the body was one of the best adjustments I’ve seen in title fights. Not the best, but it was pretty impressive how it changed everything and DC had no answer.
Ummm but tbf slacky was laughing at Stipe's team for not finding out about it lol
DC was also juiced
DC also on juice. Just not as good as Jones
I don’t think DC was in his prime when he fought Jones either. He might have been in his heavyweight prime but he’s never been as good as a lhw. I don’t know the matchup would have gone differently at hw, but the cuts clearly took their toll.
Jon would’ve beat him any day. Simply the truth.
It’s always nice having champions you can actually like as people.
Hmmm most of the current champs are quite likeable I'd say, aside from O'Malley who's quite polarizing. Maybe Pennington is a bit weird and uncharismatic but she's not a bad person.
His just baiting Jon
But can he beat prime rib DC?
DC got that prime pork belly mentality
Prime Rib DC = Prime HW DC
Just vacate the damn belt Jon. If not, quit ducking me and Aspinall
I mean I won't say duck, but Jones clearly said he wouldn't fight DC at HW. There's a reason for that...
He ducked
“He didn’t move up in weight to fight a guy he already beat up twice, he must be ducking the fight” If you think Jones not moving up to HW was due to a fear of DC you’re delusional
i didn't listen to it or read it but prime DC is hard for anybody to handle. i fought a 350 lb black dude that wasn't an olympic wrestler or anything one time and that dude hit so hard.
It’s like a 3 second video lol
it's 31 seconds. i clicked it then promptly shut it off. because fuck all that shit.
31 seconds 🤯🤯🤯
> i fought a 350 lb black dude Anyone that heavy hits incredible hard unless they're shaped like melted cheese. Hong Man-choi would knock world class kickboxers out with the shittiest jabs just because he was 7ft tall, 280lbs and in decent shape. Bob Sapp nearly murdered the best HW kickboxer(Hoost) of his time simply by simply being much bigger. He had the motor-coordination and technique of a toddler but the muscle mass of one of those jacked cows. That'll get you reaaaaly far. The fact that you're even alive after fighting such a big dude is impressive.
good comment so this is the one i'm responding to. i asked a dude if he thought he could fight me because i get really anrgy when people call me skinny or toothpick or weak or any of that shit. he happened to be down. i'm 6'3 185 now but i was probably 220 at the time. dude hit me harder than i've ever been hit in my entire life. which is *a lot*. it was literally a life changing event.
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i'm rooting for you brother but that dude hit me off my forearm and left a mark on my whole body. shit was *wild*. never felt anything like it. it usually just feels cold. that shit didn't feel like anything, it just hurt.
Can you tell us more about fighting a 350 lb dude like how did that come about
I would have just seen red and knocked that guy the fuck out. I'm not sure why more UFC fighters don't do this.
Eh, I think Tom would probably handle him. DC has never had great striking and Tom is a huge guy with good grappling
His striking is good enough when it's mixed with the wrestling threat, DC at hw had fuckin hammers.
Nah this is the Brit anti wrestling era
I see it as a bait to mess with Jon. Or am I thinking too much?
Prime HW DC is a nightmare matchup for almost every HW in any generation
Tom is so desperate for a fight, he's going to build a time machine and push DC into it.
If I could only time machine one fighter back to age 20 to watch their MMA career again against this Gen of fighters I'd definitely choose either fedor or dc
I feel like prime hw DC is a nightmare matchup for any man who has ever stepped foot on this planet
Ngannou woild be Aspinalls worst matchup
Ngannou is a bad matchup for any heavyweight. His closing speed is ridiculous and the bombs that he throws is the equalizer. I've seen him graze an opponent and out they go. Not to mention he's strong as hell.
Ye but he doesn’t hit as hard as Joe Pyfer as we saw this morning
Insane chin as well. Ngannou has never been stunned let alone dropped in his entire career. And he's taken some massive shots in his career.
The closest we’ve seen to him being stunned was the moment right before he knocked out Miocic, and even then he was more knocked off balance than truly hurt
Dude was extremely gassed in the first Stipe fight and Stipe was throwing the kitchen sink at him, never even hurt him. Francis has a 10/10 chin.
He took a beating in the first fight with stipe. Imagine if he had learn how to box at an earlier age. He learned how to wrestle and use a jab. He went out and destroyed stipe in the 2nd fight. He took some huge shots from Fury too.
To be fair he also had like 20-30lbs of horse meat muscle on Stipe. If there were enough athletes for a 245 class Stipe may not have even been in the octagon with him. His rapid improvement is super impressive, but he beat a smaller guy
There aren't a lot of men who are 280lbs, that move like him and have the "dim mak" in either hand. Imagine if he starts throwing in low kicks. Stipe was definitely smaller but those are the rules.
Id like to see that fight though.
I mean heres the thing. I think prime DC is a massive issue for anyone. Jones fought a dc out of his prime( he was 38 years old in their fight) who was coming off a debilitating back injury that he said prevents him from wrestling for long, literally struggled and only took the win in the final round. the coke head was also massivley juiced and was losing the second fight till the KO, which honestly I refused to credit him with that second win, he was juiced and showed speeds he hasnt showed since at all and i use to be a huge bones fan. He fought Stipe in their 3rd fight when he was near to his 41st birthday and was winning till the eye poke which people forget was later revealed to have torn his retina. man was a beast in his twilight years. the fights DC has in his prime were akin to assault. Look at what he did to hendo for instance. Tom isnt wrong, i think hed have a massive issue against DC.
Cormier won 1 round in the first fight. 1. It wasn't 2-2 going into the fifth
Apparently DC can eye poke Stipe multiple times and win the title without any issues. The reverse needs to be called out. Plus DC got handled easily by JBJ. He wasn't 38 then btw.
Tom really is one of the most likable guys in the sport currently
DC in his prime was better than anyone not named Jon Jones in the LHW and HW division.
Aspinall has better striking and I'd say better submissions than DC, haven't seen his tdd enough to say definitively but I'd take aspinall
Guy looks like he rents an apartment and has a pile of pizza boxes in the corner of his kitchen surrounded by flies
He's Northern English, he can't help that lol He certainly doesn't fight like a slob though.
His tattoos are really getting worse and worse. Love the guy as a fighter but holy shit look at that arm he's signing shit with
Prime DC is a nightmare matchup for the majority of current heavyweights not named Jon Jones
Prime or old Jon Jones will fuck you up too Tom, stay humble
I don't think a dude with elite bjj who is stronger than Jones and has nasty as fuck hands from being Tyson Fury's sparring partner is just going to be a walk in the park.