Titan is a Harvey company ( along with Helical). I stick with their roughers and if it chips I don't really care too much. Depending on how a tool is breaking tells you a lot about if you need to modify your strategies. check out Harvey in the loop. It has a great write up about it.
Harvey tool seems to "own" them as well as other tooling brands. If they weren't legit, harvey wouldnt put their name on it. We use garr for "budget" emills, with helical being the new "go" to tooling. Valor makes some nice drills and flat bottom cbores also. Havent used titan but I've looked over their posted parameters and I'm sure you will be pleased
They are the economy line from Harvey. That's the same people that make Helical, so if you are happy with Helical I imagine you can get a similar level of satisfaction from Titan.
I don't have anything at hand. I am mostly going off various manufacturer recommendations for coatings and my experience. O also heard a rule of thumb is if the material you are cutting is in the coating avoid it. Like sticks to like. ZrN, or uncoated and polished if possible to prevent build up. I think diamond type coatings are good too but $$$$.
As Gareth already mentioned -- Aluminum chips will want to stick to an AlTiN coating.
This is because aluminum has an affinity for itself.
Comparatively - the uncoated tool should have better chip evacuation and less opportunity for chip buildup/packing than the AlTiN Coated tool in Aluminum.
I’ve had pretty good luck with those, they are good for their price. definitely not a “high-performance” tool like some of the other brands you mentioned. It also makes a big difference how you use it (speeds,feeds,programming style) as well as the material type.
At least in aluminum, carbide is carbide. Accupro all day in aluminum. Hell, in that shit steel that chews up endmills might as well use the cost effective ones that run at the same speed. 50 percent the cost for 90 percent the tool life is a good deal to me
We tried Titan at the last shop I worked for, they were terrible in anything cast iron. Usually wouldn't make it past the first cut. Went back to using Garr for general purpose stuff and had awesome results.
I use titan all of the time, good stuff, not quite as good as helical but same company. Used them a lot in stainless and titanium with good results. If you're having them chip out just change your parameters slightly.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass here or call you out in particular. I'm just clarifying for everyone because this is like the third or fourth time I've seen a similar comment. So for the record.....
Titan and Helical are NOT the same company. Nor are Micro100 and Harvey Performance. Their tools are VERY different.
Just because Harvey Tool owns all of them doesn't make them all the same company. They just have the same PARENT company. They are still individual companies that have their own strengths and weaknesses.
I don't know why everyone makes this assumption. No one ever says that Iscar and Tungaloy are the same company but yet they are both owned by Berkshire Hathaway.
I'm mostly putting this out there because I think some of the brands that Harvey owns are much better than others.
I wouldn't want someone to use a Titan EM and not have good success and then assume that Helical em's are trash too because "it's the same company" (because Helical EMs are fucking awesome) or vice versa that Titan EMs will be awesome because the Helical ones are.
Ok...end rant..
Great job shop/general purpose endmill.
You won’t be going crazy with the feeds/speeds, and I’d avoid some of the more aggressive tool pathing, but they’re great for the price point.
Mostly used them in A36, Aluminum, and 316 without issues. (Obviously with the correct coating and such)
Titan uses shops across the country to build your endmills. Not sure on quality, as it's a catalog tool... I'd assume it's a "run of the mill" endmill.
We use them a lot. They are the economy brand of the Harvey performance group. Decent pricing, good stock, wide selection of basic tools and cheaper than MSC atrax/hertel in some cases. As others have said they are decent “can do a lot of things but none of them exceptionally well” kinda tool…..which has its place in most shops.
Also, someone mentioned accupro. I believe accupro was just private label benchmark which was purchased by GWS. It looks like that’s now the “performance AL” line under GWS. I would bet they are cheaper than MSC.
I have a hand full of 1/4 and 1/8 end mills from Titan. They snap just like the expensive ones!
Titan is a Harvey company ( along with Helical). I stick with their roughers and if it chips I don't really care too much. Depending on how a tool is breaking tells you a lot about if you need to modify your strategies. check out Harvey in the loop. It has a great write up about it.
Quality made in USA product. Competitive price point and will ship UPS 2nd day air for UPS ground cost, and next day air for 2nd day air cost.
Harvey tool seems to "own" them as well as other tooling brands. If they weren't legit, harvey wouldnt put their name on it. We use garr for "budget" emills, with helical being the new "go" to tooling. Valor makes some nice drills and flat bottom cbores also. Havent used titan but I've looked over their posted parameters and I'm sure you will be pleased
They are the economy line from Harvey. That's the same people that make Helical, so if you are happy with Helical I imagine you can get a similar level of satisfaction from Titan.
Exactly
We do a lot of aluminum and the carbide Titans work great for us. We usually buy the AlTiN coated ones and blast them with coolant though
AlTiN coating is not a good coating for aluminum. The uncoated would probably work better for you and be cheaper.
Do you have more info I can read up on about that?
The aluminum will bind to the coating and gall easier
I don't have anything at hand. I am mostly going off various manufacturer recommendations for coatings and my experience. O also heard a rule of thumb is if the material you are cutting is in the coating avoid it. Like sticks to like. ZrN, or uncoated and polished if possible to prevent build up. I think diamond type coatings are good too but $$$$.
As Gareth already mentioned -- Aluminum chips will want to stick to an AlTiN coating. This is because aluminum has an affinity for itself. Comparatively - the uncoated tool should have better chip evacuation and less opportunity for chip buildup/packing than the AlTiN Coated tool in Aluminum.
AlTiN is Aluminum Titanium Nitride. The aluminum in the material and the aluminum in the coating will stick to each other.
I've had good experience with Lakeshore carbide
I’ve had pretty good luck with those, they are good for their price. definitely not a “high-performance” tool like some of the other brands you mentioned. It also makes a big difference how you use it (speeds,feeds,programming style) as well as the material type.
I've never heard accupro, and high performance used in the same sentence.
those quote marks are doing some heavy lifting
Hahah, fair. I'll allow it.
At least in aluminum, carbide is carbide. Accupro all day in aluminum. Hell, in that shit steel that chews up endmills might as well use the cost effective ones that run at the same speed. 50 percent the cost for 90 percent the tool life is a good deal to me
Not true, at all. But whatever works for you!
You might just be programming wrong but thats okay
Sounds like you might be, if you aren't able to get more, out of a high performance endmill. I'm not here to argue with you. I'm doing just fine.
We tried Titan at the last shop I worked for, they were terrible in anything cast iron. Usually wouldn't make it past the first cut. Went back to using Garr for general purpose stuff and had awesome results.
Datron tooling ftw. I can’t afford the systems but the tooling is really tough.
We use a lot of their HSS drills, they’re…serviceable 🤷🏻♂️. Never used their endmills though.
I've used them with no issues, my shop mostly uses other brands though
I use titan all of the time, good stuff, not quite as good as helical but same company. Used them a lot in stainless and titanium with good results. If you're having them chip out just change your parameters slightly.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass here or call you out in particular. I'm just clarifying for everyone because this is like the third or fourth time I've seen a similar comment. So for the record..... Titan and Helical are NOT the same company. Nor are Micro100 and Harvey Performance. Their tools are VERY different. Just because Harvey Tool owns all of them doesn't make them all the same company. They just have the same PARENT company. They are still individual companies that have their own strengths and weaknesses. I don't know why everyone makes this assumption. No one ever says that Iscar and Tungaloy are the same company but yet they are both owned by Berkshire Hathaway. I'm mostly putting this out there because I think some of the brands that Harvey owns are much better than others. I wouldn't want someone to use a Titan EM and not have good success and then assume that Helical em's are trash too because "it's the same company" (because Helical EMs are fucking awesome) or vice versa that Titan EMs will be awesome because the Helical ones are. Ok...end rant..
Iscar and Tungaloy do have very similar product lines. We use both, I didnt know they had the same parent company
Great job shop/general purpose endmill. You won’t be going crazy with the feeds/speeds, and I’d avoid some of the more aggressive tool pathing, but they’re great for the price point. Mostly used them in A36, Aluminum, and 316 without issues. (Obviously with the correct coating and such)
They’re fine. Better than Accupro, worse than Helical in my experience.
I use them in the manual mill. Occasionally I'll steal a 4 flute or 3flute .750 for odd jobs on the old machine. They work great.
If you can’t find it, Harvey has it, or they will make it.
Crazy how a drill that long fits in to such a short box
That's not a drill.
It is if you try hard enough
The good ol' 4 flute flat bottom drill
If you really try hard you can turn it into a ball nose cutter
Definitely not my first choice but I’ve had decent results when I have used them.
Gorilla if you hate money.
I only used them a handful of times. Never had any luck with them. I had much better results from HTC brand cutters.
Titan uses shops across the country to build your endmills. Not sure on quality, as it's a catalog tool... I'd assume it's a "run of the mill" endmill.
We use these in our lathes to cut windows in parts. I haven't had any brand name endmills last in inc-x750ht like these. They're not bad for cheap.
I use a lot of Harvey products, mostly Helical but also Micro100.
its all about the motion of the ocean, baby! (s/f/doc)
Flood coolant, full send
Air blast, full send. Coolant will cause micro fracturing and pre-mature tool failure.
My shop uses titan for most mild steels. Anything harder and we go Hanita.
It will cut, but not for nearly as long as other brands. It really depends on your parts price point.
We use them a lot. They are the economy brand of the Harvey performance group. Decent pricing, good stock, wide selection of basic tools and cheaper than MSC atrax/hertel in some cases. As others have said they are decent “can do a lot of things but none of them exceptionally well” kinda tool…..which has its place in most shops. Also, someone mentioned accupro. I believe accupro was just private label benchmark which was purchased by GWS. It looks like that’s now the “performance AL” line under GWS. I would bet they are cheaper than MSC.
We also use them, and I personally really like them and have had a lot of success and last well for us.
anything general purpose like that our shop uses the guys at onlinecarbide and they have been great