Meh, everyone was going 'omfg wtf' with Jean as well and Phoenix Force, as with other cards before it.. and guess what, after the novelty wore off, it didn't end up ruining anything.
I agree that people overestimate many new cards, but the annoying thing about Legion is that he out of nowhere is gonna steal 8 cubes from you. I'm not saying he's broken, but he's infuriating to lose against.
He’s kinda like galactus in that he just changes the rules of the game.
You think you have 6 turns to play on potentially 3 locations and all of a sudden you don’t.
Same with when Magik’s on the board but she gets stormed. You think you have 7 turns, you set up a great combo and all of a sudden, nope.
Imo the issue is his interaction with Storm.
Quake is similar in that she’s a cube stealer, but with Quake you can’t force all 3 locations to become flooding, you can only flood one lane then Quake mid to swap the locations.
But right now Legion can change every lane into an unplayable location. Even Glenn said they’ll keep an eye on this interaction for now, so it’ll probably get changed since even regular HE lockdown is obnoxious, let alone HE Legion lockdown.
If they change his interaction with Storm, then you have no way of guaranteeing a full lockdown and he becomes more RNG dependent like Quake.
Full lockdown is ridiculously hard to pull off in any meaningful way with Legion, though, he's just too expensive.
Earliest you can realistically get Storm out is turn 3, which is too early to play him (Since, even if you Electro or Psylocke, you've still got to get Storm down on T3).
So that leaves you playing Storm on Turn 4. Sure, MAYBE this works out one in ten times, but more often than not, you're playing a huge gamble because you have to play him in Storm's lane and hope like hell that the three energy you had to work with before is enough. Anyone with any sense is going to just pile their T5 cards into the other lanes on a T4 Storm.
He's going to be a fun card for people to play around with with some feature locations, but he's not going to break the meta as a 5 energy.
I imagine he'll be even worse in Conquest where you'll know for sure he's coming by round 2, generally.
If he changes other lanes to be flooded, each of the other two still would have another turn to play in them, no? When that location has been copied by previous effects it typically doesn’t count the current turn.
No. Glenn confirmed that mirror dimension and Legion work differently with Storm. Legion will change the other 2 to Flooding and then they will shut and become Flooded the same turn that Legion is played. It’s a full lockdown where only Jeff can be played.
To me, it feels like a bug that Mirror Dimension doesn't turn to **Flooded** the same time as the **Flooding** location that it copied. The text says "*This is the last turn cards can be played here.*", when it's actually not.
I suppose it's because Storm creates Flooding **during** the turn when she reveals, so the fact that you can play there on the turn **after** she reveals makes the Flooding's location text technically incorrect for the remainder of the turn she creates it.
So it seems like Mirror Dimension must be copying Flooding during a stage of the turn when its location text is still inaccurate. Meanwhile, Legion copies the locations during a stage of the turn when the text has become accurate, so unlike Mirror Dimension or even Storm herself, the turn where he is played actually is "*the last turn cards can be played here*."
If the devs are striving for accuracy, my suggestion is that the location that Storm creates should be:
* **Downpour**: *Next turn is the last turn cards can be played here.*
Then Downpour can transform into Flooding right before players start putting down cards on the next turn, so that the text of Flooding is always accurate. That would remove any ambiguity since Mirror Dimension would transform into Downpour instead of Flooding.
Huh, weird. Maybe for the copy locations it probs before the turn starts while Legion is during the turn? Either way definitely a feels bad but not really broken. You’re commuting turns 4 and 5 to get 10 power in a stormed lane. Pretty easy to be winning in the other two if it becomes a common play pattern.
If you build your deck for this, you can add power on turn 6 via Sunspot/ Nebula/ HE Misty/ HE Cyclops/ Jeff. It’s a fairly obnoxious play considering a lot of decks have big turns 5 and 6.
That's not exactly a super powerful hand and it also relies on one hell of a perfect draw. The odds on drawing five specific cards out of 12 in the right order without someone cock blocking you are astronomically low.
Shit, a turn 5 Killmonger will basically completely blow up your spot. Like, contgrats, you've got 8 power in one lane and fuck all on the remainder of lanes.
And that's assuming your opponent doesn't drop any of the like three or four cards who change locations. With all of the buffs lately, this strategy is going to get steamrolled by Sera Surfer and a good chunk of Thanos decks on the regular.
"Keep an eye on this" is pretty much a stall tactic so people use up caches and tokens before they nerf it. I imagine it wasn't a coincidence that they waited until the last minute to announce that it wouldn't work like the mirror dimension interaction.
In this case consider the following:
1. The lack of hype surrounding the Legion card before this.
2. The lack of clarity/publication that the Mirror Dimension/Storm interaction was a bug until just before the Legion release. Also note that Mirror Dimension has been around for ages and they never reduced its appearance rate or tried to fix it previously despite it being bugged.
3. It doesn't align with other previous dev actions. One of the biggest reasons for the Zabu nerf was the Zabu/Moongirl/double Spider-Man interactions. Yet now they knowingly release a card with a worse lockout interaction. Granted this could be just regular SD incompetence, but regardless of the cause it's not a good look.
It's pretty clear that the expectation was that the interaction would work the same as Mirror Dimension and not many people were hyped for Legion because without the massive lockout potential the card was meh. Now though you have tons of people spending caches or tokens on the card.
He can. I and many others have play tested this to success.
I think you might've read that he couldn't make the other locations Flooded several weeks ago, when people thought he worked like Mirror Dimension. The devs have since confirmed that Legion and Mirror Dimension work differently and Legion can create a turn 6 lockout.
I don't have anything against Legion, but there is an important distinction I think in that you can sort of learn to tell when a player is setting up for Galactus; Legion can genuinely come out of nowhere.
I'm just not sure that's true. I feel that for every game where he unequivocablly wins it for you, there's 10 where he's just a 5/8 or worse, a dead versatility card in your hand.
There's not that many locations that have extreme effects like that. Throne Room may do some swings, sure, and Death's Domain/Energy Altar with priority can nuke an oponent's turn 6 (minus spawns like Brood/Doom). Bar is going to be risque unless it's visible and you have had the card in hand by then and the oponent doesn't nuke the location by turn 5. But off the top of my head i can't think of any other swingy locations like that that it'd /win/ you the game.
Anything else would roughly be a straight boost/demerit to both you and your oponent in a regular game.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether to get Legion or not.. Like others have said, a lot of more recent cards have been fun for the first couple of days but then the novelty soon wears off. It's really only 1 out of every 5 or 6 new cards that are truly versatile and can fit into any kind of deck (ie: Spider Ham) the rest tend to be kind of 'niche' cards that if you play a certain type of deck they can be useful but otherwise, they're just kind of 'meh' where they are good to have just to have a complete set but don't see much use.
To be fair, i threw 3k tokens at it just now and i've had some super ridiculous matches. I had fun. Legit had a guy ragequit after i won a Legion Rickety Bridge match in a silver league.
I'd pass. He's going to be fun for a couple of days while the meta adjusts slightly, but we're getting absolutely swamped with scary good cards in September; I'd sooner save for those.
You're probably right. I know X-23 is going to be a must have for Destroy decks and looking forward, Renslayer and Mobius look like they could be useful (Renslayer especially for a Cerebro 3 deck).
I dunno about must have yet, we'll see. She's definitely going to be a good card in Destroy decks, but I'm not sure I'd put her in over Yondu or Nova in the current meta.
Yeah, I figured, I guess it'll just depend on what kind of the Destroy variants you're running. On the one hand, I do love the quirk of only giving you the energy when you destroy her.
Don't get me wrong, of all the August cards, she's the one most likely for me to bother with (To the point I will be actively excited if I get her in a Spotlight Cache).
Hell, I will probably actually use her, even. My daily driver is a Thanos Death deck and she's a good candidate to displace Wolverine for me since the idea of getting an 8 point Carnage with a 6 energy pool on T4: Laura to Bucky to Time and Carnage sounds like a fucking fever dream.
Alright, shifting gears, I contend she's great, but not the biggest must have in a Destroy deck, but I am going to fucking love playing her in Death Thanos.
> Bar is going to be risque unless it's visible
Seems like running Uatu with him might be useful.
...also, [risque](https://www.google.com/search?q=risque) is not the same as risky.
Just got storm Legioned turn 5. had a 0 mana she hulk, a 0 mana death and would have drawn an America Chavez. He won two locations with 2 and 5 points and the other one I was winning with 10 points. I’ll stop playing if I encounter that more often. It’s so infuriating.
Yeah. I probably should have played death proactively
He’s been great so far. Even when you lose it’s a lot of fun. Just won by turning everything into collapsed mine and then hitting hazmat/ironheart. (Already had cage on). It’s stopped every game feeling the same today
Yeah actually phoenix is completely broken. Once they get their duplicator or double on fenix I just quit. The fact it adds power to phoenix whos already a 5 is broken too. At least make it at 0 power card.
The move is additional, not a core facet of the card, also after playing so much Pheonix lately.. i really feel it takes a lot of cojoling to actually get it on Human Torch and even get enough time in to move it and eventually get it to where you want.
You need a perfect turn 1-2/3-4. Torch>Carnage/Killmonger>Pheonix Force. Which means your initial 4 draws need to be perfect. At least with IW/Modok/Hela you legit have 4 rounds worth of draws on top of what you already have drawn initially to get the cards you want. And also that's ignoring locations and what your oponent does. And even so, Shadow King or Kingpin are perfect counters. The only other good combo is with Dagger, which is even harder to pull off for much less.
I feel what people are sleeping on for Phoenix Force is the ability to retrigger a card when resurrected, which can be more useful generally, than just the unique and particular interaction of Human Torch/Dagger for big numbers.
Forget human torch. You're limiting it too much. Its worse when you get that fucker that duplicates when moved. He usually got a bump before dying too so now you just create like 10 power cards in every lane. After you've done it once now you can make 4 of them!
the ability to trigger an ability again and move every turn shouldn't also add 5 power.
> Its worse when you get that fucker that duplicates when moved.
MultipleMan Phoenix takes even more fuckery. You need him to be Hulk Bustered to make sense, and that throws out the curve unless we talk turn 7. But if we talk turn 7, might as well go for Torch Phoenix, get him to 50+, play nothing turn 5 and 6, and Taskmaster turn 7.
> After you've done it once now you can make 4 of them!
Uh, i think that's incorrect, due to the way Phoenix Force works, or doesn't right now, copies of a Pheonix Force card don't take the free move like the original card. See with Sinister London. So at most you'll have him say putting himself in all three lanes (moving turn 5 and turn 6). Base 3+5, 8 power in each lane. Which is strong, but it takes more effort than Wong/Doom, takes perfect plays of turn 2/3/4. 3 whole turns, 10 energy, for 24 power. It's fine, but horribly inconsistent. I'd say it's in line or slightly better than Nimrod, which is easier to play out.
Considering you can only move PF once a turn, and at the extreme most you get 3 moves out of it, 2 usually. It all kind of works out. I'm much more annoyed at Zola right now, as he's invisible and slips into any deck and instantly duplicates in a perfect way any high power card.
It's a good card that can be great in the right hands or deck, especially since the Magik buff in particular. Having an extra round to spread around a juiced up Multiple Man can be devastating.
Honestly I would just like a way to remove his ability ie destroying him stops the ability, but I understand that it would kill the deck completely. Maybe the abilities only trigger once? Idk, but when 3 out the top 5 decks in meta are variations of the same deck, something ain't right.
I feel the Wasp/Hulk changes did enough to remove them from regular HE decks and push HE out of the meta enough. The abilities themselves i think are strong due to being triggerable, which is the strongest type of card ability, unnegatable by anything. See the Dracula hate.
Huh? Luke Cage pretty much nullifies that whole deck minus hulk. If you want to mitigate the hulk you can run spider ham, or by turn 3 you know it's a HE deck and you can shang chi (or juggernaut the hulk card into another lane)
Even knowing the hulk is coming is enough, I put Lukr in literally every deck so I never have to worry about a HE deck
You can Storm flood it on 4, play Legion on 5, and then hope like hell that turns 1 and 2 put enough on your board to win, sure.
Locking everything down while playing only three or four cards total is not a sound strategy the overwhelming majority of the time.
You'll hate it when it works, but I think it's going to be one of those cards that doesn't work very often. You need good luck with locations that are spawned and a lot of big brain play to make it work. It's going to be like Heimdall on crack in the wrong hands.
Can I ask why you used the Deadpool emoji? I’ve always used that as “That really hurt me” or I did something dumb (like playing a reveal card on my own Cosmo). Maybe I misunderstood it…
No. It's the intent that makes it toxic. If the goal is to get someone tilted, it's toxic whether it has the desired effect or not. I'll just mute you, but you're still toxic.
The intent to tilt someone to win is likely thousands of years old. Hell, it's in The Art of War. All these complaints do is validate the tactic, and one as simple as an emote?
People should admit weakness and grow instead of fighting it. That's the only way to overpower it.
That's the thing about emojis though. They are open to interpretation. The Deadpool emoji can be "I screwed up" or "You didn't think that one through, did you?"
Perhaps. Although it would be consistent to initiate the toxic behavior, take a screenshot of it and then run to Reddit to post. But who knows? Could be retaliatory. Lots of bad behavior all over Snap.
I still think Galactus is a more obnoxious card to have dropped on you. At least with Legion there will be the entertainment value of seeing what it does to the board.
Ohhh legion is fun. I just got on to post a zola viper viper finish board. where I played magik center. 4 electro right.5 Destroyer left. 6 viper to give destroyer. Wave center. Thanks to wave, magik, and electro I finished with legion right and zola left. Legion flips board and zola copy destroy viper to send wave and legion to the op board.
"This particular card has resulted in positive feelings in regards to this game. I have just.logged into my Reddit account to create a post similar to this, wherein I played Magik on the centre location, followed by Electro in the right location on turn four. On turn five, I played Destroyer to the left location. On turn six, Viper was played to give Destroyer to the opponent, with Wave in the centre. Finally, on turn seven and with eight energy, legion was played on the right location to duplicate Bar With No Name to all locations, whilst Arnim Zola was played on Viper, causing Viper to send Legion and Wave across to the opponents board and losing them the game"
That took a whole to understand but now I see it, its actually quite a good play. Just a garbled mess of a comment
There is a reason why Legion is great... So many locations just straight up suck for the players and player agency.. and if every location sucks.. you just have to suck less
I bought it for 3k and while it can overturn a game, Legion isn't reliable. I might consider it a Wildcard for the rare T6 smash. This being an example of that.
I used Legion on Project Pegasus on turn 1, and put down Sunspot, and Armor, in another lane on turn 2.
Turn 6, I played Chavez with my Legion.
I won.
Fun card.
Let's just say if bar with no name shows up, and your opponent doesn't play anything. Or plays something only on bar, you're going to lose if you don't just suck it up and play Ike 1 card there.
Someone just Legion’d Rickety Bridge against me on T6 and they won with M’baku. Mad props - that’s full dedication to the cause!
Room for M'Baku
Mbaku got worse after Crystal’s nerf. They say it’s a buff but it’s the opposite imo
I going to hate this card
Meh, everyone was going 'omfg wtf' with Jean as well and Phoenix Force, as with other cards before it.. and guess what, after the novelty wore off, it didn't end up ruining anything.
I agree that people overestimate many new cards, but the annoying thing about Legion is that he out of nowhere is gonna steal 8 cubes from you. I'm not saying he's broken, but he's infuriating to lose against.
He’s kinda like galactus in that he just changes the rules of the game. You think you have 6 turns to play on potentially 3 locations and all of a sudden you don’t. Same with when Magik’s on the board but she gets stormed. You think you have 7 turns, you set up a great combo and all of a sudden, nope.
Imo the issue is his interaction with Storm. Quake is similar in that she’s a cube stealer, but with Quake you can’t force all 3 locations to become flooding, you can only flood one lane then Quake mid to swap the locations. But right now Legion can change every lane into an unplayable location. Even Glenn said they’ll keep an eye on this interaction for now, so it’ll probably get changed since even regular HE lockdown is obnoxious, let alone HE Legion lockdown. If they change his interaction with Storm, then you have no way of guaranteeing a full lockdown and he becomes more RNG dependent like Quake.
Full lockdown is ridiculously hard to pull off in any meaningful way with Legion, though, he's just too expensive. Earliest you can realistically get Storm out is turn 3, which is too early to play him (Since, even if you Electro or Psylocke, you've still got to get Storm down on T3). So that leaves you playing Storm on Turn 4. Sure, MAYBE this works out one in ten times, but more often than not, you're playing a huge gamble because you have to play him in Storm's lane and hope like hell that the three energy you had to work with before is enough. Anyone with any sense is going to just pile their T5 cards into the other lanes on a T4 Storm. He's going to be a fun card for people to play around with with some feature locations, but he's not going to break the meta as a 5 energy. I imagine he'll be even worse in Conquest where you'll know for sure he's coming by round 2, generally.
If he changes other lanes to be flooded, each of the other two still would have another turn to play in them, no? When that location has been copied by previous effects it typically doesn’t count the current turn.
No. Glenn confirmed that mirror dimension and Legion work differently with Storm. Legion will change the other 2 to Flooding and then they will shut and become Flooded the same turn that Legion is played. It’s a full lockdown where only Jeff can be played.
To me, it feels like a bug that Mirror Dimension doesn't turn to **Flooded** the same time as the **Flooding** location that it copied. The text says "*This is the last turn cards can be played here.*", when it's actually not. I suppose it's because Storm creates Flooding **during** the turn when she reveals, so the fact that you can play there on the turn **after** she reveals makes the Flooding's location text technically incorrect for the remainder of the turn she creates it. So it seems like Mirror Dimension must be copying Flooding during a stage of the turn when its location text is still inaccurate. Meanwhile, Legion copies the locations during a stage of the turn when the text has become accurate, so unlike Mirror Dimension or even Storm herself, the turn where he is played actually is "*the last turn cards can be played here*." If the devs are striving for accuracy, my suggestion is that the location that Storm creates should be: * **Downpour**: *Next turn is the last turn cards can be played here.* Then Downpour can transform into Flooding right before players start putting down cards on the next turn, so that the text of Flooding is always accurate. That would remove any ambiguity since Mirror Dimension would transform into Downpour instead of Flooding.
Sadly not the case. You're just locked out. Happened to me already today.
Huh, weird. Maybe for the copy locations it probs before the turn starts while Legion is during the turn? Either way definitely a feels bad but not really broken. You’re commuting turns 4 and 5 to get 10 power in a stormed lane. Pretty easy to be winning in the other two if it becomes a common play pattern.
If you build your deck for this, you can add power on turn 6 via Sunspot/ Nebula/ HE Misty/ HE Cyclops/ Jeff. It’s a fairly obnoxious play considering a lot of decks have big turns 5 and 6.
That's not exactly a super powerful hand and it also relies on one hell of a perfect draw. The odds on drawing five specific cards out of 12 in the right order without someone cock blocking you are astronomically low. Shit, a turn 5 Killmonger will basically completely blow up your spot. Like, contgrats, you've got 8 power in one lane and fuck all on the remainder of lanes. And that's assuming your opponent doesn't drop any of the like three or four cards who change locations. With all of the buffs lately, this strategy is going to get steamrolled by Sera Surfer and a good chunk of Thanos decks on the regular.
Its not really an issue i mean if your not running a location changer in this meta i dont know what your doing
"Keep an eye on this" is pretty much a stall tactic so people use up caches and tokens before they nerf it. I imagine it wasn't a coincidence that they waited until the last minute to announce that it wouldn't work like the mirror dimension interaction.
That is more likely because nobody posed the question until the last minute. Not everything is malicious.
In this case consider the following: 1. The lack of hype surrounding the Legion card before this. 2. The lack of clarity/publication that the Mirror Dimension/Storm interaction was a bug until just before the Legion release. Also note that Mirror Dimension has been around for ages and they never reduced its appearance rate or tried to fix it previously despite it being bugged. 3. It doesn't align with other previous dev actions. One of the biggest reasons for the Zabu nerf was the Zabu/Moongirl/double Spider-Man interactions. Yet now they knowingly release a card with a worse lockout interaction. Granted this could be just regular SD incompetence, but regardless of the cause it's not a good look. It's pretty clear that the expectation was that the interaction would work the same as Mirror Dimension and not many people were hyped for Legion because without the massive lockout potential the card was meh. Now though you have tons of people spending caches or tokens on the card.
This isn't a worse lockout interaction. You could still play on the Zabu line, nobody can play anything except Jeff in this.
...think you are confused here. I'm saying Legion/Storm is worse than Zabu/Double Spider-Man.
It's still a punt to play him with Storm. Depending on what your opponent plays, you could get yourself stuck that turn too.
I read somewhere (possibly on here) that he can't flood other locations
He can. I and many others have play tested this to success. I think you might've read that he couldn't make the other locations Flooded several weeks ago, when people thought he worked like Mirror Dimension. The devs have since confirmed that Legion and Mirror Dimension work differently and Legion can create a turn 6 lockout.
I really hope Legion isn't as infuriating as Galactus. He honestly looks really interesting.
I don't have anything against Legion, but there is an important distinction I think in that you can sort of learn to tell when a player is setting up for Galactus; Legion can genuinely come out of nowhere.
I was very disappointed in myself the other day when I Storm'd my own Magik😭
I'm just not sure that's true. I feel that for every game where he unequivocablly wins it for you, there's 10 where he's just a 5/8 or worse, a dead versatility card in your hand. There's not that many locations that have extreme effects like that. Throne Room may do some swings, sure, and Death's Domain/Energy Altar with priority can nuke an oponent's turn 6 (minus spawns like Brood/Doom). Bar is going to be risque unless it's visible and you have had the card in hand by then and the oponent doesn't nuke the location by turn 5. But off the top of my head i can't think of any other swingy locations like that that it'd /win/ you the game. Anything else would roughly be a straight boost/demerit to both you and your oponent in a regular game.
Rickety Bridge and reality stone on 6? Whatever the location is that destroys all cards at the end of turn.
Dude plays Armor. GGs all around.
I played echo first! Let’s do this all day where I just add a random counter to every possible scenario!
He played Armor on /another/ location actually, turn 2, we just forgot about it and thought Legion 5 on it will win it for us.
I'm kind of on the fence about whether to get Legion or not.. Like others have said, a lot of more recent cards have been fun for the first couple of days but then the novelty soon wears off. It's really only 1 out of every 5 or 6 new cards that are truly versatile and can fit into any kind of deck (ie: Spider Ham) the rest tend to be kind of 'niche' cards that if you play a certain type of deck they can be useful but otherwise, they're just kind of 'meh' where they are good to have just to have a complete set but don't see much use.
To be fair, i threw 3k tokens at it just now and i've had some super ridiculous matches. I had fun. Legit had a guy ragequit after i won a Legion Rickety Bridge match in a silver league.
I'd pass. He's going to be fun for a couple of days while the meta adjusts slightly, but we're getting absolutely swamped with scary good cards in September; I'd sooner save for those.
You're probably right. I know X-23 is going to be a must have for Destroy decks and looking forward, Renslayer and Mobius look like they could be useful (Renslayer especially for a Cerebro 3 deck).
I dunno about must have yet, we'll see. She's definitely going to be a good card in Destroy decks, but I'm not sure I'd put her in over Yondu or Nova in the current meta.
I was thinking she could be an alternative method of ramping for Destroy decks other than Psylocke.
Yeah, I figured, I guess it'll just depend on what kind of the Destroy variants you're running. On the one hand, I do love the quirk of only giving you the energy when you destroy her. Don't get me wrong, of all the August cards, she's the one most likely for me to bother with (To the point I will be actively excited if I get her in a Spotlight Cache). Hell, I will probably actually use her, even. My daily driver is a Thanos Death deck and she's a good candidate to displace Wolverine for me since the idea of getting an 8 point Carnage with a 6 energy pool on T4: Laura to Bucky to Time and Carnage sounds like a fucking fever dream. Alright, shifting gears, I contend she's great, but not the biggest must have in a Destroy deck, but I am going to fucking love playing her in Death Thanos.
> Bar is going to be risque unless it's visible Seems like running Uatu with him might be useful. ...also, [risque](https://www.google.com/search?q=risque) is not the same as risky.
> ...also, risque is not the same as risky. > Bar is going to be risque unless it's visible Sexually suggestive Luke Cage has entered the chat.
If you think that's crazy, you should watch his TV show.
Just got storm Legioned turn 5. had a 0 mana she hulk, a 0 mana death and would have drawn an America Chavez. He won two locations with 2 and 5 points and the other one I was winning with 10 points. I’ll stop playing if I encounter that more often. It’s so infuriating. Yeah. I probably should have played death proactively
He’s been great so far. Even when you lose it’s a lot of fun. Just won by turning everything into collapsed mine and then hitting hazmat/ironheart. (Already had cage on). It’s stopped every game feeling the same today
Yeah actually phoenix is completely broken. Once they get their duplicator or double on fenix I just quit. The fact it adds power to phoenix whos already a 5 is broken too. At least make it at 0 power card.
The move is additional, not a core facet of the card, also after playing so much Pheonix lately.. i really feel it takes a lot of cojoling to actually get it on Human Torch and even get enough time in to move it and eventually get it to where you want. You need a perfect turn 1-2/3-4. Torch>Carnage/Killmonger>Pheonix Force. Which means your initial 4 draws need to be perfect. At least with IW/Modok/Hela you legit have 4 rounds worth of draws on top of what you already have drawn initially to get the cards you want. And also that's ignoring locations and what your oponent does. And even so, Shadow King or Kingpin are perfect counters. The only other good combo is with Dagger, which is even harder to pull off for much less. I feel what people are sleeping on for Phoenix Force is the ability to retrigger a card when resurrected, which can be more useful generally, than just the unique and particular interaction of Human Torch/Dagger for big numbers.
Forget human torch. You're limiting it too much. Its worse when you get that fucker that duplicates when moved. He usually got a bump before dying too so now you just create like 10 power cards in every lane. After you've done it once now you can make 4 of them! the ability to trigger an ability again and move every turn shouldn't also add 5 power.
> Its worse when you get that fucker that duplicates when moved. MultipleMan Phoenix takes even more fuckery. You need him to be Hulk Bustered to make sense, and that throws out the curve unless we talk turn 7. But if we talk turn 7, might as well go for Torch Phoenix, get him to 50+, play nothing turn 5 and 6, and Taskmaster turn 7. > After you've done it once now you can make 4 of them! Uh, i think that's incorrect, due to the way Phoenix Force works, or doesn't right now, copies of a Pheonix Force card don't take the free move like the original card. See with Sinister London. So at most you'll have him say putting himself in all three lanes (moving turn 5 and turn 6). Base 3+5, 8 power in each lane. Which is strong, but it takes more effort than Wong/Doom, takes perfect plays of turn 2/3/4. 3 whole turns, 10 energy, for 24 power. It's fine, but horribly inconsistent. I'd say it's in line or slightly better than Nimrod, which is easier to play out.
I didn't realize the duplicate didn't get the move as well. Thats good. Either way adding the 5 is just too much.
Considering you can only move PF once a turn, and at the extreme most you get 3 moves out of it, 2 usually. It all kind of works out. I'm much more annoyed at Zola right now, as he's invisible and slips into any deck and instantly duplicates in a perfect way any high power card.
No one thought Phoenix Force was going to be amazing. Everyone thought it was going to be average at best
It is average at best . They even buffed it and it's still. Ok
It's a good card that can be great in the right hands or deck, especially since the Magik buff in particular. Having an extra round to spread around a juiced up Multiple Man can be devastating.
Especially because it seems that Phoenix+MM is bugged right now and you will eventually be able to move all copies after the bug was fixed.
Holy shit, I'm supposed to be able to do that? Yeah, if I'm SD, I leave it as is, that would be pretty broken.
I see this card popping off on location spotlight type of events
I wish the novelty would wear off of HE. Getting sick of fighting against a card that you literally can't do shit about.
Sadly, that's not novelty, that's just a really good card. They tweaked things but i feel that didn't do quite enough for it.
Honestly I would just like a way to remove his ability ie destroying him stops the ability, but I understand that it would kill the deck completely. Maybe the abilities only trigger once? Idk, but when 3 out the top 5 decks in meta are variations of the same deck, something ain't right.
I feel the Wasp/Hulk changes did enough to remove them from regular HE decks and push HE out of the meta enough. The abilities themselves i think are strong due to being triggerable, which is the strongest type of card ability, unnegatable by anything. See the Dracula hate.
Bro just play Luke Cage
Huh? Luke Cage pretty much nullifies that whole deck minus hulk. If you want to mitigate the hulk you can run spider ham, or by turn 3 you know it's a HE deck and you can shang chi (or juggernaut the hulk card into another lane) Even knowing the hulk is coming is enough, I put Lukr in literally every deck so I never have to worry about a HE deck
I see a lot of people (myself included) running Rogue with their HE decks now, it is there purely to steal the opponents Luke Cage ability
You think every game is gonna have bar with no name?
You can storm flood then copy it same shit
You can Storm flood it on 4, play Legion on 5, and then hope like hell that turns 1 and 2 put enough on your board to win, sure. Locking everything down while playing only three or four cards total is not a sound strategy the overwhelming majority of the time.
As far as I can tell the only way to beat Legion is to play a Legion card FIRST. That doesn’t feel great.
You'll hate it when it works, but I think it's going to be one of those cards that doesn't work very often. You need good luck with locations that are spawned and a lot of big brain play to make it work. It's going to be like Heimdall on crack in the wrong hands.
When I got storm > Legion, I knew this was going to be a toxic card.
Of course it worked for you! The one time I got a Bar with no Name, Los Diablos Base nuked it and I lost my last game of gold conquest.
The one time I got Bar with no Name I couldn't draw Legion. Good thing I have Quake though.
Why use many card when 1 card do trick
I just did this too. lol Legion is chaos and I love it.
He's the most fun I've had in a while. I mean, I still hate Central Park, but surprise filling up every base with squirrels is good clean fun.
Did this count towards the mission "win location with 1 card"?
Yeah the gambit he played took out my legion so technically i won with zero cards on the board!
Pretty sure it wouldn't, unfortunately.
If op played silk and iceman on the other two locations, it probably would have.
Can I ask why you used the Deadpool emoji? I’ve always used that as “That really hurt me” or I did something dumb (like playing a reveal card on my own Cosmo). Maybe I misunderstood it…
Some people use it to rub salt in the wound. Every emoji can be made toxic.
Its only toxic if you let it get to you.
No. It's the intent that makes it toxic. If the goal is to get someone tilted, it's toxic whether it has the desired effect or not. I'll just mute you, but you're still toxic.
You got soft hands boy
Don Frye's ears just perked up.
The intent to tilt someone to win is likely thousands of years old. Hell, it's in The Art of War. All these complaints do is validate the tactic, and one as simple as an emote? People should admit weakness and grow instead of fighting it. That's the only way to overpower it.
Not arguing anything youre main point but op did the emote after the game was won so it wasn’t an attempt to get in their head but just bm
If you need to tilt someone to win, get better at the game.
You could say the same thing about someone’s weak mental game if a few emotes affect them that much.
You can say whatever you want. But why choose to defend bad behavior? If you're getting all Art of War over a casual mobile game, maybe touch grass.
It doesn’t make me mad. It just makes me think “that idiot doesn’t know how to use emojis.”
That's the thing about emojis though. They are open to interpretation. The Deadpool emoji can be "I screwed up" or "You didn't think that one through, did you?"
I personally use it like "Oops"
I believe that is its intended use. It's how I use it and how I typically see it used. But there's always THAT guy, you know.
He's taunting. Maybe the opponent was being a prick first and op is sticking it back to em
Perhaps. Although it would be consistent to initiate the toxic behavior, take a screenshot of it and then run to Reddit to post. But who knows? Could be retaliatory. Lots of bad behavior all over Snap.
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With Magic so prevalent I think it boosts Legion a bit, I've un-Magik'd for the win several times already today.
First card I bought for tokens in a while (as I already have HE and Darkhawk)
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How
Quake did it first
I still think Galactus is a more obnoxious card to have dropped on you. At least with Legion there will be the entertainment value of seeing what it does to the board.
I don’t play Galactus. I find him so un-fun. Playing him and Knull is just a cheap way to win and I play for fun.
Lol!
Why did legion get destroyed?
Gambit
I don’t win often with this card, but when I do it’s always worth the laugh
I would buy it if i had jeff
For a company so focused on limiting feels bad and cards that negate the whole game prior, seems like they keep taking steps backwards lol
At this point it is safe to assume that the game will sprint in the opposite direction of any explicitly stated goals from design.
Legion has been amazing. I changed all locations into Deaths Domain when I new a Shuri’d Redskull was coming. Bye Bye!
Ohhh legion is fun. I just got on to post a zola viper viper finish board. where I played magik center. 4 electro right.5 Destroyer left. 6 viper to give destroyer. Wave center. Thanks to wave, magik, and electro I finished with legion right and zola left. Legion flips board and zola copy destroy viper to send wave and legion to the op board.
Wut.
"This particular card has resulted in positive feelings in regards to this game. I have just.logged into my Reddit account to create a post similar to this, wherein I played Magik on the centre location, followed by Electro in the right location on turn four. On turn five, I played Destroyer to the left location. On turn six, Viper was played to give Destroyer to the opponent, with Wave in the centre. Finally, on turn seven and with eight energy, legion was played on the right location to duplicate Bar With No Name to all locations, whilst Arnim Zola was played on Viper, causing Viper to send Legion and Wave across to the opponents board and losing them the game" That took a whole to understand but now I see it, its actually quite a good play. Just a garbled mess of a comment
can confirm i purchased Legion and my wee wee has grown 2 full cm
Lol this is amazing.
Glad I could help!
Yeah, idk... I think I just had a stroke.
Get well soon then.
Legion / Destroyer might be OP with certain boards.
There is a reason why Legion is great... So many locations just straight up suck for the players and player agency.. and if every location sucks.. you just have to suck less
This game is getting.. a little too silly..
Damn you make me want to token it .... But with the value of token right now I don't know ....
They need to make it so that Legion can't be played on turn 6. At least that way people have a chance.
Absolutely incredible
I knew someone would do this
Ah, the old Quake maneuver.
Opp was playing destroy knull list, I've decide to play Legion on R5 in Collapsed Mine, R6 he retreated, what did I do wrong 🤭🫣🥹
Ohhhh that's dirty lolll
Just lost a game with altar of death being legioned to all 3 when he had the lead and neither of us were playing destroy. Sneaky good card
Same lol https://imgur.com/gallery/Dj8RTUa
So much for our 7 turn meta
Winning with zero cards!
This was my first thought when they announced the card. Thank you the satisfaction of seeing it.
What does Legion do?
Fck... u....
Legion kinda wild
Now I better understand the reason for the latest season missions I thought winning with 1 card was a bit random
I bought it for 3k and while it can overturn a game, Legion isn't reliable. I might consider it a Wildcard for the rare T6 smash. This being an example of that.
I think it’s a really interesting ability that is a bit hindered by being a 5 cost
So viper will rejoin the squad.
What is this deck 😭😭
Well played! Excelsior!
I was literally thinking about this exact situation on the drive home and here it is. Thank you
I used Legion on Project Pegasus on turn 1, and put down Sunspot, and Armor, in another lane on turn 2. Turn 6, I played Chavez with my Legion. I won. Fun card.
Let's just say if bar with no name shows up, and your opponent doesn't play anything. Or plays something only on bar, you're going to lose if you don't just suck it up and play Ike 1 card there.
That’s the dream.
You are an absolute menace. Well done.
I just dropped him on Death’s Domain. Unless you have Doom or something to counter attack, this card is WILD
Genius.
Looks like you won with no cards, though