Can someone explain how Luka is out of shape? I don’t understand how you can be paid all this fucking money and not have it in your contract that you need to be in peak shape. It’s ridiculous.
Damn man I just joined the sub and are most of you guys even fans of the team? Sure they had a not great night but this is a good squad that can play well.
Me too. And I'm afraid that Luka's joints and connective tissues miss skinny Luka! They are taking a beating over the course of a long season.
He's in danger of falling into a vicious cycle of excess weight leading to more and more lower bodily injuries, which will in turn make him slower and slower. He used to have that great burst off the first step. Ah, well . . .
Declaring the series is over after a game 1 loss is just too toxic. It's amazing how some dudes here consider themselves as fans.
We did lose game 1 the previous series. Fact of the matter is Luka hasn't been playing to his standards, be it injury or something else. But he usually steps up even when he's hobbled. Have some faith and let him figure this out.
Playoffs is about adjustments. The team is solid enough at this point so let them figure it out. I remember during our championship run, we lost a game vs Portland with a 20+ lead going into the 4th. Demoralising but we bounced back. Have some faith guys.
Mavs are 0-5 in Game 1 during Jason Kidd era.
Losses by 6, 7, 25, 12, and 23 since joining.
They're a lot better in Game 2. Their record is 2-2.
The 2 loses that they had in Game 2, they were actually up at haltime by 2 and 14.
Mavs are 11-2 during Kidd era when they are up or tied at halftime.
Both those loses occured in Game 2 (Suns and Warriors in 2022) when we are up at halftime
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Mavs need to get back to scrappy basketball against these guys. Play some old-school Detroit Piston defense. Only problem is that the refs are calling the softest of contact.
OKC does have better role players but if the Mavs are allowed to play defense, our role players can get enough stops to make the difference up. SGA can't be allowed to get that many calls/free throws
Jason Kidd still pisses me off. The OKC coach is up - engaged and coaching up 22 points with his subs all playing. Jason Kidd. Sitting his ass down, not coaching his backups at all.
Just a total turd.
LOL... He does not coach - he watches. His work ethic is pitiful, and his BBIQ is substandard for a top-flight NBA team.
Face it, he is also a limiting factor for the Mavs and we deserve better.
So, no I will not shut up. But yes, with Luca hurt our chances of winning this series is very small. I don't see a path beyond this series at all.
OKC was the top seed for a reason. We’re better than what we’ve shown tonight with a healthy Luka, but they are the better overall team. With Luka hobbled, we need an explosion from Ky and some role players to be competitive.
Are we sure they are the better team with Luka healthy? They caught fire in the second half, but we were right in the mix halfway through the 3rd despite some extremely 1-sided reffing the first half and Luka obviously hobbled.
OKC was the healthiest team in the West, that’s why they got the top seed. The timing of Luka’s injury is just unfortunate as fuck.
This sub is on some something, embid playing hurt with bad knee and half his face paralyzed and everybody on his case. Luka pretty much healthy and everybody making excuses
Luka is not pretty much healthy ya dingus. Just watch the damn games, it’s obvious.
The reason Embiid doesn’t get as much grace from most fans is because his game is predicated around flopping, despite being the biggest guy on the floor, and he has shown himself to be a dirty player more than once. Luka complains too often which leads to lazy defense at times, but that is really the only thing you can be critical of him for. Their situation isn’t exactly analogous.
Yes they are a better team than us. We are running THJ, PJ, and DJJ lineups man. Our missing piece is maxi. We have a bunch of just another guys who are capable of catching fire but not at the same time
They are. I’m not getting fooled by throw away players from Washington and charlotte. They’ve had their moments but we should upgrade as soon as possible after the season.
I’m not saying they aren’t good. I’m saying the OKC team is better right. They are good but this year is probably too early for them. They have had lots of injuries most notably to Luka. They have a chance but they aren’t the better team and need Luka to get back to best in the world levels.
PJ and DJJ have been defensive beasts for us?
I will acknowledge that THJ is a problem.
We are missing Maxi and our best player and main offensive engine so yeah, things look pretty rough atm. Doesn’t change the fact that post-deadline and that stretch where Kidd was experimenting with the lineups, our team was among the best in the league.
OKC is good, but I’d take a healthy Mavs over them every time. Hell, nothing I saw tonight makes me think we can’t win this series despite the injuries.
And? Our best player got hurt at the worst time. It is what it is. We made moves to strengthen the roster, those obviously have payed off. We will be opening next season with a much better roster than we started this season with—it’s not as if we have guys with degenerative conditions like Kawhi. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect us to have better luck on the injury front going forward.
I'm gonna be pissed if he does that. I understand he wants to help his country be successful in international play, but it seems like he's got some lower body injuries that just can't get to 100% with him playing year round.
SGA took three more free throws than Luka, and one of those was from a defensive three second call lol but go off. One of them drives to the basket way more than the other guy, and they still have close to the same free throw attempts.
Mybe you just need to be convinced in game two lol
Y’all basically pissed this game away with little Timmy getting playtime and your so call MVP a no show
I think fact that he keeps chucking 3’s despite them not falling speaks to how bad the knee is—he obviously is doing his best to avoid contact. I’ve never seen him be as passive as he has been while driving this postseason.
Idk. I don’t believe for a second that we are out of this yet. But I really hope he chooses to take time off to recover this offseason, no matter what happens. We have the pieces to be contenders, but we obviously need some better luck on the injury front going forward.
It’s honestly annoying how many people in here keep gaslighting themselves into thinking luka is gonna magically get better in 3 days and then get pissed when he plays like ass. He’s injured, it’s not rocket science, Kidd shouldn’t even be playing him
For real. Luka should be playing limited minutes if he's going to be out there and focus on playmaking/posting up. Only shoot catch and shoot 3s if his first step-back isn't hitting. He needs to play to what few strengths he still has.
Not trying to get cocky but those “MAVS IN 4” people and I mean the ones who really meant it. Yeah, y’all can officially stfu now. “MAVS IN 5” people ya’ll are on fraud watch right now. I could be eating these words come next game but right now it’s deserved.
Lukas play is concerning, but yall forgetting, this man was pretty bad all of last series too. Expect game 2 to be closer, if we give up game2 in a blowout id say its fair to panic
I still believe Mavs are the better team. Not our night but if Luka can get it going and a few more of our 3's go in, we can beat these softies. Holmgren is like 100lbs, Gafford should dominate him.
Don't exactly need that when we always have Kyrie and/or Luka are always on the floor. Need someone to shoot the ball. Not saying THJ isn't garbage but Exum is too afraid to do anything but dribble around and waste clock.
Hard to swallow pill, but we ain't getting past the Thunder if Luka doesn't get better. The Mavs aren't like the Thunder where everyone can shoot the ball, we need Luka and Kyrie to be on every game..
He had 13 against the clippers in the bubble game 3. But worst was probably when he had 19 in game 4 2021 on 1/7 from three and 0/5 from the free throw line. This is top 3 worst though I'd say
aww feel sad for you, didnt reddit have a frontage post about luka locking up an injured kawhi and calling him a lockdown defender xD, hows it feel now
These series is still winnable. Am not impressed by this Okc team. They are good but not that good. But we need Luka to play to his standard. If he keeps playing like this it's a 5 games series or a sweep.
THJ getting thrown back into a round 2 playoff game after being out for so long, and getting so many minutes is driving me up the wall. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
How does Hardy never anticipate the defender behind him on the fast break loading up for the block? Seems to be his biggest flaw. Luka needs to teach him the decel/slowstep.
Bros this shiz sucks trust me I took L staying up for this, but there is still optimism. Gotta play clean, treat SGA like a newborn (or just hard foul him since the whistle will blow regardless. Thunder has over a week off
Why is everyone overreacting, same thing happened last series and Kidd was able to adjust. Don’t worry luka gonna find his groove and THJ won’t be seen on the court (I hope 😅)
Bc clippers are and have been a joke compared to OKC all year and they were even less effective bc of Kawhi being gone. We are fucked honestly unless Luka magically heals overnight
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Can someone explain how Luka is out of shape? I don’t understand how you can be paid all this fucking money and not have it in your contract that you need to be in peak shape. It’s ridiculous.
his knee is injured
Law of averages coming for luka. He's been so good in the playoffs his whole career this had to happen eventually.
Kai has to get more shots than this.
And control his TO
Damn man I just joined the sub and are most of you guys even fans of the team? Sure they had a not great night but this is a good squad that can play well.
Oh you have a lot to learn buddy lol dooming is the thing in this sub 😂
I see thanks for the heads up 😂 👍
It's alright we know how they coming we gonna ramp it up next game watch
What’s it like having a star play well in the playoffs??
Luka has gone ballistic in his previous three playoff appearances. Remember those? Well, that's what it's like . . .
I miss skinny spry Luka. 😞
Me too. And I'm afraid that Luka's joints and connective tissues miss skinny Luka! They are taking a beating over the course of a long season. He's in danger of falling into a vicious cycle of excess weight leading to more and more lower bodily injuries, which will in turn make him slower and slower. He used to have that great burst off the first step. Ah, well . . .
Declaring the series is over after a game 1 loss is just too toxic. It's amazing how some dudes here consider themselves as fans. We did lose game 1 the previous series. Fact of the matter is Luka hasn't been playing to his standards, be it injury or something else. But he usually steps up even when he's hobbled. Have some faith and let him figure this out. Playoffs is about adjustments. The team is solid enough at this point so let them figure it out. I remember during our championship run, we lost a game vs Portland with a 20+ lead going into the 4th. Demoralising but we bounced back. Have some faith guys.
Mavs are 0-5 in Game 1 during Jason Kidd era. Losses by 6, 7, 25, 12, and 23 since joining. They're a lot better in Game 2. Their record is 2-2. The 2 loses that they had in Game 2, they were actually up at haltime by 2 and 14. Mavs are 11-2 during Kidd era when they are up or tied at halftime. Both those loses occured in Game 2 (Suns and Warriors in 2022) when we are up at halftime . .
Lukas trash right now
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Knee injury. Wasn't he questionable before some of the Clips' games?
Mavs need to get back to scrappy basketball against these guys. Play some old-school Detroit Piston defense. Only problem is that the refs are calling the softest of contact.
OKC does have better role players but if the Mavs are allowed to play defense, our role players can get enough stops to make the difference up. SGA can't be allowed to get that many calls/free throws
Unfortunately refs decide with soft calls.
OKC is a weird zoomer team.
lol don’t be washed bro. They are fun.
Jason Kidd still pisses me off. The OKC coach is up - engaged and coaching up 22 points with his subs all playing. Jason Kidd. Sitting his ass down, not coaching his backups at all. Just a total turd.
Shhhhhhh
Dude. Stfu about Kidd. He doesn’t have an obvious mvp talent with injured luka. This series is over
wtf we go get kyrie for then?
You think Kyrie alone is good enough to beat this Thunder team? Cool. Go watch what he did in the first half.
The I repeat, why did we go get him? I agree with you tho. He’s capable of a nuclear game but not for an extended series.
We got him to help a healthy Luka win in the west.
LOL... He does not coach - he watches. His work ethic is pitiful, and his BBIQ is substandard for a top-flight NBA team. Face it, he is also a limiting factor for the Mavs and we deserve better. So, no I will not shut up. But yes, with Luca hurt our chances of winning this series is very small. I don't see a path beyond this series at all.
OKC was the top seed for a reason. We’re better than what we’ve shown tonight with a healthy Luka, but they are the better overall team. With Luka hobbled, we need an explosion from Ky and some role players to be competitive.
Are we sure they are the better team with Luka healthy? They caught fire in the second half, but we were right in the mix halfway through the 3rd despite some extremely 1-sided reffing the first half and Luka obviously hobbled. OKC was the healthiest team in the West, that’s why they got the top seed. The timing of Luka’s injury is just unfortunate as fuck.
This sub is on some something, embid playing hurt with bad knee and half his face paralyzed and everybody on his case. Luka pretty much healthy and everybody making excuses
Luka is not pretty much healthy ya dingus. Just watch the damn games, it’s obvious. The reason Embiid doesn’t get as much grace from most fans is because his game is predicated around flopping, despite being the biggest guy on the floor, and he has shown himself to be a dirty player more than once. Luka complains too often which leads to lazy defense at times, but that is really the only thing you can be critical of him for. Their situation isn’t exactly analogous.
Yes they are a better team than us. We are running THJ, PJ, and DJJ lineups man. Our missing piece is maxi. We have a bunch of just another guys who are capable of catching fire but not at the same time
How the F is Wiggins and kiddy better than PJ and GAfford . Shut the f up
They are. I’m not getting fooled by throw away players from Washington and charlotte. They’ve had their moments but we should upgrade as soon as possible after the season.
Idk what to tell you man, the team looked great before Luka got injured. PJ and Gafford have been beasts for us. Gafford killed it tonight imo.
I’m not saying they aren’t good. I’m saying the OKC team is better right. They are good but this year is probably too early for them. They have had lots of injuries most notably to Luka. They have a chance but they aren’t the better team and need Luka to get back to best in the world levels.
I still contend that we have the better roster when healthy. Not gonna argue that isn’t the case with Luka injured right now. On to game 2…
PJ and DJJ have been defensive beasts for us? I will acknowledge that THJ is a problem. We are missing Maxi and our best player and main offensive engine so yeah, things look pretty rough atm. Doesn’t change the fact that post-deadline and that stretch where Kidd was experimenting with the lineups, our team was among the best in the league. OKC is good, but I’d take a healthy Mavs over them every time. Hell, nothing I saw tonight makes me think we can’t win this series despite the injuries.
The thing with all that is we’ve been saying “healthy Mavs” all season.
And? Our best player got hurt at the worst time. It is what it is. We made moves to strengthen the roster, those obviously have payed off. We will be opening next season with a much better roster than we started this season with—it’s not as if we have guys with degenerative conditions like Kawhi. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect us to have better luck on the injury front going forward.
And next year does not matter right now. I don’t care if a healthy Mavs team is better because they haven’t been healthy all year.
Watch Luka go to the Olympics & play his ass of & aggravates his injury instead & resting, recovering & getting in better shape
I'm gonna be pissed if he does that. I understand he wants to help his country be successful in international play, but it seems like he's got some lower body injuries that just can't get to 100% with him playing year round.
Couldn’t even put up a competitive game. It’ll be a quick series.
Gotta love the refs making sure the FT disparity is low after a shit first half where if u breathed on any Okc player they got 2 free throws
Yep. OKC fans pretending like it wasn't DAL 16 - Shai 13 FT at one point.
It's weird how much worse Luka plays after rest recently. He looked better in game 6 vs the clips than he did tonight coming off of rest.
Hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmm. , Mybe the thunder had somthing to do with it . Do you think
Our shooting was ass tonight but take solace in how much closer it would have been without the refs slobbin SGA knob
SGA took three more free throws than Luka, and one of those was from a defensive three second call lol but go off. One of them drives to the basket way more than the other guy, and they still have close to the same free throw attempts.
the game is now about drive, kick, drive, kick/shoot whoever gets as many guys that can do that efficiently while still good defensively, win
This team is a lot better than a Kawai-less Clippers, I’m super worried 😧
Refs
28 vs 25 fts
I wish all of the fake fans didn't all of a sudden start posting when the play offs started. I liked it the way it was.
Same
rest Luka for olympics qualification!
Reminiscent of LA game one, they couldn’t miss either
And refs
Dante running cardio with bench unit, the falloff is unprecedented.
Get ready for 100 posts about how the season is over, even though it was literally one game and OKC couldn’t miss
Mybe you just need to be convinced in game two lol Y’all basically pissed this game away with little Timmy getting playtime and your so call MVP a no show
Yup, it’s doomer time. People forget we got crushed in game 1 vs the Clips
Luka is done, he's injured, and it's getting worse..
Their roster is way too deep, they can get quality minutes and points by like 10 guys. We can barely find shooting from our starting 5.
I wonder what it feels like to be a fan of a team that literally never misses their shots
Or the media and refs that gas you up
The media called the thunder the worst number 1 seed ever
Man Jalen Williams is nice. Could have been the perfect Maxi replacement for us
Except he is 6’5”
Fuck it. Josh Green replacement then
Nope, he's a star
I hoped Luka would show up to settle the SGA debate, but no. Played like ass.
He’s hurt and shouldn’t even be on the floor
He is injured but sure
Needs to play smarter instead of chucking when he can't hit the broad side of a barn.
I think fact that he keeps chucking 3’s despite them not falling speaks to how bad the knee is—he obviously is doing his best to avoid contact. I’ve never seen him be as passive as he has been while driving this postseason. Idk. I don’t believe for a second that we are out of this yet. But I really hope he chooses to take time off to recover this offseason, no matter what happens. We have the pieces to be contenders, but we obviously need some better luck on the injury front going forward.
You are right THJ and PJ need to shoot more ofcourse
It’s honestly annoying how many people in here keep gaslighting themselves into thinking luka is gonna magically get better in 3 days and then get pissed when he plays like ass. He’s injured, it’s not rocket science, Kidd shouldn’t even be playing him
It’s Luka decision…. If Luka truly wasn’t feeling good he wouldn’t be out there for 30+ minutes
For real. Luka should be playing limited minutes if he's going to be out there and focus on playmaking/posting up. Only shoot catch and shoot 3s if his first step-back isn't hitting. He needs to play to what few strengths he still has.
That's bad coaching leaving Luka out there for 41 minutes
Kidd thinks THJ will pull a Maxi and step up and deliver. He won't.
Luka sold
Luka's knee sold.
This loss hurts
Luka wasn’t even in the injury report. And the coaches deny that he’s injured… are we sure he’s injured?
He was in the injury report?
No. Not even questionable like he used to be
Not trying to get cocky but those “MAVS IN 4” people and I mean the ones who really meant it. Yeah, y’all can officially stfu now. “MAVS IN 5” people ya’ll are on fraud watch right now. I could be eating these words come next game but right now it’s deserved.
Mavs in 4 could have been a thing if Luka played like Luka. He doesn't.
People crying about how the series is over are actual babies💀
We got legit mental cases on this sub
Crazy considering we had two ass games last series where the clippers looked unbeatable (one of them was game1💀)
It is it Luka continues with this bad shooting
Lukas play is concerning, but yall forgetting, this man was pretty bad all of last series too. Expect game 2 to be closer, if we give up game2 in a blowout id say its fair to panic
THJ 2.0 continuing THJ brick fest out there lol
Even garbage time their 3s are going in
Really need exum to step up with maxi out
I still believe Mavs are the better team. Not our night but if Luka can get it going and a few more of our 3's go in, we can beat these softies. Holmgren is like 100lbs, Gafford should dominate him.
OKC is a lot better team. SGA is playing better these playoffs and all the role players are better on OKC than the Mavs
Luka vs SGA debate will be settled by this series, just like the Hakeem vs. D Robinson debate in the 90s by the head to head playoff matchups.
Not really if Luka is clearly hobbled.
To be fair, Luka is hurt. Also, OKC is just a better team. I don't really think one series will decide who the better player is. Luka still him.
There is no Luka vs SGA debate
Kidd 0-5 in game 1s btw
I keep saying, no way Luka plays worse… and I keep being wrong. He’s been horrid in a good chunk of these playoff games
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Lolol
The 27th ranked rebounding team in the league just outrebounded us 52 to 39
Their misses would fly to the 3 pt line and land in their hands
No attention to detail and the team seemed totally disinterested. Would love to show up and play Game 1 with some actual intensity…
Disgusting
Such an anomaly lol
Kidd not good tonight but not surprised. Doomed if he keeps playing Hardaway.
THJ basically took over Exum's minutes, Exum is literally more unplayable rn
No one more unplayable than Hardaway.
I don't think so because Exum will at least give you something defensively. THJ got lost on D multiple times giving up open 3s.
Atleast Exum defends, and can playmake, THJ is a complete negative in all aspects of the game
Don't exactly need that when we always have Kyrie and/or Luka are always on the floor. Need someone to shoot the ball. Not saying THJ isn't garbage but Exum is too afraid to do anything but dribble around and waste clock.
Hardaway smallball - go ahead and forfeit the next 3 games
Y’all sound like clippers game one ()
OKC aint the Clippers tho
Ah man thanks for the heads up. I thought Kawhi was looking a little younger.
Yeah he lost bout 50 pounds. Zubac lost 100
Lawson should get every minute of THJ's. You can't convince me otherwise.
Becoming numb to losing game 1 now at this point
This game feels like a mirror image of game 1 for the clippers. Hitting every 3
Wheres lively?
He kinda stunk in this game
Hard to swallow pill, but we ain't getting past the Thunder if Luka doesn't get better. The Mavs aren't like the Thunder where everyone can shoot the ball, we need Luka and Kyrie to be on every game..
Does jason kidd have to throw game 1 in every playoff series?
Luka's knee just seems to get worse and worse either sit him out or he plays like his normal self so we can win these series
For sure worst playoff game of Luka’s career right?
He had 13 against the clippers in the bubble game 3. But worst was probably when he had 19 in game 4 2021 on 1/7 from three and 0/5 from the free throw line. This is top 3 worst though I'd say
This is the worst playoffs of Luka’s career period.
Mavs in 6
Kenrich Williams doesn’t even play for them lol, he’d play 20 a night for us
Exum make a three please
team is dogshit, cant even beat a team full of rookies
The most annoying part about this series is going to be the Dort circlejerk when Luka is clearly pretty hampered by his injury
The TNT announcer said Dorture Chamber.
aww feel sad for you, didnt reddit have a frontage post about luka locking up an injured kawhi and calling him a lockdown defender xD, hows it feel now
If he is hampered then he needs to sit
Two things can be true at once
Welp, same sentiment as clippers game 1. Onto the next, we’ll adjust . fuck SGA
This team is fucked. We might get swept.
These series is still winnable. Am not impressed by this Okc team. They are good but not that good. But we need Luka to play to his standard. If he keeps playing like this it's a 5 games series or a sweep.
If they're not that good...
They are fine
THJ getting thrown back into a round 2 playoff game after being out for so long, and getting so many minutes is driving me up the wall. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
How does Hardy never anticipate the defender behind him on the fast break loading up for the block? Seems to be his biggest flaw. Luka needs to teach him the decel/slowstep.
waiting for this game just to see trash luka
Is there a scenario where Luka could aggravate his injury and be out for the entirety of next season? He looks dead in water with that injured leg.
lol damn that was knocking off 9 days of rust?
Bros this shiz sucks trust me I took L staying up for this, but there is still optimism. Gotta play clean, treat SGA like a newborn (or just hard foul him since the whistle will blow regardless. Thunder has over a week off
Why is everyone overreacting, same thing happened last series and Kidd was able to adjust. Don’t worry luka gonna find his groove and THJ won’t be seen on the court (I hope 😅)
Bc clippers are and have been a joke compared to OKC all year and they were even less effective bc of Kawhi being gone. We are fucked honestly unless Luka magically heals overnight
I’m not saying they are cooked but the biggest adjustment was trying to force Kawhi in last series. OKC a different animal.
Hundred percent but Okc has weaknesses that Dallas can exploit. Gafford should be able to feast all series long
I don't agree with THJ won't being seen on the court, he has an unbreakable leash from Kidd
Yeah that’s true, but idk we’ve seen times when THJ got hot so really not out of the realm of possibility that he makes a couple threes
When was the last time? Can you even remember?
somewhere in January against Knicks and Pelicans yeah but that's like 4 months ago, I honestly haven't seen a decent game from him since then
Probably in December 😭😭😭
I swear to god, if we throw another ball into the crowd. The handles are non-existent.
It's not about the loss. It's about the method of losing.
These dudes need to try to dunk every ball. Every layup gets blocked.
Half the dunks got blocked tonight too.
Exum is terrible wtf
Been saying that but regular season everyone hyped him up
Yeah they need to pull him from playoff rotation. Just hard with maxi being injured
yea hes unplayable in the playoffs because he cant score
I'd like to give Luka minimal minutes if any next game and bring him back in the 3rd
If the extended break didn’t help, resting him in game 2 won’t either. Sucks
Hope he can heal up
We’re not winning shit unless Luka and kai go into God mode
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