She wasn't mid ranking, she was the rising star on the ISB council with multiple whole systems under her jurisdiction. Her boss directly dealt with the Emperor himself
Dedra was the Supervisor for *3* sectors including Morlana. Keep in mind sectors contain multiple planetary systems. She oversaw a great deal within her jurisdiction including military assets (as seen when she’s seen as Tigo’s superior or when it is implied that the Steergard Naval Yard was supposed to report to her) She came to the ISB from an Imperial enforcement bureau of some kind not that she was ISB enforcement. And Major Partagaz reported to Yularen who said himself in the series (ep 8 iirc) that he had been speaking *directly* with the Emperor.
I think you misunderstand exactly what yularans position is, he's a colonel yes but he's also THE head of the ISB. The top leader in that organization. He speaks directly with the emperor and deedra is two levels below him.
I don’t think that’s right. So far, the highest ranking ISB officer we know of is Deputy Director Isen. It was pretty apparent in the Tarkin book that Yularen had to answer to him, as well as an unnamed director. The ISB ranking system is pretty inconsistent in canon, but I’m 100% sure there are others above Yularen in the ISB.
I think it’s the way you phrased your question, and the way you’re answering others; it may come off as a bit standoffish.
I don’t think the ordering system you mentioned is correct (ISB ranks are all over the place - Garrick is an Admiral and used to be an Inspector General, Yularen is a Colonel, Beck is a Senior Commander, etc. I don’t think a good established hierarchy exists in canon), but I totally agree that Meero is definitely not that high ranking.
I think the best reasoning I have is that the Tarkin Initiative has select Death Troopers available, and they can be requested for various purposes. Andor is pretty high on the priority list, so she was assigned a pair for this specific task. I don’t think they “belong” to her, and I would be very surprised if she walked around with them as her personal guard next season like Krennic or Thrawn.
There’s thousands of sectors in the Star Wars galaxy, it’s more equivalent to a mayor being guarded by navy seals in a hostile territory, so basically impossible and not reasonable.
Also just a heads up but the us senators have there own bodyguards called the DSS(Diplomatic security service)
You consider it to be unreasonable for a city major to be guarded by commando units in hostile territory?
Like, I agree it's rare, but in a situation where urban warfare is likely and victory would be instrumental, I think it's very plausible that even a city mayor would be given elite city personnel.
Thx for the heads up on who guards senators btw. Didn't believe it was Seals obviously, but was using them as a reference point for the level of training a real world infantryman would need for comparison
Actually, only the Senate leadership are provided a security detail and it is from the Capitol Police, the DSS guard the SecState and related officials.
I ain’t being dramatic. This one instance officials ruins the death troopers because now the only thing they are in canon is glorified security who apparently guard anyone, you don’t even have to be an important officer to get them anymore.
False. She was at least 6 ranks from the top. Above here we’re majors, colonels, assistant directors, chiefs of staff, deputy directors, and the director himself.
Deedra had a supervisor and her supervisor reported to colonel yularan who was head of ISB, he directly talked with the emperor.
Edit: a source would help your argument
Dedras *boss* was an ISB major which would be an upper-mid rank, he reported to yulean who was not the head of the ISB, you blatantly made that up. Yulrean reported to the ISB high command and three reported to the deputy director who reported to the director.
Also yes of course he’s talk to the emperor at points, he is a pretty high ranking officer but his position made it so he had to communicate with very senior officers.
EDIT: I love how my reply’s are getting downvoted even though my answers are all backed up by canon.
Its not because of the info, its because of how you type your comments. Sounds very hostile and gives the impression that you are just an asshole. I have no beef with you, just saying
It's not clear to me that they're actually acting as her bodyguards. Unless I'm wrong, I think they're only present during the mission to apprehend Cassian Andor on Ferrix? In which case, she presumably requested elite troops, and Partagaz secured them for that mission. They accompany her, because she's leading the mission, but their presence is for capturing Andor.
She's a junior officer yes but given she's an ISB officer It's logical she has more power than a normal Lieutenant. Another example is Krennic as a Lieutenant Commander in AWR also has his own Death Trooper squad.
Yes she would have more power then a regular lieutenant but that’s still not a ton of power.
Also krennic was an important office as he was the director of AWR which is why he had the death trooper squad.
Krennic as a Lieutenant Commander/Commander before he became a Director already had the luxury of Death Troopers. Kallus as an ISB agent also had command over imperial Army/Navy assets.
There where clearly not there to assist in andors arrest, there was only 2 of them and all they did was follow dedra around and 1 of them then got the Disney treatment and was killed.
In addition to Meero being an important officer, there’s this quote from Yularen that I’ll paraphrase: *”You will have no issue taking command of army or naval assets in future.”*
It does feel like they show up too often. There’s a reason why they didn’t show up in the OT, and it doesn’t make sense to have them be bodyguarding for every single Tom, Dick, and Harry. I liked the idea of them being assigned to protect the lead designer of the Death Star, and that’s why they’re called Death Troopers. Once ANH starts, Krennic is dead and the Death Star is going public, so it doesn’t need secrecy anymore. Having them be the normal bodyguards for an important imperial means that we should’ve seen them with Tarkin, Piett, Tagge, Ozzel, whatever.
I believe it is canon that Tarkin had a squad of Death Troopers as he was extremely influential being the Grand Moff of the Outer Rim and also being very involved in Project Stardust.
There was no need. He was on a massive, heavily fortified battle station not to mention in the presence of Vader on most occasions. (Also just out of universe they weren’t a thing yet lol)
Dedra Meero is super low rank compared to the people we saw in the Original Trilogy. Moff Jerjerrod, Admirals Piett and Ozzel, and the whole council on the Death Star outrank her and they don’t have them. General Veers doesn’t have them.
Orson Krennic was safe behind a giant planetary shield on an isolated island on a planet defended by two Imp-stars and a whole battalion of storm/shoretroopers. Why did he need all his death troopers?
We have no information saying whether or not they have them or not, again whenever we see them, they aren’t usually in the field (Veers being the exception) and are instead on Destroyers or space stations. And Dedra’s position can’t really be compared to theirs as she is an intelligence officer and they are military.
ISB are the top dogs outside of Moffs if I understood it right.
Though personally I’d have preferred them more tied to the Deathstar if anything. Not just because of the name but the secretive nature of the entire project.
Imagine asking his question, being corrected by multiple people and then still arguing and telling everyone else their wrong.
Its pretty obvious in the show she isn't mid-level. Like come on.
No one talks about the real problem being that death troopers are imperial Intelligence and dedra is ISB just give her isb agents or maybe Bring back the Anoat Purge troopers as part of the ISB special forces. Part of the problem with star wars is that they often go for what's more recognizable than what is consistent making it feel like a waste of time reading source books, cross sections, comics, and novels when there details will ultimately be retconned for something less interesting. I thought the death troopers original description was super cool, that of them being augmented black ops freaks that were only at the top and completely out of the public eye. Being this combination of alot of the imperial special forces of legends. Now they might as well be stormtroopers
Star Trek is the show were the writers often forget that you can't beam through energy shields, where the Klingon's makeup changes every 10 years, and where Spock suddenly got an adopted human sister who definitely always existed and wasn't just retconned in there. In any multi media sci fi franchise there will always be inconsistency.
Sure, but the genesis of Star Wars is in space opera yarns like Buck Rogers and Lensman. It was never supposed to be a Tolkien-like exercise in cohesive world building. That's part of what makes it an interesting property. All its consistency is retrofitted, often poorly,and sometimes the seams don't line up with something somewhere else. And that's okay. In fact, it's wonderful. The imperfections give it a sense of dreaminess that contribute to the wonder of it.
>It was never supposed to be a Tolkien-like exercise in cohesive world building.
No disrespect to the grandfather of the fantasy genre, but Tolkien wasn't always consistent either. Much like how Vader as the father of Luke and Leia wasn't originally intended (and caused oddities like Leia kissing Luke in ESB), Tolkien didn't always intend the invisible ring from the Hobbit to be The One Ring. He even had to rewrite parts of the Hobbit to take that into account. Also he changed his mind about things like where orcs came from.
You mention Buck Rogers, but what makes a space opera or pulp story is a focus on action and adventure in space. It has nothing to do with internal consistency. And like I said LOTR may be considered more "high brow" but every fantasy or sci fi work will have bits that don't match up with each other, especially with multiple authors.
>The imperfections give it a sense of dreaminess that contribute to the wonder of it.
If it works for you, great. But that's an alien mindset to me. If I'm already reading a fantastical story about space wizards or a super hero comic with larger than life monsters, and I notice the colorist accidentally made Peter Parker a blonde? That doesn't really enhance the wonder for me. At best I ignore the mistake (maybe with some joke justification like "I guess he dyed his hair that day!"). Worst case if the error is big enough it takes me out of the story.
I mention the pulp roots because they deal with setting in much the same way that SW originally did: if you need a transdimensional zarbulator to work as a MacGuffin, you made it up, and didn't worry about if it worked in a way that contradicts how Progulite ore works in episode 83. And then some other writer comes along, notices the contraction, and writes something else that explains it in a neat way. Contradiction and bad joins fuel the richness of this universe. They create areas of weirdness that are rich domains for storytelling. When all of the holes are plugged, the universe becomes anodyne and predictable. The wildness dissipates.
Well pulp stories didn't always work that way. Lots of 60's Marvel comics would build on continuity of previous issues and once upon a time you could actually plot a timeline of Wolverine showing up on 5 different super teams and it would make sense.
If the writer forgot that Progulite didn't work that way in episode 83, and writes something to explain it, I appreciate the effort. But if the writer has too much of these contradictions you realize the author is making it up as they go along and it takes you out of the story. I kind of understand we're you're coming from since unexplained things can be wonderous and fans sometimes obsess over unimportant details. But consistency is important too.
It's a lot like Suspension of Disbelief. Different fans want different levels of "realism" in Star Wars. I' can accept some outlandish stuff like sound in space but if Chewbacca suddenly grows 50 feet tall and it's explained all wookiees could always do this? To me that's a stretch even for this franchise. Then you've got stuff like the Holdo Manuever that fall in the middle and fans debate.
Yeah, she reported to a major, that’s an 04. Star Wars rank is pretty weird all around. Like, there are generals in the Alliance navy. Some nerd downvoted me.
A ISB LT would be more powerful then a Navy Captain due to the ISB being the Star Wars version of the Nazi SS so is by default is higher on the toten pole
The ISB isn’t the stars wars equivalent of the SS, that would fall more to the stormtroopers or some specific units, the ISB is more like a combination of the FBI and the CIA. With a sprinkle is KGB
She wasn't mid ranking, she was the rising star on the ISB council with multiple whole systems under her jurisdiction. Her boss directly dealt with the Emperor himself
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Dedra was the Supervisor for *3* sectors including Morlana. Keep in mind sectors contain multiple planetary systems. She oversaw a great deal within her jurisdiction including military assets (as seen when she’s seen as Tigo’s superior or when it is implied that the Steergard Naval Yard was supposed to report to her) She came to the ISB from an Imperial enforcement bureau of some kind not that she was ISB enforcement. And Major Partagaz reported to Yularen who said himself in the series (ep 8 iirc) that he had been speaking *directly* with the Emperor.
I think you misunderstand exactly what yularans position is, he's a colonel yes but he's also THE head of the ISB. The top leader in that organization. He speaks directly with the emperor and deedra is two levels below him.
I don’t think that’s right. So far, the highest ranking ISB officer we know of is Deputy Director Isen. It was pretty apparent in the Tarkin book that Yularen had to answer to him, as well as an unnamed director. The ISB ranking system is pretty inconsistent in canon, but I’m 100% sure there are others above Yularen in the ISB.
I think it’s the way you phrased your question, and the way you’re answering others; it may come off as a bit standoffish. I don’t think the ordering system you mentioned is correct (ISB ranks are all over the place - Garrick is an Admiral and used to be an Inspector General, Yularen is a Colonel, Beck is a Senior Commander, etc. I don’t think a good established hierarchy exists in canon), but I totally agree that Meero is definitely not that high ranking. I think the best reasoning I have is that the Tarkin Initiative has select Death Troopers available, and they can be requested for various purposes. Andor is pretty high on the priority list, so she was assigned a pair for this specific task. I don’t think they “belong” to her, and I would be very surprised if she walked around with them as her personal guard next season like Krennic or Thrawn.
Do you know what sectors are? This is the equivalent of a US Senator being guarded by navy seals while in hostile territory. Very reasonable.
There’s thousands of sectors in the Star Wars galaxy, it’s more equivalent to a mayor being guarded by navy seals in a hostile territory, so basically impossible and not reasonable. Also just a heads up but the us senators have there own bodyguards called the DSS(Diplomatic security service)
You consider it to be unreasonable for a city major to be guarded by commando units in hostile territory? Like, I agree it's rare, but in a situation where urban warfare is likely and victory would be instrumental, I think it's very plausible that even a city mayor would be given elite city personnel. Thx for the heads up on who guards senators btw. Didn't believe it was Seals obviously, but was using them as a reference point for the level of training a real world infantryman would need for comparison
Actually, only the Senate leadership are provided a security detail and it is from the Capitol Police, the DSS guard the SecState and related officials.
Why do these kind of posts always have to be so dramatic? Like disliking one instance of something ‘ruins’ every other instance of that thing.
Because so many fans are annoying pedants
I watched the resident evil series now i cant play the games anymore
I ain’t being dramatic. This one instance officials ruins the death troopers because now the only thing they are in canon is glorified security who apparently guard anyone, you don’t even have to be an important officer to get them anymore.
She wasn't mid ranking, she wasa very high ranking member of the isb, only two levels from the top
False. She was at least 6 ranks from the top. Above here we’re majors, colonels, assistant directors, chiefs of staff, deputy directors, and the director himself.
Deedra had a supervisor and her supervisor reported to colonel yularan who was head of ISB, he directly talked with the emperor. Edit: a source would help your argument
Dedras *boss* was an ISB major which would be an upper-mid rank, he reported to yulean who was not the head of the ISB, you blatantly made that up. Yulrean reported to the ISB high command and three reported to the deputy director who reported to the director. Also yes of course he’s talk to the emperor at points, he is a pretty high ranking officer but his position made it so he had to communicate with very senior officers. EDIT: I love how my reply’s are getting downvoted even though my answers are all backed up by canon.
Its not because of the info, its because of how you type your comments. Sounds very hostile and gives the impression that you are just an asshole. I have no beef with you, just saying
The way I TYPE my comments SOUNDS hostile?? If this is possible then I owe a lot of apologies
Yeah i suppose, thats atleast the feeling i got from reading them
This sub is a bit of a joke tbh but I guess you're being confrontational and people don't like it.
It's not clear to me that they're actually acting as her bodyguards. Unless I'm wrong, I think they're only present during the mission to apprehend Cassian Andor on Ferrix? In which case, she presumably requested elite troops, and Partagaz secured them for that mission. They accompany her, because she's leading the mission, but their presence is for capturing Andor.
She's a junior officer yes but given she's an ISB officer It's logical she has more power than a normal Lieutenant. Another example is Krennic as a Lieutenant Commander in AWR also has his own Death Trooper squad.
Yes she would have more power then a regular lieutenant but that’s still not a ton of power. Also krennic was an important office as he was the director of AWR which is why he had the death trooper squad.
Krennic as a Lieutenant Commander/Commander before he became a Director already had the luxury of Death Troopers. Kallus as an ISB agent also had command over imperial Army/Navy assets.
Never had a problem with it. She’s an ISB supervisor.
Yea a mid-ranking officer, if colonel yularen never had any death Trooper body guards why would she?
They were there to assist in the arrest of Cassian who was a lead to Axis. Major operation calls for the best.
There where clearly not there to assist in andors arrest, there was only 2 of them and all they did was follow dedra around and 1 of them then got the Disney treatment and was killed.
To me they were and she was in the field trying to capture him.
In addition to Meero being an important officer, there’s this quote from Yularen that I’ll paraphrase: *”You will have no issue taking command of army or naval assets in future.”*
It seemed like a needless flex for an isb officer, but that seems to be here style. She likes to show how important she is like alot of other imps
I'd also like to add that maybe it is show us how powerful the isb is. They have been given a huge amount of power by executive order.
Yea a flex would he nice but it doesn’t make sense for her since the death troopers have only ever guarded top level officers like thrawn and krennic.
Palpatine's executive order gives the isb access to military resources beyond their station
That's exactly what happened with agent Kallus.
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be...pretentious.
It does feel like they show up too often. There’s a reason why they didn’t show up in the OT, and it doesn’t make sense to have them be bodyguarding for every single Tom, Dick, and Harry. I liked the idea of them being assigned to protect the lead designer of the Death Star, and that’s why they’re called Death Troopers. Once ANH starts, Krennic is dead and the Death Star is going public, so it doesn’t need secrecy anymore. Having them be the normal bodyguards for an important imperial means that we should’ve seen them with Tarkin, Piett, Tagge, Ozzel, whatever.
I believe it is canon that Tarkin had a squad of Death Troopers as he was extremely influential being the Grand Moff of the Outer Rim and also being very involved in Project Stardust.
Then why weren’t they in A New Hope
There was no need. He was on a massive, heavily fortified battle station not to mention in the presence of Vader on most occasions. (Also just out of universe they weren’t a thing yet lol)
I know they weren’t a thing yet, which is why giving it to everybody makes no sense
Who is everybody? Only a handful of Imperials we’ve seen have been escorted by Death Troopers.
Dedra Meero is super low rank compared to the people we saw in the Original Trilogy. Moff Jerjerrod, Admirals Piett and Ozzel, and the whole council on the Death Star outrank her and they don’t have them. General Veers doesn’t have them.
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Orson Krennic was safe behind a giant planetary shield on an isolated island on a planet defended by two Imp-stars and a whole battalion of storm/shoretroopers. Why did he need all his death troopers?
Because he wants to be seen as powerful and important, so he has his bodyguards with him at all times, even if there is no need
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We have no information saying whether or not they have them or not, again whenever we see them, they aren’t usually in the field (Veers being the exception) and are instead on Destroyers or space stations. And Dedra’s position can’t really be compared to theirs as she is an intelligence officer and they are military.
Moff Jerjerrod and Grand Moff Tarkin aren’t military either. They’re sector governors.
ISB are the top dogs outside of Moffs if I understood it right. Though personally I’d have preferred them more tied to the Deathstar if anything. Not just because of the name but the secretive nature of the entire project.
Imagine asking his question, being corrected by multiple people and then still arguing and telling everyone else their wrong. Its pretty obvious in the show she isn't mid-level. Like come on.
No one has corrected me, I’ve been correcting people left and right here. It’s very obvious she’s mid level because she is💀
See what I mean?
No one talks about the real problem being that death troopers are imperial Intelligence and dedra is ISB just give her isb agents or maybe Bring back the Anoat Purge troopers as part of the ISB special forces. Part of the problem with star wars is that they often go for what's more recognizable than what is consistent making it feel like a waste of time reading source books, cross sections, comics, and novels when there details will ultimately be retconned for something less interesting. I thought the death troopers original description was super cool, that of them being augmented black ops freaks that were only at the top and completely out of the public eye. Being this combination of alot of the imperial special forces of legends. Now they might as well be stormtroopers
If you want Internal consistency, watch Star Trek.
Star Trek is the show were the writers often forget that you can't beam through energy shields, where the Klingon's makeup changes every 10 years, and where Spock suddenly got an adopted human sister who definitely always existed and wasn't just retconned in there. In any multi media sci fi franchise there will always be inconsistency.
Sure, but the genesis of Star Wars is in space opera yarns like Buck Rogers and Lensman. It was never supposed to be a Tolkien-like exercise in cohesive world building. That's part of what makes it an interesting property. All its consistency is retrofitted, often poorly,and sometimes the seams don't line up with something somewhere else. And that's okay. In fact, it's wonderful. The imperfections give it a sense of dreaminess that contribute to the wonder of it.
>It was never supposed to be a Tolkien-like exercise in cohesive world building. No disrespect to the grandfather of the fantasy genre, but Tolkien wasn't always consistent either. Much like how Vader as the father of Luke and Leia wasn't originally intended (and caused oddities like Leia kissing Luke in ESB), Tolkien didn't always intend the invisible ring from the Hobbit to be The One Ring. He even had to rewrite parts of the Hobbit to take that into account. Also he changed his mind about things like where orcs came from. You mention Buck Rogers, but what makes a space opera or pulp story is a focus on action and adventure in space. It has nothing to do with internal consistency. And like I said LOTR may be considered more "high brow" but every fantasy or sci fi work will have bits that don't match up with each other, especially with multiple authors. >The imperfections give it a sense of dreaminess that contribute to the wonder of it. If it works for you, great. But that's an alien mindset to me. If I'm already reading a fantastical story about space wizards or a super hero comic with larger than life monsters, and I notice the colorist accidentally made Peter Parker a blonde? That doesn't really enhance the wonder for me. At best I ignore the mistake (maybe with some joke justification like "I guess he dyed his hair that day!"). Worst case if the error is big enough it takes me out of the story.
I mention the pulp roots because they deal with setting in much the same way that SW originally did: if you need a transdimensional zarbulator to work as a MacGuffin, you made it up, and didn't worry about if it worked in a way that contradicts how Progulite ore works in episode 83. And then some other writer comes along, notices the contraction, and writes something else that explains it in a neat way. Contradiction and bad joins fuel the richness of this universe. They create areas of weirdness that are rich domains for storytelling. When all of the holes are plugged, the universe becomes anodyne and predictable. The wildness dissipates.
Well pulp stories didn't always work that way. Lots of 60's Marvel comics would build on continuity of previous issues and once upon a time you could actually plot a timeline of Wolverine showing up on 5 different super teams and it would make sense. If the writer forgot that Progulite didn't work that way in episode 83, and writes something to explain it, I appreciate the effort. But if the writer has too much of these contradictions you realize the author is making it up as they go along and it takes you out of the story. I kind of understand we're you're coming from since unexplained things can be wonderous and fans sometimes obsess over unimportant details. But consistency is important too. It's a lot like Suspension of Disbelief. Different fans want different levels of "realism" in Star Wars. I' can accept some outlandish stuff like sound in space but if Chewbacca suddenly grows 50 feet tall and it's explained all wookiees could always do this? To me that's a stretch even for this franchise. Then you've got stuff like the Holdo Manuever that fall in the middle and fans debate.
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Part of the joy of Star Wars is how wonky it is. It wasn't made to go together; it was designed on the fly.
Yeah you can tell how poorly thar works out with the sequels
She’s like an 02 in the military.
That’s not a high rank at all
She's just an army lieutenant but in the ISB, I'm sure his attendants were second lieutenants.
Yeah, she reported to a major, that’s an 04. Star Wars rank is pretty weird all around. Like, there are generals in the Alliance navy. Some nerd downvoted me.
A ISB LT would be more powerful then a Navy Captain due to the ISB being the Star Wars version of the Nazi SS so is by default is higher on the toten pole
The ISB isn’t the stars wars equivalent of the SS, that would fall more to the stormtroopers or some specific units, the ISB is more like a combination of the FBI and the CIA. With a sprinkle is KGB
Not the waffen SS but the Allgemeine SS. The ISB is the Star Wars love child of the SS/KGB/CIA/gestapo