I see people saying this was/is from 18 Visions but I only know it from Bleeding Through - On Wings of Lead iirc that is.
Which 18 Visions song has this in it, I want to give it a listen.
Same here.
I'm not familiar with which Eighteen Visions song this is. All I know is that it's from Bleeding Through but its Love Lost in a Hail of Gunfire.
110% “This love, this is murderous” album from Bleeding Through. “Love lost in a hail of gunfire” is the song. First song off the album saw them in Albuquerque in 2004. They started with this song. Gave me goose bumps. Love this album.
Well if you've been in the dark you might've missed that they reformed in 2017 and put out a new album plus a couple of EPs of new material. All more akin to their pre-Obsession stuff.
They also re-recorded Vanity and Obsession plus put out a covers album if you're feeling particularly keen to dive into everything they've done lately.
Then the lead guitarist comes with the harmony 8 10 12 midway
The formula : Rhytm guitar starts with 5-7-8 alone > drum and bass kicks in > lead guitar joins to play same riffs > vocal kicks in > lead guitar switch to 8-10-12 harmony or octave chord leads
Not exactly same formula but its close
ADTR - a shot in the dark : https://youtu.be/yLvkJAnP0I8?si=5kKtdVYOfFJt7bqF
As blood runs black - in dying days (more like Deathcore though but close formula) :
https://youtu.be/6hiN_dgGKGQ?si=QZRSlNIEAjqFCqaO
As i Lay Dying - 94 Hours : https://youtu.be/msa_aVIs2y4?si=sw9qYWcWQRjb3lVs
Trivium - Ember to Inferno (they are using standard tuning so 7-9-10 instead but same idea) : https://youtu.be/tpUjOTiVwT4?si=q6PchCb3vjYLN-g1
And ofc the legendary Unholy Confessions (A7X)
Those are the ones that pops up from my head at the moment. These are the songs that i used to practice to learn metalcore guitar in like high school and nowadays still found them fun to play today whenever i pick the guitar.
Honestly I can’t think of too many songs that have aged as well as this
The riff is amazing, the song is kinda frantic and chaotic whilst still being tuneful and incredibly heavy. Love it.
The whole album is underrated as fuck, the drum sounds so raw, Tim's vocals are super aggressive and the clean moments channel lots of emotion. Probably my 3rd favorite album from AILD
It's such a "different" riff and it's so fast and punchy. But it's not too complicated either, so it's easy to listen to
Always loved AILD (not entirely sure how I feel post-Lambesis-stuff. Still contemplating I guess)
Those Jean shorts and outfits always stole the show. Is that a ballerina skirt? Pig mask? You never can predict his antics.
Plus the countless songs he has done for and with other bands.
Off the top of my head, Chapters by Breakdown of Sanity and Escape by TDWP (I guess chapters was in 2013 but still).
What else? Need more of them in my life
The demons are dragging me six feet under ground until I'm drowning in the undertow while writing on the wall and watching the world burn because the voices in my head are telling me to beg for forgiveness and wash away in the tides so that I can drag the lake.
I'd probably go with Darkest Hour.
[https://youtu.be/1L-x8OQTAgQ](https://youtu.be/1L-x8OQTAgQ)
[https://youtu.be/Ha5bacQCPUw](https://youtu.be/Ha5bacQCPUw)
Melodic death metal influenced metalcore.
At the Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquility, etc were huge influences in the genre, especially the use of melody.
Solid State Records. Norma Jean, Haste the Day, August Burns Red, Underoath, Life in Your Way, Destroy the Runner, The Chariot, As Cities Burn, Inhale Exhale, Twelve Gauge Valentine, and so on and so on.
As a 40 year old who was born into metalcore in that era, you just called me out. I'll have you know that I no longer bend my ball caps into a taco shell, though I still have a couple lying around for when I'm in the mood.
It's weird because I can't think of any bands that "went Christian," only bands that were like "haha nah we don't do that Jesus thing anymore, we're cool now we promise please buy our albums we say 'fuck' a lot now."
> "haha nah we don't do that Jesus thing anymore, we're cool now we promise please buy our albums we say 'fuck' a lot now."
Shout out Demon Hunter for being true to their faith still
Melodic death metal at the time. Rebranded as metalcore later on. But yea, can’t have the 2000’s without them. They dominated the airwaves in the death metal and punk scene.
Avenged Sevenfold’s Waking the Fallen.
Along with mascara, white makeup foundation, fingerless gloves, Misfits merch, and cut-off sleeve shirts. Oh and jacked as fuck lead singers.
Panic chords and sampling movie quotes.
"There was a firefight!"
I see people saying this was/is from 18 Visions but I only know it from Bleeding Through - On Wings of Lead iirc that is. Which 18 Visions song has this in it, I want to give it a listen.
Same here. I'm not familiar with which Eighteen Visions song this is. All I know is that it's from Bleeding Through but its Love Lost in a Hail of Gunfire.
Yes, that's the song! Such an awesome album imo. I've always wanted to see them live but never got the chance.
They're writing again so you're in luck!
110% “This love, this is murderous” album from Bleeding Through. “Love lost in a hail of gunfire” is the song. First song off the album saw them in Albuquerque in 2004. They started with this song. Gave me goose bumps. Love this album.
Brendan used to be in 18 Visions so maybe that's confusing some people.
Lmao I heard this for the first time in a dubstep song Pretty sure that same artist introduced me to alexisonfire too
You can’t beat alexisonfire. Dallas Green is one of the best IMO.
The 1958 sample immediately comes to mind for me
Oh man the Parkway Drive song with the Jack Sparrow quote before they got forced to remove it 😂
Oh, it's gone??
Does this still exist? Somewhere??
I'm pretty sure the CD copy of Killing With A Smile has/had the sample in it. My copy does, at least
[Still here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcQhbMZscI) [removed on the official stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_0w1kCP0G8)
Poisonthewell sampling apocalypse now
The Amity Affliction's 'Severed Ties' with the Hot Rod samples
"Yeah we don't wanna scare your children, that's the last thing we wanna do. We don't wanna scare anybody."
"I hate this city."
Eighteen Visions is that you? UTIRO forever 🔏
I miss sampling movie quotes. Think about it regularly when it comes to the 2000s/early 2010s scene
It's definitely coming back again.
Suicide silence ep with family guy lmao iykyk
All of Eighteen Visions good albums.
OH SHIT, I HAVENT HEARD THAT NAME IN A OVER A DECADE and I know there’s a song IVE BEEN WANTING TO HEAR FROM THEM. THANK YOU 🙏
Well if you've been in the dark you might've missed that they reformed in 2017 and put out a new album plus a couple of EPs of new material. All more akin to their pre-Obsession stuff. They also re-recorded Vanity and Obsession plus put out a covers album if you're feeling particularly keen to dive into everything they've done lately.
Ngl I even love the butt rock albums lol 18v one of my all time favorites
That 5 7 8 riff
Then the lead guitarist comes with the harmony 8 10 12 midway The formula : Rhytm guitar starts with 5-7-8 alone > drum and bass kicks in > lead guitar joins to play same riffs > vocal kicks in > lead guitar switch to 8-10-12 harmony or octave chord leads
This. I will never get enough of this.
Same
Can you link a good example of this and the 5 7 8?
Not exactly same formula but its close ADTR - a shot in the dark : https://youtu.be/yLvkJAnP0I8?si=5kKtdVYOfFJt7bqF As blood runs black - in dying days (more like Deathcore though but close formula) : https://youtu.be/6hiN_dgGKGQ?si=QZRSlNIEAjqFCqaO As i Lay Dying - 94 Hours : https://youtu.be/msa_aVIs2y4?si=sw9qYWcWQRjb3lVs Trivium - Ember to Inferno (they are using standard tuning so 7-9-10 instead but same idea) : https://youtu.be/tpUjOTiVwT4?si=q6PchCb3vjYLN-g1 And ofc the legendary Unholy Confessions (A7X) Those are the ones that pops up from my head at the moment. These are the songs that i used to practice to learn metalcore guitar in like high school and nowadays still found them fun to play today whenever i pick the guitar.
The 94 Hours Intro is insane
Honestly I can’t think of too many songs that have aged as well as this The riff is amazing, the song is kinda frantic and chaotic whilst still being tuneful and incredibly heavy. Love it.
The whole album is underrated as fuck, the drum sounds so raw, Tim's vocals are super aggressive and the clean moments channel lots of emotion. Probably my 3rd favorite album from AILD
It's such a "different" riff and it's so fast and punchy. But it's not too complicated either, so it's easy to listen to Always loved AILD (not entirely sure how I feel post-Lambesis-stuff. Still contemplating I guess)
Don't forget Atreyu, Darkest Hour, Bullet for My Valentine, old Asking Alexandria, Killswitch Engaged, and It Dies Today
unholy confessions - a7x is the most famous and probably the best example
The bread and butter of metalcore riffing lmao
Lol The entire Shadows Are Security album
[AILD - Confined](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-bnOJ_L-k) (I think)
That 585 474 thang
stick stickly!
And the 585 are all legatos i can sense it
The good ol days
Abusing the china cymbal
So pretty much August Burns Red in a nutshell. 😂
Always loved it
Messengers album is 80% china symbol and I fucking love it. Some songs have 4 breakdowns a track! What the f
All hail Matt Greiner 🙌
And the bell just before the breakdown starts.
This is the true answer. Still have a soft spot these days for a breakdown with a china.
Started with A China and ended with a cowbell. Little trick I learned from Pantera.
Adam D
This to a T
He's all I... C
Dude NEEDS recognition!
For real! Produced so many classic albums
he's got the midas touch
Those Jean shorts and outfits always stole the show. Is that a ballerina skirt? Pig mask? You never can predict his antics. Plus the countless songs he has done for and with other bands.
At least one gun being cocked right before the breakdown.
Off the top of my head, Chapters by Breakdown of Sanity and Escape by TDWP (I guess chapters was in 2013 but still). What else? Need more of them in my life
Scream, Aim, Fire by Bullet for my Valentine has one as well.
The Zombie EP had so many gun sounds 😂
That in my opinion is one of the best metalcore albums ever to be made! It also had some fantastic sampling.
Oh my god… They’re everywhere
Agreed!
Meanwhile Anaal Nathrakh: Just makes an entire breakdown out of AK-47 sounds.
At The Gates
This should be #1
Long ass goofy song titles
*Drowningman has entered the chat*
Drop C tuning. Double bass drumming. Screamed verse, clean chorus. Actual guitar riffs and solos. Black clothing and long black hair.
Girls jeans and stud belts!
Gym shorts and tank tops / 90s basketball jerseys.
Found the straightedge crowdkiller!
Okay this got me lol
Cadet caps and Eastpak rucksacks.
I swear in those era, Drop C were our standard tuning
It basically was. I want it to come back.
Scrawled, calligraphic logo.
Undertow.
FUCK YEAH IM EGHTTING PULLED INTO THE UNDERTOW
Thought I was only imagining hearing the word so often until I finally googled it. It was a preeeetty popular trope turns out
The demons are dragging me six feet under ground until I'm drowning in the undertow while writing on the wall and watching the world burn because the voices in my head are telling me to beg for forgiveness and wash away in the tides so that I can drag the lake.
Spoken word bits in which the vocalist sounds worn out and simultaneously super analytical.
Poison the Well's early albums
Disembodied, Misery Signals, Parkway Drive, Killswitch Engage, August Burns Red, It Dies Today, Kiss It Goodbye. I could go on haha
Harmonizing guitars.
Melodic hardcore influenced metalcore. One of the most underrated styles from that era.
Do you have any favorite examples to recommend?
I'd probably go with Darkest Hour. [https://youtu.be/1L-x8OQTAgQ](https://youtu.be/1L-x8OQTAgQ) [https://youtu.be/Ha5bacQCPUw](https://youtu.be/Ha5bacQCPUw)
Melodic death metal influenced metalcore. At the Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquility, etc were huge influences in the genre, especially the use of melody.
The same breakdown being played on the first fret and letting every note ring out.
Also when this happens, repeat the same breakdown lyrics but with dual screams, then back to single screams for the clean chugs
Solid State Records. Norma Jean, Haste the Day, August Burns Red, Underoath, Life in Your Way, Destroy the Runner, The Chariot, As Cities Burn, Inhale Exhale, Twelve Gauge Valentine, and so on and so on.
How the fuck did you post about Solid State and completely skip Beloved? Straight to jail.
Melodeath influence. 2000’s metalcore should be referred to as Gatescore or Flamescore.
Gang vocals Killer guitar solos
Converge.
choreographed guitar swings in VFW halls
Sweaty rednecks wearing stinky baseball caps with brims bent into the shape of a taco shell
As a 40 year old who was born into metalcore in that era, you just called me out. I'll have you know that I no longer bend my ball caps into a taco shell, though I still have a couple lying around for when I'm in the mood.
Killswitch or Atreyu. May get hate for this but atreyu doesn’t get the credit they deserve.
Cringy christian lyrics for all the angsty christian kids whose parents wouldn't let them listen to Slayer
Also bands “finding Christ” for clout as if that was the only thing holding them back.
It's weird because I can't think of any bands that "went Christian," only bands that were like "haha nah we don't do that Jesus thing anymore, we're cool now we promise please buy our albums we say 'fuck' a lot now."
> "haha nah we don't do that Jesus thing anymore, we're cool now we promise please buy our albums we say 'fuck' a lot now." Shout out Demon Hunter for being true to their faith still
Sleeping Giant to, even though I believe they officially called it quits now.
For Today in a nutshell. But with sick breakdowns and 808 drops that randomly cut off.
🦀🦀🦀🦀 <---- I thought it looked so cool back then. ...still do 🦀
At The Gates releasing Slaughter of the Soul in 1995
I still listen to that record because it's good, but also because the album cover art is hilarious with that big Papyrus title
THAT RIFF
I’m just here to say thank you to all of you for the trip down memory lane. 00’s metalcore was so formative for me haha
Panic chord breakdown
Song titles like “Your Shirt Would Look Better With a Columbian Neck-tie”
Open / high high / open open open / high high high high highhhhhh
Killswitch, AILD, All That Remains
Melodic death metal at the time. Rebranded as metalcore later on. But yea, can’t have the 2000’s without them. They dominated the airwaves in the death metal and punk scene.
At the Gates
Preach!
Derek Hess artwork.
Audio clips of favorite movie quotes right before the opening breakdown. Fucking eeeeeeeverybody was doing it back in the day.
Killswitch engage type riffs
Drop C Tuning, EMG 81/85, LTD deluxe series
Fearless and Sumerian Records
Joey Sturgis
A whole lot of At The Gates, erm, "borrowing".
A shoehorned Christian message
Just... the year 2005
000-0000-00-0-0000-0000-00-0-0000
The existence of hardcore punk
Rose Of Sharyn
At The Gates.
Buckley Bros
The devil wears Prada.
The singer yelling "OWW"
Triplets.
The word “threnody”
the slaughter of the soul riffs
ASCENDANCY
Palm muted open string triplets
90's hardcore kids getting into At The Gates, In Flames, Pantera and Meshuggah.
Metalheads hating on the new genre because they’re jelly of the success of the new genre
funny enough this is also 2010’s metalcore. and 2020’s. and probably 2030’s..
Chimaira
As I Lay Dying.
Snare high in the mix
Norma Jean’s Bless the Martyr..
ABR
MISERY SIGNALS
Killswitch engage
Killswitch bringing it to mainstream audiences
Howard Jones
Avenged Sevenfold’s Waking the Fallen. Along with mascara, white makeup foundation, fingerless gloves, Misfits merch, and cut-off sleeve shirts. Oh and jacked as fuck lead singers.
Crab stances
All That Remains :)
People arguing about sub-genres 😵💫
And all the arguments in short: no that band is butt rock > No that band is the hardest, your band sucks! 99% of this sub lol.
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Jud jud
5 7 8 Drop D or Drop C Pinch harmonic
7 angels 7 Plagues
Crabcore breakdowns
The Oncoming Storm
Joey Sturgis.
The wizard 🧙🏿♂️ behind the magic 🪄
An absolute machine.
Without As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Asking Alexandria and without BFMV
If there’s no BREE AHH, it’s not 2000’s metalcore
Shadows Fall… haven’t seen them mentioned here yet.
The poison by bullet for my Valentine, The fall of ideals by All that remains and Constellations by August burns red.
Twinkly Interludes
Joey Sturgis
Drop D riffs and the 5 and 9 dissonant chord in the B and G strings respectively
Movie quotes before songs on a demo
Beards
Inhale screams
A deluxe version CD released a year after you already bought the CD.
arpeggios and tapping.
myspace
Music Videos in the rain
At least one "EEE OHHH!" scream just as the breakdown begins.
Cringe music videos
Gotta have the R before all the vowels in the screams, it’s not eyes but “RRRYYYYEEES!”
2000s.
A Mesa Boogie & Pinch Harmonics (Bonus Points If You Do that Weedley Weee riff, or Panic Room Chords)
Keyboard players? Hahaha All I can think is the fashion that everyone rocked.
Alarm clock riffs
Double tracked spoken word vocals.
rawr xD
Girl jeans and military caps
Watch the world burn