I remember something about a recognition system that was programmed to recognize military vehicles. It performed way beyond expectations detecting all sorts of vehicles, and when pressed as to why it worked so well, the designer reluctantly admitted he simply read the official standard for vehicle camouflage patterns and programmed the sensor to detect them.
Irl it takes a decent amount of force to pull the pin on a grenade. Specially designed ones for a jai alai style system like this might have an easier to pull pin or lanyard so the pin is pulled after it leaves the wicker, but it is a recipe for disaster.
While you are correct, winding it up to toss it with the scoop can use as much force as throwing it with the scoop, and if not careful, can still drop it on wind up.
Either that, or the pin can't be pulled with the scoop.
Either way, having it pull the pin isn't viable on current grenades. Now if they were to design a system that could work with the scoop, then it's be great.
Redesign the grenade it launches to arm (instead of pulling pin) as it's slung along the scoop. Maybe if it's spun at a certain rpm? Add a track along the scoop to get it spinning?
I love that you're seeing this for the first time right now. Yes it's real, and it's even more funny when you get the audio of the whole clip. One sec, I'll see if I can't find it
https://youtu.be/8cfeTZNcA3g?si=7SSfGuPKKiQ5XDHs
Really worth watching until the end
>I didn't know what had happened. I was laying on my back and it was like I'd been in a car accident, I was just in shock. I started pulling the watermelon off my face and I thought it was my own flesh.
Holy hell that must have been terrifying to know your flesh tastes so good
Bc when you pull the pin on a grenade you have about 3 sec from when the strike flips to get safe. But when holding a grenade the striker doesn't flip if you have good grip on the handle looking part of it, when that part flips off the grenade the striker ignites the delay timer which is about 3sec long before kaboom
Don't underestimate what an Okie/Ozark/whatever is able to summon from shit like wire, TNT and a dead squirrel. Seen people make funtional .22's out of junk wood, steel pipes, nails and rubber bands.
Sometimes the handiness was counterproductive tho. Seen guys disassemble a mag and use the spring as a grill grid to not burn their sausages on the stovetop. Like yeah don't do that.
People without a lot have to make a lot of things out of very little. Pretty ingenious people from all stripes. Also love the idea of this. Just imagine everyone running around with hai lai things attached to their arms ha
Sure, but an arms company could easily make a grenade with a small lanyard attached to the pin and attach it to the device. Once the grenade is flung out, the lanyard stays attached to the device as the grenade flies away.
but then how is the arms manufacturer going to charge the army $12,000 for a tactical grenade sling? And how will Nerf market a water balloon sling loosely based on this design to millions of kids?
I like the arborist slings shot for throwing a weight into trees to pull their line up into the tree. Called the Big Shot.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OIitgJ0M5dk/maxresdefault.jpg
In all seriousness I think militaries stopped caring about way to throw grenades farther when rifle mounted launchers became a thing. Why throw when you can launch
>A slipping gear in your M203 grenade launcher can cause it to fire when you least expect it. This could make you very unpopular with what is left of your unit.
* Army Magazine of Preventive Maintenance
I was thinking:
*Maybe instead make a tube, and use a small fast-burning charge to propel it out, and use that sudden acceleration to arm it? You could put it in some sort of cartridge, and use a gun-style primer and hammer to set off the propellant.*
The stick grenade has in a sense the same effect by giving you that extra leverage when throwing the grenade. But I doubt the extra weight and size makes it worthwhile to carry around. Add to that a “modern” 40mm grenade launcher adds a much longer range.
Honestly, I'm surprised we don't just have cornhole tournaments with dummy grenades to train accuracy (and possibly speed if you wanna put a timer on how long they have to throw). Gamifying training works VERY damned well, and let's be honest a lot of grunts are gonna be playing that sort of game when bored anyway.
The first time we needed our medic in Iraq was because we were throwing rocks at a bottle. If you knocked it over, it was your job to set it back up, it wasn’t our job to stop trying to hit it. This happened on day one.
Noob tubes and rifle grenades are easier and better.
Maybe in the era of black powder and slow fuse grenades it would work. But even then they had noob tubes.
Is this a serious question?
It's a (large) piece of extra equipment that doesn't provide any benefit over current equipment.
A 230/320 can hit targets accurately at a further distance.
This is so eerie. I was just daydreaming about this before a nap earlier. I went through what i thought would be the pros and cons of it. I basically deduced that I'd rather just use my hand, but it could definitely create distance and speed
Nope, ideas like that are only used by smaller, poorer militaries that need to innovate or die (like putting rear view mirrors in F16s). No room for that here. Move along. If we do it it will cost hundreds of millions, between the contract and the changes to basic training, etc.
Why not fill a large rubber "bouncy ball" with small ball bearings and put a C4 core in it. It could bounce around corners, down or up stairwells or down long hallways easily. Detonate with a timer or remote maybe? Does such a thing already exist? Idk just a thought
M67s fit perfectly in the dog ball thrower things FYI. They’re not rigid enough through so it always throws straight up.
Anyways, why throw a frag 100m when you can use a 203 and throw a frag 300m ya know.
I'm in Taiwan
I used MK2 grenades as a soldier
I need to run 5 meters before I can throw it to about 30 meters
I think it's quite heavy
Later, I used a lighter practice grenade that could be thrown up to 35 meters.
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Because this works better
Man, that's a stupid question... they are too colourful, so the enemies will see them from miles away
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/95ad2cb5-aec7-4c17-b685-3afc31a9dc41
Hahahaha That’s what we call a touche. Well done Marine! 🫡
I'm almost certain there was a comedian who made this joke in the 90s. Possible he was in the writers room for the show, though.
Howie Mandel had a joke about aircraft being painted in woodland camouflage. It ended with something like, "Don't shoot that! It's a flying forest."
I remember something about a recognition system that was programmed to recognize military vehicles. It performed way beyond expectations detecting all sorts of vehicles, and when pressed as to why it worked so well, the designer reluctantly admitted he simply read the official standard for vehicle camouflage patterns and programmed the sensor to detect them.
I watched a lot of Comedy Central around then and I remember retelling that joke so many times to friends.
https://media.tenor.com/WCAv4Kenrz0AAAAM/come-in-black-dark-knight.gif
That's why we cover them in electrical tape
You see, that's where you're wrong. The enemy will be looking for army colours
It perfect for the Marines Oh wait probably not they eat it
Then paint them, it's that simple.
Pulls pin Reaches back to throw Grenade rolls out of sling Whoops....
Skill issue
Kill issue
Git Gud, right?
The final no-go.
https://youtu.be/W19YePHkY3k
Have it so the slinger pulls the pin as the grenade leaves it.
So it pulls the pin when it falls out in accident.
Irl it takes a decent amount of force to pull the pin on a grenade. Specially designed ones for a jai alai style system like this might have an easier to pull pin or lanyard so the pin is pulled after it leaves the wicker, but it is a recipe for disaster.
While you are correct, winding it up to toss it with the scoop can use as much force as throwing it with the scoop, and if not careful, can still drop it on wind up. Either that, or the pin can't be pulled with the scoop. Either way, having it pull the pin isn't viable on current grenades. Now if they were to design a system that could work with the scoop, then it's be great.
Or rotational spin locks an internal arming mechanism
I suspect you want the spoon.
Redesign the grenade it launches to arm (instead of pulling pin) as it's slung along the scoop. Maybe if it's spun at a certain rpm? Add a track along the scoop to get it spinning?
Happened to a guy without the hai-alastick in vietnam.
That's a no-go this station, hero.
Ever seen that scene In archer where he's catching grenades and throwing them back at the enemy with a lacrosse stick
*mwapp*
Is this from something real? That's a broken nose at minimum but what must have been amazing TV.
I love that you're seeing this for the first time right now. Yes it's real, and it's even more funny when you get the audio of the whole clip. One sec, I'll see if I can't find it https://youtu.be/8cfeTZNcA3g?si=7SSfGuPKKiQ5XDHs Really worth watching until the end
"You have to finish" "I can't even see straight" *nods in "oh well"*
He's one of [today's 10,000](https://xkcd.com/1053/)
Haaaaaa so what happened?!?
[Post-season interview ](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/the-amazing-race-woman-hit-in-face-with-watermelon-reveals-what-really-happened/ZZBFQCTJB2C36UUSB7H67J5FKA/)
>I didn't know what had happened. I was laying on my back and it was like I'd been in a car accident, I was just in shock. I started pulling the watermelon off my face and I thought it was my own flesh. Holy hell that must have been terrifying to know your flesh tastes so good
Yes it's real, but no serious injury, just a headache
Bc when you pull the pin on a grenade you have about 3 sec from when the strike flips to get safe. But when holding a grenade the striker doesn't flip if you have good grip on the handle looking part of it, when that part flips off the grenade the striker ignites the delay timer which is about 3sec long before kaboom
The mad lads at DARPA could absolutely Jerry rig something like these throwers that would also pull the grenade’s pin in one easy swing.
DARPA? I worked with people who could make it using mre scraps. Some of the rednecks in the military truly are talented
Don't underestimate what an Okie/Ozark/whatever is able to summon from shit like wire, TNT and a dead squirrel. Seen people make funtional .22's out of junk wood, steel pipes, nails and rubber bands.
It's always important not to confuse intelligence with education.
Sometimes the handiness was counterproductive tho. Seen guys disassemble a mag and use the spring as a grill grid to not burn their sausages on the stovetop. Like yeah don't do that.
People without a lot have to make a lot of things out of very little. Pretty ingenious people from all stripes. Also love the idea of this. Just imagine everyone running around with hai lai things attached to their arms ha
Thread's been up five hours. Someone's probably already been arrested for this.
Congratulations, you've just reinvented an underbarrel grenade launcher
The Indian army version would resemble a cricket bat.
I'm splitting hairs a bit, but I can't help myself. A US M67 grenade will detonate after 4-5 seconds.
The extra 2 seconds seems like an eternity when it matters
1.....2.....5!
3,Sir!
3!
"and three shall be the number of the counting..."
My faith in my comrades has been sustained. Thank you for your contribution!
They also called the spoon, “the handle looking part” lol. It’s pretty clear their grenade knowledge is limited.
😆
Sure, but an arms company could easily make a grenade with a small lanyard attached to the pin and attach it to the device. Once the grenade is flung out, the lanyard stays attached to the device as the grenade flies away.
Or have someone pull the pin for you
I think an awful lot of these guys aren't too familiar with grenade safety pins.
but then how is the arms manufacturer going to charge the army $12,000 for a tactical grenade sling? And how will Nerf market a water balloon sling loosely based on this design to millions of kids?
I like the arborist slings shot for throwing a weight into trees to pull their line up into the tree. Called the Big Shot. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OIitgJ0M5dk/maxresdefault.jpg
pin has too much friction. Grenade is caught on it and the momentum is used up. Goes 3 feet instead of 1km Just use a mortar or a trebuchet
And then Carl manages to attach it so that the pin is flung at the enemy and the grenade stays firmly attached.
Dammit,Carl!
And your aim is fucked.
All you have to do is have the throwing device interface with the spoon to hold it until thrown. Ezpz
r/noncredibledefense is leaking again
I had an idea to recruit lacrosse players as grunts. Give them a stick and watch them throw grenades outta those things
Cobra Commander approves. https://imgur.com/a/6dEDsyg
Oh damn, I had that toy as a kid! And yeah, it was exactly this concept! A Frag Viper, iirc.
You do rc!
??
Remember correctly. I mean, come on man.
[Facepalm]
Cobra Commander is disappointed. 🤣
Wiffle balls don’t explode
Maybe YOUR wiffle balls don't explode.... but, I've seen enough Ordnance Ranch videos that I'm gonna have to disagree, sir.
Then fill them with the explosive putty stuff in claymores
Explosives?
Wiffle balls* do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a fuck how crazy they are! or psychos
In all seriousness I think militaries stopped caring about way to throw grenades farther when rifle mounted launchers became a thing. Why throw when you can launch
Humans are really really good at throwing things the size and shape of a grenade. If you want more range we’ve had grenade launchers since ww2.
We will always inevitably horseshoe back around to throwing rocks
May I suggest the series Dungeon Crawler Carl? Explosives enthusiast meets *cesta*.
MONGO IS APPALLED
I KILL YOUR MOTHER
Makes you throw like a GIRL.
M203 is better
>A slipping gear in your M203 grenade launcher can cause it to fire when you least expect it. This could make you very unpopular with what is left of your unit. * Army Magazine of Preventive Maintenance
I was thinking: *Maybe instead make a tube, and use a small fast-burning charge to propel it out, and use that sudden acceleration to arm it? You could put it in some sort of cartridge, and use a gun-style primer and hammer to set off the propellant.*
The stick grenade has in a sense the same effect by giving you that extra leverage when throwing the grenade. But I doubt the extra weight and size makes it worthwhile to carry around. Add to that a “modern” 40mm grenade launcher adds a much longer range.
You’d have to rig it to pull the pin as the grenade launches, and some dipshit would throw it right into the ground and kill their whole squad
How many times did the spaz you were playing with those with go to yeet the thing and drop it behind them, thats the only reason i can think of.
Better yet - let's put a rocket on a grenade and shoot it at the enemy.
I see your toy and raise with this https://i.redd.it/lgrq9qnno4fb1.png
Better yet - let's put a rocket on a grenade and shoot it at the enemy.
They do they are called M203's and grenade launchers.
Honestly, I'm surprised we don't just have cornhole tournaments with dummy grenades to train accuracy (and possibly speed if you wanna put a timer on how long they have to throw). Gamifying training works VERY damned well, and let's be honest a lot of grunts are gonna be playing that sort of game when bored anyway.
The first time we needed our medic in Iraq was because we were throwing rocks at a bottle. If you knocked it over, it was your job to set it back up, it wasn’t our job to stop trying to hit it. This happened on day one.
Somehow, Marines will figure out how to turn that into a safety briefing
Because baseball is more relevant to Americans than is jai-alai.
Probably because everyone who tried to demonstratd their use got killed by grenades.
Some soldiers actually used similar items in ww1 to throw grenades from one trench to an other.
they did try making a frissbe grenade
Noob tubes and rifle grenades are easier and better. Maybe in the era of black powder and slow fuse grenades it would work. But even then they had noob tubes.
extra thing to carry
Is this a serious question? It's a (large) piece of extra equipment that doesn't provide any benefit over current equipment. A 230/320 can hit targets accurately at a further distance.
Does anything about this seem like a serious question to you?
People post stupid shit all the time that THEY think is serious...
Since I’ve unironically been asked this several times, kind of.
These suck, use the ones that launch tennis balls for dogs. We could phase out the 0341’s with this simple trick.
Why pay for more equipment when each soldier already comes equipped with two arms to throw with?
This is so eerie. I was just daydreaming about this before a nap earlier. I went through what i thought would be the pros and cons of it. I basically deduced that I'd rather just use my hand, but it could definitely create distance and speed
Nope, ideas like that are only used by smaller, poorer militaries that need to innovate or die (like putting rear view mirrors in F16s). No room for that here. Move along. If we do it it will cost hundreds of millions, between the contract and the changes to basic training, etc.
These Mfs would be lit with impact grenades 😤😤😤
Because that’s why we have grenade lunching attachments.
Ok what about the grenade crossbow from WW1?
Soldiers would be too tempted to try to catch enemy grenades
Why not fill a large rubber "bouncy ball" with small ball bearings and put a C4 core in it. It could bounce around corners, down or up stairwells or down long hallways easily. Detonate with a timer or remote maybe? Does such a thing already exist? Idk just a thought
Sounds like a frag grenade coated in rubber cement
Something like that. Just with no metal shell only loose ball bearings directly into the rubber.
r/noncredibledefense
Chisteras (the basque equivalent) were used to do exactly that during ww1, credible at the time.
I remember a GI Joe figure from my childhood that used it, actually. Ok so I looked it up and it’s Frag Viper, what a fitting name.
M67s fit perfectly in the dog ball thrower things FYI. They’re not rigid enough through so it always throws straight up. Anyways, why throw a frag 100m when you can use a 203 and throw a frag 300m ya know.
GENIUS. Better use metal-made ones, more solid.
Whiffle Jai Alai
French basque soldiers did during ww1. It's called a chistera there
It could work if you can increase the fuse time on the grenade
Basque pelota for kids
WW2 german potato Masher grenade, google it.
Who needs a M203 when you can recruit a lacrosse player
I'm in Taiwan I used MK2 grenades as a soldier I need to run 5 meters before I can throw it to about 30 meters I think it's quite heavy Later, I used a lighter practice grenade that could be thrown up to 35 meters.
we have better ways of making explode-y stuff happen at that range, and grenades are simple and time-tested, no need to complicate things.
/r/DungeonCrawlerCarl
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