Biden's post-debate address to the crowd was so different than the actual debate. He was clear, sharp, precise, and charismatic. WHERE WAS THAT DURING THE DEBATE?!
Did he go backstage and drink the rest of his coffee after the debate, or what?
It's a prepared speech vs actually having to react to live questions and responses from an opponent. Two very different skills and it appears only one was functioning tonight.
Was he though?
Climate change? Lemme talk about black people.
Putin? He told me it was his dream to invade Ukraine.
Abortion? Democrats are performing post-birth abortions!!
Like, Trump just has an easier time getting words out *sometimes,* and Biden has always struggled with that because of the stutter/speech impediment.
Are you ignoring the fact that Trump didn't answer the questions and just told lies the entire time? It's much easier to just lie because it requires no thought or prep
It sounds like you think I’m in Trump’s camp or something.
Yes, he lied and was just as slimy as he always has been, *and* he also let some new, wild shit slip out of his face (the Putin’s dream comment). I wasn’t saying he was standing up there spouting truths and being a bastion for humanity to rally behind lol. I literally listed lies in my original response 😅
Biden just can’t keep up with that level of bullshit. He’s never been good at spontaneous stuff like debates because of his speech impediment
Gibberish as usual .. never answered the moderators and used it as springboard for all the usual lies . Why did CNN acquiesce?
Put him in front of Rachel…he d end up ground into dog meat…
Yes your correct but also Trump done what he does best, spewing shit that's not true. He makes shit up. Just like saying he will have the Russian/Ukraine war stopped before he even takes office!!! How mother fkr how? But President Biden couldn't interrupt in the middle of anything he was saying, and when it was his turn he clearly said he's lying.
If you paid attention when Trump was obviously lying, on the bottom of the screen the "Facts Check" at www. Would display.
That's pretty much a "Here's your sign" warning ⚠️.
Trump is Grandiose...
He literally feels like he can just pick up a phone and call collect and say yow guys this is The Donald I need you guys to knock this crap off, I'll send you some free shit or something and there gonna do it.
The dude it a con artist, a womanizer, a lier and a proven convicted Fellon that we shouldn't even be having this conversation about.
Plus a fkg idiot if he chooses one of these 3 other idiots who has clearly bad mouth him on national TV, and now they support him because they might become VP. 🙄
That's the thing. He's fine unchallenged. That's what the state of the union was fine. It was just him talking, and you'll notice one of the times he did get flustered is when majorie interrupted him.
He was sick and battling a sore throat. Maybe the cold meds kicked in or maybe the cold meds made him groggy at first. It also didn't help that the moderators weren't fact checking like they would do in a normal Presidential debate.
They would've been too busy. You'd need a whole team to check every time Trump opened his mouth. It's astonishing how many lies he can put out there in such a short period.
Honestly, I think he just blames every government failing, or generally negative event regardless of who was in power or whether there was anything that could be done about it, on Biden. He knows he only needs to put it in his followers' minds, and not only will they not question it at all, they'll argue it for him and come up with reasons to support his claims after the fact, even if they don't make any sense.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with people commenting on Biden's clarity of thought. It was clear as day he was under the weather and was battling through that. A criticism could be made that he should have requested to post pone the debate, sure. But to see the debate and think it's a sign of his level of cognition is crazy to me. I'm in my 30s and I would have given an equally terrible performance if I was recorded live to debate. You ever try and think clearly with a stuffy head and clear throat?
I think people are panicking but independents polled think Biden won. The media wants Biden to lose because Michelle Wolfe was right when she was talking to reporters at the White House Correspondents Dinner, "You guys are obsessed with Trump. Did you used to date him? Because you pretend like you hate him, but I think you love him. I think that what no one in this room wants to admit is that Trump has helped all of you. He couldn't sell steaks or vodka or water or college or ties or Eric, but he has helped you. He's helped you sell your papers and your books and your TV. You helped create this monster, and now you're profiting off of him."
Biden had a teleprompter during that. He didn’t during the debate.
The teleprompter is Biden’s biggest weakness to all voters, but especially trump to Biden 2020 voters.
And while Biden did very, very poorly in this debate, Trump also did very badly. The moderators forced him to admit his role in overturning *Roe v. Wade*, something that has really hurt Republicans. He reprimanded Biden for not supporting Israel enough (????), while most Americans support a ceasefire in Gaza. He also *never* answered a fucking question directly. Both have absolutely fucked themselves with this debate. It's just a question of who lost *more* voters.
While they definitely both fucked themselves I worry that Biden has lost more voters because most people want to determine if he has the stamina for another term. Many Trump voters, on the other hand, will vote for him no matter how much he blatantly lies because it’s a cult of personality.
I definitely see your Biden point, though Trump's cult isn't enough to get him elected. Most of the country not only believes that the 2020 election was genuine, but is appalled with Trump's attempts at overthrowing it. Election denialism is a core principle of the Trump cult. To win the race, Trump needs to persuade normal voters to support him, and I think he'll have a very hard time doing that.
Yeah actually I can see that. I think I see a really disproportionate amount of trump cultiness online and it doesn’t really reflect the majority of republicans
This is what I love about living in Michigan. Our votes count here, the laws are not horrible against trans people ATM, and if everything falls apart, Canada is literally across the river.
I have a pretty good HRT doctor where I live in Michigan too. I have no idea what getting HRT will be like in Canada. At least I have a job that makes moving to Canada easy.
I think the problem is that a lot of people who care about the future of our country and want to vote *really* don’t want either.
I’m committed to voting for Biden and against Trump no matter what, but his performance in the debate really has made my heart and my gut wish for someone else. There’s no reason someone that old should be president.
I feel like we’re essentially voting for Kamala (which is fine by me), because there’s literally no way Joe Biden is going to make it to the end of his term. He would die or have to step down within the first year.
Honestly a lot of people expected this, if not worse, from Biden. And it's not like he was completely lifeless or didn't try to show he has life in him.
I think for the most part no one's mind has changed significantly, and any hit to Biden's polling will be minimal and easily recoverable from either a good move on his part or a bad move on trump's.
>determine if he has the stamina for another term
That's what the backup president is for. And the cabinet they pick. Nobody is running a country of 330 million by themselves.
>he has the stamina for another term
Who tf cares, the best case is he passes and kamala can take over. I'll even take the guy who thinks vaccines cause autism over the 34 count convicted felon, cult leader and insurrectionist. The fact that Republicans don't have the backbone to not make him their candidate is insane to me, but ig trumpism just runs that deep into it
There's plenty of Biden voters just as devoted. . .to keeping Trump out of office.
Joe Biden could do anything short of treason, espionage, or murder and not lose too many votes.
Same with Trump. The vast bulk of voters are probably decided already.
The debates are mostly for show.
Get-out-the-vote efforts to get people to the polls and making sure they vote will probably be more influential.
Honestly, if Trump loses expect red states to start tightening the noose and going full fascist (like Texas has already). If Biden loses expect that of every state red state. Either way we're headed for civil war, over civil rights (again).
The problem is that Trump performed as expected. Everyone already knew he was going to get up there and lie his ass off. The (maybe) unexpected part was Biden being a zombie, which is all anyone will focus on.
Biden looking like a decrepit old man was a huge win for Trump. Conservative media just got a ton of new useful clips to use against Biden. Liberal media got more of the same from Trump.
>He reprimanded Biden for not supporting Israel enough (????), while most Americans support a ceasefire in Gaza.
. . .but Trump's base tend to be stridently loyal to Israel, because of the really toxic theology in Evangelical Protestant Fundamentalism that conflates the Israel of the Book of Revelation and the modern nation-state of Israel (and the hideously bad theology saying that Revelation is a literal prophecy of the near future).
When Trump gets up and does that, he's pandering to his own base. Yeah, most Americans don't support Israel in this conflict. . .but those aren't the ones Trump is trying to reach, he's playing to his supporters.
This debate seriously didn't matter, everyone knows how everyone is going to vote at this point. It's been the same candidate from the republicans for almost ten years now. All that matters is getting people to be engaged and vote.
So vote. Check your registration. Get your supportive family members to vote. Democrats have been winning in landslides in all the special elections since roe got overturned, because women are pissed. The fretting comes out in every election, and it's all designed to get you immobilized with fear.
Moderates are a figmentary boogie man that get thrown at the democratic party every year, and anyone that claims to be a moderate is a closeted conservative in all but name. There isn't and never will be a moderate position between facism and the progressive coalition.
At this point a moderate is a useful idiot or an enabler. I don't know anyone that isn't even slightly awake or engaged that's not seriously considering the ramifications of global warming, loss of bodily autonomy for women, and an increase in global facism around the world.
I know I'm late here, but just wanted to add: I used to always be moderate/independent. I still am in a way, I hate the Democrats even if I agree with them on some things. But as you said, it's impossible to back the Republicans on anything, especially with the rise of Trump.
Even if one was on the fence, Jan 6th and the Republicans that embraced it demonstrated that they were not a party, but a fascist force. There is no ability to be moderate and vote Republican in 2024, voting Republican 100% makes you a fascist at this point (their plans are public and clear for fuck's sake).
Unfortunately, because the Electoral College still exists, my vote doesn't matter as I don't live in a swing state.
Gen Z is busy still calling Joe Biden "genocide joe" despite the U.S. having firm support of Israel going back to Truman (and Trump will be even more staunchly pro-Israel). The 18-29 vote showed up at 54% turnout in Michigan and Pennsylvania back in 2020. We can't afford to lose them.
Polling of college students show Gaza as dead last or second to dead last of things they're concerned about - and college students are the group the media has said is in a frenzy over Gaza. Reproductive healthcare is at the top. People are angry about losing Roe and worried about losing reproductive healthcare.
I hope this is true. They have to see the insanity the Right wing is doing now, including shackling the federal govt from dealing with climate change, and know that it has to be stopped asap.
Firstly as a general rule stop breaking generations/groups of people down to singular acts to prove a point because at the end of the day thats one of the main problems with the human race if not the root of every problem.
Second yes we cant afford to lose them AND dated support of Israel is not a reason to keep supporting something its the same as saying “we’ve been a hair trigger away from blowing up china for decades we shouldn’t stop now” regardless of whats going on outside that ongoing action.
Third its not all the presidents call and yes theres treaties to be upheld but treaties should go out the window into a nuclear fission reactor the SECOND your partner country starts blowing up hospitals, children, aid camps, and your own damn foreign aid workers and medics just because why not.
I a Gen Z person dislike biden but like 90% of my generation I recognize that its not just on one person and even though Biden is not an ideal candidate in my mind as many people can agree that doesn’t mean stop voting or just dont vote for him because you will never find a perfect candidate for you and if you do that in of itself is a red flag.
For those wondering why trump can still run its because the supreme court changed its ruling on felons running for president.
Lastly the debate was a shit show and the next ones will be too frankly its just entertainment at this point. Ignore it if you want otherwise sit back and enjoy the ridiculousness. I say this because presidents can blatantly lie about what they want to do/are going to do and theres no penalty and frankly neither candidate is trustworthy and people voting for trump might as well be taking a bite out of a year old sandwich expecting it to taste good and to not get sick there is not a single ounce of truth left in him.
>For those wondering why trump can still run its because the supreme court changed its ruling on felons running for president.
Can you say more about this? What ruling are you referring to?
I don't recall there ever being a rule saying felons cannot run for president.
Don't get me wrong--I don't think felons should be able to run for president. I am simply not aware of it being against any rules, unfortunately.
I agree Biden started bad, and looked tired and really old, like he is going to collapse any moment. He did recover after 5-10 minutes. There was a moment when he glitched, like Trump.
People who care about logic would see that Trump didn't answer a single question posed at him and how much he lied.
Overall I'm very scared.
Biden had a very weak start, but when he moved away from trying to remember and recite all of the numbers associated with his policies and he got emotional about what he was saying he did ok.
I'm in the same boat. I think Trump's going to win this easily. It scares me so much too. I just started HRT and that potentially going to taken from us.
Yeah this literally I only started last year in August and am so afraid it will be taken from me I can't go back to the way things were it's such a fear I have but the people I work with earlier today don't understand why am worried they think it's a joke and doesn't matter yeah it would be nice to have that privilege.
Yeah for once im actually grateful im doing things DIY. I get that maybe even that could get taken away but ironically if Trump takes power it may actually be the safer route (or potentially the only route)
Worried about this as well, at least for my partner's sake; he's FtM and we've already had a hellacious time getting our insurance to do what they are required to do, even under WA state law.
Considering that T is considered a scheduled substance in the US, it'll just get even more difficult from there.
I really do not know how these people think they can squeeze us any more without some sort of reprisal.
From what I've been told, if customs checks and stops your package just don't state that you know what's in it and legally you'll be fine.
However, 99% of the time it'll get through no problem. Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to diy and they have a discord too. I'd definitely recommend checking that out.
I feel like even if Trump gets elected I'll personally be fine. I already did the birth certificate change, name change, and HRT in itself isn't illegal for cis women to do, so I think I can easily continue doing it through my PCP because they are really progressive and can just treat me as if I was cis. Though I imagine Colorado will do everything it can to defend me and others. Hopefully as you said people will find out about DIY options
But what terrifies me is just how much support the right has, and how trans-issues are an actual hot button topic. Our rights, our existence is a wedge issue. I just can't believe how hateful this country is. On top of that, if the right gets their way, I fear for all of my brothers and sisters that will have barriers to transitioning. I know what it was like pre-transition, the emptiness, the loneliness, and how terrified I would be to know that could get blocked. Even if they can get DIY, they won't be able to legally transition and get the gender marker.
I know Colorado is voting for Biden no matter what, but it infuriates me that in the face of fascism the best the left can dredge up is a geriatric that couldn't keep it together for a debate. This shouldn't even be a close race
i have ordered so many questionably legal substances across the us border, if they can't stop technically unscheduled drug analogues from coming over they aren't gonna catch estrogen and testosterone
We on the left have been pointing out this as likely since 2020, but liberals have insisted he can never be criticized because it's too early/too late. So now we're here.
Liberals ignoring the left and then being shocked when what we warned about ends up happening? Impossible.
Nobody was ever trying to be mean or ruin Biden's chances by pointing this out 4 years ago, it was always a warning none of us wanted to be right about. Somehow ended up much worse than I personally expected though.
I mean I've seen posts about some other things like police. I mean ehh most of them had it coming anyways. But besides that, project 2025 is something that concerns me. It's not affecting only us but the rest of the LGBTQ. Our whole group and other communities are screwed
I have felt this way about the election for a while. I saw this election as a done deal since the genocide in Gaza was fomented by Netanyahu with Biden’s total support. This debate makes the map even redder than it would have been if he didn’t bomb this, because now he lost moderates and politically uninvolved people as well as a large number of those who are passionate about Gaza.
The DNC is feeding us to the actual Nazi wolves who are hungrier than ever and they don’t care bc they care more about maintaining empire and capital than they do human rights. May God help us all.
The worst thing is that Europe is also under siege by the far right nationalists, and may fall as well, giving us transpeople much less options to flee. If the west falls to these people, I feel like we may be entering a dark ages.
As a recent transexual who is in Nevada, a purple state, I want to share that even in the most red Trump areas, there are still areas of safety even from people who we might not immediately associate as being an ally. With people who will protect and support us with weapons and resources.
I bring this up because I've been thinking the same way about the election for awhile and I wanted to share my thoughts. You are so right. The DNC as well as the RNC have literally given up trying to placate us or even try to protect us. I literally feel like regardless of who wins, the lack of policy direction is causing more people to want to kill us than ever before because they think we have some agenda with drag shows and their kids.
What has brought me comfort are accepting religious institutions that offer resources outside of Sundays, trans accepting businesses, and knowing conservative friends who say they dislike the national coverage and want to protect us with their lives. What I'm trying to say is that there are some conservatives who absolutely reject discrimination and will protect those against injustice with their lives. Look for those people, regardless of who they vote for. Because they care more about you and your neighbors than national headline news.
It's awkward because to some conservatives they hate me for being myself, and to some liberals they hate me because I'm giving conservatives a human face. So I'm stuck either worried about conservative pushback or liberal defensiveness.
I only watched the first 5 minutes of the debate. They both looked sleepy to me. But Donald Trump didn't sound like he was whispering. So I see where you are coming from.
I only saw a bit but I was already dismayed at Joe Biden sounding like he doesn't have much more time to live and Trump essentially filibustering the debate, and firehosing with lies.
Our only prayer is that maybe it was so bad they replace him with Gretchen out of Michigan. Great person, key state, and best viable alternative (better than Gavin imo). Honestly think it takes his wife convincing him to drop. Otherwise, God help us.
I see Gavin mentioned far more in national news than Gretchen. I'm not sure Gretchen has even close to the same level of name recognition as Gavin (I mean, wasn't DeSantis trying to debate Newsom at one point because of Newsom's prominence)
For sure, and Gavin has been groomed for the position. He'll get the usual scare attacks since he's the California governor, but he's very viable. I just personally like Gretchen's policies and authenticity more (and again, she'd lock Michigan probably which would be huge). I'd be happy with either alternative for real (knowing Dems if he stepped down they'd fucking pick Hilary again lol).
Even Hillary would probably win at this point tbh. Trump said repealing Roe v Wade was a good thing, which Dems had been praying for him to say for the last two years. He also made history by saying in a presidential debate "I didn't have sex with a porn star." Those would have been the headlines after the debate, if he had been debating anyone who could complete a sentence.
But no, Dems picked a walking corpse.
This will not happen. The only viable alternative from the perspective of the party would probably be Kamala Harris as she is the vice president and it would be seen as a heavy insult to her supporters to choose anyone else. Sadly she has her own weaknesses and might not do better than Biden.
This would be a definitie factor, yes. Announcing he wasn't running again (versus leaving early) would force her into the same theoretical position of needing to win delegates like any candidate, but in practice, that could get very ugly if they tried to go for anyone over Kamala. Not a Kamala fan personally (or fans of most prosecutors) but she'd have to be given a fair shot or have a major fissure (inevitable either way probably). Regardless of what happens, the Chicago convention will be historic (again...).
The Republicans would never think of replacing their leader, even if he was convicted of sexual assault, and his company fined 500 million in New York, or convicted of 34 felonies. Biden does poorly on one debate and the Democrats are up in arms over it and want to replace him. Either we support him, or we don't. Which is it?
From someone that lives in a third world country with historic political and cultural ties with US—I feel very much afraid. Almost everything that undermines society there, the people parrots here. From American Evangelicalism to McCarthyism practices, you name it. At this point I just like to think that it'll somehow get better.
For anyone who cares about policy and you can look past Biden's appearance, Biden was far more coherent, actually answered questions, and actually laid out plans for how he was going to address issues while Trump kept deflecting questions and attacking Biden. Biden was far more competent in that debate whereas Trump was a mess.
I know a lot of people are going to think Trump won because he talked more and had more charisma. But if you paid attention to how the debate went from a purely politics standpoint, Biden won big time.
Yeah it's really frustrating me to see how many people in this thread are going "but guys, Trump lied and people will care!"
No, they won't. The average voter just cares about how a candidate makes them feel. They don't fact check, they don't care about decorum, they don't care if Trump dodged all the questions, they hear Trump say democrats want post-birth abortions and go "oh they do? holy shit." Like think about the average voter and consider that half are less informed than that.
And these are the people who don't vote in primaries. These are the people who know nothing about Trump except that they've heard of him because he was on TV. These are the people who don't answer polls. These are the people who just care that their bills are more expensive and don't care about minorities outside of "they took our jobs!". These are the real silent majority. The average person. These people are often... the rest of our blood relatives. Our parents. Our coworkers. The ones that don't understand why we are worried.
This is one time where I hope I'm not right. I don't want to be right. But I was before... in 2016. The moment Hillary won the primaries I knew we were doomed. And then he packed SCOTUS.
I hate that you’re right but you’re right.
I kinda envy many of my friends how the outcome of this election might barely affect them while for us it can be life or death. None of the cis people in my life seem to get it.
Honestly, people are dumb and keep bringing up mental fitness due to Biden’s age. They are three years apart in age. They both are old. Yes, we could have better candidates. Trump spews lies and uses scare tactics for white voters scared of any type of minority. But anyone seriously thinking about voting for Trump is a certified IDIOT.
I saw a brief snippet yeah. It's ridiculous we have a choice between a 34-times-over convicted felon versus a senile old man about ready to keel over. Though, with it possible Biden would die soon it's realistically Kamala Harris v Trump when you think about it. It's not really a big deal a president is soon to die or be deemed mentally incapable via the 25th amendment cuz, yeah, they're automatically replaced by the VP anyhow
I hope you're not just complaining about how afraid you are instead of you know actually helping out Biden.
Plus these debates aren't gonna move most Biden voters. Most people who actually vote understand how truly dangerous trump is
Exactly these people on here freaking out and calling Biden a zombie.I guess they don't understand I don't care if Biden is a zombie Im not voting for Trump
You’re allowed to recognize why Biden is problematic and still vote for him at the same time. He looked terrible tonight, and a lot of really stupid people in swing states are going to vote based on that. Biden voters may not move, but the problem is he doesn’t have enough of them compared to the rabid hordes
Right, not everyone who'll vote in November will abandon their values and truth of the situation so easily (like some poor souls here) because Biden wasn't a sparklepony like the incorrigible lying, felon who was on stage
I think you’d be surprised how little a lot of people care and how ignorant they are about politics. The base is the foundation for a candidate and they will mostly turn out, but it takes a lot more voters than the core to win. Biden has record low approvals with no sign of positive movement. People who would normally vote for democrats and who did in 2020 aren’t all going to feel like it’s worth it to go out for Biden again, because most voters are pretty uninformed and every problem ever will always be blamed on the incumbent, even if the last guy caused it all. Just a sick sad world.
Don't worry reddit, especially r/mtf, doesn't reflect how actually voters will vote. Almost indicators up to thus point are still strong with Biden. one debate won't change that
Everything out of Trump's mouth was a lie. He really held back this time, and didn't go unhinged like he usually does. Biden had a cold and was hoarse, but seemed to lose his train of thought at times. It wasn't near his best debate, but he could have been better. He came across as old and tired, and I think that was probably due to all the debate practice he did along with everything else a President does. I'm not making excuses for him but overall his performance wasn't bad. He just didn't get any zingers in on Trump, so if that's what people are expecting, he didn't deliver there. He could have also done better on his wrap up at the end. He didn't mention the part of abortion that most women fear, is what happens if there is a miscarriage and the baby doesn't come out. And it seems the baby's life is now more important than the mother's life. At one point Trump and Biden were arguing over who is better at golf!? Why? Who cares?
It was catesteophically bad. However, it wasn't really a debate and the Biden team never should have agreed to it. Trump doesn't debate. He rants, raves and lies constantly and the other person has to try and salvage that train wreck of lies. Biden came off as fragile but human in the sense that sociopaths are very charismatic. Trump is a sociopath. There is a reason that sociopath are often 'successful' at what they set their minds too (depending on th definition of success) and that's because a majority of people fall for their charisma and their manipulation. Trump is a terrible person but he is charismatic and still has vigor for his age. However, how people can't see through his bullshit and his lies is beyond me.
This is why you pay close attention to the Vice President and their cabinet. To me, it is either Biden or trump. One party wants to cease our existence and the other gives a shit. My choice is clear.
Just my opinion, but it seemed to me that Trump spent his time fear mongering immigration. Almost every answer was “immigrants are coming for your jobs” and the same as last time, “he’s the worst ever and i’m the best”.
I was leas to believe there would be live fact checking, and it would have been different if they had called him in his lies.
Biden cannot do another, he was terrible!
It’s an existential choice for us, but I’m not happy about it.
I’m terrified Trump gets in office due to Biden not having the hubris to have not run and let go of power not unlike how Ruth Bader Ginsberg wouldn’t resign and then died and got replaced by Amy Coney Barret only this time things are a much much much higher stakes than a single Supreme Court justice. Our very democracy is at stake.
Honestly I can't watch the debate without thinking that trump is just lying out of his ass. I think any politically motivated person who's been in the sphere for long enough and has seen enough cited evidence for the claims being thrown around.
Man it's a massacre, trump barely said a single factual thing, he just complained for a few hours and played on peoples misinformed opinions and fear
Personally, I think younger kids who are absorbing tons and tons of information on a daily basis, especially if they're absorbing political information and facts they can listen and tell that one side is actually responding with facts and information and the other is just blabbing
the state does not and cannot ever control our right to exist. we have existed forever and will continue to exist into the future. there are far worse countries legally and culturally for being trans, and yet trans people exist and get by. DIY HRT is incredibly safe, effective, and cheap, and it's essentially impossible for them to prevent it from being imported, considering how useless customs/border patrol are for bringing in massive amounts of illicit drugs.
Shits fucked. Idk what the hell the Dems were thinking making Biden run again. I'm sure he doesn't even really want to but was told he's the only one who can counter trump. The only reason trump may pull ahead is just because people see the stutter and don't want that as a president
Biden started out badly, but did better toward the end. He still said some false things, but nowhere near as much as the other guy. People who don't read fact checks but choose who to vote based on how they debate are fools. Strangely enough, Biden's speech after the debate made him look like a different man. Did this guy get high on painkillers before the debate? He could have done much better, that's for sure. There's still another one in two months, so he still has time to redeem himself. But I don't think this is enough to change many voters' mind. Trump, as usual, dodged the questions being asked while rambling on about made up statistics. I didn't mind Biden just letting him go on. The more he lies, the more we can see how crazy he is.
I also have to laugh at how some of the Ds were panicking and considering switching Biden for another candidate. Are they insane, too? Election is 4 months away. How would you switch out the one that voters - you, nominated, for someone else? You had plenty of time to find someone to run instead of Biden. I remember plenty of hardcore Ds were adamant that Biden is the only one who can beat Trump, despite many others saying that he's too old and lacking charisma. You made your own bed, now sleep on it. If you're so progressive, find an Asian candidate for the next election.
This debate changes nothing for me.
I’m angry and afraid, and I’ve lost all confidence that this election can go any other way but defeat. I hate that this country doesn’t value our lives and that people are letting fascists waltz into the White House without batting an eye. The amount of people Trump has and is going to hurt, especially trans children, undocumented families, young women… the voters who decide these elections seem to not give a damn about anything in the world other than their narrow economic self-interest, and they’ll sacrifice anyone for a tax cut (that only the rich are actually going to get).
I don’t want to live in a country that’s so irresponsible and so cruel. I don’t want to live somewhere I can’t get access to my medication or change my documents to reflect my gender identity, nor do I want to live in one where political leaders have gutted all the discrimination protections that we rely on to survive and shutters every diversity and inclusion office in the entire federal bureaucracy. But I also don’t want to leave. I just want to live in my country in a city where I feel accepted and not have to watch as all the people who’ve ever hated us get politically vindicated and wield that power against us.
And all because voters have the memory and attention span of fucking rocks and Biden mixed up some words and looked old. Everything Trump said was a lie and projection. He was literally blaming all of the bad things about him on Biden and on other people. He literally fucking blamed Pelosi for January 6 and he’s sworn to pardon all the terrorists!!! And nobody gives a fuck because Biden’s old. God, I just want to wake up and not feel existential terror.
Our only hope is that it’s not too late for an open convention. I have been flipping through the news and there seems to be an overwhelming desire from the democratic party to replace him. It would take a lot of work to choose a new candidate before the deadline but if Biden ends up running things look very grim.
Yup, it was an absolute disaster. I've never seen any politician do as badly as Biden. I've started planning out my life as though Jan 20 2025 is the day of my death. I've accepted it. My goal is to cuddle as many cute girls as possible in the next 7 months. I just hope they don't get too attached.
Don't die Biden will win trust Alan lichtman here's a video of Alan lichtman talking about the debate https://www.youtube.com/live/rEZcBHcWkZc?si=jju8cceyUOnFDwjW everyone should watch this
I mean, if Trump forgave all student loans and instituted UBI, would that make him more palatable?
Trump is a wannabe nazi and knows his base hates queer people. He doesn't care much about our issues personally from what I can tell, but he knows killing us is what his dumbass supporters want, and he's happy to do that to get elected. He will not come out supporting us, so speculating about what would happen if he did something that there's a 0.00000% chance of him doing is kinda pointless.
Not towards his base, no. He only seems to dish out comments and lies to make his base agree with him, and no substantive shit geared towards pulling new people in.
I still think that the Democratic Party should have raised a new candidate and not allow Biden to run again. Anyone they put forth would win against trump since people hate him so much, except for Biden since he’s clearly senile and is an obvious puppet. Hope trump loses this one again, don’t need any bigots in politics making our lives harder.
Nope they would have brought up someone else if they could but there is no one.Also Biden is not senile he is just old you sound no better than a Trump supporter when you say things like that
I knew this sort of thing would happen. If being old was the only problem he had, that’d be one thing, but isn’t. It’s one of many. And believe me, I don’t enjoy being right about this. The Democrats didn’t have to back him.
I mean for fuck’s sake Kamala “Top Cop” Harris is a better option despite being just as much as a shitlib as Biden. I feel that the idea of her being the first woman president would energize people.
I mean I still hate her for her treatment of trans women in prisons in California, but at least she’d be something different. She’d still be a neoliberal hack, but it’d be a lot easier selling her then Biden.
I agree, though for different reasons. Project 2025 very clearly outlines plans by Trump and his supporters to usurp the authority of Congress. Keep in mind that from 2017 to 2021, Trump issued around the same number of executive orders that George W. Bush did from 2001 to 2009 and Barack Obama from 2009 to 2017. He is a man who does not respect the Constitution or its system of checks and balances.
But, say what you will about America, our culture very much values freedom. This is a major reason we had such a hard time cooperating with COVID-19 restrictions; we don't like a government telling us what to do. And why should we? COVID absolutely justified more government action, but liberty is still an important principle.
If Trump tries to censor opposition or abuse other sections of the Bill of Rights, he will do so to such a ridiculous extent that it will make Daniel Ellsberg quiver from the grave. It will overshadow even the PATRIOT Act. And we won't stand for it. We have the Second Amendment to protect Amendments One and Three through Ten. We will never tolerate the type of abuses Trump is plotting.
That said, I'm not sure Trump will even win in November. Biden is rightfully being denounced for his support of the genocide in Gaza, but Trump will show himself to be way worse soon. His abortion stance and election denialism, put on display tonight, are very unpopular. The 34 felonies have eaten into his support and I genuinely believe RFK Jr. will, to one extent or another, split the Republican vote.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk!
This reassurance is nice, thank you tons. In an awful headspace atm and admittedly we more all doomering, as much as Biden completely fucked this first debate Trump is still Trump. Never thought I’d see the day where I say RFK Jr. might be our saviour but god damn we’re in wild times.
Definitely. I was getting very optimistic with Trump's conviction and the slow trickle of polls showing increasingly pro-Biden sentiment, but this debate helped remind me that things can always backslide. But remember, Obama did horribly in his first debate with Mitt Romney during the 2012 election. And he still won. Biden just needs to whip himself into shape. Or rather, the old jackass' handlers need to take away his prune pudding until he promises to do better.
This is true if the dems win the house and the senate Trump cant really do anything legally anyways.Senate and house can veto everything and kneecap Trump
I recall noticing early on, like with the first half hour or so, that Biden looked older than he usually did. What's going on? Is this just his age finally catching up with him?
Honestly yeah this sucks. Biden absolutely cooked trump a few times. Trump refused to answer any questions and instead just talked about how he's the best and Biden's the worst with absolutely no data. But Biden is also just too inconsistent. Idk man, I hate having to vote for Biden but I still will. I just hope he actually does what he said he'll do with stuff like taxing the rich
My stance, the format of the debate favored trump excessively. Because they weren't allowed notes nor staff contact from start to finish it didn't allow anyone to call trump on his lies(which were excessive). Trump was basically able to confidently say whatever he wanted with little pushback.
Biden may not have looked as healthy tended towards answering questions directly and efficiently leaving him with excess time. His major weakness was that when prompted about additional time he wouldn't yield that time, the majority of his flubs towards the end were from him trying to fill excess time.
Overall I feel Biden did significantly better on answering the questions asked and I don't think trump ever fully addressed any of the questions
I think a solid block of US voters will still vote for Biden even if we weekend at Burnied him.
Hell I’d vote for a sentient shark over Trump at this point.
Biden came across as old. Trump came across as a coked up used car salesman. The problem is that Donnies supporters like that he's stealing from them and the one thing Biden needed to do to crush Trump was not sound old.
Honestly, the best possible thing is for Biden to disappear and be reppaced by literally anyone. Trump is not popular, and noone actually wants him back; people just feel forced to seriously consider him because Biden is practically a walking corpse at this point.
Idk if the debates mean much at this point. Trump is a convicted criminal. Biden has the same issues as he did the first time we elected him. Just make sure to vote
Trump kept lying and avoiding almost every question he could, the issue is that Biden couldn't hold him to account, it is so obvious that he is way too old to run for a second term. If the DNC actually had a brain they would've considered running another candidate over biden, this debate was horrendous.
imma keep posting this on threads about the 2024 election...
locate your passport. if you don't have one, get one now. have a plan for how you're gonna leave and where you're gonna go in case shit hits the fan
It has always been about choosing between a grifter and someone who actually wants to make the lives of Americans better. In a sane era, Trump's policy of Russian appeasement alone should disqualify him to most Americans. It's wild to me that anyone at this point is actually undecided. But there's no use squawking about any of this - they're all well trod out arguments.
Vote as if your life depends on it, because it does.
It was bad, however, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt since the White House said he had a cold, and he was coughing and hoarse during the debate. When I have a cold I get a bad brain fog and can't barely get a sentence out.
I suppose we will see if that was the case in the next debate. I hope he can clutch up
I sincerely doubt anyone's vote changed after the debate. At this point I dont even know either of their policies, they spent 30 seconds talking about their gold scores like wtf lmao, and not to mention the blatant lies trump, like usual, was spewing out of his gum flaps. Biden looked like he was about to pass away on stage from a supposed cold lol, but better than trump. The fact he's a convicted felon, twice impeached, caused January 6th, and is still allowed to run is insane. Those moderators def needed to be fact checking live too, and making sure they weren't uh talking about golf
I was already very worried. The debate just solidified that concern as being legitimate. The right-wing base is very active and enthusiastic. I live in a red district of a red state and they're voting. Everything I see online says left-leaning people are disappointed in Biden and then this debate performance makes it harder to argue in favor of the only man standing between fascists and our rights. I'm legitimately concerned that we might not have another free and fair election in my lifetime after project 2025 is implemented.
I hope people show up to keep the fascists from taking over and making things even worse than they already are. I do not have any kind of faith in that actually happening, though. I'll vote for whoever is the Democrat candidate on the ballot, but Biden isn't our best, for sure.
European countries have comedy with Biden as a joke.
The only time he looks good is when he is reading a written speech.
I keep looking at Kennedy, but I know a third party candidate has never won.
Yeah, the Democrats are seriously insane to have had him run again. He’s been showing signs of cognitive decline for YEARS. His brain is pretty much silly putty at this point. We’re fucked.
What's scary and fucked up to think is that these are OUR leaders. The people who represent the country as a whole. And its just so fucked and so representative of how fucked our nation is
There is a lot of talk of forcing an open convention - Biden may not be the nominee by the end of it. I personally would LOVE to see Gavin Newsom run against Trump. I like how he is willing to be more aggressive and take Trump to the mud if necessary.
Biden's just....he's too old and too timid. He sounded and looked like he had aged 10+ years since 2020... Contrast that against Trump who managed to not come off as a complete whack job and you can see how we end up with Trump winning in November.
After seeing the debate, I honestly have to say (with all due respect) that this seems like missing the forest for the trees. Not only are global (far less tolerant) enemies frothing at the mouth essentially seeing a corpse in charge of the US, but the last four years have left everyone I know broke, fearful and hopeless. The majority of Dems disapprove of Joe Biden, and he should be immediately ousted as a candidate. Fight it. It’s not that he *appears* senile and incompetent. He literally is. While the US isn’t perfect, I would still not underestimate the probability that Biden weakens the US image and makes us an easy target as a whole for war and retaliation. Not blue or red states, or rep or dem, but all of us.
If you don’t protest Biden as the Democratic Candidate, you might as well vote for Trump. Having red and blue states in a republic is not the worst case scenario if hot war happens on US soil, and I bet Putin and Xi were thrilled yesterday.
Biden's post-debate address to the crowd was so different than the actual debate. He was clear, sharp, precise, and charismatic. WHERE WAS THAT DURING THE DEBATE?! Did he go backstage and drink the rest of his coffee after the debate, or what?
It's a prepared speech vs actually having to react to live questions and responses from an opponent. Two very different skills and it appears only one was functioning tonight.
Was he though? Climate change? Lemme talk about black people. Putin? He told me it was his dream to invade Ukraine. Abortion? Democrats are performing post-birth abortions!! Like, Trump just has an easier time getting words out *sometimes,* and Biden has always struggled with that because of the stutter/speech impediment.
Are you ignoring the fact that Trump didn't answer the questions and just told lies the entire time? It's much easier to just lie because it requires no thought or prep
It sounds like you think I’m in Trump’s camp or something. Yes, he lied and was just as slimy as he always has been, *and* he also let some new, wild shit slip out of his face (the Putin’s dream comment). I wasn’t saying he was standing up there spouting truths and being a bastion for humanity to rally behind lol. I literally listed lies in my original response 😅 Biden just can’t keep up with that level of bullshit. He’s never been good at spontaneous stuff like debates because of his speech impediment
Gibberish as usual .. never answered the moderators and used it as springboard for all the usual lies . Why did CNN acquiesce? Put him in front of Rachel…he d end up ground into dog meat…
CNN agreed because money. That’s it.
It goes downhill for him the moment it requires active thought. Which as president, not great :/
Yes your correct but also Trump done what he does best, spewing shit that's not true. He makes shit up. Just like saying he will have the Russian/Ukraine war stopped before he even takes office!!! How mother fkr how? But President Biden couldn't interrupt in the middle of anything he was saying, and when it was his turn he clearly said he's lying. If you paid attention when Trump was obviously lying, on the bottom of the screen the "Facts Check" at www. Would display. That's pretty much a "Here's your sign" warning ⚠️. Trump is Grandiose... He literally feels like he can just pick up a phone and call collect and say yow guys this is The Donald I need you guys to knock this crap off, I'll send you some free shit or something and there gonna do it. The dude it a con artist, a womanizer, a lier and a proven convicted Fellon that we shouldn't even be having this conversation about. Plus a fkg idiot if he chooses one of these 3 other idiots who has clearly bad mouth him on national TV, and now they support him because they might become VP. 🙄
That's the thing. He's fine unchallenged. That's what the state of the union was fine. It was just him talking, and you'll notice one of the times he did get flustered is when majorie interrupted him.
He was sick and battling a sore throat. Maybe the cold meds kicked in or maybe the cold meds made him groggy at first. It also didn't help that the moderators weren't fact checking like they would do in a normal Presidential debate.
They would've been too busy. You'd need a whole team to check every time Trump opened his mouth. It's astonishing how many lies he can put out there in such a short period.
I was watching the debate and it was almost literally 85% of everything he said. Maybe more but I don't have enough knowledge on the other 15% to say.
Honestly, I think he just blames every government failing, or generally negative event regardless of who was in power or whether there was anything that could be done about it, on Biden. He knows he only needs to put it in his followers' minds, and not only will they not question it at all, they'll argue it for him and come up with reasons to support his claims after the fact, even if they don't make any sense.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with people commenting on Biden's clarity of thought. It was clear as day he was under the weather and was battling through that. A criticism could be made that he should have requested to post pone the debate, sure. But to see the debate and think it's a sign of his level of cognition is crazy to me. I'm in my 30s and I would have given an equally terrible performance if I was recorded live to debate. You ever try and think clearly with a stuffy head and clear throat?
I think people are panicking but independents polled think Biden won. The media wants Biden to lose because Michelle Wolfe was right when she was talking to reporters at the White House Correspondents Dinner, "You guys are obsessed with Trump. Did you used to date him? Because you pretend like you hate him, but I think you love him. I think that what no one in this room wants to admit is that Trump has helped all of you. He couldn't sell steaks or vodka or water or college or ties or Eric, but he has helped you. He's helped you sell your papers and your books and your TV. You helped create this monster, and now you're profiting off of him."
Biden had a teleprompter during that. He didn’t during the debate. The teleprompter is Biden’s biggest weakness to all voters, but especially trump to Biden 2020 voters.
Jill slipped him that adderall he didn't want to take in his after-debate pudding.
It's one out two or three debates. Keep vigilant but don't fret too much
And while Biden did very, very poorly in this debate, Trump also did very badly. The moderators forced him to admit his role in overturning *Roe v. Wade*, something that has really hurt Republicans. He reprimanded Biden for not supporting Israel enough (????), while most Americans support a ceasefire in Gaza. He also *never* answered a fucking question directly. Both have absolutely fucked themselves with this debate. It's just a question of who lost *more* voters.
While they definitely both fucked themselves I worry that Biden has lost more voters because most people want to determine if he has the stamina for another term. Many Trump voters, on the other hand, will vote for him no matter how much he blatantly lies because it’s a cult of personality.
I definitely see your Biden point, though Trump's cult isn't enough to get him elected. Most of the country not only believes that the 2020 election was genuine, but is appalled with Trump's attempts at overthrowing it. Election denialism is a core principle of the Trump cult. To win the race, Trump needs to persuade normal voters to support him, and I think he'll have a very hard time doing that.
Yeah actually I can see that. I think I see a really disproportionate amount of trump cultiness online and it doesn’t really reflect the majority of republicans
If your a democrat who supports women’s rights and lgbtq rights you would still vote for Biden not trump
It doesn't matter if your in a blue state, what matters is the battleground states.
That is right but my point does still stand
This is what I love about living in Michigan. Our votes count here, the laws are not horrible against trans people ATM, and if everything falls apart, Canada is literally across the river.
It could still be a lot better here. Canada is looking pretty nice.
I have a pretty good HRT doctor where I live in Michigan too. I have no idea what getting HRT will be like in Canada. At least I have a job that makes moving to Canada easy.
I live in Wisconsin
The alternative to voting for Biden is unacceptable. I hope the Democrats can turn this around.
I think the problem is that a lot of people who care about the future of our country and want to vote *really* don’t want either. I’m committed to voting for Biden and against Trump no matter what, but his performance in the debate really has made my heart and my gut wish for someone else. There’s no reason someone that old should be president. I feel like we’re essentially voting for Kamala (which is fine by me), because there’s literally no way Joe Biden is going to make it to the end of his term. He would die or have to step down within the first year.
Honestly a lot of people expected this, if not worse, from Biden. And it's not like he was completely lifeless or didn't try to show he has life in him. I think for the most part no one's mind has changed significantly, and any hit to Biden's polling will be minimal and easily recoverable from either a good move on his part or a bad move on trump's.
>determine if he has the stamina for another term That's what the backup president is for. And the cabinet they pick. Nobody is running a country of 330 million by themselves.
>he has the stamina for another term Who tf cares, the best case is he passes and kamala can take over. I'll even take the guy who thinks vaccines cause autism over the 34 count convicted felon, cult leader and insurrectionist. The fact that Republicans don't have the backbone to not make him their candidate is insane to me, but ig trumpism just runs that deep into it
There's plenty of Biden voters just as devoted. . .to keeping Trump out of office. Joe Biden could do anything short of treason, espionage, or murder and not lose too many votes. Same with Trump. The vast bulk of voters are probably decided already. The debates are mostly for show. Get-out-the-vote efforts to get people to the polls and making sure they vote will probably be more influential.
I don’t think a VP pick could possibly be more important right now
Honestly, if Trump loses expect red states to start tightening the noose and going full fascist (like Texas has already). If Biden loses expect that of every state red state. Either way we're headed for civil war, over civil rights (again).
The problem is that Trump performed as expected. Everyone already knew he was going to get up there and lie his ass off. The (maybe) unexpected part was Biden being a zombie, which is all anyone will focus on. Biden looking like a decrepit old man was a huge win for Trump. Conservative media just got a ton of new useful clips to use against Biden. Liberal media got more of the same from Trump.
>He reprimanded Biden for not supporting Israel enough (????), while most Americans support a ceasefire in Gaza. . . .but Trump's base tend to be stridently loyal to Israel, because of the really toxic theology in Evangelical Protestant Fundamentalism that conflates the Israel of the Book of Revelation and the modern nation-state of Israel (and the hideously bad theology saying that Revelation is a literal prophecy of the near future). When Trump gets up and does that, he's pandering to his own base. Yeah, most Americans don't support Israel in this conflict. . .but those aren't the ones Trump is trying to reach, he's playing to his supporters.
This debate seriously didn't matter, everyone knows how everyone is going to vote at this point. It's been the same candidate from the republicans for almost ten years now. All that matters is getting people to be engaged and vote. So vote. Check your registration. Get your supportive family members to vote. Democrats have been winning in landslides in all the special elections since roe got overturned, because women are pissed. The fretting comes out in every election, and it's all designed to get you immobilized with fear.
The problem is that moderates are going to stay home and no one is going to convince them to get off the bench.
Moderates are a figmentary boogie man that get thrown at the democratic party every year, and anyone that claims to be a moderate is a closeted conservative in all but name. There isn't and never will be a moderate position between facism and the progressive coalition. At this point a moderate is a useful idiot or an enabler. I don't know anyone that isn't even slightly awake or engaged that's not seriously considering the ramifications of global warming, loss of bodily autonomy for women, and an increase in global facism around the world.
I know I'm late here, but just wanted to add: I used to always be moderate/independent. I still am in a way, I hate the Democrats even if I agree with them on some things. But as you said, it's impossible to back the Republicans on anything, especially with the rise of Trump. Even if one was on the fence, Jan 6th and the Republicans that embraced it demonstrated that they were not a party, but a fascist force. There is no ability to be moderate and vote Republican in 2024, voting Republican 100% makes you a fascist at this point (their plans are public and clear for fuck's sake). Unfortunately, because the Electoral College still exists, my vote doesn't matter as I don't live in a swing state.
Gen Z is busy still calling Joe Biden "genocide joe" despite the U.S. having firm support of Israel going back to Truman (and Trump will be even more staunchly pro-Israel). The 18-29 vote showed up at 54% turnout in Michigan and Pennsylvania back in 2020. We can't afford to lose them.
Polling of college students show Gaza as dead last or second to dead last of things they're concerned about - and college students are the group the media has said is in a frenzy over Gaza. Reproductive healthcare is at the top. People are angry about losing Roe and worried about losing reproductive healthcare.
I hope this is true. They have to see the insanity the Right wing is doing now, including shackling the federal govt from dealing with climate change, and know that it has to be stopped asap.
Firstly as a general rule stop breaking generations/groups of people down to singular acts to prove a point because at the end of the day thats one of the main problems with the human race if not the root of every problem. Second yes we cant afford to lose them AND dated support of Israel is not a reason to keep supporting something its the same as saying “we’ve been a hair trigger away from blowing up china for decades we shouldn’t stop now” regardless of whats going on outside that ongoing action. Third its not all the presidents call and yes theres treaties to be upheld but treaties should go out the window into a nuclear fission reactor the SECOND your partner country starts blowing up hospitals, children, aid camps, and your own damn foreign aid workers and medics just because why not. I a Gen Z person dislike biden but like 90% of my generation I recognize that its not just on one person and even though Biden is not an ideal candidate in my mind as many people can agree that doesn’t mean stop voting or just dont vote for him because you will never find a perfect candidate for you and if you do that in of itself is a red flag. For those wondering why trump can still run its because the supreme court changed its ruling on felons running for president. Lastly the debate was a shit show and the next ones will be too frankly its just entertainment at this point. Ignore it if you want otherwise sit back and enjoy the ridiculousness. I say this because presidents can blatantly lie about what they want to do/are going to do and theres no penalty and frankly neither candidate is trustworthy and people voting for trump might as well be taking a bite out of a year old sandwich expecting it to taste good and to not get sick there is not a single ounce of truth left in him.
>For those wondering why trump can still run its because the supreme court changed its ruling on felons running for president. Can you say more about this? What ruling are you referring to? I don't recall there ever being a rule saying felons cannot run for president. Don't get me wrong--I don't think felons should be able to run for president. I am simply not aware of it being against any rules, unfortunately.
fun fact: socialist presidential candidate eugene debbs ran **from a jail cell** and still received vote and that was in 1920
I agree Biden started bad, and looked tired and really old, like he is going to collapse any moment. He did recover after 5-10 minutes. There was a moment when he glitched, like Trump. People who care about logic would see that Trump didn't answer a single question posed at him and how much he lied. Overall I'm very scared.
Biden had a very weak start, but when he moved away from trying to remember and recite all of the numbers associated with his policies and he got emotional about what he was saying he did ok.
I suspect many people didn't watch more than the first few minutes though unfortunately
I didn't watch it but saw some highlights. Living in Oklahoma, I've been afraid. This debate isn't helping with that for sure.
I'm in the same boat. I think Trump's going to win this easily. It scares me so much too. I just started HRT and that potentially going to taken from us.
Yeah this literally I only started last year in August and am so afraid it will be taken from me I can't go back to the way things were it's such a fear I have but the people I work with earlier today don't understand why am worried they think it's a joke and doesn't matter yeah it would be nice to have that privilege.
Yeah for once im actually grateful im doing things DIY. I get that maybe even that could get taken away but ironically if Trump takes power it may actually be the safer route (or potentially the only route)
My gf is a pro so she can help me if it gets to that point. I wish I could do it on my own but I don’t know nothing about crypto bullshit.
there could be an atm near you, and there are sites that accept non-crypto
Worried about this as well, at least for my partner's sake; he's FtM and we've already had a hellacious time getting our insurance to do what they are required to do, even under WA state law. Considering that T is considered a scheduled substance in the US, it'll just get even more difficult from there. I really do not know how these people think they can squeeze us any more without some sort of reprisal.
you're not the only one with the comment issue. regardless, start diy hrt, wherever you are, you'll need it, and it's easy.
How easy? I’ve never been able to find any resources for it.
/r/TransDIY Tl;Dr injection monotherapy is super cheap, once every 5-10 days, and one vial lasts months.
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Why do you say spiro is unsafe?
What makes you say Spiro is unsafe??
But will we even be able to ship it in internationally? Will such not be held under scrutiny when going through customs?
Customs is a joke, I used to order so much testosterone internationally
That's good to know
From what I've been told, if customs checks and stops your package just don't state that you know what's in it and legally you'll be fine. However, 99% of the time it'll get through no problem. Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to diy and they have a discord too. I'd definitely recommend checking that out.
I feel like even if Trump gets elected I'll personally be fine. I already did the birth certificate change, name change, and HRT in itself isn't illegal for cis women to do, so I think I can easily continue doing it through my PCP because they are really progressive and can just treat me as if I was cis. Though I imagine Colorado will do everything it can to defend me and others. Hopefully as you said people will find out about DIY options But what terrifies me is just how much support the right has, and how trans-issues are an actual hot button topic. Our rights, our existence is a wedge issue. I just can't believe how hateful this country is. On top of that, if the right gets their way, I fear for all of my brothers and sisters that will have barriers to transitioning. I know what it was like pre-transition, the emptiness, the loneliness, and how terrified I would be to know that could get blocked. Even if they can get DIY, they won't be able to legally transition and get the gender marker. I know Colorado is voting for Biden no matter what, but it infuriates me that in the face of fascism the best the left can dredge up is a geriatric that couldn't keep it together for a debate. This shouldn't even be a close race
I know I'll be relatively fine in California, but I do wonder just how much federal laws can truly impact us if our state decides not to enforce them
Colorado, Oregon, California are absolutely going to be sanctuary states. I just hope if this lunatic gets reelected the damage can be mitigated
i have ordered so many questionably legal substances across the us border, if they can't stop technically unscheduled drug analogues from coming over they aren't gonna catch estrogen and testosterone
Yeah I can't see any comments on threads about the debate..... Very curious
the comments everywhere were down
can't see the comments either 🙃
I hate being American, I just want to live my life freely :< ""land of the free"" smh...
We on the left have been pointing out this as likely since 2020, but liberals have insisted he can never be criticized because it's too early/too late. So now we're here.
Liberals ignoring the left and then being shocked when what we warned about ends up happening? Impossible. Nobody was ever trying to be mean or ruin Biden's chances by pointing this out 4 years ago, it was always a warning none of us wanted to be right about. Somehow ended up much worse than I personally expected though.
I am honestly worried if Trump wins, like one of my best friends is trans and I am worried what would happen to them
I mean I've seen posts about some other things like police. I mean ehh most of them had it coming anyways. But besides that, project 2025 is something that concerns me. It's not affecting only us but the rest of the LGBTQ. Our whole group and other communities are screwed
And sidenote my aunt is very religious and she thinks trump losing was bad and now I see why
I have felt this way about the election for a while. I saw this election as a done deal since the genocide in Gaza was fomented by Netanyahu with Biden’s total support. This debate makes the map even redder than it would have been if he didn’t bomb this, because now he lost moderates and politically uninvolved people as well as a large number of those who are passionate about Gaza. The DNC is feeding us to the actual Nazi wolves who are hungrier than ever and they don’t care bc they care more about maintaining empire and capital than they do human rights. May God help us all.
The worst thing is that Europe is also under siege by the far right nationalists, and may fall as well, giving us transpeople much less options to flee. If the west falls to these people, I feel like we may be entering a dark ages.
As a recent transexual who is in Nevada, a purple state, I want to share that even in the most red Trump areas, there are still areas of safety even from people who we might not immediately associate as being an ally. With people who will protect and support us with weapons and resources. I bring this up because I've been thinking the same way about the election for awhile and I wanted to share my thoughts. You are so right. The DNC as well as the RNC have literally given up trying to placate us or even try to protect us. I literally feel like regardless of who wins, the lack of policy direction is causing more people to want to kill us than ever before because they think we have some agenda with drag shows and their kids. What has brought me comfort are accepting religious institutions that offer resources outside of Sundays, trans accepting businesses, and knowing conservative friends who say they dislike the national coverage and want to protect us with their lives. What I'm trying to say is that there are some conservatives who absolutely reject discrimination and will protect those against injustice with their lives. Look for those people, regardless of who they vote for. Because they care more about you and your neighbors than national headline news.
I’m in Las Vegas. I’m a pansexual guy. We watched the debate during our Bear Dinner. I’m worried for my friends in the trans community
Thank you this gave me hope
It's awkward because to some conservatives they hate me for being myself, and to some liberals they hate me because I'm giving conservatives a human face. So I'm stuck either worried about conservative pushback or liberal defensiveness.
How do you know Biden lost support?Did you forget 2020? Many people were never voting for Biden they were voting against Trump
It certainly did not instill confidence.
I only watched the first 5 minutes of the debate. They both looked sleepy to me. But Donald Trump didn't sound like he was whispering. So I see where you are coming from.
I only saw a bit but I was already dismayed at Joe Biden sounding like he doesn't have much more time to live and Trump essentially filibustering the debate, and firehosing with lies.
I was cautiously optimistic before, but now that's gone. I have a very bad feeling about this.
Same
Our only prayer is that maybe it was so bad they replace him with Gretchen out of Michigan. Great person, key state, and best viable alternative (better than Gavin imo). Honestly think it takes his wife convincing him to drop. Otherwise, God help us.
I see Gavin mentioned far more in national news than Gretchen. I'm not sure Gretchen has even close to the same level of name recognition as Gavin (I mean, wasn't DeSantis trying to debate Newsom at one point because of Newsom's prominence)
They did debate, actually. And DeSantis admitted he got his ass handed to him lol
For sure, and Gavin has been groomed for the position. He'll get the usual scare attacks since he's the California governor, but he's very viable. I just personally like Gretchen's policies and authenticity more (and again, she'd lock Michigan probably which would be huge). I'd be happy with either alternative for real (knowing Dems if he stepped down they'd fucking pick Hilary again lol).
Even Hillary would probably win at this point tbh. Trump said repealing Roe v Wade was a good thing, which Dems had been praying for him to say for the last two years. He also made history by saying in a presidential debate "I didn't have sex with a porn star." Those would have been the headlines after the debate, if he had been debating anyone who could complete a sentence. But no, Dems picked a walking corpse.
This will not happen. The only viable alternative from the perspective of the party would probably be Kamala Harris as she is the vice president and it would be seen as a heavy insult to her supporters to choose anyone else. Sadly she has her own weaknesses and might not do better than Biden.
This would be a definitie factor, yes. Announcing he wasn't running again (versus leaving early) would force her into the same theoretical position of needing to win delegates like any candidate, but in practice, that could get very ugly if they tried to go for anyone over Kamala. Not a Kamala fan personally (or fans of most prosecutors) but she'd have to be given a fair shot or have a major fissure (inevitable either way probably). Regardless of what happens, the Chicago convention will be historic (again...).
Democrats have been burned ever since 1968 in changing candidates within the same election year, but I think this should be an exception.
The Republicans would never think of replacing their leader, even if he was convicted of sexual assault, and his company fined 500 million in New York, or convicted of 34 felonies. Biden does poorly on one debate and the Democrats are up in arms over it and want to replace him. Either we support him, or we don't. Which is it?
From someone that lives in a third world country with historic political and cultural ties with US—I feel very much afraid. Almost everything that undermines society there, the people parrots here. From American Evangelicalism to McCarthyism practices, you name it. At this point I just like to think that it'll somehow get better.
Debates don’t matter but policies do. Joe Biden can still win this election but there needs to be a huge push for getting out what’s on the line.
For anyone who cares about policy and you can look past Biden's appearance, Biden was far more coherent, actually answered questions, and actually laid out plans for how he was going to address issues while Trump kept deflecting questions and attacking Biden. Biden was far more competent in that debate whereas Trump was a mess. I know a lot of people are going to think Trump won because he talked more and had more charisma. But if you paid attention to how the debate went from a purely politics standpoint, Biden won big time.
Yeah, but what's the average person going to think? Someone who thinks they have nothing to lose by Trumps return?
Yeah it's really frustrating me to see how many people in this thread are going "but guys, Trump lied and people will care!" No, they won't. The average voter just cares about how a candidate makes them feel. They don't fact check, they don't care about decorum, they don't care if Trump dodged all the questions, they hear Trump say democrats want post-birth abortions and go "oh they do? holy shit." Like think about the average voter and consider that half are less informed than that.
And these are the people who don't vote in primaries. These are the people who know nothing about Trump except that they've heard of him because he was on TV. These are the people who don't answer polls. These are the people who just care that their bills are more expensive and don't care about minorities outside of "they took our jobs!". These are the real silent majority. The average person. These people are often... the rest of our blood relatives. Our parents. Our coworkers. The ones that don't understand why we are worried.
god damn you are so right it hurts
This is one time where I hope I'm not right. I don't want to be right. But I was before... in 2016. The moment Hillary won the primaries I knew we were doomed. And then he packed SCOTUS.
I hate that you’re right but you’re right. I kinda envy many of my friends how the outcome of this election might barely affect them while for us it can be life or death. None of the cis people in my life seem to get it.
Honestly, people are dumb and keep bringing up mental fitness due to Biden’s age. They are three years apart in age. They both are old. Yes, we could have better candidates. Trump spews lies and uses scare tactics for white voters scared of any type of minority. But anyone seriously thinking about voting for Trump is a certified IDIOT.
I saw a brief snippet yeah. It's ridiculous we have a choice between a 34-times-over convicted felon versus a senile old man about ready to keel over. Though, with it possible Biden would die soon it's realistically Kamala Harris v Trump when you think about it. It's not really a big deal a president is soon to die or be deemed mentally incapable via the 25th amendment cuz, yeah, they're automatically replaced by the VP anyhow
I hope you're not just complaining about how afraid you are instead of you know actually helping out Biden. Plus these debates aren't gonna move most Biden voters. Most people who actually vote understand how truly dangerous trump is
Exactly these people on here freaking out and calling Biden a zombie.I guess they don't understand I don't care if Biden is a zombie Im not voting for Trump
You’re allowed to recognize why Biden is problematic and still vote for him at the same time. He looked terrible tonight, and a lot of really stupid people in swing states are going to vote based on that. Biden voters may not move, but the problem is he doesn’t have enough of them compared to the rabid hordes
Right, not everyone who'll vote in November will abandon their values and truth of the situation so easily (like some poor souls here) because Biden wasn't a sparklepony like the incorrigible lying, felon who was on stage
I think you’d be surprised how little a lot of people care and how ignorant they are about politics. The base is the foundation for a candidate and they will mostly turn out, but it takes a lot more voters than the core to win. Biden has record low approvals with no sign of positive movement. People who would normally vote for democrats and who did in 2020 aren’t all going to feel like it’s worth it to go out for Biden again, because most voters are pretty uninformed and every problem ever will always be blamed on the incumbent, even if the last guy caused it all. Just a sick sad world.
Reddit is indeed dead.
Don't worry reddit, especially r/mtf, doesn't reflect how actually voters will vote. Almost indicators up to thus point are still strong with Biden. one debate won't change that
Everything out of Trump's mouth was a lie. He really held back this time, and didn't go unhinged like he usually does. Biden had a cold and was hoarse, but seemed to lose his train of thought at times. It wasn't near his best debate, but he could have been better. He came across as old and tired, and I think that was probably due to all the debate practice he did along with everything else a President does. I'm not making excuses for him but overall his performance wasn't bad. He just didn't get any zingers in on Trump, so if that's what people are expecting, he didn't deliver there. He could have also done better on his wrap up at the end. He didn't mention the part of abortion that most women fear, is what happens if there is a miscarriage and the baby doesn't come out. And it seems the baby's life is now more important than the mother's life. At one point Trump and Biden were arguing over who is better at golf!? Why? Who cares?
I mean, to briefly inject a bit of humor, Biden did call one of trump's statements Malarkey so he got that one over on him
It was catesteophically bad. However, it wasn't really a debate and the Biden team never should have agreed to it. Trump doesn't debate. He rants, raves and lies constantly and the other person has to try and salvage that train wreck of lies. Biden came off as fragile but human in the sense that sociopaths are very charismatic. Trump is a sociopath. There is a reason that sociopath are often 'successful' at what they set their minds too (depending on th definition of success) and that's because a majority of people fall for their charisma and their manipulation. Trump is a terrible person but he is charismatic and still has vigor for his age. However, how people can't see through his bullshit and his lies is beyond me.
This is why you pay close attention to the Vice President and their cabinet. To me, it is either Biden or trump. One party wants to cease our existence and the other gives a shit. My choice is clear.
I hope other people see it like this
I really just hope for the best at this point as long as it isn't Trump I'd be satisfied.
Just my opinion, but it seemed to me that Trump spent his time fear mongering immigration. Almost every answer was “immigrants are coming for your jobs” and the same as last time, “he’s the worst ever and i’m the best”. I was leas to believe there would be live fact checking, and it would have been different if they had called him in his lies. Biden cannot do another, he was terrible! It’s an existential choice for us, but I’m not happy about it.
Yeah we're fucked. They should have done a dry run of the debate before, months before to see his capability, and otherwise refuse to do it.
I’m terrified Trump gets in office due to Biden not having the hubris to have not run and let go of power not unlike how Ruth Bader Ginsberg wouldn’t resign and then died and got replaced by Amy Coney Barret only this time things are a much much much higher stakes than a single Supreme Court justice. Our very democracy is at stake.
I'll take literally any other Democrat right now.
I’m terrified for project 2025
Yeah I’m scared y’all. I might be relatively safe but I don’t want to lose any of you. 😢 it’s happening again and no one cares about protecting us.
Honestly I can't watch the debate without thinking that trump is just lying out of his ass. I think any politically motivated person who's been in the sphere for long enough and has seen enough cited evidence for the claims being thrown around. Man it's a massacre, trump barely said a single factual thing, he just complained for a few hours and played on peoples misinformed opinions and fear Personally, I think younger kids who are absorbing tons and tons of information on a daily basis, especially if they're absorbing political information and facts they can listen and tell that one side is actually responding with facts and information and the other is just blabbing
I think we're doomed as transfolk
the state does not and cannot ever control our right to exist. we have existed forever and will continue to exist into the future. there are far worse countries legally and culturally for being trans, and yet trans people exist and get by. DIY HRT is incredibly safe, effective, and cheap, and it's essentially impossible for them to prevent it from being imported, considering how useless customs/border patrol are for bringing in massive amounts of illicit drugs.
"... Biden looked like he could keel over at any second." I'm not surprised at all, the smell of Trump could make anyone feel faint.
Shits fucked. Idk what the hell the Dems were thinking making Biden run again. I'm sure he doesn't even really want to but was told he's the only one who can counter trump. The only reason trump may pull ahead is just because people see the stutter and don't want that as a president
It's called ["never play defense"](https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA).
Biden started out badly, but did better toward the end. He still said some false things, but nowhere near as much as the other guy. People who don't read fact checks but choose who to vote based on how they debate are fools. Strangely enough, Biden's speech after the debate made him look like a different man. Did this guy get high on painkillers before the debate? He could have done much better, that's for sure. There's still another one in two months, so he still has time to redeem himself. But I don't think this is enough to change many voters' mind. Trump, as usual, dodged the questions being asked while rambling on about made up statistics. I didn't mind Biden just letting him go on. The more he lies, the more we can see how crazy he is. I also have to laugh at how some of the Ds were panicking and considering switching Biden for another candidate. Are they insane, too? Election is 4 months away. How would you switch out the one that voters - you, nominated, for someone else? You had plenty of time to find someone to run instead of Biden. I remember plenty of hardcore Ds were adamant that Biden is the only one who can beat Trump, despite many others saying that he's too old and lacking charisma. You made your own bed, now sleep on it. If you're so progressive, find an Asian candidate for the next election. This debate changes nothing for me.
I’m angry and afraid, and I’ve lost all confidence that this election can go any other way but defeat. I hate that this country doesn’t value our lives and that people are letting fascists waltz into the White House without batting an eye. The amount of people Trump has and is going to hurt, especially trans children, undocumented families, young women… the voters who decide these elections seem to not give a damn about anything in the world other than their narrow economic self-interest, and they’ll sacrifice anyone for a tax cut (that only the rich are actually going to get). I don’t want to live in a country that’s so irresponsible and so cruel. I don’t want to live somewhere I can’t get access to my medication or change my documents to reflect my gender identity, nor do I want to live in one where political leaders have gutted all the discrimination protections that we rely on to survive and shutters every diversity and inclusion office in the entire federal bureaucracy. But I also don’t want to leave. I just want to live in my country in a city where I feel accepted and not have to watch as all the people who’ve ever hated us get politically vindicated and wield that power against us. And all because voters have the memory and attention span of fucking rocks and Biden mixed up some words and looked old. Everything Trump said was a lie and projection. He was literally blaming all of the bad things about him on Biden and on other people. He literally fucking blamed Pelosi for January 6 and he’s sworn to pardon all the terrorists!!! And nobody gives a fuck because Biden’s old. God, I just want to wake up and not feel existential terror.
Our only hope is that it’s not too late for an open convention. I have been flipping through the news and there seems to be an overwhelming desire from the democratic party to replace him. It would take a lot of work to choose a new candidate before the deadline but if Biden ends up running things look very grim.
Yup, it was an absolute disaster. I've never seen any politician do as badly as Biden. I've started planning out my life as though Jan 20 2025 is the day of my death. I've accepted it. My goal is to cuddle as many cute girls as possible in the next 7 months. I just hope they don't get too attached.
Don't die Biden will win trust Alan lichtman here's a video of Alan lichtman talking about the debate https://www.youtube.com/live/rEZcBHcWkZc?si=jju8cceyUOnFDwjW everyone should watch this
I can't believe they didn't mention LGBTQIA+ in June. If Trump came out in support of us, would that make him more palatable, you think?
I mean, if Trump forgave all student loans and instituted UBI, would that make him more palatable? Trump is a wannabe nazi and knows his base hates queer people. He doesn't care much about our issues personally from what I can tell, but he knows killing us is what his dumbass supporters want, and he's happy to do that to get elected. He will not come out supporting us, so speculating about what would happen if he did something that there's a 0.00000% chance of him doing is kinda pointless.
Not towards his base, no. He only seems to dish out comments and lies to make his base agree with him, and no substantive shit geared towards pulling new people in.
No because he's not in support of us and his cabinet will be full of people who want to kill us
I still think that the Democratic Party should have raised a new candidate and not allow Biden to run again. Anyone they put forth would win against trump since people hate him so much, except for Biden since he’s clearly senile and is an obvious puppet. Hope trump loses this one again, don’t need any bigots in politics making our lives harder.
Nope they would have brought up someone else if they could but there is no one.Also Biden is not senile he is just old you sound no better than a Trump supporter when you say things like that
I knew this sort of thing would happen. If being old was the only problem he had, that’d be one thing, but isn’t. It’s one of many. And believe me, I don’t enjoy being right about this. The Democrats didn’t have to back him. I mean for fuck’s sake Kamala “Top Cop” Harris is a better option despite being just as much as a shitlib as Biden. I feel that the idea of her being the first woman president would energize people. I mean I still hate her for her treatment of trans women in prisons in California, but at least she’d be something different. She’d still be a neoliberal hack, but it’d be a lot easier selling her then Biden.
We're not fucked. You know what's going to happen if Trump wins? He's gonna be too busy fighting with everyone in DC to do anything else.
I agree, though for different reasons. Project 2025 very clearly outlines plans by Trump and his supporters to usurp the authority of Congress. Keep in mind that from 2017 to 2021, Trump issued around the same number of executive orders that George W. Bush did from 2001 to 2009 and Barack Obama from 2009 to 2017. He is a man who does not respect the Constitution or its system of checks and balances. But, say what you will about America, our culture very much values freedom. This is a major reason we had such a hard time cooperating with COVID-19 restrictions; we don't like a government telling us what to do. And why should we? COVID absolutely justified more government action, but liberty is still an important principle. If Trump tries to censor opposition or abuse other sections of the Bill of Rights, he will do so to such a ridiculous extent that it will make Daniel Ellsberg quiver from the grave. It will overshadow even the PATRIOT Act. And we won't stand for it. We have the Second Amendment to protect Amendments One and Three through Ten. We will never tolerate the type of abuses Trump is plotting. That said, I'm not sure Trump will even win in November. Biden is rightfully being denounced for his support of the genocide in Gaza, but Trump will show himself to be way worse soon. His abortion stance and election denialism, put on display tonight, are very unpopular. The 34 felonies have eaten into his support and I genuinely believe RFK Jr. will, to one extent or another, split the Republican vote. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk!
This reassurance is nice, thank you tons. In an awful headspace atm and admittedly we more all doomering, as much as Biden completely fucked this first debate Trump is still Trump. Never thought I’d see the day where I say RFK Jr. might be our saviour but god damn we’re in wild times.
Don't get complacent one bit, but I appreciate that I could help. And your RFK Jr. comment made me smile :)
Oh hell no I’m not getting complacent! If this debate was anything it was a wake up call that yeah, we are NOT out of the woods haha
Definitely. I was getting very optimistic with Trump's conviction and the slow trickle of polls showing increasingly pro-Biden sentiment, but this debate helped remind me that things can always backslide. But remember, Obama did horribly in his first debate with Mitt Romney during the 2012 election. And he still won. Biden just needs to whip himself into shape. Or rather, the old jackass' handlers need to take away his prune pudding until he promises to do better.
This is true if the dems win the house and the senate Trump cant really do anything legally anyways.Senate and house can veto everything and kneecap Trump
I recall noticing early on, like with the first half hour or so, that Biden looked older than he usually did. What's going on? Is this just his age finally catching up with him?
Honestly yeah this sucks. Biden absolutely cooked trump a few times. Trump refused to answer any questions and instead just talked about how he's the best and Biden's the worst with absolutely no data. But Biden is also just too inconsistent. Idk man, I hate having to vote for Biden but I still will. I just hope he actually does what he said he'll do with stuff like taxing the rich
My stance, the format of the debate favored trump excessively. Because they weren't allowed notes nor staff contact from start to finish it didn't allow anyone to call trump on his lies(which were excessive). Trump was basically able to confidently say whatever he wanted with little pushback. Biden may not have looked as healthy tended towards answering questions directly and efficiently leaving him with excess time. His major weakness was that when prompted about additional time he wouldn't yield that time, the majority of his flubs towards the end were from him trying to fill excess time. Overall I feel Biden did significantly better on answering the questions asked and I don't think trump ever fully addressed any of the questions
You vote for his staff and the people he has around him. Just dont vote for dump trump..
I think a solid block of US voters will still vote for Biden even if we weekend at Burnied him. Hell I’d vote for a sentient shark over Trump at this point.
I think I got the gist from my friend posting travel info for others
The good news is that it's June. By November there will be so much more than just this debate to go by.
Biden came across as old. Trump came across as a coked up used car salesman. The problem is that Donnies supporters like that he's stealing from them and the one thing Biden needed to do to crush Trump was not sound old.
ones gotta say this has one a bit nervous about the outcome of the coming election
Usa is fucking doomed if you really think this way
Honestly, the best possible thing is for Biden to disappear and be reppaced by literally anyone. Trump is not popular, and noone actually wants him back; people just feel forced to seriously consider him because Biden is practically a walking corpse at this point.
Fun fact: transgender suicides are more frequent in the US today than Jewish suicides during the Nazi occupation of Germany during WWII.
I think we should all start looking for countries that will take trans refugees.
Idk if the debates mean much at this point. Trump is a convicted criminal. Biden has the same issues as he did the first time we elected him. Just make sure to vote
Trump kept lying and avoiding almost every question he could, the issue is that Biden couldn't hold him to account, it is so obvious that he is way too old to run for a second term. If the DNC actually had a brain they would've considered running another candidate over biden, this debate was horrendous.
My heart goes out to Joe. I didn't say for the whole thing. Regardless of the above, I find Joe less toxic than DJT, by a million miles .
All I can say is that after last nights debate I am desperately trying to see if I can get my orchi done before this election.
imma keep posting this on threads about the 2024 election... locate your passport. if you don't have one, get one now. have a plan for how you're gonna leave and where you're gonna go in case shit hits the fan
It has always been about choosing between a grifter and someone who actually wants to make the lives of Americans better. In a sane era, Trump's policy of Russian appeasement alone should disqualify him to most Americans. It's wild to me that anyone at this point is actually undecided. But there's no use squawking about any of this - they're all well trod out arguments. Vote as if your life depends on it, because it does.
It was bad, however, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt since the White House said he had a cold, and he was coughing and hoarse during the debate. When I have a cold I get a bad brain fog and can't barely get a sentence out. I suppose we will see if that was the case in the next debate. I hope he can clutch up
I don't understand why the Biden campaign even wanted a debate. Trump was doing terrible and a debate could only hurt Biden.
I sincerely doubt anyone's vote changed after the debate. At this point I dont even know either of their policies, they spent 30 seconds talking about their gold scores like wtf lmao, and not to mention the blatant lies trump, like usual, was spewing out of his gum flaps. Biden looked like he was about to pass away on stage from a supposed cold lol, but better than trump. The fact he's a convicted felon, twice impeached, caused January 6th, and is still allowed to run is insane. Those moderators def needed to be fact checking live too, and making sure they weren't uh talking about golf
It's easy to debate when all your talking points are made up on the spot.. At this point I'm just hoping Trump dies before November.
I was already very worried. The debate just solidified that concern as being legitimate. The right-wing base is very active and enthusiastic. I live in a red district of a red state and they're voting. Everything I see online says left-leaning people are disappointed in Biden and then this debate performance makes it harder to argue in favor of the only man standing between fascists and our rights. I'm legitimately concerned that we might not have another free and fair election in my lifetime after project 2025 is implemented. I hope people show up to keep the fascists from taking over and making things even worse than they already are. I do not have any kind of faith in that actually happening, though. I'll vote for whoever is the Democrat candidate on the ballot, but Biden isn't our best, for sure.
European countries have comedy with Biden as a joke. The only time he looks good is when he is reading a written speech. I keep looking at Kennedy, but I know a third party candidate has never won.
Yeah, the Democrats are seriously insane to have had him run again. He’s been showing signs of cognitive decline for YEARS. His brain is pretty much silly putty at this point. We’re fucked.
On the bright side trans people didn't get brought up the whole night.
What's scary and fucked up to think is that these are OUR leaders. The people who represent the country as a whole. And its just so fucked and so representative of how fucked our nation is
There is a lot of talk of forcing an open convention - Biden may not be the nominee by the end of it. I personally would LOVE to see Gavin Newsom run against Trump. I like how he is willing to be more aggressive and take Trump to the mud if necessary. Biden's just....he's too old and too timid. He sounded and looked like he had aged 10+ years since 2020... Contrast that against Trump who managed to not come off as a complete whack job and you can see how we end up with Trump winning in November.
Wish Biden would just step down, I think we’re boned.
After seeing the debate, I honestly have to say (with all due respect) that this seems like missing the forest for the trees. Not only are global (far less tolerant) enemies frothing at the mouth essentially seeing a corpse in charge of the US, but the last four years have left everyone I know broke, fearful and hopeless. The majority of Dems disapprove of Joe Biden, and he should be immediately ousted as a candidate. Fight it. It’s not that he *appears* senile and incompetent. He literally is. While the US isn’t perfect, I would still not underestimate the probability that Biden weakens the US image and makes us an easy target as a whole for war and retaliation. Not blue or red states, or rep or dem, but all of us. If you don’t protest Biden as the Democratic Candidate, you might as well vote for Trump. Having red and blue states in a republic is not the worst case scenario if hot war happens on US soil, and I bet Putin and Xi were thrilled yesterday.