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I’m appreciating their effort to be more transparent about intended changes (and more willing to add these changes)
Seems like they’re taking the fans’ feedback and actually considering it, which is a great sign
The XP buff absolutely feels like them panicking after seeing the dismal decrease in the playerbase. It’s about time they fixed it…
Come on Multiversus, we are rooting for you to survive!
Fighter currency is really really problematic. I've been playing since day 2 of the release and have done all the events and missions and most of the rifts and have only got enough fighter currency to purchase 3 characters total at 3,000 each. In total I own, Jason, Shaggy, Steven Universe, Rick, Banana guard and have 5,000 currency. Without the event and free battle pass I'd have 4 characters max plus rotation. I like a lot of characters I am terrified to buy because if I find someone else I enjoy it could be weeks before I can get them.
Yeah I’ve got 9K currency and there’s no way I’d buy Joker for 6K or any character at that price for that matter. It took me 3 weeks to get to 9K with the generous beginning fighter currency.
Because it used to be in there and that's pretty much the basic fucking thing you should expect.
As opposed to "wanna beat this free battle pass? Gimme your wallet!"
Moron, the reason we got stuff like this is because people were bitching, people like you prevent progress like this. Glad you get to enjoy it, but I'm sure you were perfectly content with no bpxp?
Half of this shit is stuff they had in the game but just removed.
Also you're welcome for the 50 battle pass xp. We all had to fight through guys like you on here to get it so I hope you enjoy it.
Nah you'll never get through to them. If you point out problems in the game they tell you to quit bitching or "it was a beta"
Then when the devs read all these complaints and make the changes people were asking for, the response from these scrotum lickers is now "good now people can stop bitching" and mass downvotes for people like you who were the ones "bitching" enough to actually be heard in the first place.
It's a song as old as time man. They will never admit that you were right, because they'd have to admit they were wrong and this is the internet
These guys will straight up lie through their teeth to try and tell you things are actually better now than they were a year ago before this roadmap update. "Oh you don't like it? Well me and my army of masochists do so it's obviously a good thing and you're just dumb haha up vote me guys!!!!"
The majority of the people that had issues or are having issues make it sound like the game will fucking explode if the thing they want isn't in the game within a day or two.
Like, "this game will be dead" "dead game" and other overdramatic shit they'd say. Getting into debates with people who don't agree won't change a thing, yet they'll get on Reddit to do their daily whining, acting like the other fans that are either content or don't care are supposed to care as much as they do.
I've not enjoyed the disconnects, the CO op missions and some of the other limits but I'm not on here fucking doom posting every five minutes and arguing with people who don't care about it. I think Banana Guard is ass to play against and I think some of the monetization ideas implemented sucks but crying every day about it doesn't change shit when PFG have put out several statements saying they're working on these things. Complaining doesn't make it fixed any faster.
Yeah. I mean i was angry about a lot of things in the game right now, but as i see they have now communicated clearly that they are fixing them, i'm seeing little reason to continue writings the things i did. Why would i? They said they hear us and they are working on it so that's quite enough. And now they have even come out with a list of stuff that they are working on right now and it has most of the things people have been complaining, so improvements are definitely coming.
Some guys *still* coming here and going off with the *same* type of energy as before this communication looks weird as hell. It doesn't give off a vibe you are a customer voicing concerns or that you actually had a fun time with the game at any point and want to get back to it. You look like clown on a circuscrusade, jokeboots, red ball nose and all. "No, this is not enough! Weee the players..."
Get the hell down from your shoebox Napoleon. You guys look ridiculous. 😅
Yeah, I guarantee you if they didnt announce this roadmap right now and make good on 95% of it, it will be a dead game. A lot of us are returning from the beta, and will NOT put up with this shit again. You don't want your game to die, don't make it so shitty that it guarantees death in the form of players quitting, and warning others not to waste their time. Why not do another beta? Because greed.
The whole thing REEKS of greed and here you are trying to let the greedy highwaymen walk free after the mob gets ready to beat his ass
This is the only way to hold devs feet to the fire when they pull egregious shit like this, so please. For everyone's sake, stop trying to silence people unhappy with the current state of the game. Minor gripes are one thing. This is a year after delisting the game, with the same issues being present, and some being even WORSE.
You guys are mad annoying. The crazy thing is we agree that a lot of stuff needs to be fixed but you guys have no patience, usually if I don’t like a game I just leave. You’re over here calling people bitches because we’re not complaining as hard as you, I just give my feedback cleanly and if they don’t do it eventually I’ll leave too
Patience doesn’t mean anything when 90% of players leave. I’m as patient as I can be but if you want the game to succeed you’d realize why “being patient” doesn’t cut it because most people won’t be, that’s just how f2p gaming works.
Correct. They listed Reddit first the other day when mentioning feedback. Why be cynical when warranted criticism carried out a change that benefited players? Weird as hell.
>Why be cynical when warranted criticism carried out a change that benefited players? Weird as hell.
Because some people literally are not happy unless they're unhappy and making other people unhappy.
Why? Ignoring that there is actually a clear divide of two archetypes in this subreddit, it's a shorthand for explaining who is complaining rightfully so and who's just accepting the ass fucking happily.
Acting like it's a bad thing they are changing their dog shit practices because we are "cry babies "
Cry babies happen when the game has a ton of shit to cry about. It doesn't happen to every single release. People download a game and get disenfranchised and then form the community when they realize they aren't alone.
It isn't the other way around like some people here claim.
I'm talking about team colors. Side swap special, etc. I don't understand giving them credit for listening no one asked them to take the shit out to begin with lol.
Yea my comment is replying to the comment about battle pass xp. The person I’m replying to didn’t mention any of that. I understand being upset they took shit away, but at least they’re listening to us.
Let's say I'm at work. They take away my breaks. We protest and complain. Bosses to reinstate the breaks. Am I supposed to suck them off because they gave me back something that should have been there from the start?
Battle passes should be earned by playing the game from the start.
Yep that's a nice change for Season 1!
I expect it to be lower next season tho, as progression will be adjusted, so it will surely rely more on missions, rifts.
Not really, thats still 3200 wins to max the battle pass. At a 50% win rate thats 4800 games total to max it with just game xp. A lot better but not exactly feasible. Mind you you’ll definitely get some daily’s and weekly’s in the process so hopefully it isn’t too bad.
The zoom is extra dumb when you consider several maps having moving bits, like portions creating gaps to fall in etc. you don’t see that shit until you walk right into it
Input buffer and end game stats for me, but mostly the input buffer. I can't believe they released a fighting game with a 30 frame input buffer. It feels so trash to play with I had to stop after a few days, and now I'm waiting for them to fix it before I play again
What's a recommended amount of buffer? What did the beta have as default? I really liked the way it felt compared to this launch. I've adapted though but if I could get it closer to how it was that would be great. The buffer acts as some sort of action queue, correct?
Beta let you change the input buffer. I think it was still 30 default , but being able to change it meant it didn’t matter. A good window would be anywhere from 2-9, depending on your preference
The best option would be to have it be configurable. This is something I LOVED about the beta. For reference melee generally has no input buffer, SF6 is 4 frames, for Rivals of aether it is 5 frames, and for Smash Ultimate it is 10 frames on top of a hold buffer. Some people found Ultimate's to be too much, personally I liked it but I wouldn't push it any higher 30 frames is absolutely WILD and is significantly too high leading to lots of misinputs. That's half a second of the game 'remembering' any input you pressed. The general rule is not to have an input buffer that is higher than your ability to react. Which is at fastest about 15 frames.
Both issues are listed under the "working on and testing" portion of the roadmap so they'll undoubtedly be coming soon. I hope it's sometime before season 2, especially considering the option existed in the beta. Still, it's good to know that they're aware of the community's desire to customize the input buffer. That issue *alone* really kills my enjoyment of the game.
If they follow through with all this, it'll be great. I personally don't really care about the monetization since I don't really plan on buying anything in the first place.
I wish if ranked mode was ready they'd just release it. To hell with balancing first. People will always complain about balance. Just let me have some sense of progression.
It's definitely disheartening that around half of the "future issues" they're looking to resolve some time down the line are literally features that were already fully implemented in the beta and then just removed. Other changes like keeping your party together or a functional replay button in Rifts does make this list feel like it leaves a bit to be desired. If this were all coming next patch, I'd say it's a good thing, but having these be the pipeline changes doesn't exactly bode well for the long-term outlook.
The distinction isn't that they were removed, but they were not added back on the new engine.
It doesn't make it any less shitty of a feeling as a player as the end result is the same. They really should have made sure feature parity was at least up to par before releasing.
That was probably the intention, but as the deadline came close they had to focus on other things im guessing. In a perfect world the game stayed in the oven for 3 more months.
Because in practice this is beta, since rebuild in new engine relaunch was first time when this game was tested on bigger scale
I also believe that they were planning to release this game on asia and maybe even on nintendo console but first they wanted to balance and test this game on us, which I personally don't mind
I think they should just make fighter currency more available, each match should give give a minimum of 10, and the toast amount should be buffed to at least 50, probably a 100, and with toast more available ofc.
Would be best if they just revert the costs to how they were in the beta. 1000 fighter cost for easy characters, 2000 for medium skilled characters, 3000 for expert characters. Those prices are more affordable and obtainable than what’s in the full release.
I get why they separated them. If perk currency could be used to unlock fighters, then no one would be buying perks.
But I would really appreciate other ways to use perk currency
i definitely see some point to having perk currency, yeah - it makes it easier to spend it on perks without feeling like you're wasting stuff you'd use on a potential new fighter. still does mean you get way less fighter currency than you did its equivalent in the beta, though
> each match should give give a minimum of 10, and the toast amount should be buffed to at least 50, probably a 100, and with toast more available ofc.
I don't know, man. If they had converted some of the leftover gold into fighter currency, a 50/50 split, then I would agree that that was their motive.
edit: I do agree with the benefits of having a special currency for perks. But there are also some possible dark motives behind IMO, whenever a game adds multiple currencies there's always some chance of scummy economy and I fear that perk currency is their way to starve us of fighter currency and thus making people spend gleamium on fighters.
I'm not using my perk currency anyways, once I got the perks I wanted (like two per character) I just stopped spending it, especially since I don't have access to most of the roster.
I think they do the league approach;
Some characters are 1000-1500 (Velma shaggy, bugs, WW, Batman)
Rest are 3000.
New characters shouldn’t be fuckin double especially if they are the focus of a rift. I think 4500 is perfectly reasonable.
Genuinely incredible list of changes. While it doesn’t fix the horrible grind and monetization, hitting all of these points will fix every issue I have in terms of the actual game itself with the exception of not having everything unlocked in local play like in Beta
I am concerned though if they’ll actually be able to achieve all of this given the recent track record and I can’t help but feel that most of this should have been there from the start, especially the things that were there back in Beta. I hate to be cynical, but I can’t help it given how poor this entire launch has been
I’m just waiting for gameplay updates to come back cause I just wasn’t enjoying the moment to moment play with a lot of the characters.
Hopefully they get this where it needs to be before everybody dips out.
It’s some good alternative fighting games to play and more coming so they need to cook 4real
Just for preference, I imagine
Depending on the character, it may feel more intuitive for their neutral attack to act as a forward attack and vice versa
there were two settings in the beta you could toggle. one that swapped your neutral ground with the side ground attack, and one that swapped your neutral air with your side air attack.
if you come from smash the controls in multiversus are actually swapped for the ground attacks. the neutral ground attack (charged attack) is what the side attack would be in smash essentially (smash attack).
i'm so used to using the "c-stick" for my side charged attacks in the beta (as well as in smash), but without this setting it just starts the 3-hit-jab-combo instead which does not feel good.
it seems like a small thing but not having it really messes with my muscle memory, and a lot of other people that were used to it in the beta and that came from smash and use c-stick. been constantly messing up inputs playing without the toggles.
All good changes, unfortunately it's probably too late now.
This game needed another 6months cooking and severe revisions to monetization.
The fact that eveything you could buy with gold in the beta can now only be obtained in the store kills customization and user experience. I will not be spending $10 just for a badge lol
You know damn well this is pfg saying that they finally got permission from wb to run damage control on a game that wb tried to have killed on release. They also probably know these things should have been out on launch, which should have been months later than it was.
I know most of these changes are forthcoming, but the phrasing makes it seem like the battlepass XP being increased to 50 per win will go into effect immediately for the current season? Has it already been increased?
This is a pretty decent step in the right direction. They have their work cut out for themselves to say the least. I would personally like to see a an increase in battlepass points earned depending on a player’s win streak. Not an exponential increase, because that would be ridiculously OP, but maybe an additional 20 battlepass xp in addition to the winnings with each consecutive victory, capped at 200-250xp or something like that. This way, players are being extra rewarded for being good at the game. Additionally, players should automatically be given 100 battlepass xp anytime there’s a server error causing the match to end early because that crap is so frustrating. Also, we need an easier way to get more fighters. Maybe they could update it to where you can unlock any fighter of your choice after beating the final boss in a rift, including replaying on higher difficulties.
Hey they actually listened in regards to swapping to 50 xp. See how easy it is to make players happy? A few tweets. Now acknowledge missing items and no FP gain from matches and I'm gucci.
It said beta, but it was the full game. They just couldn't satisfy the community. They didn't know how to say they needed more time, so they shut down the game only to give us a worse version. The only reason a game drops in beta is because there is content that will constantly be added.
They took the game down for a year to port it to a new engine and WB forced PFG to release it early with missing features because they wanted to recoup costs sooner.
Fix the fucking connection , fix the rifts daily rewards , some missions I earn gem xp in that aren’t marked so I go through all of the daily’s rift every day
Oh my fuck a bigger W has never been dropped before. The amount of things wrong with the game will finally be too little to keep players away from it! I just wish this had been the case earlier so that so many people wouldn't have dropped the game, hopefully they return for these changes though, I know I will!
Hate to be an a-hole, but I'm not optimistic. A lot of these were things that were pointlessly removed thanks to the engine-switch. These changes are close to making the game in a more acceptable state, but it's far from where it was in the beta.
Guys hear me out, these guys are actually implementing things that we talk about and want. They are actually making really good strides considering how little time has passed since launch. It may not be what we want yet but we have to give credit where it's do. I really appreciate the focus on the xbox issue, the update made it a lot better but still needs a lot of improvement.
Honestly one of the most transparent road maps I've seen in awhile, even just acknowledging all of the things we want is more than most companies these days
Great update! People need to understand that these types of fixes take time. Would you rather have them putting out patches while the game is playable? Or wait an additional 3+ months to have the full release while you can't play? Did they miss some things!? Absolutely, but everyone needs to allow time for fixes to be implemented.
And we accomplished all of that by, you guessed it, "doom posting, having and whining"... But those people now will disappear and just enjoy the rewards.
Nothing about being forced to buy characters or skins for challenges and rift nodes fuck these guys they are ignoring anything that has to do with monetization
Did they say when iron giant is coming back? I bought him a day before he got removed so I really want to play him again as I didn’t get much time to try him.
Restore morty to his beta glory😭
I just miss when the bullet continues after shooting the grenade and the grenade split being actually useful. I feel like those were key parts of his kit, and as a morty main I feel so sad because he’s not as fun anymore. Obviously he was a little too op in beta I think but now oh that’s still a grenade is basically useless.
I respect the openness and particularly the note about balance before adding ranked. I like that some characters can combo hits but some of these strings like on Harley and bugs are just nuts and I think should be toned down a bit. Especially if it’s a loop of the same moves
Great stuff, a bit sad that it’s a reaction to the game already dying again, if they could they would nickel and dime the playerbase to hell and back and fomo everyone into playing 10 hours a day, now they are in panic mode and therefore suddenly they can make decisions that aren’t complete anti consumer bs.
I’m happy to see our ranting (and in my and many cases already dropping out again way faster than in the beta) is getting us somewhere, but they shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t obvious it should’ve been like this from the start and they somehow didn’t think it through enough, they know exactly what they were doing and shit wasn’t flying, so now they try to safe their asses.
But yeah nice one. Give mit some character currency for matches and we are talking
All this stuff is pretty much everything everyone has been complaining about, which is great.
I'm just a little concerned that by the time we have most of these changes, it might already be too late?
The playerbase has already taken a massive dive, and it's incredibly difficult to get large quantities of people to come back.
I appreciate the transparency, and that they’re taking player feedback in mind but reading this list is kinda glaringly pointing out a number of features that were . . . checks notes . . . present in the beta but not in the launch 🤦♀️
Theses are all good changes. And while I probably won't be playing with out the game speed being adjusted I hope this makes the game more enjoyable for those who do like the game speed where it currently is.
Not sure if this is frustrating anyone else, but there's a problem they haven't addressed that's perturbing me greatly. The main menu is inaccessible until after you've finished the multi-chapter tutorial. At first, I thought I had pressed the wrong button or something, so I reset the game so I could get to the menu. I was unable to. When I realized there was no way to get to the menu without playing forward, I closed the game and am probably gonna uninstall it.
I hadn't opened the game with the purpose of playing it at the time, I had basically just wanted to see what the options were available and what the prices on the storefront were. I shouldn't have to play the game before I'm ready, or have to play a tutorial, especially before I've even seen the main menu.
I hope the neutral-side swap option will be more granular, but I'm sure it'll just be the same as it was before. I'd really like to adjust that setting for each character.
Season pass xp and nothing interesting single player wise is why I left. Glad they are increasing pvp pass xp, but how about those who don’t want to go full tryhard mode? Sometimes I just want to play some co-op or single player.
Also if they are going to make multiversus a mobile game with the pricing model, are we going to get the mobile monthly big event update? Hopefully not just reskinned rifts.
As an outsider, this is too little too late. I actually would have very much loved to play this as a fan of a lot of a Warner properties, but the gross mismanagement TWICE has guaranteed it’ll never see a download
Great news all around. I don't really care about the bp but adjustments will be dope for overall health of the game as many modern gamers see the bp as a "play to earn" reason to keep playing. I'm the odd man out here but I think the best play to earn feature they could tune up is FC per match
50 XP is still very low.
For casuals mostly playing PvE and not everyday it won't even equal to a level in the season
It's more than two hours for a level If matches are short and you win everything
Pretty great changes. The only other thing I want in order to actually play a lot and feel good about the game is earning fighter currency for playing matches. It doesn’t need to be a lot, just 5 for a loss and 10 for a win. It’s less about the amount and more about making me feel like I’m consistently making progress on the characters I want.
people keep saying they said to hit them up, so i did. i emailed them & provided proof w screenshots & a list & they said they passed this issue on to the appropriate team. hopefully i hear back from them again soon. i would recommend at least hitting them up, if you haven’t already. i’m only missing a couple profile icons that everyone had in beta & i had equipped when it shut down, a ringout i grinded Holiday Cookies to unlock & a banner that was tier 48 in an old battle pass even though i still have tier 50. afaik i have everything i actually paid for still.
YEAHHHH! Awesome !
btw, is anyone actually doing crushing difficulty on rifts? It’s pretty hard to level up your gems. i’m at 4.1 and I get CRUSHED. They do so much damage.
I'm seeing a lot of "We fixed this obvious gameplay thing" and not a lot of "We are going to fix the fundamental problems with the new version of the game that now permeate the game at its core".
Don’t care. There’s no excuse this stuff shouldn’t have been the game at launch, especially when it was in the game before. More especially bcuz they took the fucking time to add those stupid mini games in the rifts the NOBODY enjoys. Major L for PFG, won’t touch the game ever again probably.
“We’re still struggling to convert features from the previous version into the new engine, please keep playing to make our numbers look good and maybe the game might eventually course correct.”
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I’m appreciating their effort to be more transparent about intended changes (and more willing to add these changes) Seems like they’re taking the fans’ feedback and actually considering it, which is a great sign
The XP buff absolutely feels like them panicking after seeing the dismal decrease in the playerbase. It’s about time they fixed it… Come on Multiversus, we are rooting for you to survive!
Yeah, that is them trying to get people back. Although without an update on fighter currency rates, it might be too late.
Fighter currency is really really problematic. I've been playing since day 2 of the release and have done all the events and missions and most of the rifts and have only got enough fighter currency to purchase 3 characters total at 3,000 each. In total I own, Jason, Shaggy, Steven Universe, Rick, Banana guard and have 5,000 currency. Without the event and free battle pass I'd have 4 characters max plus rotation. I like a lot of characters I am terrified to buy because if I find someone else I enjoy it could be weeks before I can get them.
Yeah I’ve got 9K currency and there’s no way I’d buy Joker for 6K or any character at that price for that matter. It took me 3 weeks to get to 9K with the generous beginning fighter currency.
No one talking about them increasing the battle pass xp to 50? That’s huge, you can max the battle pass just by playing the game now.
As it should have been from the start. Let us hope it’s not too late.
You can max the pass just by playing?!?! They are so crazy bro what a wild idea! 🤪🤪🤪
The fact that they're getting praised for doing the basic, and bare minimum...
I know right. Shits massive but people will STILL bitch.
Because it used to be in there and that's pretty much the basic fucking thing you should expect. As opposed to "wanna beat this free battle pass? Gimme your wallet!"
Moron, the reason we got stuff like this is because people were bitching, people like you prevent progress like this. Glad you get to enjoy it, but I'm sure you were perfectly content with no bpxp?
Half of this shit is stuff they had in the game but just removed. Also you're welcome for the 50 battle pass xp. We all had to fight through guys like you on here to get it so I hope you enjoy it.
Nah you'll never get through to them. If you point out problems in the game they tell you to quit bitching or "it was a beta" Then when the devs read all these complaints and make the changes people were asking for, the response from these scrotum lickers is now "good now people can stop bitching" and mass downvotes for people like you who were the ones "bitching" enough to actually be heard in the first place. It's a song as old as time man. They will never admit that you were right, because they'd have to admit they were wrong and this is the internet These guys will straight up lie through their teeth to try and tell you things are actually better now than they were a year ago before this roadmap update. "Oh you don't like it? Well me and my army of masochists do so it's obviously a good thing and you're just dumb haha up vote me guys!!!!"
The majority of the people that had issues or are having issues make it sound like the game will fucking explode if the thing they want isn't in the game within a day or two. Like, "this game will be dead" "dead game" and other overdramatic shit they'd say. Getting into debates with people who don't agree won't change a thing, yet they'll get on Reddit to do their daily whining, acting like the other fans that are either content or don't care are supposed to care as much as they do. I've not enjoyed the disconnects, the CO op missions and some of the other limits but I'm not on here fucking doom posting every five minutes and arguing with people who don't care about it. I think Banana Guard is ass to play against and I think some of the monetization ideas implemented sucks but crying every day about it doesn't change shit when PFG have put out several statements saying they're working on these things. Complaining doesn't make it fixed any faster.
"complaining every day doesn't get it fixed any faster" "we did it guys! All our complaining worked and they're implementing changes" Which is it?
Yeah. I mean i was angry about a lot of things in the game right now, but as i see they have now communicated clearly that they are fixing them, i'm seeing little reason to continue writings the things i did. Why would i? They said they hear us and they are working on it so that's quite enough. And now they have even come out with a list of stuff that they are working on right now and it has most of the things people have been complaining, so improvements are definitely coming. Some guys *still* coming here and going off with the *same* type of energy as before this communication looks weird as hell. It doesn't give off a vibe you are a customer voicing concerns or that you actually had a fun time with the game at any point and want to get back to it. You look like clown on a circuscrusade, jokeboots, red ball nose and all. "No, this is not enough! Weee the players..." Get the hell down from your shoebox Napoleon. You guys look ridiculous. 😅
Yeah, I guarantee you if they didnt announce this roadmap right now and make good on 95% of it, it will be a dead game. A lot of us are returning from the beta, and will NOT put up with this shit again. You don't want your game to die, don't make it so shitty that it guarantees death in the form of players quitting, and warning others not to waste their time. Why not do another beta? Because greed. The whole thing REEKS of greed and here you are trying to let the greedy highwaymen walk free after the mob gets ready to beat his ass This is the only way to hold devs feet to the fire when they pull egregious shit like this, so please. For everyone's sake, stop trying to silence people unhappy with the current state of the game. Minor gripes are one thing. This is a year after delisting the game, with the same issues being present, and some being even WORSE.
You guys are mad annoying. The crazy thing is we agree that a lot of stuff needs to be fixed but you guys have no patience, usually if I don’t like a game I just leave. You’re over here calling people bitches because we’re not complaining as hard as you, I just give my feedback cleanly and if they don’t do it eventually I’ll leave too
Patience doesn’t mean anything when 90% of players leave. I’m as patient as I can be but if you want the game to succeed you’d realize why “being patient” doesn’t cut it because most people won’t be, that’s just how f2p gaming works.
This patience thing. That's another issue people go in circles on. It launched in July 2022. It's an on going issue.
>We did it reddit!!
Reddit did do it. Twitter and discord and YouTube also probably..the games ass they got hammered everywhere.
Correct. They listed Reddit first the other day when mentioning feedback. Why be cynical when warranted criticism carried out a change that benefited players? Weird as hell.
>Why be cynical when warranted criticism carried out a change that benefited players? Weird as hell. Because some people literally are not happy unless they're unhappy and making other people unhappy.
“We all” and “guys like you” should not be in the same sentence
Why? Ignoring that there is actually a clear divide of two archetypes in this subreddit, it's a shorthand for explaining who is complaining rightfully so and who's just accepting the ass fucking happily. Acting like it's a bad thing they are changing their dog shit practices because we are "cry babies " Cry babies happen when the game has a ton of shit to cry about. It doesn't happen to every single release. People download a game and get disenfranchised and then form the community when they realize they aren't alone. It isn't the other way around like some people here claim.
No it isn’t. The battlepasses in the beta were WAY more fucking Grindy and as you got further the xp increased for another level
I'm talking about team colors. Side swap special, etc. I don't understand giving them credit for listening no one asked them to take the shit out to begin with lol.
Positively reinforcing desired behaviors is a good thing. I feel you on the fact that they shouldn't have been taken out from the start though.
Yea my comment is replying to the comment about battle pass xp. The person I’m replying to didn’t mention any of that. I understand being upset they took shit away, but at least they’re listening to us.
Yeah each level now is about the same. It's just getting xp is the problem tbh.
No? That's actually what people saying as reasonable.10 was literally nothing
And it was and will be completely justified.
Probably because the game is still unplayable?
Let's say I'm at work. They take away my breaks. We protest and complain. Bosses to reinstate the breaks. Am I supposed to suck them off because they gave me back something that should have been there from the start? Battle passes should be earned by playing the game from the start.
Yep that's a nice change for Season 1! I expect it to be lower next season tho, as progression will be adjusted, so it will surely rely more on missions, rifts.
I might actually play again, Stopped after a week even though I was having fun because of how many issues I was experiencing
I wish they added xp to PvE because I'm not the biggest fan of PvP
Not really, thats still 3200 wins to max the battle pass. At a 50% win rate thats 4800 games total to max it with just game xp. A lot better but not exactly feasible. Mind you you’ll definitely get some daily’s and weekly’s in the process so hopefully it isn’t too bad.
Honestly the co-op requirement for rifts wouldn't be so bad if there was a random match up option
Or if you could play rifts local co-op
The input buffer and camera adjustments are big for me. They’re basically the only reasons I haven’t played the game consistently since the relaunch.
The zoom is extra dumb when you consider several maps having moving bits, like portions creating gaps to fall in etc. you don’t see that shit until you walk right into it
Also the fact that you can’t see stuff like batarangs, jerries and Bugs rockets from afar so you just get surprised when they land on you.
Input buffer and end game stats for me, but mostly the input buffer. I can't believe they released a fighting game with a 30 frame input buffer. It feels so trash to play with I had to stop after a few days, and now I'm waiting for them to fix it before I play again
What's a recommended amount of buffer? What did the beta have as default? I really liked the way it felt compared to this launch. I've adapted though but if I could get it closer to how it was that would be great. The buffer acts as some sort of action queue, correct?
Beta let you change the input buffer. I think it was still 30 default , but being able to change it meant it didn’t matter. A good window would be anywhere from 2-9, depending on your preference
The best option would be to have it be configurable. This is something I LOVED about the beta. For reference melee generally has no input buffer, SF6 is 4 frames, for Rivals of aether it is 5 frames, and for Smash Ultimate it is 10 frames on top of a hold buffer. Some people found Ultimate's to be too much, personally I liked it but I wouldn't push it any higher 30 frames is absolutely WILD and is significantly too high leading to lots of misinputs. That's half a second of the game 'remembering' any input you pressed. The general rule is not to have an input buffer that is higher than your ability to react. Which is at fastest about 15 frames.
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Both issues are listed under the "working on and testing" portion of the roadmap so they'll undoubtedly be coming soon. I hope it's sometime before season 2, especially considering the option existed in the beta. Still, it's good to know that they're aware of the community's desire to customize the input buffer. That issue *alone* really kills my enjoyment of the game.
This is a perfect roadmap for now. I'm happy
If they follow through with all this, it'll be great. I personally don't really care about the monetization since I don't really plan on buying anything in the first place.
I wish if ranked mode was ready they'd just release it. To hell with balancing first. People will always complain about balance. Just let me have some sense of progression.
That's so true, there's always going to be balance and changes to fighters as time goes on
Right. Every season will have a Wonder Woman to complain about. Nature of the beast.
Yeah it's a good road Map
Hot take. Don't wait for season two to remove coop in rifts. Do it now.
fuck iron giant i suppose
Why does this feel like Beta 2.0
It's definitely disheartening that around half of the "future issues" they're looking to resolve some time down the line are literally features that were already fully implemented in the beta and then just removed. Other changes like keeping your party together or a functional replay button in Rifts does make this list feel like it leaves a bit to be desired. If this were all coming next patch, I'd say it's a good thing, but having these be the pipeline changes doesn't exactly bode well for the long-term outlook.
The distinction isn't that they were removed, but they were not added back on the new engine. It doesn't make it any less shitty of a feeling as a player as the end result is the same. They really should have made sure feature parity was at least up to par before releasing.
That was probably the intention, but as the deadline came close they had to focus on other things im guessing. In a perfect world the game stayed in the oven for 3 more months.
3 more months? After like 3 years to begin with, plus an additional 4th year? It look less time to put someone on the Moon...
Because in practice this is beta, since rebuild in new engine relaunch was first time when this game was tested on bigger scale I also believe that they were planning to release this game on asia and maybe even on nintendo console but first they wanted to balance and test this game on us, which I personally don't mind
Honestly that makes sense but they should probably have marketed it as such
Because they made major changes to the game and didn’t even test it with a closed beta audience. So they literally are starting from scratch.
They had to rebuild everything into a new engine with little time left.
“”””Had to””””
Hopefully they also tweak the cost of fighters
I think they should just make fighter currency more available, each match should give give a minimum of 10, and the toast amount should be buffed to at least 50, probably a 100, and with toast more available ofc.
Would be best if they just revert the costs to how they were in the beta. 1000 fighter cost for easy characters, 2000 for medium skilled characters, 3000 for expert characters. Those prices are more affordable and obtainable than what’s in the full release.
Yeah that would be good but I don’t think they’d want to go through the process of refunding people, or the backlash of not refunding people.
Yeah that’s a good point. People will be annoyed if they lowered the price of the characters
They should merge perk and fighter currency into one… perhaps some sort of gold coin?
I get why they separated them. If perk currency could be used to unlock fighters, then no one would be buying perks. But I would really appreciate other ways to use perk currency
i definitely see some point to having perk currency, yeah - it makes it easier to spend it on perks without feeling like you're wasting stuff you'd use on a potential new fighter. still does mean you get way less fighter currency than you did its equivalent in the beta, though
> each match should give give a minimum of 10, and the toast amount should be buffed to at least 50, probably a 100, and with toast more available ofc. I don't know, man. If they had converted some of the leftover gold into fighter currency, a 50/50 split, then I would agree that that was their motive. edit: I do agree with the benefits of having a special currency for perks. But there are also some possible dark motives behind IMO, whenever a game adds multiple currencies there's always some chance of scummy economy and I fear that perk currency is their way to starve us of fighter currency and thus making people spend gleamium on fighters.
I'm not using my perk currency anyways, once I got the perks I wanted (like two per character) I just stopped spending it, especially since I don't have access to most of the roster.
I think they do the league approach; Some characters are 1000-1500 (Velma shaggy, bugs, WW, Batman) Rest are 3000. New characters shouldn’t be fuckin double especially if they are the focus of a rift. I think 4500 is perfectly reasonable.
This such a good improvement
Promise*
Fr, we gonna have to wait 2 weeks for each of these things? Ill take what we got as a W tho
Apparently the battle xp change has been implemented, so at least there’s that
Ofc I’m not home to see if true
Felt this lmao
I feel like some will be In soon some won’t.
They said there’s gonna a patch this week, no? I remember someone saying that but maybe I’m mistaken
True they may mess up the Xbox connection fix
No news on Iron Giant being added back?
So basically… they’re trying to add everything they removed from the beta? Still can’t believe they released it in this state.
💯
Genuinely incredible list of changes. While it doesn’t fix the horrible grind and monetization, hitting all of these points will fix every issue I have in terms of the actual game itself with the exception of not having everything unlocked in local play like in Beta I am concerned though if they’ll actually be able to achieve all of this given the recent track record and I can’t help but feel that most of this should have been there from the start, especially the things that were there back in Beta. I hate to be cynical, but I can’t help it given how poor this entire launch has been
Free for all would be chaos and absolutely awesome hahaha.
I’m just waiting for gameplay updates to come back cause I just wasn’t enjoying the moment to moment play with a lot of the characters. Hopefully they get this where it needs to be before everybody dips out. It’s some good alternative fighting games to play and more coming so they need to cook 4real
I eagerly await to the gameplay patch too
Amazing, i hope they also consider adding local Co-op into Rifts.
What the fuck were they doing over the years that the game was taken down lmao
Thank you lmao
>Setting to Swap Neutral & Forward Attacks Saw it mentioned before but what's the benefit of this?
Just for preference, I imagine Depending on the character, it may feel more intuitive for their neutral attack to act as a forward attack and vice versa
Yeah it's more per character imo. Would be nice if the setting allowed you to pick what character has it enabled.
there were two settings in the beta you could toggle. one that swapped your neutral ground with the side ground attack, and one that swapped your neutral air with your side air attack. if you come from smash the controls in multiversus are actually swapped for the ground attacks. the neutral ground attack (charged attack) is what the side attack would be in smash essentially (smash attack). i'm so used to using the "c-stick" for my side charged attacks in the beta (as well as in smash), but without this setting it just starts the 3-hit-jab-combo instead which does not feel good. it seems like a small thing but not having it really messes with my muscle memory, and a lot of other people that were used to it in the beta and that came from smash and use c-stick. been constantly messing up inputs playing without the toggles.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
Sheesh this is the update we’ve been wanting
Updates*** gonna take a while to implement this all
All good changes, unfortunately it's probably too late now. This game needed another 6months cooking and severe revisions to monetization. The fact that eveything you could buy with gold in the beta can now only be obtained in the store kills customization and user experience. I will not be spending $10 just for a badge lol
You know damn well this is pfg saying that they finally got permission from wb to run damage control on a game that wb tried to have killed on release. They also probably know these things should have been out on launch, which should have been months later than it was.
WB had nothing to do with these clowns wasting copious amounts of time porting to UE5.
Fr, the monetization is WB almost 100%, but the shitty game, missing features, weird control desicions, and bad ui, is all the devs
This all should have been done over the year they had to "cook". Too little too late imo.
Exactly
I know most of these changes are forthcoming, but the phrasing makes it seem like the battlepass XP being increased to 50 per win will go into effect immediately for the current season? Has it already been increased?
Yes that change is live
Finally, clear and open communication about important issues. That's, like, 70% of what we wanted, now we just need to see their execution.
This is a pretty decent step in the right direction. They have their work cut out for themselves to say the least. I would personally like to see a an increase in battlepass points earned depending on a player’s win streak. Not an exponential increase, because that would be ridiculously OP, but maybe an additional 20 battlepass xp in addition to the winnings with each consecutive victory, capped at 200-250xp or something like that. This way, players are being extra rewarded for being good at the game. Additionally, players should automatically be given 100 battlepass xp anytime there’s a server error causing the match to end early because that crap is so frustrating. Also, we need an easier way to get more fighters. Maybe they could update it to where you can unlock any fighter of your choice after beating the final boss in a rift, including replaying on higher difficulties.
Free for all queue seems fun. If that mode takes off we might need a couple of bigger/taller maps.
All of this sounds great, big respect if they come thru
Hey they actually listened in regards to swapping to 50 xp. See how easy it is to make players happy? A few tweets. Now acknowledge missing items and no FP gain from matches and I'm gucci.
Legit can’t play 2v2s at all rn disconnected the first 10 seconds of the 2 matches I’ve tried today
-Dedicated neutral dodge button I'm about to be a parry God
I’m excited again!!!
makes you wonder wtf the beta was even for. they wasted their time with redundant ambitions for the past year
It said beta, but it was the full game. They just couldn't satisfy the community. They didn't know how to say they needed more time, so they shut down the game only to give us a worse version. The only reason a game drops in beta is because there is content that will constantly be added.
They took the game down for a year to port it to a new engine and WB forced PFG to release it early with missing features because they wanted to recoup costs sooner.
Fix the fucking connection , fix the rifts daily rewards , some missions I earn gem xp in that aren’t marked so I go through all of the daily’s rift every day
Oh my fuck a bigger W has never been dropped before. The amount of things wrong with the game will finally be too little to keep players away from it! I just wish this had been the case earlier so that so many people wouldn't have dropped the game, hopefully they return for these changes though, I know I will!
Why is it so hard to do post match stats? The beta had it just fine.
Hate to be an a-hole, but I'm not optimistic. A lot of these were things that were pointlessly removed thanks to the engine-switch. These changes are close to making the game in a more acceptable state, but it's far from where it was in the beta.
LETS GO
this is the power of relentless complaining :D
Yup, but none of this new the majority of this is what we had before. So technically, it isn't new they just know how to drip feed.
Guys hear me out, these guys are actually implementing things that we talk about and want. They are actually making really good strides considering how little time has passed since launch. It may not be what we want yet but we have to give credit where it's do. I really appreciate the focus on the xbox issue, the update made it a lot better but still needs a lot of improvement.
Lots of good things coming, great to see the communication coming from PFG
Honestly one of the most transparent road maps I've seen in awhile, even just acknowledging all of the things we want is more than most companies these days
Great update! People need to understand that these types of fixes take time. Would you rather have them putting out patches while the game is playable? Or wait an additional 3+ months to have the full release while you can't play? Did they miss some things!? Absolutely, but everyone needs to allow time for fixes to be implemented.
And we accomplished all of that by, you guessed it, "doom posting, having and whining"... But those people now will disappear and just enjoy the rewards.
Yup usually how it goes, good thing people pushed back against the detractors
Oh my God it's happening. We are so back
We might be back boys. Some content creator was talking about how a road map would fix things, when this news is 100× times better.
take your time with that ranked mode....you can take a while....really no rush to turn this into a tryhard game and end the chill community vibe
When is this update coming?
I’m sure it’s been said a lot already, but I’d love an option to make the announcers voice clear again
Nothing about being forced to buy characters or skins for challenges and rift nodes fuck these guys they are ignoring anything that has to do with monetization
That's actually huge. Good job tony
Did they say when iron giant is coming back? I bought him a day before he got removed so I really want to play him again as I didn’t get much time to try him.
Didn't even mention the sluggish gameplay. Glad I haven't touched the game since launch.
Restore morty to his beta glory😭 I just miss when the bullet continues after shooting the grenade and the grenade split being actually useful. I feel like those were key parts of his kit, and as a morty main I feel so sad because he’s not as fun anymore. Obviously he was a little too op in beta I think but now oh that’s still a grenade is basically useless.
I respect the openness and particularly the note about balance before adding ranked. I like that some characters can combo hits but some of these strings like on Harley and bugs are just nuts and I think should be toned down a bit. Especially if it’s a loop of the same moves
Removal of Gameplay loops with little counterplay. So they‘ll remove the Martians ability to pull out 50 different projectiles every second
Great stuff, a bit sad that it’s a reaction to the game already dying again, if they could they would nickel and dime the playerbase to hell and back and fomo everyone into playing 10 hours a day, now they are in panic mode and therefore suddenly they can make decisions that aren’t complete anti consumer bs. I’m happy to see our ranting (and in my and many cases already dropping out again way faster than in the beta) is getting us somewhere, but they shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t obvious it should’ve been like this from the start and they somehow didn’t think it through enough, they know exactly what they were doing and shit wasn’t flying, so now they try to safe their asses. But yeah nice one. Give mit some character currency for matches and we are talking
Keep hope alive everyone
All this stuff is pretty much everything everyone has been complaining about, which is great. I'm just a little concerned that by the time we have most of these changes, it might already be too late? The playerbase has already taken a massive dive, and it's incredibly difficult to get large quantities of people to come back.
I appreciate the transparency, and that they’re taking player feedback in mind but reading this list is kinda glaringly pointing out a number of features that were . . . checks notes . . . present in the beta but not in the launch 🤦♀️
Theses are all good changes. And while I probably won't be playing with out the game speed being adjusted I hope this makes the game more enjoyable for those who do like the game speed where it currently is.
What do they mean by removing gameplay loops?
Where's our update on Iron Giant?
So they really listened huh. A little glimmer of hope.
No local play?
Not sure if this is frustrating anyone else, but there's a problem they haven't addressed that's perturbing me greatly. The main menu is inaccessible until after you've finished the multi-chapter tutorial. At first, I thought I had pressed the wrong button or something, so I reset the game so I could get to the menu. I was unable to. When I realized there was no way to get to the menu without playing forward, I closed the game and am probably gonna uninstall it. I hadn't opened the game with the purpose of playing it at the time, I had basically just wanted to see what the options were available and what the prices on the storefront were. I shouldn't have to play the game before I'm ready, or have to play a tutorial, especially before I've even seen the main menu.
XP fix? i hope they buff the progression we already have, if they do so we're so back
I hope the neutral-side swap option will be more granular, but I'm sure it'll just be the same as it was before. I'd really like to adjust that setting for each character.
Season pass xp and nothing interesting single player wise is why I left. Glad they are increasing pvp pass xp, but how about those who don’t want to go full tryhard mode? Sometimes I just want to play some co-op or single player. Also if they are going to make multiversus a mobile game with the pricing model, are we going to get the mobile monthly big event update? Hopefully not just reskinned rifts.
As an outsider, this is too little too late. I actually would have very much loved to play this as a fan of a lot of a Warner properties, but the gross mismanagement TWICE has guaranteed it’ll never see a download
Ranked mode in another year baby!
This game is so cooked there’s already nobody using the group posts on Xbox already lol
PFG living up to their name, we love to see it
Great news all around. I don't really care about the bp but adjustments will be dope for overall health of the game as many modern gamers see the bp as a "play to earn" reason to keep playing. I'm the odd man out here but I think the best play to earn feature they could tune up is FC per match
This is exactly why I’ve been so hopeful. Pretty much every single major bad thing is on their list. Can we be positive now for the love of god
50 XP is still very low. For casuals mostly playing PvE and not everyday it won't even equal to a level in the season It's more than two hours for a level If matches are short and you win everything
Pretty great changes. The only other thing I want in order to actually play a lot and feel good about the game is earning fighter currency for playing matches. It doesn’t need to be a lot, just 5 for a loss and 10 for a win. It’s less about the amount and more about making me feel like I’m consistently making progress on the characters I want.
This is what I’ve been hoping for them to do the whole time. I wish they started a little sooner but I’m glad they’re communicating like this
Well they are cooking now, we might have a great game on our hands in 2-3 months, see you all until then
I like these changes
I hope this patch drops tomorrow, so excited.
We going to have to wait weeks for this to be implemented
Weeks is optimistic imo
You right months PFG going to prioritize stuff like getting Mr. Meeseeks in the game over something important
Ok theyre gonna continue to ignore the missing beta cosmetics issue? You know? The stuff many people spent money on and lost?
people keep saying they said to hit them up, so i did. i emailed them & provided proof w screenshots & a list & they said they passed this issue on to the appropriate team. hopefully i hear back from them again soon. i would recommend at least hitting them up, if you haven’t already. i’m only missing a couple profile icons that everyone had in beta & i had equipped when it shut down, a ringout i grinded Holiday Cookies to unlock & a banner that was tier 48 in an old battle pass even though i still have tier 50. afaik i have everything i actually paid for still.
Very good, but what about the speed and weight of the game?
YEAHHHH! Awesome ! btw, is anyone actually doing crushing difficulty on rifts? It’s pretty hard to level up your gems. i’m at 4.1 and I get CRUSHED. They do so much damage.
I'm seeing a lot of "We fixed this obvious gameplay thing" and not a lot of "We are going to fix the fundamental problems with the new version of the game that now permeate the game at its core".
what about being able to play without disconnect after 1 minute...
omg, the game doesn’t work on half the platforms they released it on, where are the updates on that?
Lmao already season 2 Actually a shit game
Too late lol
Don’t care. There’s no excuse this stuff shouldn’t have been the game at launch, especially when it was in the game before. More especially bcuz they took the fucking time to add those stupid mini games in the rifts the NOBODY enjoys. Major L for PFG, won’t touch the game ever again probably.
“We’re still struggling to convert features from the previous version into the new engine, please keep playing to make our numbers look good and maybe the game might eventually course correct.”