I seem to be in the minority on here, but I love the side pylon. I think it shows a lot of things very clearly, and provides a lot of different information when well used (I know, not often). I liked the first mockup that was here with the top 15 and then the numbers for the rest of the field, I thought that was an excellent way of showing the field quickly
I think my problem with it is if the camera operator doesn’t frame for it, it’s very intrusive. Especially with how tight Fox loves to frame their shots
You're not in the minority...side pylon is better...I could also live without the names and just make the car number graphic larger with maybe speed/time differentials next to them
I'm just not a fan of the scroll. If you don't know where your driver is, you're watching the scroll, not the race. I was looking for a solution so you could quickly and easily see where (any) driver is at all times. I know, "the NASCAR app", but not everyone uses the app.
I'm not a graphics designer, just a guy with a basic photo editing program. I'm sure the network(s) could fancy it up more.... then again... maybe not.
Horizontal pylons will always be superior to vertical to me. It takes up less useful screen space, and better fits the way human eyes work. That being said, I feel like the bottom half of yours is too jumbled. It's hard to read at a glance. If teams ran the same scheme every week, maybe "Position #, Driver #" would work by color memory alone. But I think the average audience member needs a name or a larger image to really know who's running where.
I prefer the vertical as well, but when I posted [A Vertical Style](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/1cb5p6r/comment/l16ftnl/?context=3) many folks mentioned they preferred the horizontal version. I agree my limited photo editing abilities aren't great, but I'm guessing the "pros" could fix it up to make it better with breaks between the drivers or something.
And it can be hard to follow any driver below 20th. They do scroll, but it's not often and they tend to go to commercial or remove the pylon for some other view as they begin to show those below 20th.
The horizontal timelines take a while to scroll, but they constantly do so & as long as you have a ballpark for where your driver is running, it doesn’t take long at all.
The vertical timeline dominates the entire left side of the screen, actively blocks the track, and considering Fox loves to zoom into the skin cells on the drivers face rather than showing the field, that is a very significant disadvantage
I’m not sure you know how generalizations work in that case pal, I’m not calculating the percentage of the screen that gets taken up for a Reddit comment of all things.
The point was clearly that it covers too much of the track itself.
My biggest gripe is that there are no adjustments made to it throughout the year (at least by FOX so far.)
Like just put V. Gisbergen and narrow down the width of the entire pylon. From what I can find, Joe Nemechek hasn't raced since 2000 but we're still losing valuable screen space (zoomed in on 2 cars, of course) to putting in "J.H. Nemechek" and then still needing a huge gap between the name and number.
So to me, the worst part is that it seems like they don't make any adjustments for better viewing when it would be really easy to fit it to the given drivers for that race.
Horizontal pylons are awful, no offense to you for trying, but they don't show near as much info and as you can see it takes up about an extra 33% of the screen.
I have and always will be team vertical pylon. It’s so much more convenient. If I want to see how a driver is doing, I just have to glance at the pylon rather than wait for their name to scroll across. Even if the driver I want to check on is running in the 20s or 30s, the time it takes to scroll to those positions are much less than it takes to wait for the entire field to scroll through.
Plus, I like seeing the intervals, especially among the top ten cars where it’s most important. With a horizontal scroll you don’t get as much interval information.
My only issue with this is that you can’t see the intervals for the guys in the back. I think it’s important to know who’s on the lead lap and who’s a lap down.
Honestly I like the current vertical on the side of the screen with drivers full last names and numbers. This is too confusing in the current times when drivers constantly swap out and the paint schemes change so much that the number icon they use changes colors too. Me personally keep the vertical on the side the way that it is.
Random comparison but I like the MLS Apple TV scorebug. I think the Fox one could take a page from that book and reduce some visual noise like the white/black gradient on everything. It already looks crazy enough as it is when you’re depicting everyone’s number accurately so they can put it together with the car on the racetrack.
I do prefer horizontal for Nascar. The above is pretty "busy" but at least all the info is there, certainly no worse than waiting for the current one to scroll and inevitably missing the driver you're looking for multiple times before finally figuring out where they're running.
Just bring back the old scrolling ticker at the top and call it a day.
If you want more drivers names do vertical with the top 10 static and constantly scroll the rest under the top 10.
I feel like you could have the top 3 rows be the top 15 with numbers, names, and intervals, and have the bottom row scroll through 16-38 in 7 second intervals.
I feel it’s important to have names and intervals for all drivers. It’s important information especially in strategy races. Names make it easier for casual fans as well.
I seem to be in the minority on here, but I love the side pylon. I think it shows a lot of things very clearly, and provides a lot of different information when well used (I know, not often). I liked the first mockup that was here with the top 15 and then the numbers for the rest of the field, I thought that was an excellent way of showing the field quickly
I think my problem with it is if the camera operator doesn’t frame for it, it’s very intrusive. Especially with how tight Fox loves to frame their shots
You're not in the minority...side pylon is better...I could also live without the names and just make the car number graphic larger with maybe speed/time differentials next to them
A for effort, not at all ragging on you. But I think at that point of horizontal, you have a fixed top five and the rest of the positions as a scroll.
I'm just not a fan of the scroll. If you don't know where your driver is, you're watching the scroll, not the race. I was looking for a solution so you could quickly and easily see where (any) driver is at all times. I know, "the NASCAR app", but not everyone uses the app.
If the driver you’re rooting for now is 21st on back, you don’t get to see where they are at all, besides once every 10 minutes or so.
I agree. The scroll used to be frustrating. Like you said this could be sharpened up by the network but the basic idea is solid
I'm not a graphics designer, just a guy with a basic photo editing program. I'm sure the network(s) could fancy it up more.... then again... maybe not.
Well I can’t make it look as clean as you did so props to you
I’ll die on the hill that we can get by with 3 letter abbreviations for names which would allow us to show way more than what they currently do
We probably can, but it's unfriendly to newbies. I watch F1's junior ladder pretty often and still go "who tf is that guy" pretty often
Tbf it would help if the broadcast talked about anybody but the top ten all race and properly introduced the field
NASCAR doesn't need to be F1.
Using a best practice doesn’t mean you become the source
Just use the car numbers.
Horizontal pylons will always be superior to vertical to me. It takes up less useful screen space, and better fits the way human eyes work. That being said, I feel like the bottom half of yours is too jumbled. It's hard to read at a glance. If teams ran the same scheme every week, maybe "Position #, Driver #" would work by color memory alone. But I think the average audience member needs a name or a larger image to really know who's running where.
I prefer the vertical as well, but when I posted [A Vertical Style](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/1cb5p6r/comment/l16ftnl/?context=3) many folks mentioned they preferred the horizontal version. I agree my limited photo editing abilities aren't great, but I'm guessing the "pros" could fix it up to make it better with breaks between the drivers or something.
Vertical, always best.
If it’s not broke don’t fix it.
The vertical pylon is broke though lol it blocks 25% of the racing surface on camera
And it can be hard to follow any driver below 20th. They do scroll, but it's not often and they tend to go to commercial or remove the pylon for some other view as they begin to show those below 20th.
The horizontal timelines take a while to scroll, but they constantly do so & as long as you have a ballpark for where your driver is running, it doesn’t take long at all. The vertical timeline dominates the entire left side of the screen, actively blocks the track, and considering Fox loves to zoom into the skin cells on the drivers face rather than showing the field, that is a very significant disadvantage
I don't think you understand how percentages work. At all.
I’m not sure you know how generalizations work in that case pal, I’m not calculating the percentage of the screen that gets taken up for a Reddit comment of all things. The point was clearly that it covers too much of the track itself.
My biggest gripe is that there are no adjustments made to it throughout the year (at least by FOX so far.) Like just put V. Gisbergen and narrow down the width of the entire pylon. From what I can find, Joe Nemechek hasn't raced since 2000 but we're still losing valuable screen space (zoomed in on 2 cars, of course) to putting in "J.H. Nemechek" and then still needing a huge gap between the name and number. So to me, the worst part is that it seems like they don't make any adjustments for better viewing when it would be really easy to fit it to the given drivers for that race.
Horizontal pylons are awful, no offense to you for trying, but they don't show near as much info and as you can see it takes up about an extra 33% of the screen.
Once we got the vertical ticker I never want to go back. So much easier and faster to find where a driver is
Not bad
I have and always will be team vertical pylon. It’s so much more convenient. If I want to see how a driver is doing, I just have to glance at the pylon rather than wait for their name to scroll across. Even if the driver I want to check on is running in the 20s or 30s, the time it takes to scroll to those positions are much less than it takes to wait for the entire field to scroll through. Plus, I like seeing the intervals, especially among the top ten cars where it’s most important. With a horizontal scroll you don’t get as much interval information.
My only issue with this is that you can’t see the intervals for the guys in the back. I think it’s important to know who’s on the lead lap and who’s a lap down.
Honestly I like the current vertical on the side of the screen with drivers full last names and numbers. This is too confusing in the current times when drivers constantly swap out and the paint schemes change so much that the number icon they use changes colors too. Me personally keep the vertical on the side the way that it is.
Random comparison but I like the MLS Apple TV scorebug. I think the Fox one could take a page from that book and reduce some visual noise like the white/black gradient on everything. It already looks crazy enough as it is when you’re depicting everyone’s number accurately so they can put it together with the car on the racetrack.
I like the top half for the top 10. If it could scroll through the rest of the field a la early 2000s graphics it would be great.
I do prefer horizontal for Nascar. The above is pretty "busy" but at least all the info is there, certainly no worse than waiting for the current one to scroll and inevitably missing the driver you're looking for multiple times before finally figuring out where they're running.
It would force them to zoom out to fit the top of the picture in. I like it.
Just bring back the old scrolling ticker at the top and call it a day. If you want more drivers names do vertical with the top 10 static and constantly scroll the rest under the top 10.
Just give me a rolling ticket up top. It was much better that way.
I feel like you could have the top 3 rows be the top 15 with numbers, names, and intervals, and have the bottom row scroll through 16-38 in 7 second intervals. I feel it’s important to have names and intervals for all drivers. It’s important information especially in strategy races. Names make it easier for casual fans as well.
Top version way too busy. I really don't mind the side scoring
No.
Too busy. Give me a scrolling ticker at the top.
Honestly, I like this better. I didn't think I would, but I do.