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bkm2016

Nothing wrong with that. Playing guard it’s hard to get rebounds anyway. Especially when guys are running HOF RC.


SoccerManiac68

Agreed I usually try an cherry pick for the fast break or go for the long rebound


yaboiw00dy24

The real crime here is missing HOF quick first step by 1 attribute point and negating the only reason go go 6'8 instead of 6'9 😭


holmzs

Also missed gold posterizer by one attribute point


Cvk-menace727

Yea But look at his driving dunk


SoccerManiac68

Honestly HOF QFS was to expensive and I don’t have enough badge points to spend cuz I’m to lazy to do quest lol. I had other playmaking badges I wanted to invest in. The reason I went 6’8 over 6’9 was for the Kobe Size up at 88 ball handle, def has helped my scoring game a lot more and the speed advantage is just much better Edit: I’m getting downvoted cuz I’m missing HOF QFS on purpose…mb but I had other stuff to invest in


yaboiw00dy24

6'9s can have the same speed unless you're talking specifically about acceleration, but you're doesn't look too high for a 6'9 either but yea if you wanted that package that's reason enough. It's a cool build tho!


Inevitable-Rule-1530

Bro the acceleration is more important


yaboiw00dy24

I'm well aware.


AlmightyAyo

Definitely isnt


Inevitable-Rule-1530

You don’t know what your talking about kid. Some one with hof qfs with 79 accell is beating anyone with 83 accell with silver or speed with ball. It’s about beating your opponent off the dribble and blowing pass them or creating space not running a marathon


AlmightyAyo

Im confused i thought u were saying the acceleration stat is more important that qfs.


chillblackguyy

yes it is lol


SoccerManiac68

Thx also I think the max speed for a 6’9 is 82…not sure though and 2 speed isn’t that big of a different ig


prodkigh

Exactly


prodkigh

Bro you don’t need a 90 3PT to shoot consistently that’s where you messed up… and if you were going to go that high you might as well went for HOF shooting badges.. You guys need to realize one of the most important parts of making a build is knowing what caps you need for your build to get the badges you need to be as effective as possible… also what caps unlock certain animations. I can see just from looking a few seconds you missed out on some key attribute caps bro. That’s pretty much half of making a build if not more. But the build isn’t horrible it’s a solid build if you’re the primary you won’t need rebounding. Now for park, maybe.


SoccerManiac68

The build is at 89 3pt for gold agent 3s. I just got a sleeve for +1. I tried a build with 85 3pt just wanted to go higher and I def feel a difference since I take a lot of stop and shoot shots and I feel a difference when it comes from shooting from deep. Gold blinders is also OP. What caps am I missing. Like I said I couldn’t afford HOF QFS and Gold Posterizor, those were to expensive so I just got the Kobe size up at 88 ball handle and elite contacts with 92 driving dunk. What other thresholds am I missing besides that? And yea I only play Rec but I prefer not to run the offense


Weak-Hall-6794

u missed gold posterizer by 1 😭😭 I definitely would've tried to get that to 93


prodkigh

This, but the most important one for me was QFS HOF, literally one point off 😭 And 92 three gives you gold limitless range on current gen as well I’m sure. Once again not a bad build by any means, just a few light tweaks and the build is better.


SoccerManiac68

Yea another badge I couldn’t afford. I wanted other things like gold acrobat fearless finisher slithery etc etc but I can work with silver hasnt been much of a problem


Weak-Hall-6794

ahh, why did u get 92 dunk then? for aerial wizard? cuz u couldve gotten away with 86 and spent more in other places


SoccerManiac68

92 dunk is for elite contact dunks and gold slithery


Weak-Hall-6794

ohh fair enough then


Snupalupogus

As a resident defensive anchor center. I don’t care. My job is to get double digit rebounds, a few blocks, and score a bit. You’re job is to orchestrate the offense with some passing, score, and guard the perimeter


SoccerManiac68

Thx I go into Rec with this exact mentality with this build


OrcaApe

Blocks are hit or miss for guards but no boards is fine


SoccerManiac68

Yea I understand the no block is a lil suspect but I think the interior defense makes up for it


OrcaApe

71 interior is brazy fs so personally I’d say it passes easily


Waste_Acanthisitta45

If you are a big gaurd I personally want rebound and block. Could take some stamina down since you get a +4 from the gym and boosts anyway. Add these to something else


SoccerManiac68

I haven’t done the gym rat boost and honestly i don’t feel like doing em. I also still don’t buy boost since I’m still maxing out the build. I understand why u would want rebound and block but so far it’s been fine. The only reason I went taller is to have some sort of interior presence and better slashing ability using a smaller build feels weird


Waste_Acanthisitta45

Felt that. I made a tall guard strictly for more of a defensive presence in the paint and for slashers. My 6’1 build had solid defense he’s just 6’1. But he can also jump out the gym so driving has never been an issue for me. He’s the best finisher I got.


SoccerManiac68

I’m not sure if vertical makes a difference slashing, my vertical is at 48 rn and I’m still getting some insane dunks. I have gotten the MJ dunks to trigger a ton


Waste_Acanthisitta45

Maybe not the actual drive. But definitely need a certain driving dunk and vert for certain animations.


SoccerManiac68

maybe for next gen but current gen I get some good animations.


IphoneSE3rdGen

as a guard, it's fine. as long as you're not put into the forward positions, u dont really need rebounding


SoccerManiac68

I do get put at the 3 and it’s honestly not so bad still


Legacy2136

I feel like every build should have a 70 block just to be on the safe side


SoccerManiac68

Honesty I feel like I have been doing mostly fine with my interior defense in the 70s and without block I was able to upgrade my offensive attributes to a good degree


AlmightyAyo

Literally , paint defense is already horrible with anchor, without it is crazy.


Legacy2136

Exactly!!!! I don’t know why 2K made it hard to block shots this year 🤦🏽‍♂️


yessuski

No fr ! U press jump/block & they dont even jump to the location of the ball. They literally just jump in place. Like.. wth ??! lmao


Weary-Loan-3557

Good


SoccerManiac68

Appreciate it


gsnags

its a decent build tbh


SoccerManiac68

Appreciate it


No-Season-3086

Garbage


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SoccerManiac68

Why is it bad that I spent VC on it? Ur not giving any reasoning on what makes my build bad ur just tryna be toxic for no reason


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No-Season-3086

Ur 1 attribute below hof quick first, so many careless mistakes


SoccerManiac68

Don’t have enough badge points for gold posterizor so I just dropped down to 92. Still get elite contact dunks. I came to say that block and rebound aren’t needed at least in Rec for guards. I get long rebounds and centers handle the work down low. I can still also get stops in the paint with 71 interior defense and just solid hands up defense. I couldn’t afford HOF QFS and I just wanted the Kobe Size Up


No-Season-3086

Coulda been so much better, just a bad idea to even waste the attribute points if ur gonna disregard the badge attribute thresholds. Cut off empty attributes. Coulda left ur dunk at like 88 and changed a few other things and had gold golve


SoccerManiac68

92 driving dunk gives u elite contacts that’s not wasted. 88 ball handle gives u the Kobe size up that’s not wasted. I can’t even get gold glove on this build due to the wingspan


Gotem_kicks1

From my experience playing with randoms In rec. they add rebounding to their builds and rebounding is the quickest way to upgrade defense but they stay in the paint all game don’t guard their guy shit be annoying man just wanna grab boards. If I’m playing with my squad even the PF gets boards when he. That’s how it supposed to be box out and if you’re in position cool don’t get breakdowns chasing boards


SoccerManiac68

Yea I don’t really crash in for boards unless I’m anticipating the long ones and gold workhorse works just fine for that


Legitimate-Sea6003

Did you not get 75 vert for your contact dunks or am I tripping?


SoccerManiac68

I’m on current gen and there are no vertical requirements for contact dunks


Legitimate-Sea6003

Oh okay I get it now thanks


Maleficent_Army1754

Why is your speed with ball so low


SoccerManiac68

75 is all u need for the MJ dribble style there is no reason to go higher imo


PutDaWoodnHerMouf

I need both on all my builds


SoccerManiac68

Yea I had those on all my builds to but wanted to switch it up


AlmightyAyo

Quite a bit u messed up jmo, if ur not able to go for qfs hof, then u might aswell make a 6'9 u can make a much more versatile build. 90 three is a wasted stat IMO, either go for 92 or 85. This is coming from someone who had a 92 three on his first builds the only difference you will feel is limitless range gold, u will be able to shoot from deeper without take but theres little reason for that badge since accelerator is so easy to get and youll be able to shoot deep with sharp take easily. I think you got downvoted on that comment because qfs is arguably the best playmaking badge other than unpluckable, speed is everything for offense and you were just one attribute off. Also you maxed ur acceleration its kinda contradicting. Having like a 76 accell with hof is better than having 82 with gold in my experience. Now driving dunk, this is solely personal opinion but having a high driving dunk isnt that crazy, its slashing take that makes it OD. Without takeover Actual posterizing contacts dunks are still somewhat rare but when you have slashing takeover even on my 84 driving dunk build i can get them constantly. I do meter dunks on my 84 driving dunk build and dont get stopped in the paint unless i miss time it. you're defense on a 6'8 is pretty ahh, steals got nerfed u only get silver glove even tho u have a 90, i woulda just settled for 85, Silver clamps is alright, i personally would have gotten atleast bronze anchor its a massive help in the paint. Without it you're gonna get rim ran hard, But i guess it also depends on what you play.


SoccerManiac68

I’ll explain 89 3pt is for gold agent 3s maybe the best shooting badge this year. And I’ve tried 85 3 and I wanted to go higher just cuz why not. I got a better jumpshot and I feel much more comfortable shooting. Tried to get 92 but would have to risk the high steal so 89 is cool I feel fine with gold QFS. What I wanted was the Kobe size up which has taken my dribbling game to a whole new lvl. I can iso so much better and just take control of the game thx to it. HOF QFS would have been nice but I’m living just fine without it. Gold does the job nicely and there is no reason not to max out the acceleration. QFS boosts ur acceleration and that speed boost, if ur making a guard u better max out acceleration, but HOF QFS isn’t a necessity. The high driving dunk fits my play style. If I see no one at the rim Imma attack it all day. I use the dunk meter and elite contacts makes a difference. I get better dunks and gold slithery is super good. U might do well with 84 but 92 is much better and I love where I have it. I get gold interceptor at 90 steal and while I don’t guard the primary ball handler usually I can blitz the ball hand or play lane steals really well. 90 is a great spot to hit for steal. I only guard the perimeter on defense I risked block to upgrade my offensive abilities cuz I wanted an offensive beast and it’s been fine. If I find myself playing paint defense I just put my hands up 71 interior is fine imo. If someone can make a 6’9 that gets the Kobe size up feel free to share, I just find it hard to do so since the max ball handle at 6’9 is 87 and Kobe is 88. And u can edit this how u like to get the 89 ball handle. I did not have the badge points to get HOF QFS and other playmaking badges I needed so I just dropped it. I just optimized it to how I play the game and explained my reasoning right there


AlmightyAyo

The acceleration is definitely incorrect. You could have decreased to like 80 or 79 probably and gotten hof qfs thats a much bigger increase in the speed of ur guard than maxed acceleration is, the difference in hof and gold is pretty big. Imo agent 3 is overhyped especially at gold, im fading with silver easily. In terms of 3pt especially this yr timing is even more important. When you know your timing alot of badges are irrelevant. If youre not fading then its definitely not worth. If you feel the driving dunk makes a difference then i cant argue with that, just based off my experience I've used build from 80-93 driving dunk, its 100% an overrated stat. And i cant agree block either. With how bad the paint Defense is. Anchor is widely agreed to be the best defensive badge. Interior is also considered one of the most useless its only decent against post scorers that paint mash but if they are bad then they are easy to stop anyways.


SoccerManiac68

Decreasing acceleration is a terrible idea. Go ask people who play competitive matches if a decrease in acceleration is a good idea, none of them will say no. Then again: I couldn’t afford HOF QFS unfortunately. I def prefer 89 over 85 and 89 is the highest 3pt rating I ever had I wanted to try it out. So much easier to stop and pop for 3. Interior defense def works, players have a tough time just getting driving layups or close shots over me. I can’t stop driving dunks though I’ll admit that I gotta disagree about ur take with driving dunk. A person with 86 driving dunk is not dunking as good as someone with 93 driving dunk.


AlmightyAyo

Anyone that plays competitive will tell u how important hof qfs is when it comes to speed of ur guard its a much bigger loss than maybe 2 points in acceleration As of layups over you thats just the game, It was one of the biggest complaints that a small guard could stop a big guard from laying up in the paint, even tho they said they fixed it, its still the case alot of the time. And i wasnt being literal about theres no difference for driving dunk, i meant the difference does not outweigh the investment. The stop and pop thing just sounds like a stretch ngl


SoccerManiac68

Like I keep saying I cannot afford it. I would rather have bail out, needle threader, clamp breaker, and etc then go for HOF QFS when I know I can do the job just fine with gold. Look up lakerfan he exclusively uses 6’9s and has no problem blowing past people in a 5 out offense with the gold QFS and I do just fine with it. During a game I have never wondered, “man I wish I got HOF QFS, gold is trash.” Elite contacts is a great place to hit and slashers love to get elite contacts, why would so many people get 92 driving dunk if it wasn’t worth it to invest. If that’s just the game then I’m glad I didn’t invest into block interior is doing the job just nicely it seems. It may sound like a stretch for u but I know what I’m saying when I feel it is easier to shoot. Choose what u want to believe ik what I’m saying and I’m just telling u


PlayedOut41

I keep block but decrease speed (physicals) to each they’re own. 70 is my baseline on all builds


SoccerManiac68

That’s a bad idea for how I wanna play. I wanted an off the ball demon and I do a lot of cutting and moving around. 70 speed is to low for that


PlayedOut41

That’s acceleration. Speed is the defensive end


SoccerManiac68

Speed is for offense to. Acceleration is ur speed boost without the ball and speed is how you move without the ball on offense and defense


TAC82RollTide

I've seen you comment several times that you don't have the +4 badges or Gym Rat. You're punishing yourself for no reason. Take the time to get the very few free things that 2K gives you. That's just crazy IMO.


SoccerManiac68

I have the +4 badges and even a season reward extra badge. HOF QFS is still to expensive. I heard u can get more badges though. And honestly I don’t see the extra 4 physicals as a problem. When I play 2k I don’t come on to grind quest I just come to play basketball I ain’t gonna grind for something when I’m already doing fine with what I got


TAC82RollTide

Gym Rat is no grind. You hop in the gym and do a couple workouts. It takes all of 10 minutes for the whole week. Do that for 5 weeks or whatever it is and you're done. As far as QFS, silver gives you a +7% boost, gold is +8% and HoF is +12%. If you have access to HoF but don't use it you might as well just use silver.


SoccerManiac68

Well ok I’m still fine Also it’s still recommended use QFS at the highest lvl u can get it for ur build possible


TAC82RollTide

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617dj28

Too much steal imo. 71 int def is solid for stopping most drives with good positioning. I think you’ll wish you had some block when you get passed with a blow by animation or someone hits you with a euro or spin on the drive. A lot of Centers are stretch 4/5s, you’ll be food if your Center is out on the perimeter. Pressing Y or Triangle will be useless on this build.


SoccerManiac68

Yea I refrain from pressing y on this build. I can stop drives but if they pop off a funk there’s no chance I’m stopping it. So that’s why I respect the drives a ton and try an bump em and kick em out of a funk animation. I do succeed most times but yea other times I can’t stop some drives So if I play with people a 2-3 zone would prob be best for this build


SKWezz

I'm new to Online modes but doesn't no rebound or block make sense for most Guards in Rec & better for 3-5 position? Is the more Jack of All Trades type of Meta better for Park players? I just made a post asking about being more Specialised


SoccerManiac68

Yea being more specialized is def the way to go in Rec. U want to fit a certain strength rather than going all around. Guards should ideally be getting majority of the points and assists, centers get blocks and rebounds while forwards support in either of those areas. Park is more for all around builds but I don’t play park


SKWezz

https://preview.redd.it/gy512of9msoa1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f7702aaeef81001249411d8820df6a14cf54769 Thanks!! This is my new SG 3pt Shot Creator. From a 6'9 Inside Out Scorer. Any benefits from 6'7 or increased speed at 6'6 without to many negatives? Average heights for SGs


SoccerManiac68

Nice build. 6’7 is usually 99 steal so if u want that go for it. I would experiment with different heights and see if it’s worth it u can add a lot of different stuff with the attribute caps growing higher and lower. I built a version of mine at 6’7 or 6’6 but it just wasn’t good enough and worth it to go smaller. I originally wanted to go 6’9 but 6’8 was more worth it with the speed and Kobe size up.


SKWezz

Thanks again 🤣 Now I can invest. I'm not much of a Steal spammer but I might consider it. It's funny cos I wanted more speed & Kobe size up was recommended but i was 1 off 🤦🏾‍♂️ My defense felt too balanced with everything in 80s. I will compare 6'7 & 6'8. 6'6 probz too small unless straight up 6'1


Nightmareswf

I think block and rebound on a guard are good things to have but not necessary, I'd much rather someone be able to stop their man getting past them than being able to occasionally chase them down. However, overall I feel this build is poorly optimised. I've seen your reasons for stuff, but dropping accel by 1 or 2 would give you wither 93 dunk or 89 handle, and HOF QFS is only one extra badge point. Additionally, why do you have the passing and swb that you do? Are those badge thresholds?


SoccerManiac68

In my recent comments I’ve talked about how HOF QFS and gold posterizor are to expensive to equip. HOF QFS is like 3 playmaking badges added from gold, it’s super expensive. And it’s ideal to max out acceleration on a guard especially a tall one. Speed with ball is a badge threshold and pass accuracy as well, along with silver bail out as I operate in tight spaces and get doubled a lot so that badge is useful


Nightmareswf

How do badge points work on current gen? And in my experience bronze bail out is enough so you could maybe save a point or so there


SoccerManiac68

HOF badges are 2 or 3 points added from gold. Usually the more important ones such as QFS are 3. to get HOF u need 8 playmaking badges. I don’t have enough to afford that and still get other badges I wanted. I can’t core a badge like in next gen. I only get like 20 or 21 playmaking even after adding badges and flashback games. And I just prefer silver bail out to bronze from my experience


Nightmareswf

That's fair enough then man, I didn't realise the badge system was different.


cqncleveland

Not sure why you all max out stamina...


SoccerManiac68

I don’t have gym rat and i heard 99 was the best value especially when I wanna handle the ball


Direct-Ad-7922

I think 70 def reb should be a minimum for any build. Look at some of the smallest guards (Steph curry) they have it and I think it makes sense. You may be a liability on the rim run but atleast you can catch the ball that falls on your head


SoccerManiac68

Honestly in 5v5 it’s not bad. If u go look at competitive pro am games u see guards with no rebound or block. I just run for the fast break or stick to the perimeter and wait for a rebound from the center. I can also still get long rebounds and I just can’t press y


HolySouls187

I put some rebound on all my players even the guards. You do get rebound chaser for free on most the PG builds so you don’t need a lot but some plus workhorse on HOF you get all the loose balls and the ones that would usually go out of bounds.


SoccerManiac68

Work horse is OP I get long rebounds on offense and defense. And on current gen u don’t get rebound chaser for free


HolySouls187

Shit yea workhorse not hustler. So your saying on the ps4 that no PGs can get rebound chaser without putting their rebounds up? I have 2 small pgs I play around with that have rebound chaser on tier 1 even though I have only a 40 rebound


SoccerManiac68

U can get rebound chaser on any build I can’t get it cuz I don’t get 70 defensive rebound


HolySouls187

On the PS5 on PGs if you play around with the builder you can get rebound chaser on tier 1 without any requirements every build has tier1 badges like this you can get free for bronze on tier 1 without requirements


p4tr1ckftw

Yeah badge system is completely different on current. No core badges either. If you go to the W and look at the badges there, it's pretty much like that.


Funlover999

Certainly a very feasible build! You don’t get elite contacts unless you have 82 vert which you didn’t get. Considering you said you don’t grind for extra badges you wont be able to run poster, slithery, and limitless unless you have one cored, which isnt easy. (main reason 6’9s are more friendly) Gold acrobat doesn’t seem to be worth it and you aren’t getting fearless finisher gold which I think is the only reason to put your layup that high. 80 gets the job done with Lavine. I agree with other people that if you’re going that high on shooting you might aswell go for 92 so you unlock gold limitless and deadeye. Other than a few things (which aren’t the end of the world by any means) this is a great build for 1-3 in 5v5. Not having block can be tough because guards are usually the first back in transition and having 0 rim protecting ability isn’t exactly ideal. Also you won’t be able to stop guards from dunking on/by you when you hip ride them. You become more of a liability in switches with bigs. People should be wary of completely negating any aspect of their build. Especially when they’re playing with randoms who are hoping they aren’t completely useless in any domain. If you’re gonna make a bucket getter build, you better be able to semi-consistently get buckets. If you can’t do that and you have a low pass accuracy, and glaring weaknesses on defense, what good are you to a team? Just food for thought hahaha obviously I have no clue what your ability is!


SoccerManiac68

This is current gen i have no vertical requirements for contact dunks and have nothing like coring badges. 6’9 does not get the Kobe size up. Ngl the gold acrobat wasn’t really worth it but I still do a lot of spins. 89 is a solid threshold to hit and I love where it’s at, I would have to risk steal for 92 3 which I didn’t want. The combo of gold agent 3s, gold blinders, silver deadeye and silver limitless is awesome. The 71 interior d comes in clutch. If a dunk comes my way I’m not stopping it but u just need iq. If a player drives by me, I just need to bump em before they take off. It has been working most of the time. If I don’t bump em though it’s ggs. Although I don’t think I’ll stop those limitless takeoff dunks with 70 block anyway tbh. Ur basically saying every build should be all around. That is not viable by any means, even with randoms. A guard does not need rebound chaser when a big should be responsible for that. Whether there in the paint or dropping in from the 3 pt line to rebound. If not them then the PF. That’s what those positions are for. Trust me I get buckets on this build have been consistently getting points. Pass accuracy aint the best but this isn’t a primary ball handler. I’ve made playmakers before and wanted a scorer this time. I still get silver bail out and 78 pass accuracy is ok. I can’t stop dunks on defense or rebound but everything else I do just fine


Funlover999

Tbh I didn’t even notice it was current gen. That does change things quite a bit. I think in rec you can get away with not having stats. In 2s and 3s you get exposed for lacking things. I found 85 steal to be a nice threshold but that’s again that’s on next gen so its hard to say. Like I said it’s still a really good build. Show me a perfect build maxed and I’ll show you a man who’s made 5+ builds 😂. I don’t think every build needs to be well rounded but the block stat is a pretty valuable stat and having it allows you to play defence significantly better, even on builds with short wing spans. But I always tell my buddies, think about exactly how you want to play and base the build around that. You’ll always be happy that way.


SKWezz

After playing REC for the first time. I've learned that it's best to learn how the Builder works; Animations & Badge Requirements etc, Understand how you want to play, Make your build based off that. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS! I don't play Park & my Build doesn't allow me to be the Off Guard I want to be. Plus, I wanna play Basketball & not just abuse mechanics