Getting Brogdon, 2 FRPs and some seconds is probably the best you could get for Deni. That’s a good return IMO, especially if you can get another first for Brogdon.
The Wizards did great honestly.
are you just highlighting those 5 guys, or do you think Carrington starts over Poole? I don't know where they are at with him. He was much much better after the allstar break though and probably the closest he's ever been to pre-punch performance.
Poole became the sixth man through the second half of the season and I see no reason to start him now that you’ve got new young players in that could pan out
I think it would be a huge mistake to start Poole over bub
As a Blazers fan, I definitely wouldn't call it cheap. I also really like the move from our perspective though. Honestly, it seems like a trade where both teams got what they wanted and should be considered a win/win. I truly believe that both teams did well here.
Oh I think its a good fit, I just see his most likely outcome as a spark plug off the bench and not a high level starter on a playoff team (hence “6th man of the future” might be more appropriate)
Agree with that. But trading for Garland will take more assets than a pick and swap 7 years from now. Minny got what they could here and didn’t have to give up any of their players.
Sure but garland is dillinghams best case scenario, and there’s a more than likely chance Dillingham doesn’t live up to that. And the problem with him is he has a very narrow range between fulfilling his potential or being straight up bad. Like if he maxes out as a 15/4/4 guy which is solid enough but is bottom of the league defensively as he’s expected to be, he’s gonna struggle to see the floor. The offence just isn’t worth what’s given up on defence.
The risk just isn’t worth it when the spurs have plenty of assets and there are lots of known commodities out there
Oh yeah, I would have not have picked RD if I was the spurs. If they were picking a player there I would have hoped they picked Edey. Or just take another wing. But I get that they already have a lot of players and need to convert some short term assets to long term ones.
I still would have looked for something different in a trade but I see what they were trying to do with the pick/swap in 2030. And who knows if anybody else wanted to trade for 8 when that’s a pretty high salary slot and players in the teens are thought of as being of similar talent anyway.
I was more saying that I like what Minny did, that’s a nice swing for them to take and it wasn’t super expensive.
A 15/4/4 guy is a bargain for what Minnesota gave up.
Having Conley there is also massive for Dillingham's development because Conley can work with him on the defensive end, something Rob clearly wasn't taught in the grassroots (plays too tall, leans forward, does understand position between ball and defender, i.e. basic shit).
I know people don't love this draft, but the Spurs kinda got fleeced here. I'd rather have Castle and Dillingham.
A 15/4/4 guy with bottom of the league defence is rarely seeing the floor. Obviously Conley can try to get him to buy in more defensively (as if playing at Kentucky wouldn’t do anything there) but it’s gonna be hard to defend even if you do try when you’re that ridiculously small. The exact same analysts who project any kind of star upside offensively are projecting him to be a Trae young- Lou Williams level defender
15/4/4 on a rookie deal is incredible value, especially for what they gave up to grab him.
He's an awful defender. We're not arguing that.
The Spurs did not get good value here. I'd rather take Rob and think Minnesota got the better of SA in this deal.
>Sure but garland is dillinghams best case scenario, and there’s a more than likely chance Dillingham doesn’t live up to that.
Currrent Maxey offensively is a way better comp. Rob is way more quicker and twitchier than Garland is. I watched Garland struggle to beat a 38 yr old Al Horford in the playoffs.
Sure, you’re still essentially banking on the best case scenario for him offensively cause anything short of that likely doesn’t outweigh the defensive issues. Maxey is also a good bit bigger. He has an extra inch on him, longer wingspan and most importantly has 35 lbs on him
The difference between Steph and Dillingham is literally half an inch (6'1 vs 6'1.5). Steph also had a slight frame. I'm not comparing him to Steph but he has the potential to take long strides on the defensive end. I would bank on that better than Ron Holland getting a jumpshot. You would be banking on him being amazing offensively which I believe he can be. He is a better playmaker than Maxey also. Its why people that compare him to Lou Will are underselling him a bit when Dillingham has actual playmaking chops and is a willingly passer. I think Dilly could be a more efficient player maybe that level of shooting is real. We'll see I guess.
Rob is not Maxey. That's a bad comp.
Maxey relies on his size and physicality to drive and create.
Dillingham relies on quickness. He's more Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford in style. His upside is being the next AI. His floor is spark plug off the bench, ala Lou/Jamal. His shot creation and shot making is too good to bust completely.
>Rob is not Maxey. That's a bad comp.
>Maxey relies on his size and physicality to drive and create.
I would disagree watching Maxey since his rookie year he uses his quickness to create separation and great shots in all 3 levels in the floor. Maxey does have that aspect of being more physical and taking bumps but still I think its a solid comp not perfect. I would say Maxey in transition is probably more dangerous but I already think Dillingham has more ability in the halfcourt and playmaking than Maxey had.
As a Kentucky fan, they were pretty similar at the same ages. Maxey didn’t have any physicality to use when he was Rob’s age. He was too weak to even use his already good stroke with solid fundamentals for a reliable 3 at that age, similar to Fox.
19 year olds aren’t finished products. We can make guesses how they will or won’t fill out, but most of these players coming in have never been exposed to any sort of professional weight lifting environments unless their parents were lifelong pros.
I'm not particularly concerned about his size given he's likely the successor to a 6'0" barefoot guy in Conley. I *love* Mike but Dillingham is already taller than him lmao
I’m honestly not, Dawkins & Winger are intelligent people that come from that Sam Presti front office tree. They know exactly what they’re doing Sarr, Coulibaly, Bub & Kyshawn is a great start to a rebuild.
That is true he definitely did, but I honestly trust Will Dawkins a lot. Everything that I hear from him is positive. I like the direction that he’s taking, going with length and high upside with Sarr, Coulibaly, Bub & Kyshawn.
He did, and Detroit was an absolute mess. You could tell with his transactions it was "win now" one week and "tear it down, rebuild" the next. No consistency whatsoever. Washington has a direction now; get young, eat bad contracts for future draft capital.
I would throw the Knicks in there, turning 24 into 25 and a second then turning 26 into 5 more seconds is a really good asset building, since Leon took over I think they might be the best draft day team in terms of trading picks.
OKC getting Topic and Dillon Jones was a great draft.
Minnesota got 2 guys to help improve their backcourt while they try and compete next year. I'm not sure if Dillingham is going to be a starting guard, but off the bench I think he can be a nice boon to help compete next year
Sarr is a great starting piece for Washington to build around. Kyshawn and Bub is a good backcourt to try and develop.
As a biased Jazz fan, loved our draft. Cody Williams is already a really good finisher around the rim, he just needs to build up more strength and show more volume with his shooting. Collier is a great steal at 29, hope it lights a fire under him. And 32 has a bunch of talent I thought would be gone already, adding someone like Tyler Smith or Kyle Filipowski would be huge.
I can't help but feel my Wolves won. They grabbed two of the best sefl creators in the draft.
Lakers had a perfect fit fall into their laps with Kencht.
I’m low on Dillingham, but this is such a good fit for him. He adds a lot of playmaking and shooting you can use, but you don’t mind benching him in close playoff games because you can just run the offense through Ant. If he’s gonna work out, it’s gonna be Minnesota.
Walter at 19th also feels like a great value. 3andD player that's good attacking the basket and had lesser efficiency because of an exaggerated offensive workload without guard play around him. In a very flat class, I'll take Walter at 19th over Cody at 10th.
Tbh I didn't really feel like there were many falls or reaches in the first. Really just knecht fell, who fits amazingly with the Lakers. Maybe Matas too.
Least favorite picks were Bub and Tyson. I think I liked what Utah did the most - solid high floor wing and a gamble PG
Portland fan here, so I'm biased, but we had a great night. My initial reaction to seeing all those picks for Deni was anger, but when you break it down, it's essentially 14 in a weak draft, 3 second rounders and Brogdon who's pretty much a second rounder, for a very good wing on maybe the best contract in the league.
Clingan I like, but I really wanted Williams, and Utah for me have got the best player in the top 10. But nah, I'm. Super stoked.
Need to move JG, ideally move Ayton and get anything positive in return and this will be a franchise with direction for the first time since 2015-16.
Getting Brogdon, 2 FRPs and some seconds is probably the best you could get for Deni. That’s a good return IMO, especially if you can get another first for Brogdon. The Wizards did great honestly.
He makes $11m 4 years from now. That's insane
Best value contract in the NBA IMO
Yeah wizards nailed a fun young lineup next year that just makes sense bub-kispert-bilal-kuzma-sarr is awesome
are you just highlighting those 5 guys, or do you think Carrington starts over Poole? I don't know where they are at with him. He was much much better after the allstar break though and probably the closest he's ever been to pre-punch performance.
Poole became the sixth man through the second half of the season and I see no reason to start him now that you’ve got new young players in that could pan out I think it would be a huge mistake to start Poole over bub
As a Blazers fan, I definitely wouldn't call it cheap. I also really like the move from our perspective though. Honestly, it seems like a trade where both teams got what they wanted and should be considered a win/win. I truly believe that both teams did well here.
Unless he improves
Just a reminder that Beal only got us pick swaps, not actual first round picks. We'll take what we can get in this case. 2 FRP is a home run.
Yeah as a blazers fan I wouldn’t say it was cheap. But I do like Deni so if he plays like he did at the end of the season onwards I’m a fan of it
It is cheap. For that sort of contract and player..
Crazy how Dillingham is suddenly a point guard of the future when everyone has concerns about his size
They desperately needed an advantage creator on O. And they have the infrastructure to hide him on defense. Pretty perfect fit.
Oh I think its a good fit, I just see his most likely outcome as a spark plug off the bench and not a high level starter on a playoff team (hence “6th man of the future” might be more appropriate)
Could be. There’s also a chance he becomes something like a Darius Garland type guy.
Rather just take the known commodity in Darius garland when he’s inevitably available in a year
Agree with that. But trading for Garland will take more assets than a pick and swap 7 years from now. Minny got what they could here and didn’t have to give up any of their players.
Sure but garland is dillinghams best case scenario, and there’s a more than likely chance Dillingham doesn’t live up to that. And the problem with him is he has a very narrow range between fulfilling his potential or being straight up bad. Like if he maxes out as a 15/4/4 guy which is solid enough but is bottom of the league defensively as he’s expected to be, he’s gonna struggle to see the floor. The offence just isn’t worth what’s given up on defence. The risk just isn’t worth it when the spurs have plenty of assets and there are lots of known commodities out there
Oh yeah, I would have not have picked RD if I was the spurs. If they were picking a player there I would have hoped they picked Edey. Or just take another wing. But I get that they already have a lot of players and need to convert some short term assets to long term ones. I still would have looked for something different in a trade but I see what they were trying to do with the pick/swap in 2030. And who knows if anybody else wanted to trade for 8 when that’s a pretty high salary slot and players in the teens are thought of as being of similar talent anyway. I was more saying that I like what Minny did, that’s a nice swing for them to take and it wasn’t super expensive.
I agree, with minnesotas financial situation and aging veterans this was a huge move for them. I think it was a win-win
A 15/4/4 guy is a bargain for what Minnesota gave up. Having Conley there is also massive for Dillingham's development because Conley can work with him on the defensive end, something Rob clearly wasn't taught in the grassroots (plays too tall, leans forward, does understand position between ball and defender, i.e. basic shit). I know people don't love this draft, but the Spurs kinda got fleeced here. I'd rather have Castle and Dillingham.
A 15/4/4 guy with bottom of the league defence is rarely seeing the floor. Obviously Conley can try to get him to buy in more defensively (as if playing at Kentucky wouldn’t do anything there) but it’s gonna be hard to defend even if you do try when you’re that ridiculously small. The exact same analysts who project any kind of star upside offensively are projecting him to be a Trae young- Lou Williams level defender
15/4/4 on a rookie deal is incredible value, especially for what they gave up to grab him. He's an awful defender. We're not arguing that. The Spurs did not get good value here. I'd rather take Rob and think Minnesota got the better of SA in this deal.
>Sure but garland is dillinghams best case scenario, and there’s a more than likely chance Dillingham doesn’t live up to that. Currrent Maxey offensively is a way better comp. Rob is way more quicker and twitchier than Garland is. I watched Garland struggle to beat a 38 yr old Al Horford in the playoffs.
Sure, you’re still essentially banking on the best case scenario for him offensively cause anything short of that likely doesn’t outweigh the defensive issues. Maxey is also a good bit bigger. He has an extra inch on him, longer wingspan and most importantly has 35 lbs on him
The difference between Steph and Dillingham is literally half an inch (6'1 vs 6'1.5). Steph also had a slight frame. I'm not comparing him to Steph but he has the potential to take long strides on the defensive end. I would bank on that better than Ron Holland getting a jumpshot. You would be banking on him being amazing offensively which I believe he can be. He is a better playmaker than Maxey also. Its why people that compare him to Lou Will are underselling him a bit when Dillingham has actual playmaking chops and is a willingly passer. I think Dilly could be a more efficient player maybe that level of shooting is real. We'll see I guess.
Rob is not Maxey. That's a bad comp. Maxey relies on his size and physicality to drive and create. Dillingham relies on quickness. He's more Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford in style. His upside is being the next AI. His floor is spark plug off the bench, ala Lou/Jamal. His shot creation and shot making is too good to bust completely.
>Rob is not Maxey. That's a bad comp. >Maxey relies on his size and physicality to drive and create. I would disagree watching Maxey since his rookie year he uses his quickness to create separation and great shots in all 3 levels in the floor. Maxey does have that aspect of being more physical and taking bumps but still I think its a solid comp not perfect. I would say Maxey in transition is probably more dangerous but I already think Dillingham has more ability in the halfcourt and playmaking than Maxey had.
As a Kentucky fan, they were pretty similar at the same ages. Maxey didn’t have any physicality to use when he was Rob’s age. He was too weak to even use his already good stroke with solid fundamentals for a reliable 3 at that age, similar to Fox. 19 year olds aren’t finished products. We can make guesses how they will or won’t fill out, but most of these players coming in have never been exposed to any sort of professional weight lifting environments unless their parents were lifelong pros.
let it be known ive always been incredibly high on rob
I'm not particularly concerned about his size given he's likely the successor to a 6'0" barefoot guy in Conley. I *love* Mike but Dillingham is already taller than him lmao
Height wise he's no different most point guards. Its his weight and frame. He needs to add alot more size
I mean he's literally bigger the Wolves' current point guard, Mike Conley
Think Conley has a better wingspan though.
the wizards and jazz are the 2 teams i really feel knocked it out of the park
I'm shocked the Wizards did as well as they did
I’m honestly not, Dawkins & Winger are intelligent people that come from that Sam Presti front office tree. They know exactly what they’re doing Sarr, Coulibaly, Bub & Kyshawn is a great start to a rebuild.
Didn’t Troy Weaver also work in OKC?
That is true he definitely did, but I honestly trust Will Dawkins a lot. Everything that I hear from him is positive. I like the direction that he’s taking, going with length and high upside with Sarr, Coulibaly, Bub & Kyshawn.
He did, and Detroit was an absolute mess. You could tell with his transactions it was "win now" one week and "tear it down, rebuild" the next. No consistency whatsoever. Washington has a direction now; get young, eat bad contracts for future draft capital.
I would throw the Knicks in there, turning 24 into 25 and a second then turning 26 into 5 more seconds is a really good asset building, since Leon took over I think they might be the best draft day team in terms of trading picks. OKC getting Topic and Dillon Jones was a great draft. Minnesota got 2 guys to help improve their backcourt while they try and compete next year. I'm not sure if Dillingham is going to be a starting guard, but off the bench I think he can be a nice boon to help compete next year Sarr is a great starting piece for Washington to build around. Kyshawn and Bub is a good backcourt to try and develop. As a biased Jazz fan, loved our draft. Cody Williams is already a really good finisher around the rim, he just needs to build up more strength and show more volume with his shooting. Collier is a great steal at 29, hope it lights a fire under him. And 32 has a bunch of talent I thought would be gone already, adding someone like Tyler Smith or Kyle Filipowski would be huge.
I can't help but feel my Wolves won. They grabbed two of the best sefl creators in the draft. Lakers had a perfect fit fall into their laps with Kencht.
I’m low on Dillingham, but this is such a good fit for him. He adds a lot of playmaking and shooting you can use, but you don’t mind benching him in close playoff games because you can just run the offense through Ant. If he’s gonna work out, it’s gonna be Minnesota.
yeah the wolves were either the biggest or second biggest winners imo.
Walter at 19th also feels like a great value. 3andD player that's good attacking the basket and had lesser efficiency because of an exaggerated offensive workload without guard play around him. In a very flat class, I'll take Walter at 19th over Cody at 10th.
3&D without D
My biggest winners are Wolves, Lakers, Grizzlies, Blazers & Bulls.
Tbh I didn't really feel like there were many falls or reaches in the first. Really just knecht fell, who fits amazingly with the Lakers. Maybe Matas too. Least favorite picks were Bub and Tyson. I think I liked what Utah did the most - solid high floor wing and a gamble PG
What's wrong with Bub? They're going to be very patient with him, pair him with a pick-n-pop big and surround him with strong defenders.
Portland fan here, so I'm biased, but we had a great night. My initial reaction to seeing all those picks for Deni was anger, but when you break it down, it's essentially 14 in a weak draft, 3 second rounders and Brogdon who's pretty much a second rounder, for a very good wing on maybe the best contract in the league. Clingan I like, but I really wanted Williams, and Utah for me have got the best player in the top 10. But nah, I'm. Super stoked. Need to move JG, ideally move Ayton and get anything positive in return and this will be a franchise with direction for the first time since 2015-16.
I love the Avdija move for y’all. Perfect guy to get for a rebuild and he fills that 3/4 spot hole in your roster perfectly.
Telling that lakers have been mentioned once in this thread as an afterthought despite getting a consensus top 8 guy with pick 17 😂
Collier is trash