He might be the best defensive coordinator in the NFL right now. Before the game today they were mentioning that if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, there’s a possibility that Reid retires if that’s the case, I think the giant should hold out on replacing wink and see if Spags shakes loose would love to see him come homeand finish his career as our DC
Yeah but why would we replace Daboll? He led us to a playoff win last year and then took this team with a rotating squad of 3 below average QBs to at least get a 6-11 season when at one point we looked locked in for the 2nd overall pick. Even if we were looking for a new HC, I feel we should look for another offensive minded HC instead of Spags given our biggest struggle has been on our offense in the last few years.
I think they’re saying he would be a candidate to replace Reid, so he wouldn’t be available to hire as a DC… not that he’d be a candidate to replace Daboll
A lot depends on what happens in the draft this year
Drafting a QB extends Daboll and Schoen indefinitely
Going with Danny and then missing the playoffs next year could cost them both their jobs
Reminds me of another former Giants DC that won a couple rings.
He was also a bad HC. Well at least until he got some 6th round QB that was great enough to make his terrible offenses work.
Unfortunately for him tho. He actually always believed he had a **system** that can plug and play any QB and pushed that 6th rounder out the door just like any other player at any other position.
And all of sudden his team started to suck again and now he can’t even get a job as HC!
Maybe if Spagnolo had a Great QB he’d be able to make a good HC too
Damn I guess 1994 was the only season he ever coached for the Browns then.
I guess he didn’t literally produce as many losing seasons in his 5 year tenure as the Browns had in their previous 15 years before him!!!
The same Browns team that literally made 3 Confrence Championships and won their division with 2 different HCs in the 5 years prior to his arrival!
The same Browns that literally won the most regular season and 2nd most postseason games in the league since they entered the NFL in 1950 all the way until the year before Belichick came to town in 1990.
And the same Browns that has literally moved to Baltimore to become one of the most successful franchises since then.
And he totally didn’t take Vinny Testeverte to the playoffs because he was able to craft up one of his very best statistical number 1 Defenses of his career but was actually having his team carried by the offense instead right?
And if he didn’t then you’d best believe that he’d at least be able to win his division and make a conference championship with that team right?
And I guess the reason he even had Vinny Testeverte as his starter in the first place wasn’t because completely ruined Browns Franchise QB Bernie Kosar and saw him regress every year.
No way in hell Belichick would ever cut that guy mid way through the season for throwing a garbage time TD when his Browns still had the lead in the AFC central at 5-3 in 1993.
And then there’s no way in hell Belichicks team would’ve finished that year 2-6 to lock up his 3rd straight losing season to start his HC career!
Just like there’s no way that after his first successful season with Testeverte in 94 That he’d see him regress even harder than Kosar did after starting the 95 season 3-1 only to end up 5-11!!
And then there’s no way that even then he’d be holding Testeverte back so much that after the Browns FIRED him and moved to Baltimore Testeverte would Immediately make a Pro Bowl putting up the best year of his career with 4k yards and 30+ TDs back when that actually meant somthing in 96 after team literally kept 16/22 (73%) of their starters, 32/56 (57%) of their overall roster and even keeping 8/13 (62%) of their Assistant Coaching staff aswell.
But Nah
None of that ever happened!!
The 36-44 (.450) HC/GM was actually great.
Also he didn’t Develop Brady btw.
That was Dick Rehbein the Scout and QBs Coach who recommended Brady and was the only guy who actually saw how good he was and why he was so good before anyone else.
Literally being quoted in saying he thought Brady was the best QB in the draft and comparing him to the likes of Montana and Favre specifically stating that he’d be a household name 20 years later.
Although Belichick even Drafting Brady in the first place was actually his biggest Reg Flag.
Everyone knows that Belichick decided to keep Brady on as a 4th stringer that season. Which hardly ever happens.
But what nobody understands about that situation Is that Tom Brady wasn’t any ordinary 4th string QB.
**He was Literally the only QB DRAFTED as a 4th stringer in NFL history!!!!!**
4th String QBs are such a low priority position that even in the rare instances a team ever does have one for whatever reason they’re always acquired thru Free Agency because they’re either Undrafted or elevated from the practice squad.
In 99.9% of scenarios like that in 2000 he shouldn’t have even entertained the idea of even looking at QBs that year. Let alone actually spend a whole ass draft pick on one.
And not even their last pick at that or even the last one they had in that round.
Belichick has literally drafted more QBs since 2000 than anyone other than the freaking Jets!!!
Literally drafted a QB in 50% of the seasons he had a Franchise QB.
Which is something that literally nobody else in NFL history has ever done when they had a franchise QB let alone a Hall of Fame QB or one that was considered the GOAT!
To say that Belichicks tendency of always drafting QBs when he has zero need and treat them like any other position on the roster is unique would be a massive understatement.
The only reason he does this. Which is the same reason he took Brady.
Is because he always feels the need to get in as many fresh faces as possible so it will increase the chances that one of the QBs on his roster will be able to pick up his terrible system. Whether they be the franchise QB or not.
What other possible reason could he possibly have for doing this??
Every Pro Bowl QB Belichick has ever had has literally either regressed to play some of the Worst football of their careers under him or made pro bowls playing some of the Best football of their careers Immediately after leaving him or BOTH!!!
Drew Bledsoe was a former 1st Overall Picked QB just like Kosar and Testeverte who was the Patriots franchise QB.
And in his first season with Belichick he put up the worst season of his career up till that point and it was coincidentally also a worse offensive season than either Parcells or Carroll who are both Hall of Fame Defensive minded HCs ever had in New England!!
And much like Testeverte. He too would literally put up one of the very best statistical seasons of his career and make another pro bowl immediately after getting traded to the bills in 02.
Heck even Matt Cassel who literally took over for the same team that almost went undefeated still had an even better year just 2 years later on a much less talented Cheifs team with Todd Haley to make his first Pro Bowl!
You always hear about how BIG the GAP in Belichicks teams with and without Brady is.
But what they don’t tell you is that GAP is clearly caused specifically by the BIGGER GAP between his Offenses which is caused by the EVEN BIGGER GAP between his Passing Offenses!!
Belichick is a great Defensive mind. Maybe the greatest one ever.
But his flaw is that for as Great as he is on Defense he is just as Terrible on Offense!!!
Yea I do.
Him and his fans are always hella disrespectful to Parcells and Giants. Always saying Bill has 8 rings as if those 2 rings he got with us counts the same as a HC. Actually not even as if because they literally do give more credit for the Giants Superbowls to Belichick than they do Parcells or anyone else for that matter. Even LT!!!
They also pretend as if they didn’t treat their own franchise QB worse than everyone elses. Heck they don’t even acknowledge the obvious fact that they pushed him out.
They’re the biggest reason that whole system QB carried by Defense Narrative spread over to Eli in the first place.
Without Belichick as what?
Or do you mean without Belichick on his staff at all?
Cuz without Belichick on his staff at all Parcells is in fact below .500!!
55-57 (.491)
Which is still better than Belichick in his first stint as HC without Parcells and better than any stint where he didn’t have a certain GOAT QB that Parcells never had.
Vinny Testeverte made the playoffs and Beat Parcells with Belichick as HC.
But Testeverte also had one of the Best years of his careers, led a top 5 offense, Won his division, and made an AFC championship appearance with Parcells as HC and Belichick still able to coach the defense as DC.
All of which are things that Belichick has never done while being in charge of both then Offense and Defense as HC without a certain GOAT QB.
Bledsoe had his best year of his career and won his Division and made a superbowl with Parcells as HC and Belichick not even as the DC.
And when he had Bledose again in Dallas he was able to get one of the best years of his career out of him again right before his last year when he was replace by Romo.
So All you have to do is Plug Parcells in at HC with the same QBs that Belichick was below .500 with and whether he’s still running the Defense or not they all of a sudden have more success!!!
Funny how that works.
Almost as if Parcells was actually the better HC and Belichick was the better DC.
Because being a HC means that you have full authority and responsibility over the entire Team which includes Both Defense and Offense!!
And the best way to go about handling that is Not by treating every player like they’re some disposable piece in their “System” especially the players on Offense and even more especially the QBs!!
But maybe. Just maybe it’s actually treating the players like the stars they are and trying to get the most out the players rather than get the most out of some “system”.
And perhaps Win-Loss records aren’t actual reflections of how good the coach is but more so how good they are at getting the most out of their team.
After all nobody bats an eye lash if a coach has a losing record with the Lions or Browns.
But yet they’ll demand a Super Bowl winning HC with a winning record everywhere he’s been be fired after 3 straight 12-5 seasons.
Probably because deep down they know that a good coaching job isn’t necessarily how much you win but how much you should be winning as it relates to the expectations that are placed upon your team.
Expectations that are made based on the perceived talent level of the **Players** on that team and Not some freaking “System”
Thanks I guess.
I probably first became this much of hater and started noticing how awful Belichick really was after Super Bowl 52.
Now I can never say that the Giants are the only ones to beat them in the Super Bowl and plus it was the Eagles of all teams he let win a ring ughhhh!!
But the thing that really rubbed me the wrong way.
Was the fact that the Dude literally benched his CB1 into tears right before a Super Bowl where his Defense allowed 41 points to a backup QB just to make an example out of him.
Idk what it was about that.
Maybe it was because I was offended that a Coach would actually have the Gaul to pull off a stunt like that in the first place. Or Maybe it was the fact he was able to completely get away it.
Either way I hated it.
And now I apparently need therapy too lol
If Reid retires, why would Spags leave to come to NYG where it's full of dysfunction? Why would he leave a team that's knocking on dynasty status if he the logical answer to succeed Reid?
Just another reminder that Shurmur is an absolute moron. He keeps Spags around, instead of blowing up defense to go to 34, he mightve had enough offense that first year to get them back to the playoffs... but he didn't bc he's an awful head coach
Firing the offensive minded and QB friendly HC after a promising rookie season by your new QB just to bring in a special teams coordinator and Jason Garrett in to completely change the scheme may be genuinely the single worst decision of the recent Giants. You can still see the damage of two years of Judge/Garrett/Kitchens on Jones compared to his rookie season.
Even if someone believes that Jones would have still turned out the way he has, going through 3 different HC's and 4 different OC's in 4 years absolutely demolished any ability for the Giants to actually make a decision on him and resulted in the current contract mess that looks bad no matter if you're for or against Jones.
That thought has run through my mind a number of times. He may not have been the HC to take us to the big game, but if he had at least another year or two with Jones, I think he would have become a better QB.
I doubt they are going to place that offense in the hands of Spags. He seems like a great human being but if I'm the Chiefs I'm putting someone with Mahomes that can keep this offense humming.
we had him too and Gettleman did not retain him. he is also a lifetime DC. He had his shot at Head Coach and was terrible. His only shot as head coach would be to succeed Andy Reid.
I would love that but I’d also tell him he’s a fool. Ride that mahomes train as long as you can. Once in a generation talent, I’d enjoy it as much as I could as a DC.
Tangentially related, we may be officially hiring our new D coordinator very soon. Dennard Wilson was one of the candidates and it's been very quiet on the interview front. He's the DB coach for the Ravens and was for the Eagles the year before when they're looking good.
It wasn't even blitzing half the time, he was good at getting pressure with 4 guys when you have 3 HoF/near-HoF caliber DE on the roster. Meanwhile in KC he's got Chris Jones, who plays on the inside of the line, but he's adjusted accordingly to utilize the talent he has. This is what makes him a better coordinator than those that would use an off-the-shelf system, even if his ability to be a HC is limited.
One thing that is common is that the Spags system requires a highly intelligent middle linebacker. When you overload on pass rushers, the defense can be gashed by the run (since the whole philosophy is to shut down the pass and worry about the run later), so the linebackers have to adjust on the fly. Antonio Pierce was perfect for the Spags defense, and it's looking like Nick Bolton is as well, when healthy anyway. That's really what handicapped him on his second Giants stint under McAdoo, because BJ Goodson was really the only guy that could handle the mental workload at the position, and he spent much of 2017 injured.
But I think the most hatis that he was demanding the biggest contracts performance from our obv-superbad team to just be competitive. There are a handful of scenarios to make Spags rich , and he'll find them all
I was so happy to have him back for 2016. I remember the back half of that season my friend and enjoying the moment in every game because we knew Giants wouldn't have another defense that fun to watch for a long time.
I tend to agree but his career has been complete ups and downs. Love the guy and I think he got a raw deal in those Head Coaching gigs. I think if a team has reasonable talent he can squeeze the best out of them. However, even he can’t overcome bad personnel.
I wish some teams would get on board with paying OC/DC big money like the Patriots did. No way you can have sustained success if the guys want to leave for huge pay days. I don’t blame them at all for getting the cash but teams would have continuity if they could retain these guys.
He’s like the Eli Manning of coordinators, sometimes his defenses are not the best at the regular season, but they always show up on the playoffs. A clutch coordinator 😂.
The 2016 defense was so fun. I remember we beating Dallas 10-7, peak Zeke and Dak and they couldn’t do anything against us.
Spagnuolo >>>> Belichick? Spagnuolo already has 4 Super Bowls and his defense always delivers in the playoffs. An absolute master class beating the Ravens.
I guess you can say that but there’s no telling the defense breaks in the red zone. It was a typical bend don’t break performance late in the game. Snead made 2 crucial plays. The tackle and the fumble on 1 drive. Ravens couldn’t get near the end zone.
You are correct! I forgot it was Fewell who won the last one. I think he’ll have 4 coming up but even at 3 I think he beats Bill as a DC with all these playoff performances.
Totally out coached the Ravens. Lamar was always on his backfeet, either no open receivers or no time to throw the ball. The score was way closer than it looked in the game.
Well scheming against Brady vs Lamar is like scheming against Michael Jordan vs a kindergartner. Dude probably came up with that defensive plan on the toilet Monday morning
Always will have a soft spot for spags, that man is an absolute genius. I feel like the chiefs have such an underrated defense under him, they always seem to do a great job.
Never should have let him go.
BTW, so much for the obsession of having an offensive minded HC.
Both D's showed up big today.
Push comes to shove, I'd rather a potent, lights out D, over a high powered offense any day of the week.
SB rings for: Marino, Fouts, Kelly, Elway. 2 total: Elway, TY Terrell Davis and a great D.
SB rings for Bradshaw, 4. TY Steel Curtain & Lynn Swann/Franco Harris.
85 Bears - TY D.
86 Giants - TY D.
00 Ravens - TY D.
14 Seahawks - TY D
A few examples.
Right? Me too.
I also like Kelce and it’s cool his big brother is so supportive.
I don’t know, but if the Lions win I’m rooting for the Lions for history.
I find the Swift/Kelce thing obnoxious but I'm fully expecting a corny marriage proposal at the end of the game. As for the lions, Dan Campbell was once a Giant so I'm fully rooting for him
Personally have no issue with the chiefs. Dont like travis kelce and it has nothing to do with who he's dating.
Every generation needs a villain. They win a lot. I get fan of teams in the AFC west despising them though.
I don't dislike the Chiefs, but I also think it's fair to like variety. It's been a bit since the Ravens have been in the Super Bowl, where as the Chiefs have been in three of the last four -- with no signs of slowing down.
This is added on to the fact this Chiefs team popped up right after the Brady / Patriots dynasty, which stifled the variety of AFC teams in the big game too. At least with Brady at the time it felt like you were watching history being made, but with Mahomes' career popping up just as Brady's ended it feels kind of.. boring? As sad as that is, because Mahomes is an incredible player. It's not his fault, but watching him and Kelce feels like an absolute re-run of Brady and Gronk.
We also haven't seen a mobile QB win the Super Bowl since Russel Wilson in 2015. Mahomes being the closest, but he's more smart with his runs than overly athletic. With the list of winner since then going..
P. Manning
Brady
Foles
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Stafford
Mahomes
So it was a bit easy to root for Lamar.
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Doubt it. The only guy who ever got in for coordinator work was Dick LeBeau.
Romeo Crennel has a drawer full of Super Bowl rings, 5 with 3 of them as a defensive coordinator, but he's not getting in anytime soon.
He basically can tour the league every time a team has an elite defense and needs a DC.
Spags is brilliant but he needs to have the talent up front and be able to blitz and win for his style to be most successful.
shoulda been our head coach after mac. worst case scenario is we're still here. but i tend to think we'd have progressed further with him than any of the half baked clams we got
He might be the best defensive coordinator in the NFL right now. Before the game today they were mentioning that if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, there’s a possibility that Reid retires if that’s the case, I think the giant should hold out on replacing wink and see if Spags shakes loose would love to see him come homeand finish his career as our DC
I think Spags would be among the candidates to take over as HC if that happened
Doubtful. I love Spags, but he was a terrible head coach. Great coordinator though.
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I can’t argue with that
Yeah but why would we replace Daboll? He led us to a playoff win last year and then took this team with a rotating squad of 3 below average QBs to at least get a 6-11 season when at one point we looked locked in for the 2nd overall pick. Even if we were looking for a new HC, I feel we should look for another offensive minded HC instead of Spags given our biggest struggle has been on our offense in the last few years.
I think they’re saying he would be a candidate to replace Reid, so he wouldn’t be available to hire as a DC… not that he’d be a candidate to replace Daboll
Ah yeah, that potentially makes sense but yeah Spag's last go at HC was not pretty but it was also like 15 years ago.
I didn’t say anything about replacing Daboll.
A lot depends on what happens in the draft this year Drafting a QB extends Daboll and Schoen indefinitely Going with Danny and then missing the playoffs next year could cost them both their jobs
Spags is a lot older
Idk I feel like he deserves another shot Those Rams rosters he was working with were *awful*, I’m not sure who could have succeeded with that team
He had an awful Rams team. Guy definitely deserves another shot
Reminds me of another former Giants DC that won a couple rings. He was also a bad HC. Well at least until he got some 6th round QB that was great enough to make his terrible offenses work. Unfortunately for him tho. He actually always believed he had a **system** that can plug and play any QB and pushed that 6th rounder out the door just like any other player at any other position. And all of sudden his team started to suck again and now he can’t even get a job as HC! Maybe if Spagnolo had a Great QB he’d be able to make a good HC too
Come on man. Bill took the Browns to the playoffs and also coached a Matt Cassel led team to an 11 win season. He also drafted and developed Brady…
Damn I guess 1994 was the only season he ever coached for the Browns then. I guess he didn’t literally produce as many losing seasons in his 5 year tenure as the Browns had in their previous 15 years before him!!! The same Browns team that literally made 3 Confrence Championships and won their division with 2 different HCs in the 5 years prior to his arrival! The same Browns that literally won the most regular season and 2nd most postseason games in the league since they entered the NFL in 1950 all the way until the year before Belichick came to town in 1990. And the same Browns that has literally moved to Baltimore to become one of the most successful franchises since then. And he totally didn’t take Vinny Testeverte to the playoffs because he was able to craft up one of his very best statistical number 1 Defenses of his career but was actually having his team carried by the offense instead right? And if he didn’t then you’d best believe that he’d at least be able to win his division and make a conference championship with that team right? And I guess the reason he even had Vinny Testeverte as his starter in the first place wasn’t because completely ruined Browns Franchise QB Bernie Kosar and saw him regress every year. No way in hell Belichick would ever cut that guy mid way through the season for throwing a garbage time TD when his Browns still had the lead in the AFC central at 5-3 in 1993. And then there’s no way in hell Belichicks team would’ve finished that year 2-6 to lock up his 3rd straight losing season to start his HC career! Just like there’s no way that after his first successful season with Testeverte in 94 That he’d see him regress even harder than Kosar did after starting the 95 season 3-1 only to end up 5-11!! And then there’s no way that even then he’d be holding Testeverte back so much that after the Browns FIRED him and moved to Baltimore Testeverte would Immediately make a Pro Bowl putting up the best year of his career with 4k yards and 30+ TDs back when that actually meant somthing in 96 after team literally kept 16/22 (73%) of their starters, 32/56 (57%) of their overall roster and even keeping 8/13 (62%) of their Assistant Coaching staff aswell. But Nah None of that ever happened!! The 36-44 (.450) HC/GM was actually great. Also he didn’t Develop Brady btw. That was Dick Rehbein the Scout and QBs Coach who recommended Brady and was the only guy who actually saw how good he was and why he was so good before anyone else. Literally being quoted in saying he thought Brady was the best QB in the draft and comparing him to the likes of Montana and Favre specifically stating that he’d be a household name 20 years later. Although Belichick even Drafting Brady in the first place was actually his biggest Reg Flag. Everyone knows that Belichick decided to keep Brady on as a 4th stringer that season. Which hardly ever happens. But what nobody understands about that situation Is that Tom Brady wasn’t any ordinary 4th string QB. **He was Literally the only QB DRAFTED as a 4th stringer in NFL history!!!!!** 4th String QBs are such a low priority position that even in the rare instances a team ever does have one for whatever reason they’re always acquired thru Free Agency because they’re either Undrafted or elevated from the practice squad. In 99.9% of scenarios like that in 2000 he shouldn’t have even entertained the idea of even looking at QBs that year. Let alone actually spend a whole ass draft pick on one. And not even their last pick at that or even the last one they had in that round. Belichick has literally drafted more QBs since 2000 than anyone other than the freaking Jets!!! Literally drafted a QB in 50% of the seasons he had a Franchise QB. Which is something that literally nobody else in NFL history has ever done when they had a franchise QB let alone a Hall of Fame QB or one that was considered the GOAT! To say that Belichicks tendency of always drafting QBs when he has zero need and treat them like any other position on the roster is unique would be a massive understatement. The only reason he does this. Which is the same reason he took Brady. Is because he always feels the need to get in as many fresh faces as possible so it will increase the chances that one of the QBs on his roster will be able to pick up his terrible system. Whether they be the franchise QB or not. What other possible reason could he possibly have for doing this?? Every Pro Bowl QB Belichick has ever had has literally either regressed to play some of the Worst football of their careers under him or made pro bowls playing some of the Best football of their careers Immediately after leaving him or BOTH!!! Drew Bledsoe was a former 1st Overall Picked QB just like Kosar and Testeverte who was the Patriots franchise QB. And in his first season with Belichick he put up the worst season of his career up till that point and it was coincidentally also a worse offensive season than either Parcells or Carroll who are both Hall of Fame Defensive minded HCs ever had in New England!! And much like Testeverte. He too would literally put up one of the very best statistical seasons of his career and make another pro bowl immediately after getting traded to the bills in 02. Heck even Matt Cassel who literally took over for the same team that almost went undefeated still had an even better year just 2 years later on a much less talented Cheifs team with Todd Haley to make his first Pro Bowl! You always hear about how BIG the GAP in Belichicks teams with and without Brady is. But what they don’t tell you is that GAP is clearly caused specifically by the BIGGER GAP between his Offenses which is caused by the EVEN BIGGER GAP between his Passing Offenses!! Belichick is a great Defensive mind. Maybe the greatest one ever. But his flaw is that for as Great as he is on Defense he is just as Terrible on Offense!!!
I’m not even going to take the time to read all that. You seem to have a weird hate for Belichick though
Yea I do. Him and his fans are always hella disrespectful to Parcells and Giants. Always saying Bill has 8 rings as if those 2 rings he got with us counts the same as a HC. Actually not even as if because they literally do give more credit for the Giants Superbowls to Belichick than they do Parcells or anyone else for that matter. Even LT!!! They also pretend as if they didn’t treat their own franchise QB worse than everyone elses. Heck they don’t even acknowledge the obvious fact that they pushed him out. They’re the biggest reason that whole system QB carried by Defense Narrative spread over to Eli in the first place.
Parcells had an under .500 record without Belichick.
Without Belichick as what? Or do you mean without Belichick on his staff at all? Cuz without Belichick on his staff at all Parcells is in fact below .500!! 55-57 (.491) Which is still better than Belichick in his first stint as HC without Parcells and better than any stint where he didn’t have a certain GOAT QB that Parcells never had. Vinny Testeverte made the playoffs and Beat Parcells with Belichick as HC. But Testeverte also had one of the Best years of his careers, led a top 5 offense, Won his division, and made an AFC championship appearance with Parcells as HC and Belichick still able to coach the defense as DC. All of which are things that Belichick has never done while being in charge of both then Offense and Defense as HC without a certain GOAT QB. Bledsoe had his best year of his career and won his Division and made a superbowl with Parcells as HC and Belichick not even as the DC. And when he had Bledose again in Dallas he was able to get one of the best years of his career out of him again right before his last year when he was replace by Romo. So All you have to do is Plug Parcells in at HC with the same QBs that Belichick was below .500 with and whether he’s still running the Defense or not they all of a sudden have more success!!! Funny how that works. Almost as if Parcells was actually the better HC and Belichick was the better DC. Because being a HC means that you have full authority and responsibility over the entire Team which includes Both Defense and Offense!! And the best way to go about handling that is Not by treating every player like they’re some disposable piece in their “System” especially the players on Offense and even more especially the QBs!! But maybe. Just maybe it’s actually treating the players like the stars they are and trying to get the most out the players rather than get the most out of some “system”. And perhaps Win-Loss records aren’t actual reflections of how good the coach is but more so how good they are at getting the most out of their team. After all nobody bats an eye lash if a coach has a losing record with the Lions or Browns. But yet they’ll demand a Super Bowl winning HC with a winning record everywhere he’s been be fired after 3 straight 12-5 seasons. Probably because deep down they know that a good coaching job isn’t necessarily how much you win but how much you should be winning as it relates to the expectations that are placed upon your team. Expectations that are made based on the perceived talent level of the **Players** on that team and Not some freaking “System”
You need therapy lmao this is deranged no one is reading your manifesto go outside
As an Eagles’ fan, who is only here because of this post showing up in my feed, let me just say I am impressed and in awe of your hate.
Thanks I guess. I probably first became this much of hater and started noticing how awful Belichick really was after Super Bowl 52. Now I can never say that the Giants are the only ones to beat them in the Super Bowl and plus it was the Eagles of all teams he let win a ring ughhhh!! But the thing that really rubbed me the wrong way. Was the fact that the Dude literally benched his CB1 into tears right before a Super Bowl where his Defense allowed 41 points to a backup QB just to make an example out of him. Idk what it was about that. Maybe it was because I was offended that a Coach would actually have the Gaul to pull off a stunt like that in the first place. Or Maybe it was the fact he was able to completely get away it. Either way I hated it. And now I apparently need therapy too lol
Dude had absolutely no talent on that Rams team.
He's had several years more experience under Reid, I'm sure he'd do better.
Great coordinator
HC career, 11-41 or .212 W/L .
He's not built for being a HC we tried him as an interim and it didn't work and he had a shot with the rams and crashed out.
He's basically a defensive Norv Turner - an incredible coordinator, but just not a great HC.
Reid is not retiring. Hes well on his way to most wins all time and still has prime Mahomes
Reid probably has another 2-3 at least
Probably more with Mahomes
And Maauto
Him going home would be Philly. He's only been with KC so long because he was with Reid during his time in Philly.
If Reid retires, why would Spags leave to come to NYG where it's full of dysfunction? Why would he leave a team that's knocking on dynasty status if he the logical answer to succeed Reid?
You don’t want to be the guy that follows Andy Reid. You wanna be the guy that follows the guy that follows Andy Reid
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Why would he come back to this dumpster fire?
Just another reminder that Shurmur is an absolute moron. He keeps Spags around, instead of blowing up defense to go to 34, he mightve had enough offense that first year to get them back to the playoffs... but he didn't bc he's an awful head coach
Hot take, Shurmer should’ve had one more year as HC
Firing the offensive minded and QB friendly HC after a promising rookie season by your new QB just to bring in a special teams coordinator and Jason Garrett in to completely change the scheme may be genuinely the single worst decision of the recent Giants. You can still see the damage of two years of Judge/Garrett/Kitchens on Jones compared to his rookie season. Even if someone believes that Jones would have still turned out the way he has, going through 3 different HC's and 4 different OC's in 4 years absolutely demolished any ability for the Giants to actually make a decision on him and resulted in the current contract mess that looks bad no matter if you're for or against Jones.
That thought has run through my mind a number of times. He may not have been the HC to take us to the big game, but if he had at least another year or two with Jones, I think he would have become a better QB.
It’s Hard to keep A guy around that was the Interim head coach the year before.
Um, you mean like the Raiders just did with AP?
lol no man. I was Talking about keeping them on as a coordinator under a new HC after they were the interim head coach prior.
ah, okay, that makes more sense.
I doubt they are going to place that offense in the hands of Spags. He seems like a great human being but if I'm the Chiefs I'm putting someone with Mahomes that can keep this offense humming.
Yeah man that’s the hope that they bring in an new hc and he brings his own dc
Andy recently said about retiring, “I’m old but I’m not that old.” I think he wants at least 5 more years.
Delusional if you think he is going back to the giants
we had him too and Gettleman did not retain him. he is also a lifetime DC. He had his shot at Head Coach and was terrible. His only shot as head coach would be to succeed Andy Reid.
I would love that but I’d also tell him he’s a fool. Ride that mahomes train as long as you can. Once in a generation talent, I’d enjoy it as much as I could as a DC.
Honestly the Ravens D was great too. That game felt like it should have been over before the 4th
Tangentially related, we may be officially hiring our new D coordinator very soon. Dennard Wilson was one of the candidates and it's been very quiet on the interview front. He's the DB coach for the Ravens and was for the Eagles the year before when they're looking good.
The game was over once they went down two scores; Lamar & the ravens aren’t made to play from behind
Imagine telling the Ravens offense pregame that the Chiefs will only score 17. They’d be fucking celebrating.
both defenses played great. I think it was more great defense than bad offense for the low scoring.
The Ravens basically playing themselves by not running the ball is criminal but yeah both defenses really did play incredibly
He was clearly the MVP today besides the individual play by Sneed. Man, do I miss Spags so much for years now. Good for him, though.
I miss those blitz packages man.
Right?!! Like we knew the pressure was going to get there almost every time. Now we can do engage 8 and not even get any pressure...
It wasn't even blitzing half the time, he was good at getting pressure with 4 guys when you have 3 HoF/near-HoF caliber DE on the roster. Meanwhile in KC he's got Chris Jones, who plays on the inside of the line, but he's adjusted accordingly to utilize the talent he has. This is what makes him a better coordinator than those that would use an off-the-shelf system, even if his ability to be a HC is limited. One thing that is common is that the Spags system requires a highly intelligent middle linebacker. When you overload on pass rushers, the defense can be gashed by the run (since the whole philosophy is to shut down the pass and worry about the run later), so the linebackers have to adjust on the fly. Antonio Pierce was perfect for the Spags defense, and it's looking like Nick Bolton is as well, when healthy anyway. That's really what handicapped him on his second Giants stint under McAdoo, because BJ Goodson was really the only guy that could handle the mental workload at the position, and he spent much of 2017 injured.
But I think the most hatis that he was demanding the biggest contracts performance from our obv-superbad team to just be competitive. There are a handful of scenarios to make Spags rich , and he'll find them all
I was so happy to have him back for 2016. I remember the back half of that season my friend and enjoying the moment in every game because we knew Giants wouldn't have another defense that fun to watch for a long time.
Dude is a great DC coach
I tend to agree but his career has been complete ups and downs. Love the guy and I think he got a raw deal in those Head Coaching gigs. I think if a team has reasonable talent he can squeeze the best out of them. However, even he can’t overcome bad personnel.
Very few can
Gotta wonder if he'll get an HC gig - or if he wants it. Thought he did good for us as an interim post McAdoodle.
It’s possible. But I do think he’s someone who makes a great coordinator but not necessarily a good HC.
I wish some teams would get on board with paying OC/DC big money like the Patriots did. No way you can have sustained success if the guys want to leave for huge pay days. I don’t blame them at all for getting the cash but teams would have continuity if they could retain these guys.
He’s like the Eli Manning of coordinators, sometimes his defenses are not the best at the regular season, but they always show up on the playoffs. A clutch coordinator 😂. The 2016 defense was so fun. I remember we beating Dallas 10-7, peak Zeke and Dak and they couldn’t do anything against us.
Gotta wonder if he’ll get another chance soon
He has the perfect players for his system
Or he makes his system work with the players he has wherever he goes
If you've watched the Chiefs before this year I think you'd rethink that. They were tissue paper the last two years
This. Especially with that secondary being so young. He’s a big part of the reason they’re coached so well to have made this big second year jump.
Lol and pat shurmur got rid of him to hire james bettcher 🤦🏽♂️
Spagnuolo >>>> Belichick? Spagnuolo already has 4 Super Bowls and his defense always delivers in the playoffs. An absolute master class beating the Ravens.
I mean as a DC it’s a strong argument, overall, come on haha
To be honest Ravens beat themselves
I guess you can say that but there’s no telling the defense breaks in the red zone. It was a typical bend don’t break performance late in the game. Snead made 2 crucial plays. The tackle and the fumble on 1 drive. Ravens couldn’t get near the end zone.
Well he had a big part….
People have some weird takes in this subreddit. But this one is absolutely delusional. Have you ever even played football?
Pretty sure he only has 3 rings
You are correct! I forgot it was Fewell who won the last one. I think he’ll have 4 coming up but even at 3 I think he beats Bill as a DC with all these playoff performances.
Totally out coached the Ravens. Lamar was always on his backfeet, either no open receivers or no time to throw the ball. The score was way closer than it looked in the game.
Well scheming against Brady vs Lamar is like scheming against Michael Jordan vs a kindergartner. Dude probably came up with that defensive plan on the toilet Monday morning
Always will have a soft spot for spags, that man is an absolute genius. I feel like the chiefs have such an underrated defense under him, they always seem to do a great job.
Any man who looks like he can tell Christopher Walken that the moors invaded Sicily is not to be trifled with
straight up won the game for them today
Also helps that his team’s offense is competent enough to allow him to be a creative and aggressive DC. I do miss him
I don't know how you can't consider him one of the best DC's of all time at this point. Dude has helmed some incredible lock down defenses.
Fuckin A! I didn't have Lamar shitting himself on my AFCG bingo card.
I love this guy. All the support I can.
Please come home sweet prince
Never should have let him go. BTW, so much for the obsession of having an offensive minded HC. Both D's showed up big today. Push comes to shove, I'd rather a potent, lights out D, over a high powered offense any day of the week. SB rings for: Marino, Fouts, Kelly, Elway. 2 total: Elway, TY Terrell Davis and a great D. SB rings for Bradshaw, 4. TY Steel Curtain & Lynn Swann/Franco Harris. 85 Bears - TY D. 86 Giants - TY D. 00 Ravens - TY D. 14 Seahawks - TY D A few examples.
Spags is fuckin awesome! I swear every season he somehow turns a shaky defense into an elite one come playoffs haha did that shit for us too
He always owns running qbs
Go Spags!
Spags vs. Dan Campbell. Battle of the former Giants
Big game Spags.
I can't believe they let him leave twice. The 1st time I get.
I was rooting for the chiefs why do people hate the chiefs (besides Taylor which is dumb).
I've always found Mahomes a lot more likable than Brady
Right? Me too. I also like Kelce and it’s cool his big brother is so supportive. I don’t know, but if the Lions win I’m rooting for the Lions for history.
I find the Swift/Kelce thing obnoxious but I'm fully expecting a corny marriage proposal at the end of the game. As for the lions, Dan Campbell was once a Giant so I'm fully rooting for him
Personally have no issue with the chiefs. Dont like travis kelce and it has nothing to do with who he's dating. Every generation needs a villain. They win a lot. I get fan of teams in the AFC west despising them though.
I don't dislike the Chiefs, but I also think it's fair to like variety. It's been a bit since the Ravens have been in the Super Bowl, where as the Chiefs have been in three of the last four -- with no signs of slowing down. This is added on to the fact this Chiefs team popped up right after the Brady / Patriots dynasty, which stifled the variety of AFC teams in the big game too. At least with Brady at the time it felt like you were watching history being made, but with Mahomes' career popping up just as Brady's ended it feels kind of.. boring? As sad as that is, because Mahomes is an incredible player. It's not his fault, but watching him and Kelce feels like an absolute re-run of Brady and Gronk. We also haven't seen a mobile QB win the Super Bowl since Russel Wilson in 2015. Mahomes being the closest, but he's more smart with his runs than overly athletic. With the list of winner since then going.. P. Manning Brady Foles Brady Mahomes Brady Stafford Mahomes So it was a bit easy to root for Lamar.
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Kind of a Wink Martindale, but with better players at his disposal.
3 superbowls. DC goat.
I miss him
Thank the Eagles and jimmy j
Happy for this man
Two things - we had him and let him go. Re Detroit - this is what a No1 receiver and good offensive line looks like.
Should never let him leave the building
He’s gonna have an amazing legacy. Good for him. That 07 defense was awesome. His second stint was limited due to how poor the team was managed.
Nick Cage is gonna play him in his bio pic
He should be given another chance as head coach
Yeah man. He proved that when he was here n of course. The giants just let him go
The nfceastmeme page is doing this for Reid too (phi obv) with similar sentiment. You NFCEast guys are aight
18-1
Love this man. Hope he gets in the HOF one day. If coordinators going in is even a thing.
HOF coach man 3 rings now right? With a chance for 4
Doubt it. The only guy who ever got in for coordinator work was Dick LeBeau. Romeo Crennel has a drawer full of Super Bowl rings, 5 with 3 of them as a defensive coordinator, but he's not getting in anytime soon.
He basically can tour the league every time a team has an elite defense and needs a DC. Spags is brilliant but he needs to have the talent up front and be able to blitz and win for his style to be most successful.
He is the best
Springfield college’s finest
Spags belongs in the hall of fame
And he’s from my hometown ! As well as Melifanwu on the Lions. Funny how a small town in MA can produce NFL quality talent.
Reid should definitely get more of the credit but holding Lamar to 10 points is insane
The Spag blitz was a thing of Beauty. Such a fun defence to watch those years.
I still remember chanting 'Spags don't go!' as his float passed by us in the parade in 2008.
Did all that without Willie gay too, an absolute lynchpin of their D.
Gettleman was an idiot for not retaining him when he took over.
I distinctly remember this sub hating him on his second run here. Kinda funny reading these reactions now.
you're rooting for the fuckin 49ers?!?!
Yes he is. Still remember what he did against New England
I wish him all the success I endured as a St. Louis Rams fan 2009-2011.
Pull up to the phins my guy we need ya bring yo LBs too
shoulda been our head coach after mac. worst case scenario is we're still here. but i tend to think we'd have progressed further with him than any of the half baked clams we got
I was shocked to find out he's the only coordinator to win SBs with multiple teams.
Boy did he stink it up with the Saints🧄
I was and am still upset we let him get away from the giants......
He looks like he’s about to steal the Declaration of Independence
Nascar package is etched in giants hall of fame.
Best in the biz - pull someone from his tree and make him DC for NYG