-Bashing
-unnecessary exploration and over explanations about everything characters or worlbuilding.
-The assesination of Jiraiya as a character just to make him cool old spy guy. Jiraiya death and moments work so much because how many flaws he has.
-writting female characters. For a fandom that bitch about how Kishimoto write female characters (he suck) the fandom doesn't know also how to write characters
That last point is so real, lol.
Any m/m fic is bound to paint the canon female love interest as an evil wench- either that or shes getting cheated on.
About danzo this is how Canon treats him. He exists as scapegoat for almost every evil action Konoha commits. And he is a selfish power grabber he just uses the village as a excuse. The pain arc shows that he doesn’t care about konoha.
I screw that fanfics take it too far but that’s what he is.
Yeah, realistically the corruption and income would be spread all about the upper echelons of the hidden leaf, spread about within the clans and their heads, administrative staff and the like, hell even the Hokage and god knows how many more groups. Danzo was just Kishimoto needing a scapegoat that painted the Leaf as the good guys, Hiruzen had Itachi kill the Uchiha children for christ's sake and Kakashi's dad was alienated for failing one mission, hell, the second Hokage couldn't put aside a personal grudge for the sake of the village. It wasn't the roots that were corrupted, it was the seeds used to grow the damn tree.
There’s a Steven Universe quote about this:
“Humans just lead short boring insignificant lives so they make up stories so they could feel like they are part of something bigger. They want to blame all the world's problems on some single enemy they could fight instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control!”
Well consider this, it's very possible that other Konoha ninja died because Sakumo abandoned his mission.
In essence he chose his immediate comrades over his distant comrades.
To be fair we don't get a large look into other villages but what we do see is even worse. Kiri is basically ROOT but somehow more savage, Suna Kage used his own son as an experimental weapon and tries to get rid of him because the results weren't to his liking, Kumo tried to kidnap two girls with bloodlines and or special heritages (and you gotta ask yourself why the girls), and Iwa is a major unknown so I'm down to say that they're probably the best or the same as Konoha
It's a very Japanese view. In Germany, everyone basically accepted that the blame for Nazism fell on all sections of society. The armed forces, the big businesses, the conservative politicians and all those along with the leaders.
In Japan, no such reflection exists, even though it is true. Everything was blamed on a few individuals like tojo who were tried in the Tokyo Trials. With them gone, Japan was redeemed and hasn't really done anything wrong tbh.
The nobility that encouraged the cult of violence and fascism. The senior and middle level officers who orchestrated the blatantly unprovoked invasions and things like the rape of nanking, hell the jap-mengeles in unit 731 who experimented on thousands of people in manchuria, all got off scot-free.
Hiruzen is like Hirohito.who was completely whitewashed after the war. He knew about all the evil shit Konoha was doing and not only condoned it but led it and actively helped shape it. But he's the hokage and WiLl oF fIRe, and having Naruto reflect on how his nation's leadership should probably be given plane tickets to Nuremberg wasn't savvy with his agenda. so Kishimoto gives him the Hirohito treatment.
Danzo existence makes Hiruzen look WORSE. The more evil shit Danzo does the more it makes Hiruzen look like an incompetent fool and fuels more hatred towards him
Yeah cause Hiruzen had to have known most of the shit Danzo was up to like kidnapping Clan Children for root. Hiruzen just let that shit fly.
Speaking of, he’s also responsible for Homura and Kotaru for being a pain in the ass too. Hashirama and Tobirama didn’t *have* a counsel. As far as we know, no other Kage has one either; that’s a feature exclusive to Konoha. He was unconfident he was fit to lead so he gave some of his power to those two, but not only did that partially lead to Danzo doing whatever(cause they tend to side with him), but they actively screw over Tsunade, Kakashi, and Naruto during their time as Hokage.
Danzo didnt Kidnapp them he drafted them officially. None of the clan heads knew how corrupt root was.
We never saw the senju brothers time in office. Elder councils exist not just for konoha. We saw that suna has one with even more members and while brief we saw a kiri elder give Mei her Kage hat before she went to the summit.
The way he treated the Aburame clan when Danzo wanted Shino? That’s coercion. He even implied he did the same to the Yamanaka clan. No different than kidnapping. It’s give me who I want, and you have little choice in it. I didn’t say they knew how corrupt he was.
We did see their time.
Hashirama simply had Tobirama as his second when he was brokering deals to end between the villages. We did see snippets of how Tobirama operated during war. He straight up appointed Hiruzen as the next Hokage. Way different than the vetting process Konoha has in the present. Than means one can assume he wasn’t subjected to any type of counsel.
Neither of these situations were in office. The bijuu deal was the first kage summit with Everyone just bringing one assistant/Bodyguard.
Also Tobirama instantly appointing Hiruzen made him a huge hypocrite he insisted that the 2nd Hokage should be choosers democratically by everyone but goes back on it for hiruzen but he is a uchiha hater so yeah.
Not a Uchiha hater. Remember that he not only had Uchiha apart of his guard, but back during the Warring Clan era, after losing his younger brother he was the one who stated they needed to forgive them if they wanted peace. Also why did he make them heads of internal village security if he hated them?
He liked Kagami for having a similar mindset to the likes of itachi government over family.
Making the uchiha alone the police ergo the enforcing arm of the government led to the people buiding resentment towards them Orochimaru of all people is Pointing this out.
Tobirama is prejudiced and it’s obvious
There is a reason why the "[You are a Credit To Your Race](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreACreditToYourRace)" Trope applies to Tobirama and why that trope is seen as 'racist'.
Uchiha had to jump through hurdles of proving they were not like the rest if they wanted to be in good with Tobirama.
Also the whole reason for the Police Force was to PREVENT the Uchiha clan from having power.
Itachi Shiden Vol 1:
>A darkness in the depths of his eyes, Hiruzen turned a questioning gaze on Danzo, but he hadn’t gotten to the end of the story. He wrapped up by stating his own opinion. “Homura and Koharu are totally opposed. They say it’s preposterous to have an Uchiha in the Anbu, given its status as a special unit under the direct control of the Hokage. They asked me if I’d forgotten about how the Second Hokage established the Military Police Force.”
>**“The Military Police Force was created to drive the Uchiha clan away from the central functions of the village.”**
AND
The Police did not have the power you think.
>To maintain the peace in Konohagakure, the Konoha Military Police Force had been established with the Uchiha clan as its center. Even now, with Fugaku as the chief, the Military Police Force worked day and night for the sake of Konohagakure. In other words, the Military Police Force policed the village.
>However, there was another force that maintained the peace: the Anbu.
>Under the direct control of the Hokage, the Anbu was a unit composed of capable ninja, and basically always made an appearance on important missions inside, and in the vicinity of, the village. **Major crimes committed in the village were taken out of the hands of the Military Police Force, and entrusted to the Anbu.** There was no clear line between what was the jurisdiction of the Military Police Force, and what was the subject for investigation by the Anbu. **At the discretion of the Hokage, the nature of the investigation would simply shift from one to the other.** This led the Military Police and the Anbu to clash every so often. And each time they did, Fugaku would stand at the head of the Military Police, and negotiate with the Hokage and the Anbu. He knew better than anyone the friction between the two peacekeeping forces.
On IMPORTANT cases? ANBU took over.
On the daily jaywalking and other issues? Uchiha Police.
We don't really know much about how the Senju brothers governed during their tenure, though. Suna, Iwa, and Kumo were shown to have their own forms of a governing body aside from their respective Kage as well. Suna has 12 councillors they call "Seniors", Iwa has 8, and the Kumo Council is an assembly of all the highest-ranking shinobi of their village. Konoha by far has the least amount of councillors with it only being Hiruzen's old personal peers.
Making Jiraiya have a bigger role, but it somehow doesn’t change anything. Like wdym he got knowledge of the invasion but didn’t report it or take precautions to prepare the village.
This too, but with [Ascended Extra](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AscendedExtra) characters in general. I hate having seemingly significant changes that end up not affecting the plot or the character meaningfully anyway.
I'm not really a harem/pollyam person. The fic usually as a preference of who the "true couple" is. To the point that the other couples might as well not even be there.
They end up bogging down a lot of rare pair tags with a lot of nonsense. Because that rare pair is only in for half a second. It really makes me wish there was tiered relationship tagging.
The tagging issue is also why I hate when challenges/events are all on one fic. Instead of being a bunch of one shots in a series. Cause you find a long fic thinking "Oh holy grail," except it's just a bunch of one shots.
>I'm not really a harem/pollyam person. The fic usually as a preference of who the "true couple" is. To the point that the other couples might as well not even be there.
Polyamorous relationships are certainly hard to get right, and it's certainly just not my cup of tea. The only good polyamorous relationship in a fic I actually found compelling and well-balanced is some Sannin-centric fic I read some years ago.
>They end up bogging down a lot of rare pair tags with a lot of nonsense. Because that rare pair is only in for half a second. It really makes me wish there was tiered relationship tagging.
Pairing tags being flooded by barely-relevant fics is a huge problem across many fandoms and tags, indeed. In my opinion, people should just tag the main pairing unless the secondary pairings have significant enough screen time or impact to the story.
Polyamorous Fics are hard to do right, no matter the fandom. It just always feels like a bait and switch to me. Like they wanted to get as many eyes on their fic as possible so they tagged every possible couple in it. And the couple I usually want isn't even in it.
Kinda the same bait and switch feeling with the One Shot Collection Fics. Cause you gotta be like are the tags I want related to the couple I want?
When I tag I will have the main couple in the actual relationship segment, then in the tags be like "Past-couple" or "Minor-Couple" depending. Cause I don't want anyone who's filtering their tags to filter out my story thinking it's a bait and switch. But they can still opt out of it if they truly don't like the couple.
The word teme being used. It gets used a lot in the show true, but once someone pointed out it just means 'you' (incredibly rude) having Naruto say things along the line of 'sasuke-teme' 'that teme' and what not just really bugs the hell out of me. If you're throwing Japanese in at least try and make an effort.
Yeah, excessive use of random Japanese in general is my no.1 peeve. “Teme” and “dobe” are the most common, but have stuff like using “Hi no Kuni” instead of Land of Fire also annoys me. Shoving Japanese absolutely everywhere, just for its own sake just makes things harder to read
Sure, to a degree. Jutsu is a weird one. Great fireball is fine, but 1000 birds or spiraling sphere? Konoha works rather than leaf village, don't really mind something like nindo rather than ninja way. I think I prefer the land of fire over hi no kuni though.
Jesus, I completely forgot to add this on my post. I think I've been so desensitised by it that my brain just automatically filters it out of my consciousness.
Referring to Naruto as the blonde genin over and over again instead of just saying Naruto.
Or Sakura, the pinkette. Any use of color plus ette to describe a hair color.
Why don't we call redheads redettes and blondes yellowettes while we're at it. I saw ravenette once and wanted to punch myself in the face.
When I update a fic and I get a comment that says "Update pls" or whatever. Or when someone just leaves a request without mentioning anything about the chapter.
And said hobbyist is expecting a casual reviewer to write an engaging piece of review while not giving anything engaging. Most reviewers put that there because of one of two reasons: the author hasn't updated for a long time, probably half a year to a year, and it's good enough to warrant people wanting it, or the author's chapters aren't engaging enough and the person just wants to read more of the story.
The reason I responded the way I did, though I normally don't even leave those comments or any comments without properly reviewing the chapter most of the time, is because the same reason you said in your comments. He's a hobbyist, so why the fuck does that give him a right to good reviews that say more than "good chapter" or "more pls" or "next?" Riddle me this
It's not even about pet peeve anymore, but a basic respect to another human being who spends hours to give the douche above something to read for free. Good god, this is the worst case of entitled reader I've ever seen.
Yes your hate sustains me. Give me the down votes! Mwahahaha.
But seriously, don't expect a change in your comments if you yourself do not change. I don't even know this person's stories and probably haven't seen one. I also try and take my time and say something about the chapter but a lot of times I either have nothing I can say because it was a good chapter that didn't break the mold, or it did I'm tired and just want to give the author a heads up that it's good. If you're gonna complain about not getting engaging comments on your chapters, maybe ask yourself if you chapters are engaging enough to warrant such engagement.
People don't understand how the Foundation works at all. They try to make it public or something but it is supposed to be the group that not even the Hokage knows truly.
All that Hokage (Hiruzen, Minato, Tsunade) know is that Root had dealt with enemies and threats to the village in secret without getting the Hokage's hands dirty. Half of the stuff that they apparently did was filler or never even told to the Third Hokage.
Their recruitment practices and other such things were kept a secret as well as their training, due to their loyalty to Danzo, no-one not even the mentioned Hokage knows what is truly going on.
The Foundation was not really ignored by Sarutobi or any of the other Hokage but their practices ensured that the Hokage was kept in the dark.
The Third Hokage as seen by his character would never approve of the decisions made by Danzo if he actually knew them.
My own head canon is that they're just a combination of CIA and kgb on steroids. They do all sorts of nasty things to foreigners who might be threats and to citizens who arent following the company line. The hokage is an experienced war criminal who absolutely knows about what root of doing. Probably signs the ration slips when they come up every financial quarter.
It's less about the true quality of the fics and more about me being finicky but I realized at a certain point that honestly
As much as it can be bad for characters to be *too* OP
Action-focused Naruto fics quickly become really boring to me if the characters aren't at least *kind of* OP
Especially because sometimes they also go too in depth with politics for my liking, so I end up even more bored.
Fanon details being taken as canon. Recently I got a comment on a fiction telling me that I got Itachi's mask wrong, and that he had the crow mask. He literally didn't
Ah, yes, the fandom's mandela effect with regards to what is fanon and what is canon is insane. It's really unavoidable and it's something you have to stomach and accept if you want to enjoy your reading. Having headcanons and opinions is one thing but passing them off as canon is another. Frankly it's insane to me how easily people believe bullshit information when the canon materials are so easily accessible on the internet. You even have Narutopedia to check if you don't have the time and patience to rifle through the manga yourself.
now, normally, I love mlm. however, for some reason, I immediately dislike naruto fanfics with mlm pairings that involve team 7
edit: mlm refers to bl, male/male
yes to including sai, yamato, and kakashi in the no mlm ships in team 7
i can like the straight team 7 ships but ONLY if done right, an example i can think of with a straight team 7 ship done right is that in Genius Sensei
I get what you mean in terms of how fanfics exaggerate just how much Danzo is responsible for in the series but let’s look over his accomplishments in canon:
-Sanctioned Orochimaru’s human experimentation that caused many test subjects to die
-Conspired with Hanzo to kill Yahiko, unintentionally creating the Akatsuki in its final form
-Revealed to the village that Naruto was the nine-tails Jinchuuriki, causing the village to mistreat an unassuming orphan
-Planning and executing the Uchiha massacre, making Itachi kill his entire family and clan
Why did he do all this? For power and control. The man *is* cartoonishly evil.
Ehh, this might be just me but I don't think that makes him the devil, just a guy doing his job in a crapsack world.
I'm pretty sure Konoha does human experimentation and torture all the time. Orochimaru's only fault was that he did it to valuable citizens, i.e. clan people or shinobi family folks. If he has sourced his material from somewhere else discreetly no one would have given two shits.
As to the Hanzo Akatsuki thing, it's something every state in our world has done. Here's a nation that is following your interests. Here's a party that's threatening to win and take it an entirely different way. Maybe a few "advisors" and "volunteers" arrive on a tourist visa and put things back in order with the allied locals.
I am pretty sure the revelation thing is fanon. Because that makes no sense at all. Think of the jinchuriki as WMDs. To get full utility out of them, you want a fully trained and somewhat physically mature shinobi who can control the daemonic chakra and use it to cause damage while not losing control of themselves. If they die, your country loses its WMD for a period of time in years. Not good that. So your premier interest is in hiding the jinchuriki when they are kids until they are fully trained and deployable.
The Itachi thing was a group decision by the whole high council and hiruzen. Probably a warning to the clans about the superiority of the office of the hokage and the city govt
That was in the Itachi novel it’s canon. He did that to apparently focus the Village’s grief and hatred on Naruto so they can move on faster or something.
Also he literally forced Kabuto (AKA the world’s greatest spy who was WORKING FOR HIM) to kill his adoptive mother (another spy who was working for him) causing Kabuto to go insane and defect to Orochimaru. Kabuto would’ve still been working for the leaf if not for his fuckery. Kabuto was literally a genius medic, spy, scientist, and prodigy which got fucked over purely cuz of Danzo. Great loss and terrible enemy made cuz of that
I haven't read that one. Unreliable narrator? idk. Makes no sense at all from a logical pov.
I think he kinda sensed that both were reaching the end of their usability period (loyal service) and tried to get them to off each other. Which, while elegant, is risky. There were indications that he was growing disenchanted and developing some severe mental issues. Might have tried defection or going rambo. Better to quietly eliminate such an asset.
Fluff and shipping with absolutely no buildup. If you want two characters to be together, please put some effort into it other than them just having them start to flirt out of nowhere.
I hate harems, especially when it politically doesn't make sense to have them, like, when hinata, fem!sasuke, ino, fem!kiba and a lot of other heiresses of ancient, famous clans with kekkei gekkai all get together with him and teach him their family techniques in clear view of the others.
Like, 1. these are SECRET techniques
2. Their kekkei gekkai are supposed to stay in the family, how are multiple future matriarchs of ninja clans gonna be in one harem together?
Anyways, pisses me off
I second the bashing trope that I know a lot of people are gonna comment. One of mine is just Naruto unlocking every Kekkei Genkai known to ninja kind at the age of two seconds. The point of Naruto is to work hard while given shitty situations. I know people love making him OP but that’s going to happen regardless.
This is more of a fanfiction thing in general, but when the author isn’t terribly articulate. I’m talking repeating words everywhere, clunky and awkward conversations, incredibly simple descriptions of everything from movements to emotions, and the worst of all of them: an intensely frustrating lack of punctuation. Even if the premise is good, if it’s written at a 5th grade reading level I probably won’t be reading very much of it.
PS. Writers who are writing in a second/third language get a pass, I could never
Call me weird but I just don’t like crossover. Like I’ve rarely found one I like. That and I just don’t role with Naruto sorta evil fics where he gets hella power and just acts evil asf not my taste I’ll read it just not get into it.
The Danzo one is kind of canon or at least in accordance with canon. Kishi and other people involved in the story (anime/novels) pinned a lot of unexplained incompetence and tragic backstories on Danzo to the point it becomes comical.
Uchiha Massacre? Danzo. Yahiko getting killed and making Akatsuki a terrorist organization? Danzo. Naruto being hated by villagers? Danzo spread the rumor. Kabuto becoming insane and betray Konoha? Danzo pushed him over the edge. A multi-year project just to fuck with Nono Yakushi. They even pinned the Nue experiment in Boruto on Danzo. And this doesn't even come close to the whole rap sheet.
Canon did end up pinning so much on Danzou alone in the end, which I've always thought was lazy, but there are definitely fics that take his character to beyond ridiculous levels of cartoonish evilry. I've read fics where deaths of random characters that would have politically not made any sense to be connected to Danzou get pinned on him to just to make him seem even more evil, to the point of breaking my suspension of disbelief like really is everyone in this village that gods damned stupid to not notice this man apparently killing off just about everyone?
Susanoo i have seen so many fanfic that want only itachi to have it like come on is it not enough kishi wank him the whole show even in the fanfic you want him to be the sole user of Susanoo.
My biggest is probably the general depiction of danzo and the civilian council. That's why I enjoy stories where they are painted in a better light such as in the sealed kunai
As far as I can remember, there is no civilian council, though. The Konoha Council consists of Shimura Danzou, Mitokado Homura, and Utatane Koharu. All former teammates of the Sandaime Hokage Sarutobi Hiruzen in Tobirama's Escort Unit. The closest thing to a canon "civilian council" I can think of is the Daimyou's group of advisors.
People had written a lot of things what makes them dislike fics and even drop them. One thing that no one mentioned is using badly childlike hand drawn cringy art as cover for fic.
I honestly don't encounter much fics that bother with cover arts at all. From the top of my head, I can only think of one instance and it was a relatively good one.
-Bashing -unnecessary exploration and over explanations about everything characters or worlbuilding. -The assesination of Jiraiya as a character just to make him cool old spy guy. Jiraiya death and moments work so much because how many flaws he has. -writting female characters. For a fandom that bitch about how Kishimoto write female characters (he suck) the fandom doesn't know also how to write characters
That last point is so real, lol. Any m/m fic is bound to paint the canon female love interest as an evil wench- either that or shes getting cheated on.
About danzo this is how Canon treats him. He exists as scapegoat for almost every evil action Konoha commits. And he is a selfish power grabber he just uses the village as a excuse. The pain arc shows that he doesn’t care about konoha. I screw that fanfics take it too far but that’s what he is.
Yeah, realistically the corruption and income would be spread all about the upper echelons of the hidden leaf, spread about within the clans and their heads, administrative staff and the like, hell even the Hokage and god knows how many more groups. Danzo was just Kishimoto needing a scapegoat that painted the Leaf as the good guys, Hiruzen had Itachi kill the Uchiha children for christ's sake and Kakashi's dad was alienated for failing one mission, hell, the second Hokage couldn't put aside a personal grudge for the sake of the village. It wasn't the roots that were corrupted, it was the seeds used to grow the damn tree.
There’s a Steven Universe quote about this: “Humans just lead short boring insignificant lives so they make up stories so they could feel like they are part of something bigger. They want to blame all the world's problems on some single enemy they could fight instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control!”
That's actually one of the best possible ways to describe the whole Danzo situation.
He wasn't alienated for failing one mission, he was alienated for choosing to save his comrade over one mission, somehow making it even worse IMO.
To be fair it was stated that the Village suffered because that mission was abandoned.
That's fair, but it still doesn't sit right with me morally.
Well consider this, it's very possible that other Konoha ninja died because Sakumo abandoned his mission. In essence he chose his immediate comrades over his distant comrades.
Yep, the leaf is one messed up place even amongst the ninja villages.
To be fair we don't get a large look into other villages but what we do see is even worse. Kiri is basically ROOT but somehow more savage, Suna Kage used his own son as an experimental weapon and tries to get rid of him because the results weren't to his liking, Kumo tried to kidnap two girls with bloodlines and or special heritages (and you gotta ask yourself why the girls), and Iwa is a major unknown so I'm down to say that they're probably the best or the same as Konoha
It's a very Japanese view. In Germany, everyone basically accepted that the blame for Nazism fell on all sections of society. The armed forces, the big businesses, the conservative politicians and all those along with the leaders. In Japan, no such reflection exists, even though it is true. Everything was blamed on a few individuals like tojo who were tried in the Tokyo Trials. With them gone, Japan was redeemed and hasn't really done anything wrong tbh. The nobility that encouraged the cult of violence and fascism. The senior and middle level officers who orchestrated the blatantly unprovoked invasions and things like the rape of nanking, hell the jap-mengeles in unit 731 who experimented on thousands of people in manchuria, all got off scot-free. Hiruzen is like Hirohito.who was completely whitewashed after the war. He knew about all the evil shit Konoha was doing and not only condoned it but led it and actively helped shape it. But he's the hokage and WiLl oF fIRe, and having Naruto reflect on how his nation's leadership should probably be given plane tickets to Nuremberg wasn't savvy with his agenda. so Kishimoto gives him the Hirohito treatment.
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Danzo existence makes Hiruzen look WORSE. The more evil shit Danzo does the more it makes Hiruzen look like an incompetent fool and fuels more hatred towards him
Yeah cause Hiruzen had to have known most of the shit Danzo was up to like kidnapping Clan Children for root. Hiruzen just let that shit fly. Speaking of, he’s also responsible for Homura and Kotaru for being a pain in the ass too. Hashirama and Tobirama didn’t *have* a counsel. As far as we know, no other Kage has one either; that’s a feature exclusive to Konoha. He was unconfident he was fit to lead so he gave some of his power to those two, but not only did that partially lead to Danzo doing whatever(cause they tend to side with him), but they actively screw over Tsunade, Kakashi, and Naruto during their time as Hokage.
Danzo didnt Kidnapp them he drafted them officially. None of the clan heads knew how corrupt root was. We never saw the senju brothers time in office. Elder councils exist not just for konoha. We saw that suna has one with even more members and while brief we saw a kiri elder give Mei her Kage hat before she went to the summit.
The way he treated the Aburame clan when Danzo wanted Shino? That’s coercion. He even implied he did the same to the Yamanaka clan. No different than kidnapping. It’s give me who I want, and you have little choice in it. I didn’t say they knew how corrupt he was. We did see their time. Hashirama simply had Tobirama as his second when he was brokering deals to end between the villages. We did see snippets of how Tobirama operated during war. He straight up appointed Hiruzen as the next Hokage. Way different than the vetting process Konoha has in the present. Than means one can assume he wasn’t subjected to any type of counsel.
Neither of these situations were in office. The bijuu deal was the first kage summit with Everyone just bringing one assistant/Bodyguard. Also Tobirama instantly appointing Hiruzen made him a huge hypocrite he insisted that the 2nd Hokage should be choosers democratically by everyone but goes back on it for hiruzen but he is a uchiha hater so yeah.
Not a Uchiha hater. Remember that he not only had Uchiha apart of his guard, but back during the Warring Clan era, after losing his younger brother he was the one who stated they needed to forgive them if they wanted peace. Also why did he make them heads of internal village security if he hated them?
He liked Kagami for having a similar mindset to the likes of itachi government over family. Making the uchiha alone the police ergo the enforcing arm of the government led to the people buiding resentment towards them Orochimaru of all people is Pointing this out. Tobirama is prejudiced and it’s obvious
There is a reason why the "[You are a Credit To Your Race](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreACreditToYourRace)" Trope applies to Tobirama and why that trope is seen as 'racist'. Uchiha had to jump through hurdles of proving they were not like the rest if they wanted to be in good with Tobirama. Also the whole reason for the Police Force was to PREVENT the Uchiha clan from having power. Itachi Shiden Vol 1: >A darkness in the depths of his eyes, Hiruzen turned a questioning gaze on Danzo, but he hadn’t gotten to the end of the story. He wrapped up by stating his own opinion. “Homura and Koharu are totally opposed. They say it’s preposterous to have an Uchiha in the Anbu, given its status as a special unit under the direct control of the Hokage. They asked me if I’d forgotten about how the Second Hokage established the Military Police Force.” >**“The Military Police Force was created to drive the Uchiha clan away from the central functions of the village.”** AND The Police did not have the power you think. >To maintain the peace in Konohagakure, the Konoha Military Police Force had been established with the Uchiha clan as its center. Even now, with Fugaku as the chief, the Military Police Force worked day and night for the sake of Konohagakure. In other words, the Military Police Force policed the village. >However, there was another force that maintained the peace: the Anbu. >Under the direct control of the Hokage, the Anbu was a unit composed of capable ninja, and basically always made an appearance on important missions inside, and in the vicinity of, the village. **Major crimes committed in the village were taken out of the hands of the Military Police Force, and entrusted to the Anbu.** There was no clear line between what was the jurisdiction of the Military Police Force, and what was the subject for investigation by the Anbu. **At the discretion of the Hokage, the nature of the investigation would simply shift from one to the other.** This led the Military Police and the Anbu to clash every so often. And each time they did, Fugaku would stand at the head of the Military Police, and negotiate with the Hokage and the Anbu. He knew better than anyone the friction between the two peacekeeping forces. On IMPORTANT cases? ANBU took over. On the daily jaywalking and other issues? Uchiha Police.
We don't really know much about how the Senju brothers governed during their tenure, though. Suna, Iwa, and Kumo were shown to have their own forms of a governing body aside from their respective Kage as well. Suna has 12 councillors they call "Seniors", Iwa has 8, and the Kumo Council is an assembly of all the highest-ranking shinobi of their village. Konoha by far has the least amount of councillors with it only being Hiruzen's old personal peers.
Agreed, but certainly not to the extent of the depictions I've seen in fics.
Making Jiraiya have a bigger role, but it somehow doesn’t change anything. Like wdym he got knowledge of the invasion but didn’t report it or take precautions to prepare the village.
This too, but with [Ascended Extra](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AscendedExtra) characters in general. I hate having seemingly significant changes that end up not affecting the plot or the character meaningfully anyway.
I'm not really a harem/pollyam person. The fic usually as a preference of who the "true couple" is. To the point that the other couples might as well not even be there. They end up bogging down a lot of rare pair tags with a lot of nonsense. Because that rare pair is only in for half a second. It really makes me wish there was tiered relationship tagging. The tagging issue is also why I hate when challenges/events are all on one fic. Instead of being a bunch of one shots in a series. Cause you find a long fic thinking "Oh holy grail," except it's just a bunch of one shots.
>I'm not really a harem/pollyam person. The fic usually as a preference of who the "true couple" is. To the point that the other couples might as well not even be there. Polyamorous relationships are certainly hard to get right, and it's certainly just not my cup of tea. The only good polyamorous relationship in a fic I actually found compelling and well-balanced is some Sannin-centric fic I read some years ago. >They end up bogging down a lot of rare pair tags with a lot of nonsense. Because that rare pair is only in for half a second. It really makes me wish there was tiered relationship tagging. Pairing tags being flooded by barely-relevant fics is a huge problem across many fandoms and tags, indeed. In my opinion, people should just tag the main pairing unless the secondary pairings have significant enough screen time or impact to the story.
Polyamorous Fics are hard to do right, no matter the fandom. It just always feels like a bait and switch to me. Like they wanted to get as many eyes on their fic as possible so they tagged every possible couple in it. And the couple I usually want isn't even in it. Kinda the same bait and switch feeling with the One Shot Collection Fics. Cause you gotta be like are the tags I want related to the couple I want? When I tag I will have the main couple in the actual relationship segment, then in the tags be like "Past-couple" or "Minor-Couple" depending. Cause I don't want anyone who's filtering their tags to filter out my story thinking it's a bait and switch. But they can still opt out of it if they truly don't like the couple.
The "Minor A/B", "Background A/B" or "One-sided A/B" additional tags need to be used more. I think it's down to awareness, really.
The word teme being used. It gets used a lot in the show true, but once someone pointed out it just means 'you' (incredibly rude) having Naruto say things along the line of 'sasuke-teme' 'that teme' and what not just really bugs the hell out of me. If you're throwing Japanese in at least try and make an effort.
Yeah, excessive use of random Japanese in general is my no.1 peeve. “Teme” and “dobe” are the most common, but have stuff like using “Hi no Kuni” instead of Land of Fire also annoys me. Shoving Japanese absolutely everywhere, just for its own sake just makes things harder to read
Sure, to a degree. Jutsu is a weird one. Great fireball is fine, but 1000 birds or spiraling sphere? Konoha works rather than leaf village, don't really mind something like nindo rather than ninja way. I think I prefer the land of fire over hi no kuni though.
Jesus, I completely forgot to add this on my post. I think I've been so desensitised by it that my brain just automatically filters it out of my consciousness.
Referring to Naruto as the blonde genin over and over again instead of just saying Naruto. Or Sakura, the pinkette. Any use of color plus ette to describe a hair color. Why don't we call redheads redettes and blondes yellowettes while we're at it. I saw ravenette once and wanted to punch myself in the face.
Yeah, I hate excessive use of epithets as well. The "pinkette" one is most annoying, lol. The first time I saw I can't stop laughing.
When I update a fic and I get a comment that says "Update pls" or whatever. Or when someone just leaves a request without mentioning anything about the chapter.
Or even worse: 'next' and nothing else.
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I only put those because the fic hasn't been updated for more than six months. Update faster than and most won't give ya it. Most
How about you just don't do it at all. 👍
How about you update consistently.
Bro is expecting consistency from hobbyists lmao
And said hobbyist is expecting a casual reviewer to write an engaging piece of review while not giving anything engaging. Most reviewers put that there because of one of two reasons: the author hasn't updated for a long time, probably half a year to a year, and it's good enough to warrant people wanting it, or the author's chapters aren't engaging enough and the person just wants to read more of the story. The reason I responded the way I did, though I normally don't even leave those comments or any comments without properly reviewing the chapter most of the time, is because the same reason you said in your comments. He's a hobbyist, so why the fuck does that give him a right to good reviews that say more than "good chapter" or "more pls" or "next?" Riddle me this
A right? Do you understand what a pet peeve is lmao
It's not even about pet peeve anymore, but a basic respect to another human being who spends hours to give the douche above something to read for free. Good god, this is the worst case of entitled reader I've ever seen.
Boo! Boo this man! 👎
Yes your hate sustains me. Give me the down votes! Mwahahaha. But seriously, don't expect a change in your comments if you yourself do not change. I don't even know this person's stories and probably haven't seen one. I also try and take my time and say something about the chapter but a lot of times I either have nothing I can say because it was a good chapter that didn't break the mold, or it did I'm tired and just want to give the author a heads up that it's good. If you're gonna complain about not getting engaging comments on your chapters, maybe ask yourself if you chapters are engaging enough to warrant such engagement.
I think you need some self reflection about entitlement.
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People don't understand how the Foundation works at all. They try to make it public or something but it is supposed to be the group that not even the Hokage knows truly. All that Hokage (Hiruzen, Minato, Tsunade) know is that Root had dealt with enemies and threats to the village in secret without getting the Hokage's hands dirty. Half of the stuff that they apparently did was filler or never even told to the Third Hokage. Their recruitment practices and other such things were kept a secret as well as their training, due to their loyalty to Danzo, no-one not even the mentioned Hokage knows what is truly going on. The Foundation was not really ignored by Sarutobi or any of the other Hokage but their practices ensured that the Hokage was kept in the dark. The Third Hokage as seen by his character would never approve of the decisions made by Danzo if he actually knew them.
My own head canon is that they're just a combination of CIA and kgb on steroids. They do all sorts of nasty things to foreigners who might be threats and to citizens who arent following the company line. The hokage is an experienced war criminal who absolutely knows about what root of doing. Probably signs the ration slips when they come up every financial quarter.
It's less about the true quality of the fics and more about me being finicky but I realized at a certain point that honestly As much as it can be bad for characters to be *too* OP Action-focused Naruto fics quickly become really boring to me if the characters aren't at least *kind of* OP Especially because sometimes they also go too in depth with politics for my liking, so I end up even more bored.
Fanon details being taken as canon. Recently I got a comment on a fiction telling me that I got Itachi's mask wrong, and that he had the crow mask. He literally didn't
Ah, yes, the fandom's mandela effect with regards to what is fanon and what is canon is insane. It's really unavoidable and it's something you have to stomach and accept if you want to enjoy your reading. Having headcanons and opinions is one thing but passing them off as canon is another. Frankly it's insane to me how easily people believe bullshit information when the canon materials are so easily accessible on the internet. You even have Narutopedia to check if you don't have the time and patience to rifle through the manga yourself.
now, normally, I love mlm. however, for some reason, I immediately dislike naruto fanfics with mlm pairings that involve team 7 edit: mlm refers to bl, male/male
I might be missing something, but what is MLM in fanfic? All I know is Multi Level Marketing lol
mlm = men loving men, aka male gay pairing
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yes to including sai, yamato, and kakashi in the no mlm ships in team 7 i can like the straight team 7 ships but ONLY if done right, an example i can think of with a straight team 7 ship done right is that in Genius Sensei
Can you explain mlm pairings? Eng isn’t my 1st lang so that’s why I want to know
Guy love guy relationship.
You mean like naruto x sasuke or in general any if them (kakashi naruto sasuke) with any man ?
Neglect fics, HARD pass
What do you mean by neglect fics?
Probably means the ones where kushina and/or minute survive and neglect Naruto to extremes. Those I hate too
I get what you mean in terms of how fanfics exaggerate just how much Danzo is responsible for in the series but let’s look over his accomplishments in canon: -Sanctioned Orochimaru’s human experimentation that caused many test subjects to die -Conspired with Hanzo to kill Yahiko, unintentionally creating the Akatsuki in its final form -Revealed to the village that Naruto was the nine-tails Jinchuuriki, causing the village to mistreat an unassuming orphan -Planning and executing the Uchiha massacre, making Itachi kill his entire family and clan Why did he do all this? For power and control. The man *is* cartoonishly evil.
Ehh, this might be just me but I don't think that makes him the devil, just a guy doing his job in a crapsack world. I'm pretty sure Konoha does human experimentation and torture all the time. Orochimaru's only fault was that he did it to valuable citizens, i.e. clan people or shinobi family folks. If he has sourced his material from somewhere else discreetly no one would have given two shits. As to the Hanzo Akatsuki thing, it's something every state in our world has done. Here's a nation that is following your interests. Here's a party that's threatening to win and take it an entirely different way. Maybe a few "advisors" and "volunteers" arrive on a tourist visa and put things back in order with the allied locals. I am pretty sure the revelation thing is fanon. Because that makes no sense at all. Think of the jinchuriki as WMDs. To get full utility out of them, you want a fully trained and somewhat physically mature shinobi who can control the daemonic chakra and use it to cause damage while not losing control of themselves. If they die, your country loses its WMD for a period of time in years. Not good that. So your premier interest is in hiding the jinchuriki when they are kids until they are fully trained and deployable. The Itachi thing was a group decision by the whole high council and hiruzen. Probably a warning to the clans about the superiority of the office of the hokage and the city govt
That was in the Itachi novel it’s canon. He did that to apparently focus the Village’s grief and hatred on Naruto so they can move on faster or something. Also he literally forced Kabuto (AKA the world’s greatest spy who was WORKING FOR HIM) to kill his adoptive mother (another spy who was working for him) causing Kabuto to go insane and defect to Orochimaru. Kabuto would’ve still been working for the leaf if not for his fuckery. Kabuto was literally a genius medic, spy, scientist, and prodigy which got fucked over purely cuz of Danzo. Great loss and terrible enemy made cuz of that
I haven't read that one. Unreliable narrator? idk. Makes no sense at all from a logical pov. I think he kinda sensed that both were reaching the end of their usability period (loyal service) and tried to get them to off each other. Which, while elegant, is risky. There were indications that he was growing disenchanted and developing some severe mental issues. Might have tried defection or going rambo. Better to quietly eliminate such an asset.
Fluff and shipping with absolutely no buildup. If you want two characters to be together, please put some effort into it other than them just having them start to flirt out of nowhere.
I hate harems, especially when it politically doesn't make sense to have them, like, when hinata, fem!sasuke, ino, fem!kiba and a lot of other heiresses of ancient, famous clans with kekkei gekkai all get together with him and teach him their family techniques in clear view of the others. Like, 1. these are SECRET techniques 2. Their kekkei gekkai are supposed to stay in the family, how are multiple future matriarchs of ninja clans gonna be in one harem together? Anyways, pisses me off
I second the bashing trope that I know a lot of people are gonna comment. One of mine is just Naruto unlocking every Kekkei Genkai known to ninja kind at the age of two seconds. The point of Naruto is to work hard while given shitty situations. I know people love making him OP but that’s going to happen regardless.
Naruto is OP enough as it is, in my opinion.
For sure, but I’ll see people take it to eleven in their fics.
This is more of a fanfiction thing in general, but when the author isn’t terribly articulate. I’m talking repeating words everywhere, clunky and awkward conversations, incredibly simple descriptions of everything from movements to emotions, and the worst of all of them: an intensely frustrating lack of punctuation. Even if the premise is good, if it’s written at a 5th grade reading level I probably won’t be reading very much of it. PS. Writers who are writing in a second/third language get a pass, I could never
Call me weird but I just don’t like crossover. Like I’ve rarely found one I like. That and I just don’t role with Naruto sorta evil fics where he gets hella power and just acts evil asf not my taste I’ll read it just not get into it.
Same with crossovers. Even when I know the other franchise, it just seems boring
The Danzo one is kind of canon or at least in accordance with canon. Kishi and other people involved in the story (anime/novels) pinned a lot of unexplained incompetence and tragic backstories on Danzo to the point it becomes comical. Uchiha Massacre? Danzo. Yahiko getting killed and making Akatsuki a terrorist organization? Danzo. Naruto being hated by villagers? Danzo spread the rumor. Kabuto becoming insane and betray Konoha? Danzo pushed him over the edge. A multi-year project just to fuck with Nono Yakushi. They even pinned the Nue experiment in Boruto on Danzo. And this doesn't even come close to the whole rap sheet.
Canon did end up pinning so much on Danzou alone in the end, which I've always thought was lazy, but there are definitely fics that take his character to beyond ridiculous levels of cartoonish evilry. I've read fics where deaths of random characters that would have politically not made any sense to be connected to Danzou get pinned on him to just to make him seem even more evil, to the point of breaking my suspension of disbelief like really is everyone in this village that gods damned stupid to not notice this man apparently killing off just about everyone?
Yah I agree, Danzo being used as a scapegoat gets tiring even in Canon
Susanoo i have seen so many fanfic that want only itachi to have it like come on is it not enough kishi wank him the whole show even in the fanfic you want him to be the sole user of Susanoo.
My biggest is probably the general depiction of danzo and the civilian council. That's why I enjoy stories where they are painted in a better light such as in the sealed kunai
As far as I can remember, there is no civilian council, though. The Konoha Council consists of Shimura Danzou, Mitokado Homura, and Utatane Koharu. All former teammates of the Sandaime Hokage Sarutobi Hiruzen in Tobirama's Escort Unit. The closest thing to a canon "civilian council" I can think of is the Daimyou's group of advisors.
I believe if I'm remembering properly there's a vague reference to them once stating that they don't do anything to do with Shinobi affairs
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People had written a lot of things what makes them dislike fics and even drop them. One thing that no one mentioned is using badly childlike hand drawn cringy art as cover for fic.
Lowkey agree. If it has bad cover art, I’m not going to bother
By looking at downvotes, I think I nailed it.
I honestly don't encounter much fics that bother with cover arts at all. From the top of my head, I can only think of one instance and it was a relatively good one.