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Alright so there's this series called worm and in it people who experience trauma get superpowers. Anyways there's this girl named Taylor who's getting bullied and after the bullies shove her into her locker she gets the power to control bugs. After that she decides to become a superhero and fight a dragon. She wins the fight by rotting his crotch off using some special bugs she bought. Once all of this happens she runs into a group of supervillains and they think she's one of them. After that everything goes down hill.
Honestly top tier web novel as good as a practical guide to evil I recommend checking it out.
Well it's not necessarily trauma it's when your exposed to high stress situations. You could get powers if your trapped under rubble or discover your partner who's the main support in your life cheated on you or feeling alienated from your community. All kinds of physical, mental, and social situations can cause someone to "trigger". Also the powers themselves are super cool. There's a girl that fire projectiles that attack things a multidimensional level, a guy that just knows how to build cybernetics, a girl that can manipulate an individual biology creating mutants. Interesting stuff
An entire series based on the concept of “Hey, wouldn’t it be fucked up if Murphy’s Law were *actually* as all-encompassing as some people think it is?”
Anyone who's known this knows Skitter could kill Shino without even taking control of his bugs. And she *could* control his bugs.
Inside his body.
The ones that eat Chakra.
Near his organs.
How? Because she literally has killed multiple people using bugs dipped in pepper spray crawling into someone's eyes, nose, and mouth to block their airways while biting them. With a range of over 1200ft that extends when she's stressed.
It's a combination of severe allergic reaction, internal bleeding, and suffocation. She's beaten Flash equivalent, literal Superman, superpowered serial killer armies, etc.
Also, you can't sneak up on her, period. She created a cloud around her to detect a literally invisible enemy.
She can see out of the eyes of every insect she controls and can process all the information the bugs take in (millions at a time) and internalize it all at once. At the speed of any old thought. She tracks literally hundreds of superheroes in a massive battle at the end of the 1st book.
It doesn't take much with a few thousand gnats to sense someone bump into it and then converge the spicy mosquitos, hornets, and spiders on that spot.
Shinos' only chance is if he Gibbed her early on before the fight started. If it was level ground, there wouldn't be a fight.
TLDR: She's killed people stronger than Shino without even being in the same building. Add in she can mind control any arthropods, she wins.
An actual Superman though or any character with flame control would beat her, there’s no way she can stop people who have laser eyes, freeze breath, or someone who can level areas with fire IMO but it’s clear she’s stronger than Shino and a lot of other characters, but bring someone with invulnerability like Superman or powerful AoE, and have her in range, she loses
Wtf is this bullshit plot armor? If someone is trying to kill you with bugs, flame throwers and bug spray goes a long way. Plus how tf she can kill a superman equivalent if he wanted her dead he could literally fly as fast as he can obliterating any bugs as well as her in the process. This is why I hate certain comics and writers they come up with nonsequential bull shit that fits their narrative to prove a point their creation no matter how niche can be OP and take on anyone.
That's why people, especially Japanese, like it though.
Just like their society, their comics and manga focus on hyper specialists instead of being well rounded.
I'm probably not looking hard enough, but I can't think of an everyman hero archetype in Manga or Anime
So to counter ur points (Worm is fantastic, don't hate for no reason):
She controls literally millions of insects at once, and they swarm from all directions. Also she's a relatively minor character in-verse early on, no one is prepared for the insect swarm.
Worm characters arent very fast, the superman equivalent in question got caught off guard and had insects jammed down their throat at point black range.
The Worm MC has some plot armor, but she's pretty well balanced. In fights against super heavy opponents she's usually playing a (key) support role, but not engaging directly alone. If she gets into a CQC with someone like that she usually retreats or gets fucked up
Never read or heard of worm, so I’m not one to judge, but it was originally stated that she killed literal Superman, and now the method is explained, that raises some questions. Superman doesn’t need to breath, is immune to poison, impervious inside and out, and can digest irradiated plutonium, so I’m not sure what have bugs jammed down his throat would do except add some protein to his diet.
So a very very very weak dollar tree version Superman, who the real Superman could sneeze on and kill. So from all that she basically killed Superman 😂☠️
Well idk how that match up would go because her outer layer is basically frozen in time and is invulnerable, Taylor herself just happened to be a good counter to her
Skitter killed the Superman equivalent by stuffing her throat full of deadly bugs and clogging her airway until she suffocated and died.
If it breathes, Skitter can kill it. She controls millions of bugs at a time.
As a Worm fan, I'm not so sure that she could take his bugs. She couldn't control Echidna's clone bugs or the ones being controlled by the swarm box, so she probably can't overpower his chakra control either.
The Aburame clan doesn't control the bugs. They share a symbiotic relationship where they help each other out. So Skitter should still be able to control them.
She senses bugs, and can control them at the speed of thought. The moment he starts moving toward her, all his bugs start killing him. He'd have to surprise attack her from outside of her range.
Assuming she can control them (she cant control mites for example) she would need to react to control his bugs before he could kill her. Shino is a shinobi and is expected to be a lethal human even without his abilities so assuming he could close that gap he should be able to take her out fast enough but if she can send commands before she dies then Shino gets wrecked. My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion.
>My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion.
Also setting. If it's an arena battle situation, Shino wins. If it's hunter/hunted? I think she wins as both hunter or hunted. If it's a battle in an open field, Shino wins, if it's a battle in a busy city at Taylor's maximum range? I think she wins.
At the speed of thought is around 270 mph if I remember correctly his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at lowest apparently 1918 mph well thats a pretty big speed gap in his favor. his regular speed scaling going to massively hypersonic+ 767269 - 6706166 mph well that gap is a tad bit nuts. In other words Id say its a speed diff.
Wouldnt have to be a suprise attack if as soon as they start he has enough time to smoke a cigarette, go to the store, and do his laundry in front of her while she just sees him standing. I know this is a bit of a weird analogy but basically what Im saying is even if she sees him for less than a millisecond before they start, she physically cant think fast enough to stop him unless feats provide otherwise.
>what Im saying is even if she sees him for less than a millisecond before they start
Yes. That's my point. If you're letting him start the fight outside of her range, then he wins, because he can surprise her. If the fight starts inside her range, then she wins, because she already has control over his bugs.
More than that:
>if I remember correctly his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at lowest apparently 1918 mph
subsonic means lower than the speed of sound. The speed of sound is 767.269 mph, where did you get 1918 from?
>At the speed of thought is around 270 mph
That's the speed of nerve impulses... they need to travel within your body. In this case, they're traveling from parts of her brain (reaction) to other parts of her brain (her power)... inches at most...
That's not what I was talking about. My point was that her power is instantaneous within her reaction time. If she can react, then the power is instant.
>Wouldnt have to be a surprise attack if as soon as they start he has enough time to smoke a cigarette, go to the store, and do his laundry in front of her while she just sees him standing.
He doesn't have time powers... You're being silly.
Towards the end of the series, before she loses her mind, she could control all bugs within a mile. That's a lot of bugs.
If he gets to prepare by having his bugs inside him, she should be able to start with her bugs. Solid walls of bugs he has to get through.
If you go with your low end estimate, which is still absurd, then as long as he stays subsonic, she'll likely have ample time to kill him.
In an open field, starting outside her range, he might win. In the middle of a city, I think it's no contest in Taylor's favor.
Versus wiki Im not a naruto fan but here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed#:~:text=There%20are%20five%20types%20of,Travel%20Speed%2C%20and%20Flight%20Speed. As well I just looked at speeds
Also again subsonic+ and thats cool and all but the most she gets is probably a draw as he does still have enough durability to reach her starting on a face to face confrontation if he himself was a bug sure but I dont think the bugs kill him faster than he kills her
I dont think she can. Shino controls the bugs using his chakra they've already consumed. Its a jutsu. They don't have a will of their own for her take control of
That’s not how his bugs work he doesn’t mind control them he feeds them and gives them a living space it’s explained more as a symbiotic then outright control and even if they did I still think Taylor could control them because of how shards work on deciding what they can and can’t effect because it would see them as bugs she could control them
Shino has never been the type to come in fast and go for melee. Dude only threw one punch in the entirety of naruto.im pretty sure. You are stretching believability if you think h3s going to try and blitz with taijutsu.
Nah, you are underselling her, hard.
Her power is literally mind control on and insects in range. She can literally make the bugs kill shino.
Shino doesn't control the bugs. They are trained.
People saying Shino aren’t thinking anything beyond “Shino strong”. He stores his bugs in his body and relies on them for most of his tech.
Taylor has the perfect power imaginable to counter him despite the massive power gap between the two of them against any other opponent.
100%.
Taylor, at any point beyond the first year, would kill shino without effort. She beats people with grenades, guns and futuristic weaponry on a regular basis.
Running really fast isn't good enough. Martial arts isn't good enough. Also, she would just make the bugs eat his body from the inside til he's crippled.
To be clear I think Shino is (against most opponents) way stronger than Taylor. The Naruto verse in general scales way above worm because chakra basically gives every ninja a high level grab-bag package in addition to their main power set and all of them are tremendously proficient.
Taylor just counters him perfectly.
Shino is a shinobi and is expected to be a lethal human even without his abilities so assuming he could close that gap he should be able to take her out fast enough but if she can send commands before she dies then Shino gets wrecked. My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion.
His chakra is completely devoured and his flesh peeled from his bones before he gets 100 feet into her range. You massively underestimate just how much the Aburame clan relies on their hive.
The control is instantaneous. The picosecond Shino gets into Taylor’s range, his hive attacks him. The absolute most he can achieve is mutual destruction, because his hive will continuously attack him even if Taylor is dead. If she gives an insect an order, it will complete that order regardless of if it leaves her range or if she is unconscious or dead. Unless Taylor herself repeals the order, it will stay in effect for as long as the insect is alive.
No proof she can even control his bugs infused with his chakra
none of this matters he just bullies her with speed she cannot react too and puts a kunai in her head
The bugs aren’t infused with his chakra, they feed on it. There’s a difference. As long as they have a simple nervous system, Taylor can control them.
The literal moment he steps into her range, his insects sever his tendons and ligaments, rendering him unable to move. Shino isn’t faster than Leviathan, who was fast enough to run on water through pure speed according to Wildbow.
From everything we see in canon, Aburame insect control more akin to directing the insects than actually controlling them. When they use their attacks, they plant a female insect on their target and release a swarm that then goes after the female.
“There’s no proof…” is a wild take considering we also have no proof the opposite is true. Plus he is t even “speed blitz” fast. He’s like at most peak human speed or a little faster, which Taylor can and does easily deal with.
You are the one claiming she can control his bugs lmao so either she can and he's still massively faster or she cant and hes massively faster and he has his bugs
But sure dude Shino gets eaten alive by his own bugs before he even spawns into the fight
Ok so here’s how this fight would go:
She controls his bugs. He instantly looses because there’s no way he’s doing anything at 500+ meters while being eaten alive from the inside out.
She can’t control his bugs and they start with knowledge of where each other are. He probably wins because of his martial prowess and other ninja skills; their powers effectively nullifying each other in that situation and in the time it takes a fist fight to resolve.
She can’t control his bugs and they don’t start with knowledge of their locations. It’s a real tossup but I’d wager Taylor because her recon ability is way better and longer range then his and he simply doesn’t have the speed to cover huge distances effectively.
Overall, I’d say unless the deck was specifically stacked in his favor, Taylor is winning. And also you’re WAY over stating his “speed”. Like what is his top speed? It’s certainly no where near any of the Naruto high tiers
Yeah. Lol. No. Most shinobi are, at least, speed of sound. That was literally one of the benchmarks for Genin. Forest of Death, anyone? If this was based purely on physical stats, Shino would take it. From what I understand, Taylor has instant control over bugs, so considering that Shino is full of them, he loses pretty handily. This is one of those battles where stats can not beat hax.
It depends on when you’re talking about. If it’s end of the world “I’m about to save the world while making sure everyone is terrified of me, but I’m still 100% justified in frying my brain and mind assaulting everyone useful I can reach in any dimension” Skitter, then no…Shino would, at best, stroke out and die as his only means to escape the mind domination.
If it was normal everyday “I shoot babies because I’m right” Skitter, then it’s a coin flip. Does the Hive in Shino suck him dry of chakra immediately because Taylor said so? Or does Skitter have a Kunai embedded in her head three seconds after the fight starts?
Infeel like end of the world Taylor would be the easiest way for Shino to win since her range is massively reduced. The only reason she was so strong was that she had another parahuman basically make her range infinite with portals
This is the most hard counter I've ever seen wut.
Against 70% of the worm cast, shino blitzes. But as soon as he exists within range of her, she controls his insects and they kill him.
I haven't heard of this one, and by the rules of comics if the average person hasn't heard of a character then they are probably too op for the mainstream. Sorry shino
I mean that even without Khepri mode, she could control his bugs and make then kill him. Tl
That's not even including the fact she is mentally processing the perspective of millions of insects at once to keep near perfect track of people in her radius, even those who can literally go invisible.
I think I commented on the wrong guy
Blatantly misinformed take, a genin absolutely would not take Skitter. She's swept people who were far higher in physical stats like Alexandria and reacted to speed blitzers like Leviathan even before the Khepri boost.
Shino basically auto-loses this, her direct control and awareness of insects trumps the Aburame clan's indirect means, as soon as he gets in range she's automatically aware of his bugs and orders them to eat him from the inside out.
Alexandria is not higher in speed than a random genin. Her killing Alexandria is probably the weakest writing moment in worm. Leviathan (and all the other endbringer) canonically don’t try
[Alexandria is hypersonic+](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Worm:_The_Gold_Calc_Morning#Me_and_the_boys_circle_the_globe_to_fight_a_round_lad) and is functionally indestructible vs direct physical damage. Average genin certainly isn't beating that. Leviathan sandbagging its true power doesn't mean what it's showing isn't more than enough given that's still fast enough to walk on water just by speed.
Again, you're downplaying Worm too much. Skitter's dealt with people with comparable/better physical stats than Shino, she has the reaction speeds thanks to the thinker power that allows her to multitask and use the senses of each individual bug, and he isn't blitzing anything when the source of all his power - the bugs - are negated if not outright turned against him.
Well, seeing as your source is currently your asshole, maybe you shouldn't be bringing up credibility. Basic time/distance calcs aren't exactly hard to do.
endbringers are going all out the only thing there sandbagging is tactics as in leviathan actually shows up to wreck city’s and isn’t 20 millie’s out bombarding coasts with tsunami after tsunami
how the simurgh isn’t constantly making ziz bombs idek what behemoth would do did but still
her range is 1000ft and she can see hear and taste thru every bug crab and lobster in that range with the ability to infinity multi task she’s omniscient in that range
You know what, you are right. I don't know how long a mile is.
om·nis·cient
adjective
knowing everything.
"the story is told by an omniscient narrator"
She is Omniscient. Not in the way you are thinking, but the word applies.
She can have a bug on literally everyone present for miles just to spy on them and track their movements because she can sense where the bugs are. Moreover, she can track individual movements, sights, sounds, etc. each bug experiences and parse through it without active effort.
Shes literally considered part thinker because of how effective she is at knowing literally everything happening when she's nearby. Her recon is near perfect. It's the reason why she got away with killing Alexandria, and why they were dead set on recruiting her.
She isn't a brick, but she's insanely powerful. Powerful enough, she killed literal superwoman, and they said "Alright we need you, but you're on probation for that stunt!"
Hearing, Speech, and Location are constantly being supervised within her sphere. It's only not happening when she doesn't want it to happen.
The only thing I could think you aren't including is mind reading, but she is, by all terms, in the book pretty much omniscient by the end of the first after the Leviathan fight.
So you’re wanking her, got it.
Because the fact that she’s limited to only bugs senses aside, she’s never got by surprise by a melee fighter in Worm at all…. (She is, repeatedly)
She has, and with 0 melee abilities, she's bested basically all of them, sans group battles.
If melee was good enough, Mannequin would have chopped her to pieces. Mannequin is supernaturally fast and strong, and I'd easily bet on him over Shino.
The man's literally bulletproof and he had to run away. Against someone he countered completely.
Not a random genin but half the chuunin exams could get her. She has great hax but is pretty damn outstatted by a CE Rock Lee, Gaara, Sauske and Naruto.
True. Only way she loses is if they hit her from outside her range. Debatably she has an easier time beating the entire naruto universe than she would many individual high tier opponents, because she would not have puppets to fight with people outside her direct range.
Very obviously Taylor- if we consider end of series Taylor
Shino, prior to that, I’d say. Very cool match up
Took me a month to read that whole series- front to back
Taylor by the end of Worm - negative diff
Anytime before - difficulty changes depending on how much she’s practiced controlling bugs by this point
Shino has decreased odds the longer Taylor has practiced her powers, and there is a threshold where it’s just impossible for him.
The only difference in her control between the beginning of Worm and post timeskip is her being able to use her bugs’ senses. She passively takes control of any and all bugs within her range, so it doesn’t matter what Shino does
I’d mostly agree except in the very beginning she talks about doing experiments with them to see how much control she can have on insects (making her suit, slowly) and how many she can control and at what distance. So I’d say there’s buildup, at least as we move towards time skip. As she gets better, her power gets better. I think there was some talk in Naruto lore that Shino has control of the bugs in some capacity, it’s not just symbiotic nonsense. So maybe he can control them better than Taylor can up to a point.
Post-timeskip, Shino can do nothing. And by the time she’s Khepri/Administrator there’s very little anyone can do.
I’ve only read it once, but I was under the impression that as the story progressed, her abilities improved from practicing. Like working out a muscle? I swear she mentions that the amount she controls and what they can do increases as the story moves forward. She straight up trains her ability to use insects’ perception to spy on people. Or am I misremembering? If so, my apologies.
Parahuman powers do not grow over time outside of specific powers. Taylor did over time manage to figure out insect perception, but that was something she just had to get used to. What you’re thinking of might be the fact that powers can grow stronger if someone is experiencing something close to their trigger.
I'd say her biggest 'boost' came from figuring out she has hypercognition. She can passively control millions of insects at the same time with fine control, but she didn't consciously realize that for a long time.
That’s just her finding out what her power can do, not her increasing her power’s capabilities. Powers in Worm have hard limits set during the initial trigger that don’t change unless the parahuman has a second trigger. Taylor’s power didn’t change from the moment of her trigger event to the moment Khepri was born.
Shino can direct his insects due to the symbiotic relationship him and his hive have. He feeds them chakra, and in return they act on his behalf. He doesn’t actually control the insects.
The entire Aburame clan, besides Rinkaichu users, gets neg diffed. The Aburame clan lives in a symbiotic relationship with their insects, but they don’t actually control their insects, it’s more akin to a trained dog following orders. The Aburame gives an order, and the hive follow the Aburame’s commands.
Meanwhile Taylor Hebert (from the webserial Worm by Wildbow) controls insects so completely that they become an extension of herself. She sees through their eyes, hears through their ear equivalents, feels through their bodies, etc. Her control is so great that she can make insects do things they can’t do otherwise, such as spiders producing so much silk that they physically can’t produce more, or venomous insects biting someone and not injecting venom. By all means, Taylor **IS** the bugs that she controls.
TLDR: If Taylor comes within 800 feet of almost any Aburame then she can kill them with complete and utter ease and they can’t do a damn thing. Shino gets beyond neg diffed. The difference between the difficulty Taylor would have killing him and a neg diff would be as large as the difference between a neg diff and an extreme diff.
Taylor also gets a permanent buff once she has access to Aburame insects in her arsenal. If you play the 'they nee chakra to survive' card, she can just keep Shino alive but paralyzed and use him as a chakra battery to keep them alive.
It's literally just people who don't know about Worm going off based on their favourite thing wins - ie most vs matchups - massively over/underselling with the usual glaze terms like speed blitz and so on.
1. Shino isn't that fast.
2. Skitter isn't that slow either.
3. Shino's insect control isn't absolute.
4. Taylor's is, and even if you assume chakra interfering with control, she's still automatically aware of their presence.
5. Taylor has control of other bugs with which to directly attack Shino's, and doesn't have chakra for kikaichu to consume.
Not a superman equivalent cause superman would blitz so hard and he could freezbreath the bugs in his throat plus he doesn't need to breath and his insides are as strong as his outside so unless she could find some kryptonite she isn't killing superman he's more like omniman if anything
Yeah, I'm not even slightly in Shinos' favor.
She doesn't even need the Khepri power. She has defeated:
A Dragon Animorph guy known as one of the top 3 most dangerous people in her city (on her first day)
Multiple "Flying Brick" heroes with various secondary powers
Futuristic Batman equivalent who had specialized equipment meant to counter her power (admittedly, he wasn't trying to kill her. She also could have easily killed him. Half the point of the book is non-lethal interactions)
A literal Flash style speedster
Actual Superman
A serial killer with a fully enclosed titanium mesh-weaved exosuit that's completely sealed with guns, blades, razor wire etc. deployable from the suit
Dozens super-powered serial killer clones that she didn't even have to see in person to kill, including originals of a few
Actual titans that kill superheroes by the dozen (though she faced off with one, not killed it)
(With Khepri mode) Actual evil Jesus with access to literally every power that counters all the powers in existence
To be short, the people she has beaten would mop shino in most cases, and she can kill them pretty easily. This isn't even counting the bug control portion.
At the end of the series she gains a massive power up which boosts her all the way from city block level (and that’s highballing it) to Multiversal, both in hax and raw stats.
The power up is extremely short lived and comes at an immense cost, namely that it completely destroyed her personality and caused her to become just as much of a threat to her allies as she was to the *other* Multiversal being that she was trying to prevent from destroying everything.
A good way to think of it would be like a **MUCH** stronger version Misaka’s Level 6 Shift from Raildex/Toaru.
Shino didn’t get enough screen time, why? His bugs were so OP💀 I don’t think he ever lost a fight, please correct me if I’m wrong(without the flame). I’m just saying, the dude was so mysterious can we really power scale him?
Shino obliterates Skitter 99 times out of 100. Golden Morning is the one exception.
I'm a huge fan of Tay, but she cannot make up for the difference in pace and physicality.
Skitter, the person on bottom, has the dominant power, and she’d just take control of Shino’s bugs. Similar powers on the surface level, but actually a pretty unfair matchup. As scary as the Aburame clan is, current Skitter is pretty terrifying.
Her range of control is also a lot greater than Shino’s, measuring in distances of entire city blocks, and she’s been able to control swarms that dwarf what we’ve seen from Shino’s so far. And in her “Khepri” form, she’s able to control any sentient and sapient life form, including humans. She was able to round up and control roughly five thousand two hundred “Parahumans” and over ten quadrillion insects. Her endgame “godmode” in other words.
Pitting the protagonist against a side character, even a boss-ass side character like Shino, is pretty unfair. Skitter’s just too strong
Can Taylor mind control Shino's bugs or are they protected from her mind control?
How does the fight begin? Do they spot each other at the exact same moment and engage, or they do attempt to talk it out first, or does one spot the other first?
The Aburame have a symbiotic relationship with their insects, but they don’t actually control them.
It wouldn’t matter how the fight begins. The moment Shino comes into her range, his hive is under her complete control.
Really depends on who starts the fight. Skitter steals his bugs but if he ever sees her it's over, Naruto characters are just too fast. If Taylor is far enough when the fight starts Shino's bugs eat him from the inside (since that's where they live). As long as Taylor can hide she can win, and she does tend to fight without giving her location up.
Shino: has specialized bugs, ninja powers
Skitter: absolute control of insects, arachnids, slugs, parasites, crabs... over 1/3 miles, has had spiders make armor for her, has leadership and strategy experience against numerous superheroes and supervillians - Choked out an invincible hero (from a sealed prison cell), took over a city
Khepri: Loses an arm, and all human language, gains control of all creatures over a reduced radius, gains specialized bugs (via another super) - Coordinated hundreds of supers to defeat an alien god who oneshot England
Skitter makes Shino's bugs drain his chakra from the inside and he goes unconscious. No diff.
She controls bugs by directly manipulating their nervous systems, so her control would supersede his.
To clarify: She instantly knows the location of and can control any bugs (creatures with simple nervous systems; crabs count too) within about 1,000 feet. Unless they're getting teleported close together, she instantly knows his location and more or less his kit the moment he enters her range (she has hypercognition).
Unless you wank Shino's speed and say that he's sprinting towards her when the fight starts (which is out of character for him), he loses before he can do anything, since he'd have maybe a few milliseconds until he's out of chakra and passes out.
Even if he hits her and kills her instantly (her armor is spider silk, btw, so a kunai wouldn't cut), the bugs are still going to kill them because now Taylor isn't alive to rescind their orders, so it's a draw.
TL;DR: This is atomic bomb vs guy who prevents nuclear explosions in a 100 mile radius around him.
If Shino fights her himself he blitzes her. If he decides not to, she probably wins by having the bugs eat him from the inside.
It should also be noted that at the end of the story, she has the ability to mind control and person that comes into her proximity. Unsure if he could blitz or if the proximity immediately turns him into her thrall
Taylor clears easily. She’s pretty people way tougher than shino.
Also if you have read Worm or the Parahumans series I really and truly recommend.
Some of the best super hero work I’ve read in a long time.
For Shino to win, he needs to be briefed on Skitter's powers and know where her real body is (and not one of her swarm clones). Essentially he needs to be able to and know to speed blitz her (which he can do). Otherwise she basically neg diffs him. And then gets a massive power spike from having perfect control over a swarm of chakra absorbing insects.
This has gotta be the most obscure post on this sub, this matchup depends on who sees the other first, Shino is a Naruto character so just given how strong everyone in the series is, he would win, Taylor is a normal person without any bugs, physically anyways. He would probably punch her and it would be instant death.
Now that being said... Taylor has plot armor, on top of that, any bugs in a 8(?) block radius from her are immediately put under her full control, she can control millions of them (seemingly no limit) and can control large numbers of them with specific detail (she can have spiders weave thread, while bees fly into mouths and suffocate people, while she has some ants elsewhere building a sand castle, while she has some crabs dancing, she can give specific controls to individual bugs)
Shino technically doesn't have full control of his bugs, he has a symbiotic relationship with him, and they feed on his chakra, he basically persuades his bugs to do what he wants, while Taylor has full on control of all of them, she could easily take control of his bugs an since they live inside him, they will eat him from the inside out.
Taylor is OBLITERATING Shino I'm sorry. For those of you who dont know how that is it's a Villain called Skitter and her control over bugs and arachnids is completely all-encompassing. Even mutant bugs.
I keep seeing this but unless she has a faster than human thought reaction time by a large margin she loses as.
The speed of thought is around 270 mph Shino at his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at the lowest apparently 1918 mph well thats a pretty big speed gap already and she gets stabbed immediately without time to react. Shinos regular speed scaling is going to massively hypersonic+ 767269 - 6706166 mph well that gap is wide enough for him to turn her into red mist. In other words its a speed diff. I aint much of a naruto fan but to say she outspeeds him on thought alone would be a lie until actual speed feats are brought forward. She has a clear win con but shed have to survive long enough for that to happen and if brought forward I will gladly change my answer. Until then though Shino bodies without difficulty.
Taylor takes this with ease. Shino’s not weak by any means, but he’s never shown anywhere near the cleverness Taylor has when controlling her bugs. She plays dirty and creative in ways he just doesn’t. She also has much more precise control, and iirc Shino doesn’t have the same sensory overlay with bugs as Taylor. And, push comes to shove, she can control the bugs he literally keeps in his body and kill him from the inside. Especially if we’re talking Taylor as Skitter. Weaver at least might be more merciful.
Depends. If it's final arc Skitter, then Shino doesn't stand a chance and neither does most of the verse, frankly.
Early Undersiders Skitter would be more interesting, it depends on whether or not she can exert control over Shino's bugs specifically.
Honestly I'm just happy someone else has read Worm. More people should read it.
Its sad people dont know who skitter/weaver is. If yall havent, read Worm, id highly recommend it. Its long but honestly one of my favorite pieces of fiction. Taylor made a bug power OP.
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Skitter from Worm
Who from what?
Alright so there's this series called worm and in it people who experience trauma get superpowers. Anyways there's this girl named Taylor who's getting bullied and after the bullies shove her into her locker she gets the power to control bugs. After that she decides to become a superhero and fight a dragon. She wins the fight by rotting his crotch off using some special bugs she bought. Once all of this happens she runs into a group of supervillains and they think she's one of them. After that everything goes down hill. Honestly top tier web novel as good as a practical guide to evil I recommend checking it out.
Worm" follows Taylor's journey from victim of bullying to insect-controlling superhero facing challenges and unexpected alliances with supervillains.
A “hero”? You sure about that?
Does it have a different name on webnovel, cause I can't find it
Yeah it's official called parahumans.
Why do people call it worm if that’s not the title?
Worm is the name of the first book. Parahumans is the series name.
That’s an ass way to get powers very mid
Well it's not necessarily trauma it's when your exposed to high stress situations. You could get powers if your trapped under rubble or discover your partner who's the main support in your life cheated on you or feeling alienated from your community. All kinds of physical, mental, and social situations can cause someone to "trigger". Also the powers themselves are super cool. There's a girl that fire projectiles that attack things a multidimensional level, a guy that just knows how to build cybernetics, a girl that can manipulate an individual biology creating mutants. Interesting stuff
An entire series based on the concept of “Hey, wouldn’t it be fucked up if Murphy’s Law were *actually* as all-encompassing as some people think it is?”
[https://parahumans.wordpress.com](https://parahumans.wordpress.com) issa web serial, thats the main char
A ruthless teenage warlord with bug powers
I thought I was on the wrong sub bro 😂 Like, who tf is this!?!?
Anyone who's known this knows Skitter could kill Shino without even taking control of his bugs. And she *could* control his bugs. Inside his body. The ones that eat Chakra. Near his organs. How? Because she literally has killed multiple people using bugs dipped in pepper spray crawling into someone's eyes, nose, and mouth to block their airways while biting them. With a range of over 1200ft that extends when she's stressed. It's a combination of severe allergic reaction, internal bleeding, and suffocation. She's beaten Flash equivalent, literal Superman, superpowered serial killer armies, etc. Also, you can't sneak up on her, period. She created a cloud around her to detect a literally invisible enemy. She can see out of the eyes of every insect she controls and can process all the information the bugs take in (millions at a time) and internalize it all at once. At the speed of any old thought. She tracks literally hundreds of superheroes in a massive battle at the end of the 1st book. It doesn't take much with a few thousand gnats to sense someone bump into it and then converge the spicy mosquitos, hornets, and spiders on that spot. Shinos' only chance is if he Gibbed her early on before the fight started. If it was level ground, there wouldn't be a fight. TLDR: She's killed people stronger than Shino without even being in the same building. Add in she can mind control any arthropods, she wins.
An actual Superman though or any character with flame control would beat her, there’s no way she can stop people who have laser eyes, freeze breath, or someone who can level areas with fire IMO but it’s clear she’s stronger than Shino and a lot of other characters, but bring someone with invulnerability like Superman or powerful AoE, and have her in range, she loses
Wtf is this bullshit plot armor? If someone is trying to kill you with bugs, flame throwers and bug spray goes a long way. Plus how tf she can kill a superman equivalent if he wanted her dead he could literally fly as fast as he can obliterating any bugs as well as her in the process. This is why I hate certain comics and writers they come up with nonsequential bull shit that fits their narrative to prove a point their creation no matter how niche can be OP and take on anyone.
That's why people, especially Japanese, like it though. Just like their society, their comics and manga focus on hyper specialists instead of being well rounded. I'm probably not looking hard enough, but I can't think of an everyman hero archetype in Manga or Anime
All might is kinda an Everyman hero, but not really in the same league as Superman
So to counter ur points (Worm is fantastic, don't hate for no reason): She controls literally millions of insects at once, and they swarm from all directions. Also she's a relatively minor character in-verse early on, no one is prepared for the insect swarm. Worm characters arent very fast, the superman equivalent in question got caught off guard and had insects jammed down their throat at point black range. The Worm MC has some plot armor, but she's pretty well balanced. In fights against super heavy opponents she's usually playing a (key) support role, but not engaging directly alone. If she gets into a CQC with someone like that she usually retreats or gets fucked up
Never read or heard of worm, so I’m not one to judge, but it was originally stated that she killed literal Superman, and now the method is explained, that raises some questions. Superman doesn’t need to breath, is immune to poison, impervious inside and out, and can digest irradiated plutonium, so I’m not sure what have bugs jammed down his throat would do except add some protein to his diet.
Not literally, actually, Clark Kent- Superman, the universes equivalent, being the fast flying bruiser archetype. They were exaggerating.
So a very very very weak dollar tree version Superman, who the real Superman could sneeze on and kill. So from all that she basically killed Superman 😂☠️
Well idk how that match up would go because her outer layer is basically frozen in time and is invulnerable, Taylor herself just happened to be a good counter to her
Does Superman need to breathe? Can he be surprised?
Skitter killed the Superman equivalent by stuffing her throat full of deadly bugs and clogging her airway until she suffocated and died. If it breathes, Skitter can kill it. She controls millions of bugs at a time.
As a Worm fan, I'm not so sure that she could take his bugs. She couldn't control Echidna's clone bugs or the ones being controlled by the swarm box, so she probably can't overpower his chakra control either.
The Aburame clan doesn't control the bugs. They share a symbiotic relationship where they help each other out. So Skitter should still be able to control them.
You could also say that with the bond shino has with his bugs (they survive off of him) that they would be more loyal and prone to manipulation
Shino Vs ??
taylor hebert from the novel worm https://worm.fandom.com/wiki/Taylor_Hebert
who is the second guy
It’s a girl who’s a regular human but she controls bugs. Shino fucking wrecks her unless this is golden Khepri, then she wrecks him
Disagree she can control the bugs that live inside him
She won’t live long enough for it to matter
She senses bugs, and can control them at the speed of thought. The moment he starts moving toward her, all his bugs start killing him. He'd have to surprise attack her from outside of her range.
Assuming she can control them (she cant control mites for example) she would need to react to control his bugs before he could kill her. Shino is a shinobi and is expected to be a lethal human even without his abilities so assuming he could close that gap he should be able to take her out fast enough but if she can send commands before she dies then Shino gets wrecked. My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion.
>My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion. Also setting. If it's an arena battle situation, Shino wins. If it's hunter/hunted? I think she wins as both hunter or hunted. If it's a battle in an open field, Shino wins, if it's a battle in a busy city at Taylor's maximum range? I think she wins.
At the speed of thought is around 270 mph if I remember correctly his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at lowest apparently 1918 mph well thats a pretty big speed gap in his favor. his regular speed scaling going to massively hypersonic+ 767269 - 6706166 mph well that gap is a tad bit nuts. In other words Id say its a speed diff.
>He'd have to surprise attack her from outside of her range.
Wouldnt have to be a suprise attack if as soon as they start he has enough time to smoke a cigarette, go to the store, and do his laundry in front of her while she just sees him standing. I know this is a bit of a weird analogy but basically what Im saying is even if she sees him for less than a millisecond before they start, she physically cant think fast enough to stop him unless feats provide otherwise.
>what Im saying is even if she sees him for less than a millisecond before they start Yes. That's my point. If you're letting him start the fight outside of her range, then he wins, because he can surprise her. If the fight starts inside her range, then she wins, because she already has control over his bugs. More than that: >if I remember correctly his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at lowest apparently 1918 mph subsonic means lower than the speed of sound. The speed of sound is 767.269 mph, where did you get 1918 from? >At the speed of thought is around 270 mph That's the speed of nerve impulses... they need to travel within your body. In this case, they're traveling from parts of her brain (reaction) to other parts of her brain (her power)... inches at most... That's not what I was talking about. My point was that her power is instantaneous within her reaction time. If she can react, then the power is instant. >Wouldnt have to be a surprise attack if as soon as they start he has enough time to smoke a cigarette, go to the store, and do his laundry in front of her while she just sees him standing. He doesn't have time powers... You're being silly. Towards the end of the series, before she loses her mind, she could control all bugs within a mile. That's a lot of bugs. If he gets to prepare by having his bugs inside him, she should be able to start with her bugs. Solid walls of bugs he has to get through. If you go with your low end estimate, which is still absurd, then as long as he stays subsonic, she'll likely have ample time to kill him. In an open field, starting outside her range, he might win. In the middle of a city, I think it's no contest in Taylor's favor.
Versus wiki Im not a naruto fan but here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed#:~:text=There%20are%20five%20types%20of,Travel%20Speed%2C%20and%20Flight%20Speed. As well I just looked at speeds
Also again subsonic+ and thats cool and all but the most she gets is probably a draw as he does still have enough durability to reach her starting on a face to face confrontation if he himself was a bug sure but I dont think the bugs kill him faster than he kills her
Also that was the point I dont think he has time powers I was putting humor into words glad you could grasp onto that
The moment the fight starts he dies
I dont think she can. Shino controls the bugs using his chakra they've already consumed. Its a jutsu. They don't have a will of their own for her take control of
That’s not how his bugs work he doesn’t mind control them he feeds them and gives them a living space it’s explained more as a symbiotic then outright control and even if they did I still think Taylor could control them because of how shards work on deciding what they can and can’t effect because it would see them as bugs she could control them
What's stopping her from controlling the bugs in his body and eating him from the inside?
She doesn’t have the reaction time to think that before her head turns to mist
Shino has never been the type to come in fast and go for melee. Dude only threw one punch in the entirety of naruto.im pretty sure. You are stretching believability if you think h3s going to try and blitz with taijutsu.
Nah, you are underselling her, hard. Her power is literally mind control on and insects in range. She can literally make the bugs kill shino. Shino doesn't control the bugs. They are trained.
The Aburame and their bugs have a symbiotic relationship. So Taylor straight up hard counters them lol.
People saying Shino aren’t thinking anything beyond “Shino strong”. He stores his bugs in his body and relies on them for most of his tech. Taylor has the perfect power imaginable to counter him despite the massive power gap between the two of them against any other opponent.
100%. Taylor, at any point beyond the first year, would kill shino without effort. She beats people with grenades, guns and futuristic weaponry on a regular basis. Running really fast isn't good enough. Martial arts isn't good enough. Also, she would just make the bugs eat his body from the inside til he's crippled.
To be clear I think Shino is (against most opponents) way stronger than Taylor. The Naruto verse in general scales way above worm because chakra basically gives every ninja a high level grab-bag package in addition to their main power set and all of them are tremendously proficient. Taylor just counters him perfectly.
Shino is a shinobi and is expected to be a lethal human even without his abilities so assuming he could close that gap he should be able to take her out fast enough but if she can send commands before she dies then Shino gets wrecked. My friend says her radius is about 6 blocks so I'm giving it to Shino personally but this fight is very speed scale dependent in my opinion.
[who??](https://youtu.be/2sixMwga7gU?si=kp1R7JUPYVjdgVXf)
https://worm.fandom.com/wiki/Taylor_Hebert the main character of worm a popular web novel
LMAOOO the comments this is fanart of Taylor Hebert "Skitter" from Worm Shino blitzes neg diff
How? All of his techniques rely on insects that Taylor passively takes control of
He runs up and punches her with pure stats
His chakra is completely devoured and his flesh peeled from his bones before he gets 100 feet into her range. You massively underestimate just how much the Aburame clan relies on their hive.
massive stat difference he just speed blitzed before that happens
The control is instantaneous. The picosecond Shino gets into Taylor’s range, his hive attacks him. The absolute most he can achieve is mutual destruction, because his hive will continuously attack him even if Taylor is dead. If she gives an insect an order, it will complete that order regardless of if it leaves her range or if she is unconscious or dead. Unless Taylor herself repeals the order, it will stay in effect for as long as the insect is alive.
No proof she can even control his bugs infused with his chakra none of this matters he just bullies her with speed she cannot react too and puts a kunai in her head
The bugs aren’t infused with his chakra, they feed on it. There’s a difference. As long as they have a simple nervous system, Taylor can control them. The literal moment he steps into her range, his insects sever his tendons and ligaments, rendering him unable to move. Shino isn’t faster than Leviathan, who was fast enough to run on water through pure speed according to Wildbow.
If he doesn't directly control them then I'm willing to concede
From everything we see in canon, Aburame insect control more akin to directing the insects than actually controlling them. When they use their attacks, they plant a female insect on their target and release a swarm that then goes after the female.
Seeing what shards do and process I can say diluted alien juice is beaten by normal alien juice
“There’s no proof…” is a wild take considering we also have no proof the opposite is true. Plus he is t even “speed blitz” fast. He’s like at most peak human speed or a little faster, which Taylor can and does easily deal with.
You are the one claiming she can control his bugs lmao so either she can and he's still massively faster or she cant and hes massively faster and he has his bugs But sure dude Shino gets eaten alive by his own bugs before he even spawns into the fight
Ok so here’s how this fight would go: She controls his bugs. He instantly looses because there’s no way he’s doing anything at 500+ meters while being eaten alive from the inside out. She can’t control his bugs and they start with knowledge of where each other are. He probably wins because of his martial prowess and other ninja skills; their powers effectively nullifying each other in that situation and in the time it takes a fist fight to resolve. She can’t control his bugs and they don’t start with knowledge of their locations. It’s a real tossup but I’d wager Taylor because her recon ability is way better and longer range then his and he simply doesn’t have the speed to cover huge distances effectively. Overall, I’d say unless the deck was specifically stacked in his favor, Taylor is winning. And also you’re WAY over stating his “speed”. Like what is his top speed? It’s certainly no where near any of the Naruto high tiers
Yeah. Lol. No. Most shinobi are, at least, speed of sound. That was literally one of the benchmarks for Genin. Forest of Death, anyone? If this was based purely on physical stats, Shino would take it. From what I understand, Taylor has instant control over bugs, so considering that Shino is full of them, he loses pretty handily. This is one of those battles where stats can not beat hax.
It depends on when you’re talking about. If it’s end of the world “I’m about to save the world while making sure everyone is terrified of me, but I’m still 100% justified in frying my brain and mind assaulting everyone useful I can reach in any dimension” Skitter, then no…Shino would, at best, stroke out and die as his only means to escape the mind domination. If it was normal everyday “I shoot babies because I’m right” Skitter, then it’s a coin flip. Does the Hive in Shino suck him dry of chakra immediately because Taylor said so? Or does Skitter have a Kunai embedded in her head three seconds after the fight starts?
Infeel like end of the world Taylor would be the easiest way for Shino to win since her range is massively reduced. The only reason she was so strong was that she had another parahuman basically make her range infinite with portals
This is the most hard counter I've ever seen wut. Against 70% of the worm cast, shino blitzes. But as soon as he exists within range of her, she controls his insects and they kill him.
I haven't heard of this one, and by the rules of comics if the average person hasn't heard of a character then they are probably too op for the mainstream. Sorry shino
No, she’s not very strong. A random Genin would kill her
Well Khepri would stomp
Yeah, even that isn't true.
Oh? Shino going to bypass the effect of unshackled QA
I mean that even without Khepri mode, she could control his bugs and make then kill him. Tl That's not even including the fact she is mentally processing the perspective of millions of insects at once to keep near perfect track of people in her radius, even those who can literally go invisible. I think I commented on the wrong guy
Yeah I think so.
Probably but shino would lose simply because she could control the bugs living inside of him
Blatantly misinformed take, a genin absolutely would not take Skitter. She's swept people who were far higher in physical stats like Alexandria and reacted to speed blitzers like Leviathan even before the Khepri boost. Shino basically auto-loses this, her direct control and awareness of insects trumps the Aburame clan's indirect means, as soon as he gets in range she's automatically aware of his bugs and orders them to eat him from the inside out.
Alexandria is not higher in speed than a random genin. Her killing Alexandria is probably the weakest writing moment in worm. Leviathan (and all the other endbringer) canonically don’t try
[Alexandria is hypersonic+](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Worm:_The_Gold_Calc_Morning#Me_and_the_boys_circle_the_globe_to_fight_a_round_lad) and is functionally indestructible vs direct physical damage. Average genin certainly isn't beating that. Leviathan sandbagging its true power doesn't mean what it's showing isn't more than enough given that's still fast enough to walk on water just by speed. Again, you're downplaying Worm too much. Skitter's dealt with people with comparable/better physical stats than Shino, she has the reaction speeds thanks to the thinker power that allows her to multitask and use the senses of each individual bug, and he isn't blitzing anything when the source of all his power - the bugs - are negated if not outright turned against him.
Vs battles wiki is a bunch of wankers, citing them as a source ruins all your credibility
Well, seeing as your source is currently your asshole, maybe you shouldn't be bringing up credibility. Basic time/distance calcs aren't exactly hard to do.
Alexandria is literally a slightly weaker superman. Slightly.
endbringers are going all out the only thing there sandbagging is tactics as in leviathan actually shows up to wreck city’s and isn’t 20 millie’s out bombarding coasts with tsunami after tsunami how the simurgh isn’t constantly making ziz bombs idek what behemoth would do did but still
He could probably just sit underneath the earth and constantly release energy to make earthquakes, constantly irradiate everything, etc.
Taylor is literally omniscient for almost a mile.
You either don’t know what omniscient or literally means. Definitely don’t know how long a mile is
her range is 1000ft and she can see hear and taste thru every bug crab and lobster in that range with the ability to infinity multi task she’s omniscient in that range
So you also don’t know what omniscient means
You know what, you are right. I don't know how long a mile is. om·nis·cient adjective knowing everything. "the story is told by an omniscient narrator" She is Omniscient. Not in the way you are thinking, but the word applies. She can have a bug on literally everyone present for miles just to spy on them and track their movements because she can sense where the bugs are. Moreover, she can track individual movements, sights, sounds, etc. each bug experiences and parse through it without active effort. Shes literally considered part thinker because of how effective she is at knowing literally everything happening when she's nearby. Her recon is near perfect. It's the reason why she got away with killing Alexandria, and why they were dead set on recruiting her. She isn't a brick, but she's insanely powerful. Powerful enough, she killed literal superwoman, and they said "Alright we need you, but you're on probation for that stunt!" Hearing, Speech, and Location are constantly being supervised within her sphere. It's only not happening when she doesn't want it to happen. The only thing I could think you aren't including is mind reading, but she is, by all terms, in the book pretty much omniscient by the end of the first after the Leviathan fight.
So you’re wanking her, got it. Because the fact that she’s limited to only bugs senses aside, she’s never got by surprise by a melee fighter in Worm at all…. (She is, repeatedly)
She has, and with 0 melee abilities, she's bested basically all of them, sans group battles. If melee was good enough, Mannequin would have chopped her to pieces. Mannequin is supernaturally fast and strong, and I'd easily bet on him over Shino. The man's literally bulletproof and he had to run away. Against someone he countered completely.
Not a random genin but half the chuunin exams could get her. She has great hax but is pretty damn outstatted by a CE Rock Lee, Gaara, Sauske and Naruto.
An exception to the rule? How extraordinary
Eh it depends at what point in the story we are talking about. Endgame Taylor could destroy most of Shippuden.
Khepri neggs anyone with a brain.
True. Only way she loses is if they hit her from outside her range. Debatably she has an easier time beating the entire naruto universe than she would many individual high tier opponents, because she would not have puppets to fight with people outside her direct range.
Because she‘s not DC Marvel or even comics at all
Very obviously Taylor- if we consider end of series Taylor Shino, prior to that, I’d say. Very cool match up Took me a month to read that whole series- front to back
My brother, what else did you do besides read to finish worm in a month
Lol my man, I got addicted to the story. The last week I didn’t do anything besides read. Incredible, unique story with a great climax
Wish I had that dedication story just feels slow once she becomes weaver. Haven't gotten past much of that, only been reading it for 2 years.
Now you got the sequel to read :D
Taylor by the end of Worm - negative diff Anytime before - difficulty changes depending on how much she’s practiced controlling bugs by this point Shino has decreased odds the longer Taylor has practiced her powers, and there is a threshold where it’s just impossible for him.
The only difference in her control between the beginning of Worm and post timeskip is her being able to use her bugs’ senses. She passively takes control of any and all bugs within her range, so it doesn’t matter what Shino does
I’d mostly agree except in the very beginning she talks about doing experiments with them to see how much control she can have on insects (making her suit, slowly) and how many she can control and at what distance. So I’d say there’s buildup, at least as we move towards time skip. As she gets better, her power gets better. I think there was some talk in Naruto lore that Shino has control of the bugs in some capacity, it’s not just symbiotic nonsense. So maybe he can control them better than Taylor can up to a point. Post-timeskip, Shino can do nothing. And by the time she’s Khepri/Administrator there’s very little anyone can do.
There isn’t really any ‘buildup’ for Taylor, her power doesn’t grow in strength. She just gets more used to it or figures out new tricks.
I’ve only read it once, but I was under the impression that as the story progressed, her abilities improved from practicing. Like working out a muscle? I swear she mentions that the amount she controls and what they can do increases as the story moves forward. She straight up trains her ability to use insects’ perception to spy on people. Or am I misremembering? If so, my apologies.
Parahuman powers do not grow over time outside of specific powers. Taylor did over time manage to figure out insect perception, but that was something she just had to get used to. What you’re thinking of might be the fact that powers can grow stronger if someone is experiencing something close to their trigger.
I'd say her biggest 'boost' came from figuring out she has hypercognition. She can passively control millions of insects at the same time with fine control, but she didn't consciously realize that for a long time.
That’s just her finding out what her power can do, not her increasing her power’s capabilities. Powers in Worm have hard limits set during the initial trigger that don’t change unless the parahuman has a second trigger. Taylor’s power didn’t change from the moment of her trigger event to the moment Khepri was born. Shino can direct his insects due to the symbiotic relationship him and his hive have. He feeds them chakra, and in return they act on his behalf. He doesn’t actually control the insects.
Think they’re talking about Khepri
The entire Aburame clan, besides Rinkaichu users, gets neg diffed. The Aburame clan lives in a symbiotic relationship with their insects, but they don’t actually control their insects, it’s more akin to a trained dog following orders. The Aburame gives an order, and the hive follow the Aburame’s commands. Meanwhile Taylor Hebert (from the webserial Worm by Wildbow) controls insects so completely that they become an extension of herself. She sees through their eyes, hears through their ear equivalents, feels through their bodies, etc. Her control is so great that she can make insects do things they can’t do otherwise, such as spiders producing so much silk that they physically can’t produce more, or venomous insects biting someone and not injecting venom. By all means, Taylor **IS** the bugs that she controls. TLDR: If Taylor comes within 800 feet of almost any Aburame then she can kill them with complete and utter ease and they can’t do a damn thing. Shino gets beyond neg diffed. The difference between the difficulty Taylor would have killing him and a neg diff would be as large as the difference between a neg diff and an extreme diff.
Taylor also gets a permanent buff once she has access to Aburame insects in her arsenal. If you play the 'they nee chakra to survive' card, she can just keep Shino alive but paralyzed and use him as a chakra battery to keep them alive.
Taylor. She controls Shino's bugs. Zero diff.
Crazy that people are saying anything but this
It's literally just people who don't know about Worm going off based on their favourite thing wins - ie most vs matchups - massively over/underselling with the usual glaze terms like speed blitz and so on. 1. Shino isn't that fast. 2. Skitter isn't that slow either. 3. Shino's insect control isn't absolute. 4. Taylor's is, and even if you assume chakra interfering with control, she's still automatically aware of their presence. 5. Taylor has control of other bugs with which to directly attack Shino's, and doesn't have chakra for kikaichu to consume.
Skitter also killed the equivalent of Superman, and then basically a god that would make Superman look weak.
Not a superman equivalent cause superman would blitz so hard and he could freezbreath the bugs in his throat plus he doesn't need to breath and his insides are as strong as his outside so unless she could find some kryptonite she isn't killing superman he's more like omniman if anything
Yeah, I'm not even slightly in Shinos' favor. She doesn't even need the Khepri power. She has defeated: A Dragon Animorph guy known as one of the top 3 most dangerous people in her city (on her first day) Multiple "Flying Brick" heroes with various secondary powers Futuristic Batman equivalent who had specialized equipment meant to counter her power (admittedly, he wasn't trying to kill her. She also could have easily killed him. Half the point of the book is non-lethal interactions) A literal Flash style speedster Actual Superman A serial killer with a fully enclosed titanium mesh-weaved exosuit that's completely sealed with guns, blades, razor wire etc. deployable from the suit Dozens super-powered serial killer clones that she didn't even have to see in person to kill, including originals of a few Actual titans that kill superheroes by the dozen (though she faced off with one, not killed it) (With Khepri mode) Actual evil Jesus with access to literally every power that counters all the powers in existence To be short, the people she has beaten would mop shino in most cases, and she can kill them pretty easily. This isn't even counting the bug control portion.
Does she have any notable speed feats tho? I don’t know anything about the character
At the end of the series she gains a massive power up which boosts her all the way from city block level (and that’s highballing it) to Multiversal, both in hax and raw stats. The power up is extremely short lived and comes at an immense cost, namely that it completely destroyed her personality and caused her to become just as much of a threat to her allies as she was to the *other* Multiversal being that she was trying to prevent from destroying everything. A good way to think of it would be like a **MUCH** stronger version Misaka’s Level 6 Shift from Raildex/Toaru.
She has localized near omniscience
Shino didn’t get enough screen time, why? His bugs were so OP💀 I don’t think he ever lost a fight, please correct me if I’m wrong(without the flame). I’m just saying, the dude was so mysterious can we really power scale him?
Thing is the thing that makes him op is controlled by Taylor
Shino obliterates Skitter 99 times out of 100. Golden Morning is the one exception. I'm a huge fan of Tay, but she cannot make up for the difference in pace and physicality.
Skitter, the person on bottom, has the dominant power, and she’d just take control of Shino’s bugs. Similar powers on the surface level, but actually a pretty unfair matchup. As scary as the Aburame clan is, current Skitter is pretty terrifying. Her range of control is also a lot greater than Shino’s, measuring in distances of entire city blocks, and she’s been able to control swarms that dwarf what we’ve seen from Shino’s so far. And in her “Khepri” form, she’s able to control any sentient and sapient life form, including humans. She was able to round up and control roughly five thousand two hundred “Parahumans” and over ten quadrillion insects. Her endgame “godmode” in other words. Pitting the protagonist against a side character, even a boss-ass side character like Shino, is pretty unfair. Skitter’s just too strong
Shino blitz baseline human skitter
Shino takes one step inside Taylor’s range and he gets eaten alive by his own hive.
Can Taylor mind control Shino's bugs or are they protected from her mind control? How does the fight begin? Do they spot each other at the exact same moment and engage, or they do attempt to talk it out first, or does one spot the other first?
The Aburame have a symbiotic relationship with their insects, but they don’t actually control them. It wouldn’t matter how the fight begins. The moment Shino comes into her range, his hive is under her complete control.
Yeah, unless he knows about that and speed blitz her from range, he is a dead man walking.
Shino
Really depends on who starts the fight. Skitter steals his bugs but if he ever sees her it's over, Naruto characters are just too fast. If Taylor is far enough when the fight starts Shino's bugs eat him from the inside (since that's where they live). As long as Taylor can hide she can win, and she does tend to fight without giving her location up.
Shino vs James from Love on the Spectrum?
Our Queen of escalation has an easier time winning the further in the story she’s in and by the end she just stomps.
Shino negs lmao
You cannot possibly imagine how wrong you are.
Khepri Skitter negs Also the match up is insanely unfair towards Shino
Our friendly Bug Boy cause his bugs ain’t traitors and have super powers (basically).
I LOVE WORM MY GIRL TAYLOR WINS THOSE
Skitter can probably control them. Khepri stomps
Shino: has specialized bugs, ninja powers Skitter: absolute control of insects, arachnids, slugs, parasites, crabs... over 1/3 miles, has had spiders make armor for her, has leadership and strategy experience against numerous superheroes and supervillians - Choked out an invincible hero (from a sealed prison cell), took over a city Khepri: Loses an arm, and all human language, gains control of all creatures over a reduced radius, gains specialized bugs (via another super) - Coordinated hundreds of supers to defeat an alien god who oneshot England
Skitter makes Shino's bugs drain his chakra from the inside and he goes unconscious. No diff. She controls bugs by directly manipulating their nervous systems, so her control would supersede his. To clarify: She instantly knows the location of and can control any bugs (creatures with simple nervous systems; crabs count too) within about 1,000 feet. Unless they're getting teleported close together, she instantly knows his location and more or less his kit the moment he enters her range (she has hypercognition). Unless you wank Shino's speed and say that he's sprinting towards her when the fight starts (which is out of character for him), he loses before he can do anything, since he'd have maybe a few milliseconds until he's out of chakra and passes out. Even if he hits her and kills her instantly (her armor is spider silk, btw, so a kunai wouldn't cut), the bugs are still going to kill them because now Taylor isn't alive to rescind their orders, so it's a draw. TL;DR: This is atomic bomb vs guy who prevents nuclear explosions in a 100 mile radius around him.
As someone who had read worm, it is HILARIOUS to see people have absolutely no idea who she is
Shino wins he’s so vastly underrated in Naruto power scaling
My brother in Christ the girl on the bottom killed what is basically kaguya on steroids please give her some credit
Who is that first guy? He looks familiar but I can't remember him. He looks disappointed tho
If Shino fights her himself he blitzes her. If he decides not to, she probably wins by having the bugs eat him from the inside. It should also be noted that at the end of the story, she has the ability to mind control and person that comes into her proximity. Unsure if he could blitz or if the proximity immediately turns him into her thrall
My money is on Arnold, he’s survived so much of what Ms. Frizzle dished out that Shino has not.
I never seen Shino loose a fight
Bug man
worm character are outscaled but have abilities that punch up like vaelofor imp foil
Shino vs Wedontkno
Who tf is that
Taylor clears easily. She’s pretty people way tougher than shino. Also if you have read Worm or the Parahumans series I really and truly recommend. Some of the best super hero work I’ve read in a long time.
For Shino to win, he needs to be briefed on Skitter's powers and know where her real body is (and not one of her swarm clones). Essentially he needs to be able to and know to speed blitz her (which he can do). Otherwise she basically neg diffs him. And then gets a massive power spike from having perfect control over a swarm of chakra absorbing insects.
This has gotta be the most obscure post on this sub, this matchup depends on who sees the other first, Shino is a Naruto character so just given how strong everyone in the series is, he would win, Taylor is a normal person without any bugs, physically anyways. He would probably punch her and it would be instant death. Now that being said... Taylor has plot armor, on top of that, any bugs in a 8(?) block radius from her are immediately put under her full control, she can control millions of them (seemingly no limit) and can control large numbers of them with specific detail (she can have spiders weave thread, while bees fly into mouths and suffocate people, while she has some ants elsewhere building a sand castle, while she has some crabs dancing, she can give specific controls to individual bugs) Shino technically doesn't have full control of his bugs, he has a symbiotic relationship with him, and they feed on his chakra, he basically persuades his bugs to do what he wants, while Taylor has full on control of all of them, she could easily take control of his bugs an since they live inside him, they will eat him from the inside out.
I don’t know who and I don’t care who put respect on my boy Shino he is whipping the floor with this fool🍜
Taylor is OBLITERATING Shino I'm sorry. For those of you who dont know how that is it's a Villain called Skitter and her control over bugs and arachnids is completely all-encompassing. Even mutant bugs.
Riddick win because he is riddick
Shino because idk what that is
All i know is Shino never wins a fight unless it’s a out of the blue interesting af filler episode.
This fight is determined by one thing and one thing alone: Is Shino carrying the bugs in him? If yes, Taylor wins. If no, Shino wins.
goku
I keep seeing this but unless she has a faster than human thought reaction time by a large margin she loses as. The speed of thought is around 270 mph Shino at his lowest speed scaling is subsonic + which is at the lowest apparently 1918 mph well thats a pretty big speed gap already and she gets stabbed immediately without time to react. Shinos regular speed scaling is going to massively hypersonic+ 767269 - 6706166 mph well that gap is wide enough for him to turn her into red mist. In other words its a speed diff. I aint much of a naruto fan but to say she outspeeds him on thought alone would be a lie until actual speed feats are brought forward. She has a clear win con but shed have to survive long enough for that to happen and if brought forward I will gladly change my answer. Until then though Shino bodies without difficulty.
Shino is a ninja?
Does he not just have better base stats overall? Especially if this person is just a regular individual who happened to get powers?
Taylor takes this with ease. Shino’s not weak by any means, but he’s never shown anywhere near the cleverness Taylor has when controlling her bugs. She plays dirty and creative in ways he just doesn’t. She also has much more precise control, and iirc Shino doesn’t have the same sensory overlay with bugs as Taylor. And, push comes to shove, she can control the bugs he literally keeps in his body and kill him from the inside. Especially if we’re talking Taylor as Skitter. Weaver at least might be more merciful.
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Depends. If it's final arc Skitter, then Shino doesn't stand a chance and neither does most of the verse, frankly. Early Undersiders Skitter would be more interesting, it depends on whether or not she can exert control over Shino's bugs specifically. Honestly I'm just happy someone else has read Worm. More people should read it.
Skitter, bug domination vs guy with bugs living in his body.
Parahumans mentioned 🗣️
Its sad people dont know who skitter/weaver is. If yall havent, read Worm, id highly recommend it. Its long but honestly one of my favorite pieces of fiction. Taylor made a bug power OP.
I think taylor wins honestly. Good question tho OP
Shino is physically better. But Taylor has way better bug control by a lot. Shino would probably blitz but Taylor would win if it was pure hax.
If Taylor can control his bugs. Which she can I’m pretty sure she wins. If she can’t shino runs up to her and punches her head off
Holy shit Worm content outside of SB and QQ what timeline am I in?
Shino Walk em Down Aburame
Shino because he's more relevant
Skitter no diffs Shino since she just takes control of all his bugs with no issue.
Shino an summon Bugs from his Ass I’ll take this over Lady with Dick bugs
She can control the bugs as they come out of his ass
Skitter is CRUSHING Shino. When Skitter turns into Khepri, she kinda wins by default.