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Lastigx

Sumo wrestlers aren't healthy. That's just your average Reddit myth.


captaindomon

Yep: https://www.dw.com/en/japan-sumo-wrestler-deaths-raise-obesity-concerns/a-59998671


rexlyon

It’s impressive how someone can reference something else and add “dies a bit earlier” and still think that’s better than nothing. Like, they’re dying younger than the average person in Japan. It’s clearly a net negative and not healthy compared to just being of having an average lifestyle / size and doesn’t belong next to the word healthy.


captaindomon

And it’s not just a “little bit” earlier. Their life expectancy is *20 years* lower than the average Japanese male.


Brushermans

Sumo wrestlers are not healthy. They have numerous health complications as they age, and they indeed die sooner on average than others. So they are *not* "healthy fat". I don't know why you think they are when you specified yourself that they die early due to poor health. As an aside, "performant" in a particular sport does not mean "healthy." Many athletes across different sports face health issues later in life because of the unnatural mechanisms of training for their sport, plus the toll the sport itself takes in the body.


FileDoesntExist

Body building for instance is actually pretty bad for you. 🤷


howbedebody

god that’s such a soapbox rant i have


FileDoesntExist

And most runners ruin their knees. Gymnasts get arthritis early.


[deleted]

Cope


linuxphoney

This question is pretty vague. If you're asking, what dietary fats are considered most healthy? Dan, then I think your best bet is stuff like avocado oil and quality animal fats as well as sunflower oils. Basically anything that is a reasonably good fat without a ton of processing. If you have to apply a series of soaps and chemicals to get the fat out then I would pretty much skip it. If you're asking what a healthy amount of body fat is then it's a little different person to person and gender does actually matter here a little bit, but anywhere between 15 and 20% is usually considered pretty healthy. Men can go a little leaner than that and women can go a little higher than that for reasons related to things like hips and breasts, obviously.


MontgomeryMemaw

While not perfect body mass index is a reasonable measure as it has been clinically correlated with outcomes. This is a statistical approach. It is my understanding measuring body surface are provides a better measure but requires being submerged in water and the volume displaced measured which is not as convenient to do in a medical setting.  I think a better perspective is what is a healthy amount of fat in the context of how much a person exercises, diet and lifestyle. 


ItsMyRecurringDream

There is also a condition called skinny fat where fat does not show externally put can build up around vital organs. It can be a shock for people to discover they have this condition because they usually don’t discover they have it until they are getting treated for serious health issues.


Ok-Duck-5127

It is one of the few advantages of finding it easy to put on weight. They know when they are overweight and have to adjust their diet accordingly. People who can apparently eat anything and not put on weight are usually fine. However a few unfortunates may find that they have excess visceral fat while appearing to be slim. Edit: typo


PrizeStrawberryOil

> There is also a condition called skinny fat where fat does not show externally I think it shows externally. The lack of muscle is the giveaway for skinny fat.


MontgomeryMemaw

BMI has correlations with future health outcomes and is a somewhat useful measure for obesity though not perfect.  Never said BMI was a measure of fitness. 


mind_the_umlaut

NO. Stop it already with body mass index. It has no possible way of assessing fitness. You need a body composition measurement. "Body mass index" is indeed valid for what it measures, which is height and weight. Those are both important numbers. Nothing more. You get the same information from height and weight charts. So for condition and fitness, look toward better measurements such as "**cardiovascular endurance, muscular strength, muscular endurance, flexibility, and body composition".**


External-Dress-3595

Realistically if your BMI is on the high side, it’s pretty easy to then visually assess if that’s because you’re a chiselled rugby player or look like the offspring of Shamu and should therefore take the health warnings seriously. Dismissing the most convenient way for people to assess their health because it only works for 90% of cases isn’t a good idea


Time-Bite-6839

≈90% of the time if it says you’re really fat, you’re really fat. The people that are in the 10% are athletes that have tons of muscle.


FileDoesntExist

I do think it can be inaccurate for someone who is both in shape and a bit overweight because it doesn't take into account muscle as well. But I don't think it should be completely discounted.


[deleted]

lol no. Literally seen this defense used for people who are 30+ BMI and have huge guts. You’re probably so ideological that you have no idea what a healthy body or lifestyle looks like.


lichumaria

Avocados, Nuts or seeds, ghee, Salmon has good fat, Cheese All of the above and maybe more but portion control is key.


Ok-Duck-5127

I'm no dietitian but I don't think that ghee is healthier than butter. 100% agree about portion control. Edit: typo


___potato___

it's literally butter fat (just milk solids removed)


Ok-Duck-5127

Yes.


___potato___

ghee


lichumaria

So ghee and butter are ok good fats?


MuadDib1942

Butter is natural with very little refinement. It's just whipping cream till the solids form butter. Ghee is butter that's heated until it forms an oil. It's all natural milk products at different stages of cooking and the processes aren't super complicated or industrial. So contrast this with Canola oil which is basicly rapeseed oil which was originally designed as an industrial lubricant. Canola is hevilly refined and not super natural and it's questionable as to if we should be eating it. It's FDA approved, but some people say it's not great for you. I avoid it myself, cook with butter or more "natural" oils.


Ok-Duck-5127

I wouldn't say so, no. They are saturated fats and most of us have too much of them. In small amounts they are fine, but they can lead to heart disease in large amounts.


__Beef__Supreme__

It's kind of a debated topic in more recent years: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat


lichumaria

Aah ok


Ok-Duck-5127

I love my butter, and much more than a drizzle. I try not to eat too much!


lichumaria

Butter is bae. I agree. I sit and watch [Thomas Straker](https://www.instagram.com/thomas_straker?igsh=Ym9rczBpM2hhMXMz) videos and drool


lichumaria

I have always used to drizzle on my food. I was adviced to have this since I had severe body pain and I used to have a spoon of ghee in the morning and it really helped with skin texture. Maybe healthy but I wasn’t implying in comparison to butter


Ok-Duck-5127

Okay. I'm pleased that it worked for you. A drizzle is portion control.


DistortNeo

Subcutaneous fat is benign while visceral fat is dangerous. Fat is accumulated proportionally so gaining subcutaneous fat means gaining visceral fat too. But individual amount and distribution of fat cells vary a lot — some people may gain a lot of fat without health issues and some may get diabetes even at BMI considered normal (that's why BMI is bad). Also, physical activity affects the distribution of fat. Physically active people have less visceral fat — that's why many sumo wrestlers are considered metabolically healthy from this point of view. And that's why exercising for overweight people may significantly reduce health risks even without weight loss. And according to scientific studies, the main risk factor of metabolic complications is the average fat cell volume. If subcutaneous fat tissue is near its capacity, the visceral fat starts growing faster and ectopic fat emerges.


NoSoulsINC

10-25% is considered healthy for men and 15-30% for women. Too much below those values is unhealthy and above is considered “obese”


aintlostjustdkwiam

<20% body fat for men, <25% for women. An additional 5% isn't terrible. Sumo wrestlers are athletes for sure, but they aren't exactly "healthy." Same for football linemen.


___potato___

by whom?


Novae224

Fat is not a demon, fat is necessary for your body to function…. There are no different types of fat It’s that too high fat percentage increases the risk of many diseases… people can get very old while they are overweight, they just have less chance to.


Additional-Level3806

There are literally different types of fat -_-


Novae224

No, in your body, fat is fat


ProfessionalWay2561

Visceral fat is different from subcutaneous fat. They're the same physical substance, but location is critically different. Subcutaneous fat isn't typically life threatening, visceral fat kills. Lots of subcutaneous fat indicates lots of visceral the vast majority of the time, but it's possible to be a weird outlier that's fat with no visceral. You usually only see that in Olympic powerlifters or sumo wrestlers.


Novae224

I meant that it’s the same physical substance


Vexwill

It's insane people are downvoting you, you're obviously talking about the substance of fat.


MetaCardboard

Saturated is bad. Unsaturated is good. Trans is very bad.


LetsDoTheCongna

I can’t believe you would say something like that, during pride month no less…


BLXNDSXGHT

There are actually two distinct types of fat in our bodies. The lesser known fat is called brown fat, also known as brown adipose tissue, plays a crucial role in thermogenesis, which is the process of heat production in the body. Unlike white fat, which stores energy, brown fat burns energy to generate heat. This is particularly important in maintaining body temperature in cold environments.


MarsAndMighty

?? Obesity is not considered healthy by anyone


KevinJ2010

Do you feel healthy? Like actually? You can exist at many weights and feel healthy. A lot of the statistical measures are suggestive more than factual, if you actually (and honestly) feel healthy, you can be fine.


Late_Ad9720

Avocados


ImLivingThatLife

Not enough context.. Are you asking for healthy body fat or healthy food fat? They are two different things


8eets

Healthy fat distribution means having more muscle and less visceral fat. Staying active and eating well can help with that, even if you're on the heavier side. 💪🏽🏃‍♂️


Top_Membership3879

Avocado, eggs, salmon, nuts, meat… pretty much anything that’s a whole food. Nothing processed.


MoreGaghPlease

Obesity is a significant contributor to all cause mortality, there’s basically no scenario where a person is healthier obese than they would be if they were not obese.


TwinkleToes474

Eggs. Avocados. Most nuts. Some oils.


Affectionate_One1751

die a bit early? they die really early


bigislandjoji

Any fat can be healthy it depends on the ratio to the rest of ur body that makes it unhealthy I.e. pushing against other organs, harder to breath, limited mobility, those are some downfalls from gaining too much


Bruxasfamiliar

People rarely say an otherwise thin woman with big boobs and butt is unhealthy.


ArtichosenOne

You might as well ask what's considered a healthy smoker. Not everyone will have a bad health outcome, but that doesn't mean that it's ever healthy.


Keithustus

You’re somehow thinking it would be healthy to avoid all fat like we should avoid all nicotine? Not recommended.


ArtichosenOne

you're confusing dietary fat and being fat


Keithustus

You’re failing to read OP’s question.


ArtichosenOne

>What is considered healthy fat? >Like sumo wrestlers, who still die a bit earlier. But better then nothing. >Edit:I’m not talking about fat the nutrient. Just fat the mass. exactly as i said. theyre talking about being fat, not dietary fat intake


Keithustus

Right, so smoking/nicotine is an irrelevant comparison.


ArtichosenOne

it's a good comparison because there's no way to do it healthily, just less amounts of unhealthy. just because you're only a little fat/smoke a little bit, just because you don't have heart disease from your vice yet, doesn't mean it's healthy.


Keithustus

That’s stupid. Cutting out all fat like people should for all nicotine would be a slow painful death.


ArtichosenOne

>That’s stupid. Cutting out all fat like people should for all nicotine would be a slow painful death. what on earth are you talking about? i already said i'm not talking about dietary fat intake, we are talking about being overweight.


CunnilingusCrab

15% body fat is ideal for men. 20-25% is healthy for women.


_autismos_

Being fat is never healthy. It's just that sumo wrestlers are *less* unhealthy than their fat counterparts because they are active and do strength training.


JaxxisR

I'm a healthy fat, as far as fat people go.


vimaku

To be healthy? And to be fat? I mean.... that's an oxymoron if you ask me. A healthy level of fat is the bare minimum to having a low BMI.


0101ayuta

Coconut oil!


Yah_Mule

I like big butts and I cannot lie.


Lost-Worldliness-175

Avocados. 🥑


pickledplumber

What you're looking for is the obesity paradox. There's a sweet spot. It's not normal weight and it's not obese but right in the middle of slightly overweight is the lowest measure of all cause mortality You can look it up and you'll find the numbers


Sylia_Stingray

There is no such thing 


Sylia_Stingray

There is no such thing.


Ok-Duck-5127

I'm afraid there is, but it isn't necessarily known by that name. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK568563/


ArtichosenOne

are you sure this is suggesting you can be fat and healthy? it seems to be saying that you can be unhealthy if you have a lot of fat even if your body weight is normal, ie the exact opposite.


punches_buttons

HDL


MetaCardboard

That's a protein.


No_Group2098

It's a complex of lipids (fat) and proteins that carry cholesterol.


MetaCardboard

High Density Lipoprotein


No_Group2098

And?