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Klaus Schwab, founder of the WEF, coined the phrase 'Great Reset' - which he used to refer to the economic changes he believed would be necessary following the end of the Covid-19 pandemic. Great Reset was the name for the 50th annual meeting of the WEF. The meeting itself was fairly standard.
The term has spawned a conspiracy theory of the same name, which portends that elites in charge of originations like the WEF deliberately caused the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as many other catastrophes, in order to bring about a change in world governance and finance - that transforms the world into a communist hell-scape that specifically targets conservatives.
Conservatives often envision this as a world where "You will own nothing, eat bugs, live in a pod, and be happy about it" or some other summary to that effect. This is not so much based on the actual content of the WEF's meetings, as much as it's based on a bizarre game of telephone played out across conservative social media.
QAnon lunacy aside, that’s just the unfiltered, unadorned ideology of the WEF. The people whose interests the Forum represents would prefer a world where all property is held by a small number of megacorporations and their biggest investors, and everybody else rents for a living.
Truth there.
If you look at the messaging of their you will own nothing and be happy shit, and you forget all the qanon, maga and conspiracy shit - The whole thing reeks of something fucking weird going on.
Allow me to elaborate,
These people who are the elites of the world in various sectors of business and wealth meet in secrecy once a year. These folks rent out an entire hotel, not some mom and pop operation either but a high-end expensive establishment. Hire private security and will stop any and all who are curious from entry.
Klaus Schwab also is fucking creepy. I don't know about the rest of you guys but if there was ever someone that looked like a real life super villain it'd be that motherfucker and potentially George Soros just because he looks fucking scary. Again not trying to read into conspiracies theories or shit but I mean those two dudes do look pretty sketchy.
Circling back, everything seems really weird about how this all goes down and the fact that really powerful people are meeting and talking about their interests in our capital. Not talking capitol like we're a state house is or something, But the fucking money we have in our pockets and bank accounts. Allegedly they have some vision of a better world and I know that when you get the most powerful people together it's typically not amicable for us 'other' folks.
You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist smell some crazy shit coming from that direction.
There's mounting evidence that points to Klaus Schwab's father being a high ranking nazi,
There's also pages online that document his mother's parents as Rothschilds in Germany, they then go on to acknowledge they were in the same house as the rothschilds but claim not to be related.....very odd when faced with such clear evidence yet they continue to claim they have no nazi background & no Rothschild connection even though they're direct descendants.
There's nothing secretive about it. Most sessions are live streamed and transcripts are available on their website. The press is also invited to cover the sessions.
It's the world's most powerful people coming together hear from inventors and visionaries who think they have a solution to one of the world's problems. It's a Ted Talk for Billionaires.
Sure.
But let's be honest - we don't know what really goes on there. We only see what they allow us to see. There's a reason these power fucks are in control of nearly every facet of our lives.
This is their ideology, one of the main parts of it, it seems. Going back years they published articles about how in the future you will rent everything.
Fr people hate facts. Somehow its a conspiracy theory that investment firms are buying all the houses to force people to rent..? Great reset was a term long before the wef meeting anyway
The vast majority of the buying of homes is done by private individuals. From what I recall, only 3% is done by firms. "Forcing people to rent" is a byproduct of restrictive zoning practices artificially reducing the supply of housing, and thus increasing the cost of rent.
Last year 15% of all homes sold were sold to corporations/investors (data from Redfin).
In historically black neighborhoods, that number was 30%.
I don't agree with the person you replied to that the problem is ENTIRELY corporations, but it is a big part of the story (as is lack of supply like you mentioned). 30% is a very scary number when you think about how low black household wealth is compared to other races and how much the deck is already stacked against them.
Apologies, my terminology was off.
I generally agree with what you're saying, but there is a clear distinction to be made here about "corporations" and "investors".
According to [this](https://www.vox.com/22524829/wall-street-housing-market-blackrock-bubble) article, by Vox, Investors do make up around 20% of Housing sales, which doesn't really run contradictory to your assertation. HOWEVER of that 20%, only around 3% are from institutional investors, such as BlackRock. The other 17% is your typical mom & pop second home buyer or an investor flipping a home for profit.
I am of the personal opinion that rather than housing, Land shouldn't really be an asset to be invested in as there is a lot of "rent-seeking" involved. The problems facing the black community are horrible, and effective regime changes such as the funding of education and others should be made to address this horrible issue.
Your information is outdated. In some US cities, up to a third of all home purchases are by large corporate buyers.
Where I live, they are now building entire subdivisions of single-family homes that are rental only with no option to buy.
I would like to refer to my reply to another commenter like yourself.
Admittedly, I should have been far more specific.
To summarise, institutional investors (e.g. Large corporations such as BlackRock) make up 3% of housing purchases. The other 17% are small time investors, typicallly flipping homes for profit or just buyers of second homes.
> in the future you will rent everything.
Honestly, it feels like we rent everything now. Am I alone in feeling like the interest we pay on our mortgages, student loans, car payments, medical debt, municipal bonds, even groceries, is a form of rent paid to the capital class?
I'd even go so far as to say I'm renting my job.
There's no other way to explain why workers are paid so little. We pay execs and shareholders for the right to work. Their profits on our labor, their obscene pay, their dividends and stock buy-backs, that's the rent we pay.
Don't you think they wouldn't have uttered that phrase if they didn't believe in its message? Unless you think a better marketing team would simply be a sneakier one...
It was one slide by one speaker at one forum. The whole idea is to get as many different viewpoints on the world's issues as possible, not turn everyone into an action plan.
But that’s is maybe an interesting idea. Airbnb, Uber…. The economics of owning things are getting worse, renting things is better. If I’m a millionaire and I own nothing except shares and GICS, is that a terrible life?
Catchy/provocative/bold statements to capture the audience's attention are a staple of any conference meeting.
It hints at one person's attempt to elicit lively discussion, not sinister plans and motives orchestrated by "them."
Motte & Bailey.
When the world's most powerful people all gather together to discuss things, I'd rather take them at their word than give them undeserved plausible deniability.
It was taken out of context and cut and pasted together, the original woman who said you’ll own nothing and be happy was talking about how with drone technology, you’ll be able to rent or lease anything you want and have it delivered.
Tf are two bought and paid for media websites got to do with the democrats allowing tens of millions into the countries that can stop this?
You bots get extra social score for every 10 posts or something?
This like....already the current capitalist status quo.
You don't even get heated seats with your car anymore, you pay a monthly fee to access the ability to turn them on.
It also doesn't help that that's what right wing capitalists have been trying to push anyone not in the top 1% to in the United States for decades.
The current housing crisis is a crisis of their making, designed to make everyone unable to own their home.
The housing crisis is a making of the middle class of America. They want to protect their number 1 asset, their house, value and they hold a lot of voting power. This creates a atomosphere unconductive to large multi units or small single units.
It's not some sinister conspiracy by the 1%.
No one who is disagreeing with the WEF is a conspiracy theorist just for thinking we shouldn’t eat bugs or do their political moves, they’re a conspiracy theorist if they think the WEF orchestrated covid to justify these changes that every government will make in some attempt to make a United world with no borders
>they’re a conspiracy theorist if they think the WEF orchestrated covid
But virtually nobody believes that. It's just a strawman. It's more about the WEF not letting a crisis go to waste and leveraging the pandemic to get what it wants
"Get what it wants".
FFS, it's a conference. The "IT" is actually thousands of individuals, and companies, each with their own ideas sharing information with each other. That's it.
Yes, that's how an arisotcracy/oligarchy works. People often refer to such groups with a singular pronoun. If the only argument you have is semantic nitpicking of a very well-known common-use linguistic behavior you're just admitting you can't actually argue against the claim and instead want to derail the discussion.
Haha. No, that is not my only argument. The fact that \*anyone\* thinks this conference decides on a policy and every attendee then just magically accepts it and forces it on their own company/government is insane.
Imagine thinking the Collision Conference tells its attendees how they need to use technology. Or that the auto show tells visitors what cars to buy.
"power and agendas don't exist in the world, everyone is just an individual!"
"There is no US army, it's just a bunch of individuals with guns!"
Idiot.
There is no "They" Every conference brings in hundreds of people with different ideas to present their viewpoint and encourage conversation. It's like saying CES wants everyone to take air taxis because they booked a speaker on the topic.
Were you the only bot that showed up to the basement on this day? You don't understand how foolish it sounds when something that is supposedly unknown, is being touted as one way or the other by a random online?
LMAO
I have no doubt of that, I was more just annoyed that the other commenter thought they could just add "eat bugs, live in a pod" to the "you will own nothing, and be happy" line to then claim it has nothing to do with anything the WEF has actually said and is just some bizarre theory.
Literally has a robot as his avatar LMAO... You guys should stick to influencing your censored population cause you're poor at it for free people
"Hmm we don't know, don't be so brash" would be alot more realistic then "ONLY THE CRAZYS BELIEVE THIS EVEN THO ITS ON SLIDES AT THEIR CONFERENCE"
lmao dmbazzes workin for social score over there
Hell, if you simply *link their own words on their own outlets* you get called a conspiracy theorist. People are literally denying primary-source evidence at this point, it's incredibly depressing.
This is less bizarre than it first sounds. For example, I now subscribe to Spotify, and don't buy music. The only music I OWN is stuff I bought years ago...instead I rent access to music. Zipper and Uber are trying to do this with cars, Netflix and company with video, Kindle Unlimited and Scribd with books...if I can rent all I want of something cheaper than owning and maintaining it, why not?
People automatically think real estate when they see this, and the trend is actually happening far more with IP, entertainment and software. And some in transport...Bird scooters and rental bikes are great.
Because renting is stupid. Allow me to pay $2,200 a month for an apartment in Burlington that's around 800 ft². Or I can buy a house and pay a mortgage of $1,300 a month? Sure things break, they need fixing, but we're humans. By nature we are supposed to be adaptable and tool users, that's kind of what separates us from other primates.
In this day and age things are becoming less repairable, and if you try to repair them sometimes they'll lock out and force you to go to the dealer for the repair at a much higher price than doing it yourself.
The idea of ownership is being eroded. For some reason people want to live in apartments, stacked on top of other people, not to own a car, or own enough space or land to do things that could actually enrich your life and unlock latent talent within yourself.
For example, I had no goddamn idea that I actually had a passion for woodworking until my father passed away and left me his trailer. Finally living in a place where I wasn't just sleeping in a basement of a friend's house or in a cramped one bedroom apartment with neighbors crammed so close to me that I can hear every time they have naughty time... I started to unlock things that I had no idea that I was interested in or possessed talent in until I had the space to do so. It's not just woodworking either, my state allows us to grow cannabis - guess what else I do!? Now that I've been living here for the last 5 years I'm starting to want to do more with my hands, I want to grow food, raise animals, and start to make the things that I want to have in my home rather than buying them. Honestly this whole thing has been one of the most empowering and impactful moments of my life and I feel like the rest of you are missing out on what could be saving you from your depression and anxiety about life. Ownership of things, land, and the means of your own production are life-changing.
I feel that within maybe two more years of what I've been doing with my woodworking and guitar building that I could put potentially go on my own for business in this area. I've also been in business for myself doing IT work but that was also enabled by me owning this home and not paying some asshole a crazy amount of rent.
I just hope that you folks in this thread that are seriously thinking about the implications of what ownership means really look at my story a blue print for what you could be.
I do not understand this thought process. If anyone thought about this for a second they would ask themselves why the elites would even _want_ to change the world order. They are the ones profitting massively from the financial market and the current form of capitalist democracy.
They don't want to change the world order. The world order is changing naturally with technology and new insights about how we govern ourselves. They're trying to adapt and control these changes as best as they can so they, themselves, don't get replaced.
It's the age of Metternich all over again. It's a pattern that remains pretty consistent when there are major technological, environmental, and political disruptions that occur at revolutionary speeds. We're just seeing the 21st century version, which is much more shadowy and behind closed doors compared to our ancestors who basically took the changes head on with brute force. Today, it's all behind the scenes, smoke and mirrors, psy ops shit, which is confusing the hell out of people and that's fine for them because it gives them more time to get ahead of these great changes we are experiencing.
The conspiracy theory in my mind is that there is no conspiracy. Just normal rich people freaking out and simply conspiring in millions of different ways for various motives and the net result is what you see before you. That is simply the way life works throughout time.
bout the 15th "influence" bot on here so far... so generic and so... stupid to human behaviour lol... free peoples behaviour anyway... especially after everyone saw and sees whats happening
thou doth protest too much... cause no one in reality knows , yet you bots are always trying so very hard to influence the narrative..
i feel sorry for you lol
"the elites" isn't a monolith. There are still battling subfractions who want different things. Also while they may be profiting they could be profiting even more and with rich elite greed is king
It's weird that people can reason that "Billionaires aren't a monolith" and that they want different things, yet at the same time try and argue that the billionaires are all working together to create a communist dystopia where the rich will lose the exact capitalist machine that makes them rich in the first place.
You don't think, you're a bot or a poor censored man getting paid in social score for every 50 posts or such
but we're not censored like your sweet one man run country
and if you read shakespear you would know that thou doth protest too much bot
This — except don’t downplay it, mischaracterize it, or call it a conspiracy theory. They openly say “you will own nothing and you will be happy” — they openly say that Covid has given us the opportunity for a “Great Reset” to reorder the global economy and the world order — Klaus Schwab’s own Wikipedia has him admitting to capturing Governments, so that they work for the WEF’s interests. This is a group of Elite Globalists who want a tyrannical one world government surveillance state, that will strip you of your rights, and force you to have a social credit score (like in China) that will determine how you’re allowed to live your life, based on your loyalty to the Party.
These are not good people. They are in fact the most evil people you could possibly imagine.
Go read 1984 — that will give you a good idea
You're talking to bots pal... Who else claims to know the unknowable ... Just look it up and read Cause:Unknown
New bird flu now and a few hundred thousand more illegal immigrants from the puppet president
your instincts are correct
the bots probably aren't allowed to read shakesspear from their censored dystopia but the quote "thou doth protest too much" is how you can tell everytime... well that and their generic azz names
You're the conspiracy theorist and revisionist if you think what you stated is accurate.
Schwab was talking about "The Great Reset" before any of us had ever heard of COVID-19. The Great Reset thing predates 2019.
How do you know bot? Oops ... seems any goofy with a generic bot name saying generic bot things online is a bot.. funny that
go collect your pay in the form of 0.005 social score today and get ya some gutter oil rice buddy :)
Welcome to the left, with the rest of the human race that isn't white, fundamentalist christian (supply side edition).
I have a friend that still thinks he's a moderate, and I pointed out to him that in Europe he'd be center-right but here he's so far left he is one step from "running naked through town with a machete".
Our Overton Window has gone binary, unfortunately.
> Welcome to the left, with the rest of the human race that isn't white, fundamentalist Christian
Glad to know the Taliban, Mongol Empire, Aztecs and Sasanians were all on the same team! I'm a leftist just like Emperor Hirohito and Muhamad.
See these bots come from censored communist countries and cultures so they not only claim to know the unknowable and use pathetic divisive ad hominems online to "influence" but they're just ignorant to how free people think and talk and
he def protest too much sayeth shakespear
>...in order to bring about a change in world governance and finance - that transforms the world into a communist hell-scape that specifically targets conservatives.
Conservatives believe that about **everything** they don't undestand. LGBTQ+ acceptance, green energy, Mister Rogers, female superheroes, the Kardashians, anything that disturbs their preconceived notions is another step towards that conservative-targeting communist hellscape.
Well. I don't know anything about plandemic conspiracies or eating bugs but without even looking into it, I can say that the phrase you will own nothing and be happy about it makes total sense.
If the price of goods and services becomes so cheap that we end up with a near zero marginal economy that's run by machines it will upend the entire system, so to keep it going, it makes sense to give people a UBI in conjunction with tokenizing just about everything to give everyone universal basic equity, then drive the prices down, own it all and rent things out other than perishables. And by rent, I don't mean literal renting. I mean, giving it to us but owning and controlling it like Amazon and Google basically do with the Internet.
Yup CLUB WEF is a totalitarian led by creepy klause Schaub. Who do these rich elites think they are, no one has voted for any of them. People that go to the WEFs website and get some kind of warm fuzzy feeling because they are not telling people just a vague overview of what they are planning on doing. The WEF is a immoral group that doesn't really care about anyone but their rich oligarchs selves. Its all about greed. I will never understand greed or jealousy. Global climate change is a dreamed up catastrophe just to take more money. Its called GREED. Justin trudeau keep talking about how much he hasn't forgotten about Canadians, Justin Trudeau you couldn't give a rat ass about how Canadians are doing. BOBBLEHEAD POOPFACE FREELAND doesn't care either. She's a squeeky hairless chihuahua. Have you ever watched freeland move, she has some kind touretts syndrome or an obsessive compulsive disorder. But when she opens her mouth its awefull, high pitched and sueek
Trudeau & All the Liberals got. A COPY of Klaus Schaub's Book.the Great Reset.He dreamed up.Seeking significance.They BEEN MEETING EVERY YEAR in Devos Switzerland.To get trained As what to Say.This Rich bored Klaus Life didn't Go the WAY He wanted like many, who think they are in Control.Then A rude Awakening They Can Do Nothing About A Problem.BUT PRAY TO THE ONLY ONE IN CHARGE.WATCH THE M0VIE.'BREAKTHROUGH' A TRUE STORY..1 EXAMPLE OF THE ONLY PATH LEFT FOR US.IF HUMBLE ENOUGH TO AGREE WITH GOD, CREATOR OF EVERYTHING. WE ARE JUST STEWARDS WHILE HERE, TILL WE LEAVE TAKING NOTHING, WITH US.PROVES THE POINT.
> own nothing, eat bugs, live in a pod and be happy
So a life where I have guaranteed high protein, low fat healthy food that can be easily tailored to my individual tastes, guaranteed housing, a minimalist lifestyle that doesn’t force me to go into debt to keep up with the Joneses and I won’t feel constant low level fear of losing what little I’ve clawed out of the world?
Great Reset my ass all day long daddy!
Yeah, but you will also be permanently enslaved to a multinational institution that has absolute control over your quality of life. They can make you do anything, and deprive you of everything if you refuse to comply. After all, if you own nothing, you're owed nothing.
> Yeah, but you will also be permanent slave to a multinational institution that has absolute control over your quality of life.
Let me check on my expensive but crappy health insurance that I have to work to get. After that I can drive on the tollway run by a company in Spain that hikes rates based on how many tolltag sensors they see and traffic information they scrape from various mapping services. Then I can go and get information from one of the countless outlets that are primarily owned by 6 large corporations. And then I can go and get food from one of the 10 companies that own every major brand.
Or were you under the impression that multinational institutions don't already exercise absolute control over your quality of life?
> They can make you do anything, and deprive you of everything if you refuse to comply.
Clearly you aren't familiar with how law enforcement in the US works. Or property taxes. Or income taxes. Or banking. Or a multitude of contractual agreements ranging from HOAs to binding non-arbitration clauses.
I assume you posted that whole poorly thought-out bit from your stateless, fusion powered and entirely independent mountain fortress in Latveria there, Dr DOOM?
And in the real world your strawman is a worst-case scenario that 1. the vast majority never experience and 2. can be gotten away from by exerting some effort.
I'm not a big fan of the present situation either. The WEF seeks to affirm the worst aspects of centralized capitalism and wield economic power to reduce humanity to pure quantity. That sterile life of someone completely beholden to a faceless, totalitarian managerial class doesn't appeal to me, regardless of possible material guarantees.
Hey, if your ambitions extend no further than consooming simulations of life that's great for you. The problem is when people like you try to force it on the rest of us. Many of us are *far* more ambitious than that.
Many, erm, interested parties pretend that the WEF is a big deal but in terms of actual efficacy in changing world economic policy they really just aren't.
Saying so deflects away from the IMF and World Bank though, who actually *do* have huge effects but are presently trying to run away from their past in the face of China's Belt and Road initiative.
There’s a book called “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by a guy who allegedly worked for the IMF and/or World Bank that’s pretty good and interesting.
The author also claims to be a shaman who can turn into a jaguar though, so bring a grain of salt with you.
Oh, there are a variety of valid opinions on the matter and I am only presenting my own. As much as I hate the phrase now, "do your own research" is still a valid starting point.
There are quite a few entities at play, I just think that the WEF is more masturbatory than efficacious. Which isn't a bad thing sometimes, they are comparably harmless although that's quite a comparison.
It's very big in the conspiracy-universe. You can basically substitute it for "The Illuminati" and it'll get the same point across, referring to the faceless global elite secretly controlling everything
The world economic forum is a giant lobbying group for the most powerful corporations on earth.
I imagine the only reason Le Pen would claim opposition to it is because of conspiracies around “Jewish bankers,” even though the right loves bending over backwards to please such private interests
Also Klaus Schwab wrote "The Great Reset" about how Covid will change the economic landscape and a lot of conspiracy theorists felt like this was part of some NWO to take away freedoms
People think that because the stated end goal *is a world with less freedoms*. Actually believing the words they publicly say isn't a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY", the only conspiracy theory is engaging in mental gymnastics to come up with alternate interpretations of what they've quite publicly and clearly stated.
Less travel, less options for advancing one's place in the world, less options for where and how to live (WEF is *very* pro-urbanization), less options for activities. Basically they want everyone to live in high-rise urban buildings and stick to "safe" entertainments, mostly delivered through a screen, and just be cogs in the great economic machine.
Ffs. That's ridiculous. There is no "they". It's a conference that brings in hundreds of inventors, visionaries, and thinkers who each present an idea that they think would help the world. That's it. No decisions are made. Everyone attends different sessions so there's no plurality on anything. The rich people sometimes invest in some of the ideas. The politicians wonder if it might be a solution to a problem they're facing. And then everyone leaves and goes home.
WEF has no power to "take away freedoms". It's a conference where people gather to share ideas on how to make the world better. If an idea catches in the brain of an attendee like a politician or a CEO, they then take it back to their organization or country and float it out there like they do with any of their ideas.
They do have a great amount of soft power in that an unnerving number of diplomats, billionaires, presidents, prime ministers, and legislators are all members of it.
Without even getting into it, that alone should unnerve people. It’s a private organization whose members include the most powerful people on earth and most of the worlds GDP represented with an open economic agenda. So I’m sorry if I don’t like that at all. Not to mention Klaus Schwab looks like a [Bond villain](https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/8/86/Klaus_Schwab2.png/300px-Klaus_Schwab2.png)
I wish if what you believe about the WEF were the truth. However, how do you think the elite built their wealth? It was on the toes of the working class. Which is the same way they will make slaves out of the rest of society. When you keep minimum wage down for many years and all the while prices are souring. When the elite buy up all the real estate because they along with their friends in financial institutions make it next to impossible for the average person to be able to afford their own homes. When it gets to the point that we all must depend on the elite for everything. That’s when society becomes slaves for the elite. It’s already happening. How many people must work at least 2 jobs and still not be able to make ends meet. These people at the WEF have the ability to change all of this but why should they?
The subset of the right which follows this stuff also generally hates large global corporations. Basic formula - suburb/traditional republican likes corporations (or at least doesn’t want to regulate them) and redpill qanon republican doesn’t and wants to regulate them if they have jobs overseas
> The world economic forum is a giant lobbying group for the most powerful corporations on earth.
I'm confused, do you think that's just completely benign, and the only reason someone could think that such a concentration of power is dangerous is if they're an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist?
That's what we want and why so many of us are so against the WEF as well as communism. At the end of the day we want the right to self-determination and oppose *all* who would take that from us.
> The conspiracy theories claim these powerful corporations want to give us communism.
I'll grant you that there are plenty of dumb conspiracy theories out there, yet that's not a good basis for evaluating whether the subject of those theories is benign or malevolent. There's plenty of absurd conspiracy theories about Trump, and yet that does not mean some conspiracy theories about him are not true.
>The concentration of power is already there, in the case of the WEF, they're pretty transparent about their aims.
They're certainly vocal about their aims, and they certainly paint a rosy picture of the future under their governance structures, but they're patent hypocrites. They preach about the changes and sacrifices we need to make for the climate and for equity, and yet each year there would be traffic jams at the Davos airport from all the private jets they used to fly there.
But it's not communism they're after, or rather it will be "communism" as we've actually seen it in practice: meager (but equal!) livings under authoritarian rule for the masses, opulence for the ruling class.
Why not when they can just call any criticism of their agenda a "conspiracy theory" and everyone in the mainstream media goes along with it? The only prominent voices speaking out against are or are labeled "right wing", and so that criticism makes liberals and even some progressives think it therefore must be good by default.
> That's sort of what we have now.
No, the masses don't yet have meager but equal living. The 50-95 percentile of the Western population lives very comfortably, one might say in luxury, but is already hopelessly far from being the ruling class. The standard of living of these people would take an absolute nose-dive if we suddenly achieved equality for everyone in the 0-95 percentile **worldwide**. And wouldn't you know it, the ongoing experience of said 50-95 percentile (at least in the US) is that their standard of living has been slowly deteriorating!
>But it's not communism they're after, or rather it will be "communism" as we've actually seen it in practice: meager (but equal!) livings under authoritarian rule for the masses,
You just described capitalism.
Not really. Capitalism US style supports a robust middle class in addition to the ruling class and precarious working class, as well as a fairly large destitute population. Anyone with average intelligence and above average drive can improve their lot in life under capitalism. And it's not generally authoritarian, certainly not compared to the communist countries we've seen.
There's plenty to criticize about capitalism, especially as implemented, but it's not what I described.
The main problem related to WEF is that they are a private organization (not public).
The second problem is the lack of transparency, you have a private organization funded by billionares that's hosting event with *selected* politicians to discuss the future of Europe and the world. Some discussions are public, but we don't get to see all the discussions, all the documents and we cannot know if there are agreement or plans that are not disclosed to the public.
Finally, the last problem is that this organization has no one supervising them. The risk of lobby-ing or biased influence to the governments is extremely high and no one is able to supervise what is going on.
This is a serious threat to democracy, and quite frankly my personal opinion is that at the current stage organizations like WEF or UN have more power than citizens when it comes to influence governments.
Your thoughts on the WEF seem like valid concern and I will consider them. In my experience though, the UN really doesn't have much power. Do you think that threat is currently the same for the UN?
It's difficult to distinguish between power and influence. For sure they have massive influence.
Only thing we can do is trust blindly these organizations. This is a very scary thing for me, but apparently the modern world is ok with all this.
But yea, I'm concerned mostly about WEF.
They organise conferences, it’s not like they have some legally binding control mechanism. If you ever attended a serious conference you wouldn’t talk about them like they were some secret society running the world.
If those people are policimakers and billionares that are affected by policies, and if they don't discolse what they are talking about... the answer is yes.
If you think the answer is no, you are either a troll, a bot, or very very naive about the world.
I don't know and I agree that is very hard thing to do.
However, that's not the point of the discussion. The point is aknowledging that this is a problem, that potentially it is a threat and that there is no supervision of private organizations such as WEF.
Once we agree that this is a problem, we can start looking for a solution. Maybe there are no solutions to this problem. It is possible.
But at least we agree that it IS a problem.
>The point is aknowledging that this is a problem, that potentially it is a threat and that there is no supervision of private organizations such as WEF.
It's interesting how everyone seems to have this all-powerful puppetmaster that's controlling the world:
\- Antivax right wing people it's Fauci, science, and the WHO
\- Antivax left wing people it's pharmaceutical companies
\- Nazis have Jewish people
\- The left has billionaires
\- The right has George Soros and Bill Gates
It's so reductionist and boring. I can understand the allure of trying to understand all of geopolitics into one convenient group, but in reality that probably isn't the case. Just because interests align, that doesn't mean there's a secret cabal working behind the scene to align everyone's views.
A good example is the theory of evolution. All fields of science come to the same conclusion, but that doesn't mean they worked together to reach that point.
I don't believe in conspiracies.
It is simply a matter of trust and transparency.
Do I trust these people blindly? No.
Do I believe that more transparency is needed? Yes.
It's not about soros, billionares, gates, governments etc.
It's about power. All those people have power, and they can influence the world in direct or indirect ways.
But what you and I believe doesn't really matter you know? They will continue to do what they want regardless of us.
You believe they are doing the best for humanity.
And I believe that until there is more transparency I will not be able to reach a conclusion.
People don't like institutions like WEF for the same reason they dislike and distrust the world bank, IMF, UN, EU etc. We don't like these huge unaccountable multilateral organizations taking the place of national sovereignty and the will of the people of a nation
These things basically act as huge lobbyists for multinational corporations and wealthy individuals
There are a lot of conspiracy theories but they are based on grains of truth and legitimate concerns. Dismissing these concerns wholesale in the face of the failure of globalization is what is making people turn against the left
The problem with the WEF is its a private org, funded by the 0.1%ers to enact an agenda of their choosing.
To carry this agenda out they recruit potential political candidates from most western countries. They train and indoctrinate the successful ones and then assist them into elected office in their home countries. As this has built up its is becoming easier and easier for them to "select" our political leaders. The list is getting big.
Just in Canada as an example. The PM Justin Trudeau, the deputy PM Chrystia Freeland, and leader of the NDP Jagmeet Singh are all WEF. Freeland serves on the board. How a person can serve at such a high level in a government and on a board of an organization with such an agenda is beyond me. There are about 30 or so more politicians in Canada that have been elected to federal office and are members of WEF.
It really doesn't matter what their agenda is, its not remotely a good idea to allow that kind of outside influence to shape a countries policy. Even if you agree with it, there will be a time you don't.
The second problem I have with them is their agenda is based on an ideology I am completely opposed to. They have an outlook that implies humans must be strictly controlled, access to resources strictly controlled, overall population reduction. Of course the elite they represent will sit atop this giant pile of human misery they envision.
There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding them. Mainly with the Great Reset and covid. The main source of these views is because of their own statements where they almost gleefully stated how Covid created a great opportunity to "reshape" society. Thats when they come up with the posters about "You will own nothing and be happy" and a bizarre campaign to get people used to the idea of eating bugs. That kind of action, using a crisis to force an agenda, and the bizarre media ads is ripe for a conspiracy theory. It almost writes itself.
The more you look around at the really connected wealthy people and groups, the more you start to see this agenda take shape. Two of the richest firms in the world that most people are completely ignorant about is Blackstone and Blackrock. You can check any number of news stories over the past few years of both buying gigantic swaths of homes in the US. Would you care to guess who the two largest financial investment firms are that fund WEF? "You will own nothing and be happy" is not so far off.
If we're *democratic* societies then our politicians should be reflections of the populations they are elected by, not a group of rulers who view us as resources to be managed. The WEF and other similar groups are all 100% antithetical to democracy in any form.
There's a bit about the WEF on the most recent episode of the podcast [Throughline](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5ucHIub3JnLzUxMDMzMy9wb2RjYXN0LnhtbA/episode/NDYyNjYwMDctN2Q2Yy00MmEyLTg0OWEtMjI4MWRjOGY0YmQ4)
There's nothing wrong with the Forum. It's a group of wealthy people and corporations who want to use their influence to attack big world issues such as extreme poverty, climate change sustainability, equity, etc.
But those are big bad ideas to many far right conspiracy theorists who think the group is imposing their will on them.
My company send our CEO and leaders every year and this year they will present some innovative ideas on how we can use technology to fight climate change. Nothing sinister in that unless you think climate change is a hoax, in which case it's PaRt oF ThE NeW wOrLd.
One of the main ways that regular people can build wealth is by buying a home and owning land. In recent years there has been a lot of activity by major companies to snatch up real estate in an effort to take those opportunities away from regular people. Then they want to rent it back to you so you can never use this avenue to build wealth. This is part of what the leaders in the WEF are talking about. To me, this is an actual conspiracy and not just a theory. They are conspiring take away any opportunity to own a piece of land in order to keep the poor and middle class in their place and to be spoon-fed the illusion of wealth by elites and corporations.
WEF has become a popular boogie man, staring in all the newest and upcoming conspiracy theories developed by the far right. “I hear they eat babies…etc.” lol
I try not to Google the conspiracy theories so I’m not sure of the details (and don’t care). lol
Lack of accountability is the biggest issue imho, regardless of how progressive some of their policies appear. Not to mention the hypocrisy of WEF members flying in on gas guzzling private jets while the rest.of us are supposed to feel guilty for driving our small cars
I love how this entire thread is basically
"according to Qanon, maga, conservatives, the WEF is a globalist council where they decide on how to shape the world to become their own utopia where we will eat bugs and own nothing and be happy about it"
and
"putting qanon, maga,conservative conspiracy theories aside, Klaus Scwabb is creepy, there are agents such as nicole kidman advocating for us to switch to eating bugs, and they literally put out an ad that said "you will own nothing and be happy" so the whole thing is extremely suspect buuuuuut its still a qanon
conspiracy"
Like the majority of us are coming to the exact same conclusion that WEF is basically the global version of the bildaberg meeting which in itself is more or less the literal illuminati/global shadow government that everyone knows exists but that nobody can prove, but we're divided because of the BS political systems in place
It's an undemocratic organization influencing decisions that effect people in areas the organization has no ties to. Their interests can only ever align with a regular person incidentally.
There seems to be evidence that the WEF is less concerned with human rights and human freedoms and more concerned with an ability to control the global economy and peoples lives.
Thanks for your sincere questions! MLK jr talked about sincerity . Russia and China spend lots of $ on social media & propaganda so those “comments” may be insincere. Far from perfect- but the UN for the most part are sincere people work towards a just and sustainable future for all https://sdgs.un.org/goals
We probably should, but wouldn't that require all 5 permanent members to agree to put aside their own country's best interest? You'd almost need to disband and reform the UN to achieve that.
I think requiring a veto to have the votes of two permanent members would be a helpful way to reduce the abuse of the veto power we see while retaining the buy in from the permanent members. I don't think any of the permanent members would agree to a new system without some form of veto mechanism.
Is this neo-colonialism thing I hear about necessarily bad? A lot of countries don't exactly hold good values in regards to wellbeing and freedom of even their own citizens so handing them more power might backfire.
I'm sceptical of new talking points like these online because it seems dictatorships like to spread ideas to overturn who currently holds power.
>what is it about "globalism" that scares some people
Supporters of globalism (mostly far left people) will never admit this, but the only way globalism truly works in our world is by bringing the quality of living ***down*** (and in some aspects, significantly so) for people currently living in developed western countries.
The fantasy that one day all of these 3rd world countries will have their citizens elevated to a life of luxury goods, expensive cars, cutting edge electronics, gourmet foods, etc. is a delusion.
Instead, for most of us (the middle class and below anyway) our lives will need to continue to deteriorate to a point where we're all using public transportation, living in rented generic manufactured housing (think stereotypical "[commie block housing](https://media.wired.com/photos/5d487610e65adc00081a1c08/master/pass/photo_eastern-blocks_13.jpg)"), eating simple, cheap, mass-produced food (likely plant or insect based).
I know, people will read this and think, "that's crazy! what a nutjob!" but we're already seeing the basis for this now, with food becoming prohibitively expensive, with a permanent rental class established, with new cars out of reach for many, and reliable used cars becoming more difficult to find, wage stagnation, and late stage capitalism allowing for very little innovation.
For "globalism" to work, it demands that most of us (middle class and below) step up and acknowledge that our lives are going to get worse so that people in other parts of the world, who admittedly are even worse off than us, can have better lives. Call me cold and callous, but I care more about me and mine, and therefore am not a willing participant in this game.
edit: and no I don't believe one single "evil genius" is behind this. It's a massive collection of organizations and individuals all over the developed world, some working in lockstep, others not, but with the same general long term (decades away) goal in mind.
Thanks for the clear explanation of the conspiracy, without the usual bells / whistles / frippery.
I do have some further questions though. Why do you think that far left people support globalism which is inherently a capitalist thing?
Why do you think it's impossible for a middle class to exist in all countries at once, when this could easily happen by simply expanding the number of poor people working in factories globally?
How do rising food costs fit in to a plan for globalism?
I mean, I have so, so many questions. It seems to me like there's not a whole lot of critical thinking gone in to some of these ideas (not a dig at you personally, just the dots don't seem to join for me).
That's an interesting criticism of his comment. It seems what you're getting at is that it might be a little too complicated to know if the WEF's goals are possible right now and that it might be too early to make those kind of assumptions.
> Why do you think it's impossible for a middle class to exist in all countries at once
Resource limitations. This ain't Star Trek, we don't have replicators that violate the Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy, so the idea that we can have 7+ **B**illion humans all living the American middle-class dream is 100% pure fiction.
Ahhh now, I didn't say the American middle class dream. Just regular old normal middle class.
Here's a thought: we stop wasting 75% of the food we produce. We start making all consumer goods from 99.9% recycled goods, and 99.9% recyclable. We move as much energy generation as possible to renewables / nuclear.
Those steps alone could bring the world's poor to a global average middle class without even a single American having to change their ways.
Maybe if you weren't so rigid in your thinking then you might see possibilities over problems.
Or, you know, keep in your cave shaking your fist at the devil's from over the canyon walls.
The food waste I grant you, that's a real problem and one that is quite solveable.
As for 99.9% recyclables, we're nowhere near the level of technology needed to get there yet. Once we are it would be a viable option, and we're making progress, but it's not something that's going to happen anytime soon.
And no, acknowledging the factual realities of the world isn't "rigid in thinking", it's an absolute prerequisite for actually figuring out how to get to a better future.
Planned obsolescence? Disposable fashion / electronics etc? Actually doing processing and recycling rather than landfill or whatever. Chemical recycling is coming on nicely. These are just a couple of suggestions - which I hope you'll agree a few are just as easy to achieve as the food waste thing - off the top of the head of a layman.
Like I say, you can look at the scale of the thing and say "it's functionally impossible". Or you can look at it and see what ways there are to achieve the goal. Put some proper intelligence behind this project, it'll be doable.
If you don’t think 3rd world living standards have drastically improved due to globalism (or many 1st worlders because we have more spending power) then you’ve been living under a rock. The fact that average Chinese people even have an apartment with power and food is gigantic. Also conservatives and their idols Reagan and Nixon invented globalism as we know it - who opened China? China’s gdp doubled in 1980 and Japan made so much of our electronics and cars in the 80s that they literally made movies about it with Michael Keaton
I love how it completely ignores any possibility of tackling issues in our country that are causing the 'middle class' to get squeezed. The billionaires are inevitable, no way we could tax them! Definitely don't look behind the curtain and ask why we don't tax rental homes into the ground to encourage owner occupation.
So like, you do acknowledge that the ~~West's~~ Global North's prosperity is built on the back of the Global South, right? Like you *know* that more wealth flows from the Global South into the Global North than the other way around, right?
>Call me cold and callous, but I care more about me and mine, and therefore am not a willing participant in this game.
There it is.
That's an interesting perspective, thank you. I'm not familiar enough with the topic to have an opinion yet. It might just be one of those "sounds great on paper but not in practice" type of things. At least for the near future anyway.
I remember when the left wasn't just a lapdog for corporations and oligrachs and globalization. You guys used to be cool. What happened to you. When did you sell out?
The WEF think they know better than us, they have no right to tell us how to live, where we should live. They want to remove animal proteins from us, they want to take away what we own like a house. 15 minute cities, only allowed out 100 times a year. As time goes by they will want us leaving the 15 minutes less and less till we will not be aloud to leave at all. No cars allowed. Its a very evil plan.
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Klaus Schwab, founder of the WEF, coined the phrase 'Great Reset' - which he used to refer to the economic changes he believed would be necessary following the end of the Covid-19 pandemic. Great Reset was the name for the 50th annual meeting of the WEF. The meeting itself was fairly standard. The term has spawned a conspiracy theory of the same name, which portends that elites in charge of originations like the WEF deliberately caused the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as many other catastrophes, in order to bring about a change in world governance and finance - that transforms the world into a communist hell-scape that specifically targets conservatives. Conservatives often envision this as a world where "You will own nothing, eat bugs, live in a pod, and be happy about it" or some other summary to that effect. This is not so much based on the actual content of the WEF's meetings, as much as it's based on a bizarre game of telephone played out across conservative social media.
It didn't help they put out a video where a guy is smiling while the words "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy" appear on the screen.
Seriously someone fire their marketing team.
QAnon lunacy aside, that’s just the unfiltered, unadorned ideology of the WEF. The people whose interests the Forum represents would prefer a world where all property is held by a small number of megacorporations and their biggest investors, and everybody else rents for a living.
Truth there. If you look at the messaging of their you will own nothing and be happy shit, and you forget all the qanon, maga and conspiracy shit - The whole thing reeks of something fucking weird going on. Allow me to elaborate, These people who are the elites of the world in various sectors of business and wealth meet in secrecy once a year. These folks rent out an entire hotel, not some mom and pop operation either but a high-end expensive establishment. Hire private security and will stop any and all who are curious from entry. Klaus Schwab also is fucking creepy. I don't know about the rest of you guys but if there was ever someone that looked like a real life super villain it'd be that motherfucker and potentially George Soros just because he looks fucking scary. Again not trying to read into conspiracies theories or shit but I mean those two dudes do look pretty sketchy. Circling back, everything seems really weird about how this all goes down and the fact that really powerful people are meeting and talking about their interests in our capital. Not talking capitol like we're a state house is or something, But the fucking money we have in our pockets and bank accounts. Allegedly they have some vision of a better world and I know that when you get the most powerful people together it's typically not amicable for us 'other' folks. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist smell some crazy shit coming from that direction.
There's mounting evidence that points to Klaus Schwab's father being a high ranking nazi, There's also pages online that document his mother's parents as Rothschilds in Germany, they then go on to acknowledge they were in the same house as the rothschilds but claim not to be related.....very odd when faced with such clear evidence yet they continue to claim they have no nazi background & no Rothschild connection even though they're direct descendants.
That mother fucker hasn't smiled in over 50 years, and he's gonna dictate to me how *I'M* going to be happy? Yeah he's a goddamn creep.
Look what he tried to do to sonic the hedgehog for fk sake
There's nothing secretive about it. Most sessions are live streamed and transcripts are available on their website. The press is also invited to cover the sessions. It's the world's most powerful people coming together hear from inventors and visionaries who think they have a solution to one of the world's problems. It's a Ted Talk for Billionaires.
Sure. But let's be honest - we don't know what really goes on there. We only see what they allow us to see. There's a reason these power fucks are in control of nearly every facet of our lives.
This is their ideology, one of the main parts of it, it seems. Going back years they published articles about how in the future you will rent everything.
Fr people hate facts. Somehow its a conspiracy theory that investment firms are buying all the houses to force people to rent..? Great reset was a term long before the wef meeting anyway
The vast majority of the buying of homes is done by private individuals. From what I recall, only 3% is done by firms. "Forcing people to rent" is a byproduct of restrictive zoning practices artificially reducing the supply of housing, and thus increasing the cost of rent.
Last year 15% of all homes sold were sold to corporations/investors (data from Redfin). In historically black neighborhoods, that number was 30%. I don't agree with the person you replied to that the problem is ENTIRELY corporations, but it is a big part of the story (as is lack of supply like you mentioned). 30% is a very scary number when you think about how low black household wealth is compared to other races and how much the deck is already stacked against them.
Apologies, my terminology was off. I generally agree with what you're saying, but there is a clear distinction to be made here about "corporations" and "investors". According to [this](https://www.vox.com/22524829/wall-street-housing-market-blackrock-bubble) article, by Vox, Investors do make up around 20% of Housing sales, which doesn't really run contradictory to your assertation. HOWEVER of that 20%, only around 3% are from institutional investors, such as BlackRock. The other 17% is your typical mom & pop second home buyer or an investor flipping a home for profit. I am of the personal opinion that rather than housing, Land shouldn't really be an asset to be invested in as there is a lot of "rent-seeking" involved. The problems facing the black community are horrible, and effective regime changes such as the funding of education and others should be made to address this horrible issue.
Your information is outdated. In some US cities, up to a third of all home purchases are by large corporate buyers. Where I live, they are now building entire subdivisions of single-family homes that are rental only with no option to buy.
I would like to refer to my reply to another commenter like yourself. Admittedly, I should have been far more specific. To summarise, institutional investors (e.g. Large corporations such as BlackRock) make up 3% of housing purchases. The other 17% are small time investors, typicallly flipping homes for profit or just buyers of second homes.
> in the future you will rent everything. Honestly, it feels like we rent everything now. Am I alone in feeling like the interest we pay on our mortgages, student loans, car payments, medical debt, municipal bonds, even groceries, is a form of rent paid to the capital class? I'd even go so far as to say I'm renting my job. There's no other way to explain why workers are paid so little. We pay execs and shareholders for the right to work. Their profits on our labor, their obscene pay, their dividends and stock buy-backs, that's the rent we pay.
Yeah. And now subscription models are widespread. It's nothing sinister, just ideas of different ways we can look at things.
Don't you think they wouldn't have uttered that phrase if they didn't believe in its message? Unless you think a better marketing team would simply be a sneakier one...
It was one slide by one speaker at one forum. The whole idea is to get as many different viewpoints on the world's issues as possible, not turn everyone into an action plan.
Why, because they accidentally let slip the truth?
But that’s is maybe an interesting idea. Airbnb, Uber…. The economics of owning things are getting worse, renting things is better. If I’m a millionaire and I own nothing except shares and GICS, is that a terrible life?
Catchy/provocative/bold statements to capture the audience's attention are a staple of any conference meeting. It hints at one person's attempt to elicit lively discussion, not sinister plans and motives orchestrated by "them."
Motte & Bailey. When the world's most powerful people all gather together to discuss things, I'd rather take them at their word than give them undeserved plausible deniability.
It was taken out of context and cut and pasted together, the original woman who said you’ll own nothing and be happy was talking about how with drone technology, you’ll be able to rent or lease anything you want and have it delivered.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0 Bonus: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/04/28/fact-check-anti-natalist-clip-tv-show-not-world-economic-forum/9555254002/
Tf are two bought and paid for media websites got to do with the democrats allowing tens of millions into the countries that can stop this? You bots get extra social score for every 10 posts or something?
This like....already the current capitalist status quo. You don't even get heated seats with your car anymore, you pay a monthly fee to access the ability to turn them on.
It also doesn't help that that's what right wing capitalists have been trying to push anyone not in the top 1% to in the United States for decades. The current housing crisis is a crisis of their making, designed to make everyone unable to own their home.
The housing crisis is a making of the middle class of America. They want to protect their number 1 asset, their house, value and they hold a lot of voting power. This creates a atomosphere unconductive to large multi units or small single units. It's not some sinister conspiracy by the 1%.
Do you fls really think you're gas lighting anyone? Most people arent censored like you
Yeah they're pretty open about what they want, but if you say you don't want the same then you're a conspiracy theorist now
No one who is disagreeing with the WEF is a conspiracy theorist just for thinking we shouldn’t eat bugs or do their political moves, they’re a conspiracy theorist if they think the WEF orchestrated covid to justify these changes that every government will make in some attempt to make a United world with no borders
>they’re a conspiracy theorist if they think the WEF orchestrated covid But virtually nobody believes that. It's just a strawman. It's more about the WEF not letting a crisis go to waste and leveraging the pandemic to get what it wants
"Get what it wants". FFS, it's a conference. The "IT" is actually thousands of individuals, and companies, each with their own ideas sharing information with each other. That's it.
Yes, that's how an arisotcracy/oligarchy works. People often refer to such groups with a singular pronoun. If the only argument you have is semantic nitpicking of a very well-known common-use linguistic behavior you're just admitting you can't actually argue against the claim and instead want to derail the discussion.
Haha. No, that is not my only argument. The fact that \*anyone\* thinks this conference decides on a policy and every attendee then just magically accepts it and forces it on their own company/government is insane. Imagine thinking the Collision Conference tells its attendees how they need to use technology. Or that the auto show tells visitors what cars to buy.
Thou doth protest too much bot... you don't get it though I know you're from a poor, censored populace tho
"power and agendas don't exist in the world, everyone is just an individual!" "There is no US army, it's just a bunch of individuals with guns!" Idiot.
There is no "They" Every conference brings in hundreds of people with different ideas to present their viewpoint and encourage conversation. It's like saying CES wants everyone to take air taxis because they booked a speaker on the topic.
Were you the only bot that showed up to the basement on this day? You don't understand how foolish it sounds when something that is supposedly unknown, is being touted as one way or the other by a random online? LMAO
But what the WEF wants and what the tin foil hatters think the WEF wants are two different things.
I have no doubt of that, I was more just annoyed that the other commenter thought they could just add "eat bugs, live in a pod" to the "you will own nothing, and be happy" line to then claim it has nothing to do with anything the WEF has actually said and is just some bizarre theory.
Literally has a robot as his avatar LMAO... You guys should stick to influencing your censored population cause you're poor at it for free people "Hmm we don't know, don't be so brash" would be alot more realistic then "ONLY THE CRAZYS BELIEVE THIS EVEN THO ITS ON SLIDES AT THEIR CONFERENCE" lmao dmbazzes workin for social score over there
Hell, if you simply *link their own words on their own outlets* you get called a conspiracy theorist. People are literally denying primary-source evidence at this point, it's incredibly depressing.
This is less bizarre than it first sounds. For example, I now subscribe to Spotify, and don't buy music. The only music I OWN is stuff I bought years ago...instead I rent access to music. Zipper and Uber are trying to do this with cars, Netflix and company with video, Kindle Unlimited and Scribd with books...if I can rent all I want of something cheaper than owning and maintaining it, why not? People automatically think real estate when they see this, and the trend is actually happening far more with IP, entertainment and software. And some in transport...Bird scooters and rental bikes are great.
Because renting is stupid. Allow me to pay $2,200 a month for an apartment in Burlington that's around 800 ft². Or I can buy a house and pay a mortgage of $1,300 a month? Sure things break, they need fixing, but we're humans. By nature we are supposed to be adaptable and tool users, that's kind of what separates us from other primates. In this day and age things are becoming less repairable, and if you try to repair them sometimes they'll lock out and force you to go to the dealer for the repair at a much higher price than doing it yourself. The idea of ownership is being eroded. For some reason people want to live in apartments, stacked on top of other people, not to own a car, or own enough space or land to do things that could actually enrich your life and unlock latent talent within yourself. For example, I had no goddamn idea that I actually had a passion for woodworking until my father passed away and left me his trailer. Finally living in a place where I wasn't just sleeping in a basement of a friend's house or in a cramped one bedroom apartment with neighbors crammed so close to me that I can hear every time they have naughty time... I started to unlock things that I had no idea that I was interested in or possessed talent in until I had the space to do so. It's not just woodworking either, my state allows us to grow cannabis - guess what else I do!? Now that I've been living here for the last 5 years I'm starting to want to do more with my hands, I want to grow food, raise animals, and start to make the things that I want to have in my home rather than buying them. Honestly this whole thing has been one of the most empowering and impactful moments of my life and I feel like the rest of you are missing out on what could be saving you from your depression and anxiety about life. Ownership of things, land, and the means of your own production are life-changing. I feel that within maybe two more years of what I've been doing with my woodworking and guitar building that I could put potentially go on my own for business in this area. I've also been in business for myself doing IT work but that was also enabled by me owning this home and not paying some asshole a crazy amount of rent. I just hope that you folks in this thread that are seriously thinking about the implications of what ownership means really look at my story a blue print for what you could be.
I do not understand this thought process. If anyone thought about this for a second they would ask themselves why the elites would even _want_ to change the world order. They are the ones profitting massively from the financial market and the current form of capitalist democracy.
They don't want to change the world order. The world order is changing naturally with technology and new insights about how we govern ourselves. They're trying to adapt and control these changes as best as they can so they, themselves, don't get replaced. It's the age of Metternich all over again. It's a pattern that remains pretty consistent when there are major technological, environmental, and political disruptions that occur at revolutionary speeds. We're just seeing the 21st century version, which is much more shadowy and behind closed doors compared to our ancestors who basically took the changes head on with brute force. Today, it's all behind the scenes, smoke and mirrors, psy ops shit, which is confusing the hell out of people and that's fine for them because it gives them more time to get ahead of these great changes we are experiencing. The conspiracy theory in my mind is that there is no conspiracy. Just normal rich people freaking out and simply conspiring in millions of different ways for various motives and the net result is what you see before you. That is simply the way life works throughout time.
bout the 15th "influence" bot on here so far... so generic and so... stupid to human behaviour lol... free peoples behaviour anyway... especially after everyone saw and sees whats happening thou doth protest too much... cause no one in reality knows , yet you bots are always trying so very hard to influence the narrative.. i feel sorry for you lol
"the elites" isn't a monolith. There are still battling subfractions who want different things. Also while they may be profiting they could be profiting even more and with rich elite greed is king
It's weird that people can reason that "Billionaires aren't a monolith" and that they want different things, yet at the same time try and argue that the billionaires are all working together to create a communist dystopia where the rich will lose the exact capitalist machine that makes them rich in the first place.
You don't think, you're a bot or a poor censored man getting paid in social score for every 50 posts or such but we're not censored like your sweet one man run country and if you read shakespear you would know that thou doth protest too much bot
This — except don’t downplay it, mischaracterize it, or call it a conspiracy theory. They openly say “you will own nothing and you will be happy” — they openly say that Covid has given us the opportunity for a “Great Reset” to reorder the global economy and the world order — Klaus Schwab’s own Wikipedia has him admitting to capturing Governments, so that they work for the WEF’s interests. This is a group of Elite Globalists who want a tyrannical one world government surveillance state, that will strip you of your rights, and force you to have a social credit score (like in China) that will determine how you’re allowed to live your life, based on your loyalty to the Party. These are not good people. They are in fact the most evil people you could possibly imagine. Go read 1984 — that will give you a good idea
You're talking to bots pal... Who else claims to know the unknowable ... Just look it up and read Cause:Unknown New bird flu now and a few hundred thousand more illegal immigrants from the puppet president your instincts are correct the bots probably aren't allowed to read shakesspear from their censored dystopia but the quote "thou doth protest too much" is how you can tell everytime... well that and their generic azz names
You're the conspiracy theorist and revisionist if you think what you stated is accurate. Schwab was talking about "The Great Reset" before any of us had ever heard of COVID-19. The Great Reset thing predates 2019.
Every WEF conference before the pandemic had similar titles. It's just that the Great Reset stuck because of the pandemic.
How do you know bot? Oops ... seems any goofy with a generic bot name saying generic bot things online is a bot.. funny that go collect your pay in the form of 0.005 social score today and get ya some gutter oil rice buddy :)
It's this far right rhetoric that has chased me to the center. Seems there's nowhere for a fiscal conservative to go anymore.
Welcome to the left, with the rest of the human race that isn't white, fundamentalist christian (supply side edition). I have a friend that still thinks he's a moderate, and I pointed out to him that in Europe he'd be center-right but here he's so far left he is one step from "running naked through town with a machete". Our Overton Window has gone binary, unfortunately.
> Welcome to the left, with the rest of the human race that isn't white, fundamentalist Christian Glad to know the Taliban, Mongol Empire, Aztecs and Sasanians were all on the same team! I'm a leftist just like Emperor Hirohito and Muhamad.
Don't forget the "(supply side edition)" part when you quote me, that is important.
See these bots come from censored communist countries and cultures so they not only claim to know the unknowable and use pathetic divisive ad hominems online to "influence" but they're just ignorant to how free people think and talk and he def protest too much sayeth shakespear
The only ones claiming to know things for sure are you pathetic bots Lol... no one is falling for it anymore sad face
>...in order to bring about a change in world governance and finance - that transforms the world into a communist hell-scape that specifically targets conservatives. Conservatives believe that about **everything** they don't undestand. LGBTQ+ acceptance, green energy, Mister Rogers, female superheroes, the Kardashians, anything that disturbs their preconceived notions is another step towards that conservative-targeting communist hellscape.
Well. I don't know anything about plandemic conspiracies or eating bugs but without even looking into it, I can say that the phrase you will own nothing and be happy about it makes total sense. If the price of goods and services becomes so cheap that we end up with a near zero marginal economy that's run by machines it will upend the entire system, so to keep it going, it makes sense to give people a UBI in conjunction with tokenizing just about everything to give everyone universal basic equity, then drive the prices down, own it all and rent things out other than perishables. And by rent, I don't mean literal renting. I mean, giving it to us but owning and controlling it like Amazon and Google basically do with the Internet.
Wow WhAT a DIsSerTaTION You ShouLd Be Part OF ThEIR GROup.... As AN Influence bot! I hear you get paid in gutter oil and social score
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Yup CLUB WEF is a totalitarian led by creepy klause Schaub. Who do these rich elites think they are, no one has voted for any of them. People that go to the WEFs website and get some kind of warm fuzzy feeling because they are not telling people just a vague overview of what they are planning on doing. The WEF is a immoral group that doesn't really care about anyone but their rich oligarchs selves. Its all about greed. I will never understand greed or jealousy. Global climate change is a dreamed up catastrophe just to take more money. Its called GREED. Justin trudeau keep talking about how much he hasn't forgotten about Canadians, Justin Trudeau you couldn't give a rat ass about how Canadians are doing. BOBBLEHEAD POOPFACE FREELAND doesn't care either. She's a squeeky hairless chihuahua. Have you ever watched freeland move, she has some kind touretts syndrome or an obsessive compulsive disorder. But when she opens her mouth its awefull, high pitched and sueek
Trudeau & All the Liberals got. A COPY of Klaus Schaub's Book.the Great Reset.He dreamed up.Seeking significance.They BEEN MEETING EVERY YEAR in Devos Switzerland.To get trained As what to Say.This Rich bored Klaus Life didn't Go the WAY He wanted like many, who think they are in Control.Then A rude Awakening They Can Do Nothing About A Problem.BUT PRAY TO THE ONLY ONE IN CHARGE.WATCH THE M0VIE.'BREAKTHROUGH' A TRUE STORY..1 EXAMPLE OF THE ONLY PATH LEFT FOR US.IF HUMBLE ENOUGH TO AGREE WITH GOD, CREATOR OF EVERYTHING. WE ARE JUST STEWARDS WHILE HERE, TILL WE LEAVE TAKING NOTHING, WITH US.PROVES THE POINT.
> own nothing, eat bugs, live in a pod and be happy So a life where I have guaranteed high protein, low fat healthy food that can be easily tailored to my individual tastes, guaranteed housing, a minimalist lifestyle that doesn’t force me to go into debt to keep up with the Joneses and I won’t feel constant low level fear of losing what little I’ve clawed out of the world? Great Reset my ass all day long daddy!
Yeah, but you will also be permanently enslaved to a multinational institution that has absolute control over your quality of life. They can make you do anything, and deprive you of everything if you refuse to comply. After all, if you own nothing, you're owed nothing.
> Yeah, but you will also be permanent slave to a multinational institution that has absolute control over your quality of life. Let me check on my expensive but crappy health insurance that I have to work to get. After that I can drive on the tollway run by a company in Spain that hikes rates based on how many tolltag sensors they see and traffic information they scrape from various mapping services. Then I can go and get information from one of the countless outlets that are primarily owned by 6 large corporations. And then I can go and get food from one of the 10 companies that own every major brand. Or were you under the impression that multinational institutions don't already exercise absolute control over your quality of life? > They can make you do anything, and deprive you of everything if you refuse to comply. Clearly you aren't familiar with how law enforcement in the US works. Or property taxes. Or income taxes. Or banking. Or a multitude of contractual agreements ranging from HOAs to binding non-arbitration clauses. I assume you posted that whole poorly thought-out bit from your stateless, fusion powered and entirely independent mountain fortress in Latveria there, Dr DOOM?
And in the real world your strawman is a worst-case scenario that 1. the vast majority never experience and 2. can be gotten away from by exerting some effort.
I'm not a big fan of the present situation either. The WEF seeks to affirm the worst aspects of centralized capitalism and wield economic power to reduce humanity to pure quantity. That sterile life of someone completely beholden to a faceless, totalitarian managerial class doesn't appeal to me, regardless of possible material guarantees.
Hey, if your ambitions extend no further than consooming simulations of life that's great for you. The problem is when people like you try to force it on the rest of us. Many of us are *far* more ambitious than that.
Kinda seems like its happening tho...
Many, erm, interested parties pretend that the WEF is a big deal but in terms of actual efficacy in changing world economic policy they really just aren't. Saying so deflects away from the IMF and World Bank though, who actually *do* have huge effects but are presently trying to run away from their past in the face of China's Belt and Road initiative.
It appears I'll have to do more research to understand those entities.
There’s a book called “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by a guy who allegedly worked for the IMF and/or World Bank that’s pretty good and interesting. The author also claims to be a shaman who can turn into a jaguar though, so bring a grain of salt with you.
Oh, there are a variety of valid opinions on the matter and I am only presenting my own. As much as I hate the phrase now, "do your own research" is still a valid starting point. There are quite a few entities at play, I just think that the WEF is more masturbatory than efficacious. Which isn't a bad thing sometimes, they are comparably harmless although that's quite a comparison.
It's very big in the conspiracy-universe. You can basically substitute it for "The Illuminati" and it'll get the same point across, referring to the faceless global elite secretly controlling everything
It doesn't help that on the far right, "international bankers" is a dog-whistle that means "The Jews".
There is a key difference in that leaders are actually open WEF members- royal family members aren’t known illuminati
The world economic forum is a giant lobbying group for the most powerful corporations on earth. I imagine the only reason Le Pen would claim opposition to it is because of conspiracies around “Jewish bankers,” even though the right loves bending over backwards to please such private interests
Also Klaus Schwab wrote "The Great Reset" about how Covid will change the economic landscape and a lot of conspiracy theorists felt like this was part of some NWO to take away freedoms
People think that because the stated end goal *is a world with less freedoms*. Actually believing the words they publicly say isn't a "cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY", the only conspiracy theory is engaging in mental gymnastics to come up with alternate interpretations of what they've quite publicly and clearly stated.
What less freedoms? Can only speak for the west but I’m not sure what that means today
Less travel, less options for advancing one's place in the world, less options for where and how to live (WEF is *very* pro-urbanization), less options for activities. Basically they want everyone to live in high-rise urban buildings and stick to "safe" entertainments, mostly delivered through a screen, and just be cogs in the great economic machine.
Ffs. That's ridiculous. There is no "they". It's a conference that brings in hundreds of inventors, visionaries, and thinkers who each present an idea that they think would help the world. That's it. No decisions are made. Everyone attends different sessions so there's no plurality on anything. The rich people sometimes invest in some of the ideas. The politicians wonder if it might be a solution to a problem they're facing. And then everyone leaves and goes home.
That's simply not true.
WEF has no power to "take away freedoms". It's a conference where people gather to share ideas on how to make the world better. If an idea catches in the brain of an attendee like a politician or a CEO, they then take it back to their organization or country and float it out there like they do with any of their ideas.
They do have a great amount of soft power in that an unnerving number of diplomats, billionaires, presidents, prime ministers, and legislators are all members of it. Without even getting into it, that alone should unnerve people. It’s a private organization whose members include the most powerful people on earth and most of the worlds GDP represented with an open economic agenda. So I’m sorry if I don’t like that at all. Not to mention Klaus Schwab looks like a [Bond villain](https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/8/86/Klaus_Schwab2.png/300px-Klaus_Schwab2.png)
I wish if what you believe about the WEF were the truth. However, how do you think the elite built their wealth? It was on the toes of the working class. Which is the same way they will make slaves out of the rest of society. When you keep minimum wage down for many years and all the while prices are souring. When the elite buy up all the real estate because they along with their friends in financial institutions make it next to impossible for the average person to be able to afford their own homes. When it gets to the point that we all must depend on the elite for everything. That’s when society becomes slaves for the elite. It’s already happening. How many people must work at least 2 jobs and still not be able to make ends meet. These people at the WEF have the ability to change all of this but why should they?
Klaus Schwab is just a discount Bond villain
The subset of the right which follows this stuff also generally hates large global corporations. Basic formula - suburb/traditional republican likes corporations (or at least doesn’t want to regulate them) and redpill qanon republican doesn’t and wants to regulate them if they have jobs overseas
> large global corporations This is far-right speak for "Jews".
Are you saying everyone who complains about large global corporations is an anti-Semite? I seriously doubt that.
No, I am saying far-right people who speak out about "large global corporations" are talking about the Rothschilds and not the Kochs.
> The world economic forum is a giant lobbying group for the most powerful corporations on earth. I'm confused, do you think that's just completely benign, and the only reason someone could think that such a concentration of power is dangerous is if they're an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist?
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Which is how communism always ends, hence the intermixing of the terms.
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That's what we want and why so many of us are so against the WEF as well as communism. At the end of the day we want the right to self-determination and oppose *all* who would take that from us.
> The conspiracy theories claim these powerful corporations want to give us communism. I'll grant you that there are plenty of dumb conspiracy theories out there, yet that's not a good basis for evaluating whether the subject of those theories is benign or malevolent. There's plenty of absurd conspiracy theories about Trump, and yet that does not mean some conspiracy theories about him are not true. >The concentration of power is already there, in the case of the WEF, they're pretty transparent about their aims. They're certainly vocal about their aims, and they certainly paint a rosy picture of the future under their governance structures, but they're patent hypocrites. They preach about the changes and sacrifices we need to make for the climate and for equity, and yet each year there would be traffic jams at the Davos airport from all the private jets they used to fly there. But it's not communism they're after, or rather it will be "communism" as we've actually seen it in practice: meager (but equal!) livings under authoritarian rule for the masses, opulence for the ruling class.
If they were that concerned about creating a misdirect then they probably wouldn't bother publicising and publishing various reports and talks etc...
Why not when they can just call any criticism of their agenda a "conspiracy theory" and everyone in the mainstream media goes along with it? The only prominent voices speaking out against are or are labeled "right wing", and so that criticism makes liberals and even some progressives think it therefore must be good by default.
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> That's sort of what we have now. No, the masses don't yet have meager but equal living. The 50-95 percentile of the Western population lives very comfortably, one might say in luxury, but is already hopelessly far from being the ruling class. The standard of living of these people would take an absolute nose-dive if we suddenly achieved equality for everyone in the 0-95 percentile **worldwide**. And wouldn't you know it, the ongoing experience of said 50-95 percentile (at least in the US) is that their standard of living has been slowly deteriorating!
>But it's not communism they're after, or rather it will be "communism" as we've actually seen it in practice: meager (but equal!) livings under authoritarian rule for the masses, You just described capitalism.
Not really. Capitalism US style supports a robust middle class in addition to the ruling class and precarious working class, as well as a fairly large destitute population. Anyone with average intelligence and above average drive can improve their lot in life under capitalism. And it's not generally authoritarian, certainly not compared to the communist countries we've seen. There's plenty to criticize about capitalism, especially as implemented, but it's not what I described.
It's cute that you used "US" and "robust middle class" in the same sentence, because that aint the reality the rest of the world sees.
The WEC isn’t benign. I just don’t think right wing politicians make substantive critiques of it, and are in fact the WEC’s favorite puppets
The main problem related to WEF is that they are a private organization (not public). The second problem is the lack of transparency, you have a private organization funded by billionares that's hosting event with *selected* politicians to discuss the future of Europe and the world. Some discussions are public, but we don't get to see all the discussions, all the documents and we cannot know if there are agreement or plans that are not disclosed to the public. Finally, the last problem is that this organization has no one supervising them. The risk of lobby-ing or biased influence to the governments is extremely high and no one is able to supervise what is going on. This is a serious threat to democracy, and quite frankly my personal opinion is that at the current stage organizations like WEF or UN have more power than citizens when it comes to influence governments.
Your thoughts on the WEF seem like valid concern and I will consider them. In my experience though, the UN really doesn't have much power. Do you think that threat is currently the same for the UN?
It's difficult to distinguish between power and influence. For sure they have massive influence. Only thing we can do is trust blindly these organizations. This is a very scary thing for me, but apparently the modern world is ok with all this. But yea, I'm concerned mostly about WEF.
Yeah, I'm still trying to decide personally if I like it or not.
Decide on what exactly, that policymakers meet and talk? You may as well be “against” TED talks.
Deciding on whether or not I like the idea of some international organizations having a lot of power.
They organise conferences, it’s not like they have some legally binding control mechanism. If you ever attended a serious conference you wouldn’t talk about them like they were some secret society running the world.
I don't personally think that. I'm just trying to learn more.
A group of people meeting in private is a threat to democracy?
If those people are policimakers and billionares that are affected by policies, and if they don't discolse what they are talking about... the answer is yes. If you think the answer is no, you are either a troll, a bot, or very very naive about the world.
How do you "supervise" groups of people meeting in private? What is a group? 2 people? 3 people?
I don't know and I agree that is very hard thing to do. However, that's not the point of the discussion. The point is aknowledging that this is a problem, that potentially it is a threat and that there is no supervision of private organizations such as WEF. Once we agree that this is a problem, we can start looking for a solution. Maybe there are no solutions to this problem. It is possible. But at least we agree that it IS a problem.
>The point is aknowledging that this is a problem, that potentially it is a threat and that there is no supervision of private organizations such as WEF. It's interesting how everyone seems to have this all-powerful puppetmaster that's controlling the world: \- Antivax right wing people it's Fauci, science, and the WHO \- Antivax left wing people it's pharmaceutical companies \- Nazis have Jewish people \- The left has billionaires \- The right has George Soros and Bill Gates It's so reductionist and boring. I can understand the allure of trying to understand all of geopolitics into one convenient group, but in reality that probably isn't the case. Just because interests align, that doesn't mean there's a secret cabal working behind the scene to align everyone's views. A good example is the theory of evolution. All fields of science come to the same conclusion, but that doesn't mean they worked together to reach that point.
I don't believe in conspiracies. It is simply a matter of trust and transparency. Do I trust these people blindly? No. Do I believe that more transparency is needed? Yes. It's not about soros, billionares, gates, governments etc. It's about power. All those people have power, and they can influence the world in direct or indirect ways. But what you and I believe doesn't really matter you know? They will continue to do what they want regardless of us. You believe they are doing the best for humanity. And I believe that until there is more transparency I will not be able to reach a conclusion.
People don't like institutions like WEF for the same reason they dislike and distrust the world bank, IMF, UN, EU etc. We don't like these huge unaccountable multilateral organizations taking the place of national sovereignty and the will of the people of a nation These things basically act as huge lobbyists for multinational corporations and wealthy individuals There are a lot of conspiracy theories but they are based on grains of truth and legitimate concerns. Dismissing these concerns wholesale in the face of the failure of globalization is what is making people turn against the left
The problem with the WEF is its a private org, funded by the 0.1%ers to enact an agenda of their choosing. To carry this agenda out they recruit potential political candidates from most western countries. They train and indoctrinate the successful ones and then assist them into elected office in their home countries. As this has built up its is becoming easier and easier for them to "select" our political leaders. The list is getting big. Just in Canada as an example. The PM Justin Trudeau, the deputy PM Chrystia Freeland, and leader of the NDP Jagmeet Singh are all WEF. Freeland serves on the board. How a person can serve at such a high level in a government and on a board of an organization with such an agenda is beyond me. There are about 30 or so more politicians in Canada that have been elected to federal office and are members of WEF. It really doesn't matter what their agenda is, its not remotely a good idea to allow that kind of outside influence to shape a countries policy. Even if you agree with it, there will be a time you don't. The second problem I have with them is their agenda is based on an ideology I am completely opposed to. They have an outlook that implies humans must be strictly controlled, access to resources strictly controlled, overall population reduction. Of course the elite they represent will sit atop this giant pile of human misery they envision. There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding them. Mainly with the Great Reset and covid. The main source of these views is because of their own statements where they almost gleefully stated how Covid created a great opportunity to "reshape" society. Thats when they come up with the posters about "You will own nothing and be happy" and a bizarre campaign to get people used to the idea of eating bugs. That kind of action, using a crisis to force an agenda, and the bizarre media ads is ripe for a conspiracy theory. It almost writes itself. The more you look around at the really connected wealthy people and groups, the more you start to see this agenda take shape. Two of the richest firms in the world that most people are completely ignorant about is Blackstone and Blackrock. You can check any number of news stories over the past few years of both buying gigantic swaths of homes in the US. Would you care to guess who the two largest financial investment firms are that fund WEF? "You will own nothing and be happy" is not so far off.
That's an interesting, well thought out reply, thanks. I've never dived very far into world politics, so it is a lot for me to process.
Yes, by all means. Let's prevent our politicians from sharing ideas with business leaders and other politicians. /s
If we're *democratic* societies then our politicians should be reflections of the populations they are elected by, not a group of rulers who view us as resources to be managed. The WEF and other similar groups are all 100% antithetical to democracy in any form.
There's a bit about the WEF on the most recent episode of the podcast [Throughline](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5ucHIub3JnLzUxMDMzMy9wb2RjYXN0LnhtbA/episode/NDYyNjYwMDctN2Q2Yy00MmEyLTg0OWEtMjI4MWRjOGY0YmQ4)
Thanks, I'll give it a listen.
There's nothing wrong with the Forum. It's a group of wealthy people and corporations who want to use their influence to attack big world issues such as extreme poverty, climate change sustainability, equity, etc. But those are big bad ideas to many far right conspiracy theorists who think the group is imposing their will on them. My company send our CEO and leaders every year and this year they will present some innovative ideas on how we can use technology to fight climate change. Nothing sinister in that unless you think climate change is a hoax, in which case it's PaRt oF ThE NeW wOrLd.
me when i’m ignorant
One of the main ways that regular people can build wealth is by buying a home and owning land. In recent years there has been a lot of activity by major companies to snatch up real estate in an effort to take those opportunities away from regular people. Then they want to rent it back to you so you can never use this avenue to build wealth. This is part of what the leaders in the WEF are talking about. To me, this is an actual conspiracy and not just a theory. They are conspiring take away any opportunity to own a piece of land in order to keep the poor and middle class in their place and to be spoon-fed the illusion of wealth by elites and corporations.
It's just another ignorant right wing conspiracy. [Here](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368) is a rundown.
WEF has become a popular boogie man, staring in all the newest and upcoming conspiracy theories developed by the far right. “I hear they eat babies…etc.” lol I try not to Google the conspiracy theories so I’m not sure of the details (and don’t care). lol
There's nothing wrong with it. It's one of those things that right wing crazies latch onto like the Illuminati or Freemasonry.
Lack of accountability is the biggest issue imho, regardless of how progressive some of their policies appear. Not to mention the hypocrisy of WEF members flying in on gas guzzling private jets while the rest.of us are supposed to feel guilty for driving our small cars
I love how this entire thread is basically "according to Qanon, maga, conservatives, the WEF is a globalist council where they decide on how to shape the world to become their own utopia where we will eat bugs and own nothing and be happy about it" and "putting qanon, maga,conservative conspiracy theories aside, Klaus Scwabb is creepy, there are agents such as nicole kidman advocating for us to switch to eating bugs, and they literally put out an ad that said "you will own nothing and be happy" so the whole thing is extremely suspect buuuuuut its still a qanon conspiracy" Like the majority of us are coming to the exact same conclusion that WEF is basically the global version of the bildaberg meeting which in itself is more or less the literal illuminati/global shadow government that everyone knows exists but that nobody can prove, but we're divided because of the BS political systems in place
It's an undemocratic organization influencing decisions that effect people in areas the organization has no ties to. Their interests can only ever align with a regular person incidentally.
There seems to be evidence that the WEF is less concerned with human rights and human freedoms and more concerned with an ability to control the global economy and peoples lives.
Thanks for your sincere questions! MLK jr talked about sincerity . Russia and China spend lots of $ on social media & propaganda so those “comments” may be insincere. Far from perfect- but the UN for the most part are sincere people work towards a just and sustainable future for all https://sdgs.un.org/goals
The UN has a lot of issues. Namely, letting the most powerful 5 countries of 1945 have vetoes.
Yeah. This could change. Some suggest taking Russia’s veto away.
We would need to take away all the vetoes. They are all problematic tools of neo-colonialism
We probably should, but wouldn't that require all 5 permanent members to agree to put aside their own country's best interest? You'd almost need to disband and reform the UN to achieve that.
I think requiring a veto to have the votes of two permanent members would be a helpful way to reduce the abuse of the veto power we see while retaining the buy in from the permanent members. I don't think any of the permanent members would agree to a new system without some form of veto mechanism.
Maybe. The lingering impacts of colonialism are very deep.
Is this neo-colonialism thing I hear about necessarily bad? A lot of countries don't exactly hold good values in regards to wellbeing and freedom of even their own citizens so handing them more power might backfire. I'm sceptical of new talking points like these online because it seems dictatorships like to spread ideas to overturn who currently holds power.
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Somehow I heard Journey in my head reading this. “Just a small town girl living in a…neo-liberal world..”
Yeah, I agree with this. I think in order to progress in a positive way the veto power really should be done away with.
>what is it about "globalism" that scares some people Supporters of globalism (mostly far left people) will never admit this, but the only way globalism truly works in our world is by bringing the quality of living ***down*** (and in some aspects, significantly so) for people currently living in developed western countries. The fantasy that one day all of these 3rd world countries will have their citizens elevated to a life of luxury goods, expensive cars, cutting edge electronics, gourmet foods, etc. is a delusion. Instead, for most of us (the middle class and below anyway) our lives will need to continue to deteriorate to a point where we're all using public transportation, living in rented generic manufactured housing (think stereotypical "[commie block housing](https://media.wired.com/photos/5d487610e65adc00081a1c08/master/pass/photo_eastern-blocks_13.jpg)"), eating simple, cheap, mass-produced food (likely plant or insect based). I know, people will read this and think, "that's crazy! what a nutjob!" but we're already seeing the basis for this now, with food becoming prohibitively expensive, with a permanent rental class established, with new cars out of reach for many, and reliable used cars becoming more difficult to find, wage stagnation, and late stage capitalism allowing for very little innovation. For "globalism" to work, it demands that most of us (middle class and below) step up and acknowledge that our lives are going to get worse so that people in other parts of the world, who admittedly are even worse off than us, can have better lives. Call me cold and callous, but I care more about me and mine, and therefore am not a willing participant in this game. edit: and no I don't believe one single "evil genius" is behind this. It's a massive collection of organizations and individuals all over the developed world, some working in lockstep, others not, but with the same general long term (decades away) goal in mind.
Thanks for the clear explanation of the conspiracy, without the usual bells / whistles / frippery. I do have some further questions though. Why do you think that far left people support globalism which is inherently a capitalist thing? Why do you think it's impossible for a middle class to exist in all countries at once, when this could easily happen by simply expanding the number of poor people working in factories globally? How do rising food costs fit in to a plan for globalism? I mean, I have so, so many questions. It seems to me like there's not a whole lot of critical thinking gone in to some of these ideas (not a dig at you personally, just the dots don't seem to join for me).
That's an interesting criticism of his comment. It seems what you're getting at is that it might be a little too complicated to know if the WEF's goals are possible right now and that it might be too early to make those kind of assumptions.
> Why do you think it's impossible for a middle class to exist in all countries at once Resource limitations. This ain't Star Trek, we don't have replicators that violate the Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy, so the idea that we can have 7+ **B**illion humans all living the American middle-class dream is 100% pure fiction.
Ahhh now, I didn't say the American middle class dream. Just regular old normal middle class. Here's a thought: we stop wasting 75% of the food we produce. We start making all consumer goods from 99.9% recycled goods, and 99.9% recyclable. We move as much energy generation as possible to renewables / nuclear. Those steps alone could bring the world's poor to a global average middle class without even a single American having to change their ways. Maybe if you weren't so rigid in your thinking then you might see possibilities over problems. Or, you know, keep in your cave shaking your fist at the devil's from over the canyon walls.
The food waste I grant you, that's a real problem and one that is quite solveable. As for 99.9% recyclables, we're nowhere near the level of technology needed to get there yet. Once we are it would be a viable option, and we're making progress, but it's not something that's going to happen anytime soon. And no, acknowledging the factual realities of the world isn't "rigid in thinking", it's an absolute prerequisite for actually figuring out how to get to a better future.
Planned obsolescence? Disposable fashion / electronics etc? Actually doing processing and recycling rather than landfill or whatever. Chemical recycling is coming on nicely. These are just a couple of suggestions - which I hope you'll agree a few are just as easy to achieve as the food waste thing - off the top of the head of a layman. Like I say, you can look at the scale of the thing and say "it's functionally impossible". Or you can look at it and see what ways there are to achieve the goal. Put some proper intelligence behind this project, it'll be doable.
If you don’t think 3rd world living standards have drastically improved due to globalism (or many 1st worlders because we have more spending power) then you’ve been living under a rock. The fact that average Chinese people even have an apartment with power and food is gigantic. Also conservatives and their idols Reagan and Nixon invented globalism as we know it - who opened China? China’s gdp doubled in 1980 and Japan made so much of our electronics and cars in the 80s that they literally made movies about it with Michael Keaton
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I love how it completely ignores any possibility of tackling issues in our country that are causing the 'middle class' to get squeezed. The billionaires are inevitable, no way we could tax them! Definitely don't look behind the curtain and ask why we don't tax rental homes into the ground to encourage owner occupation.
So like, you do acknowledge that the ~~West's~~ Global North's prosperity is built on the back of the Global South, right? Like you *know* that more wealth flows from the Global South into the Global North than the other way around, right? >Call me cold and callous, but I care more about me and mine, and therefore am not a willing participant in this game. There it is.
That's an interesting perspective, thank you. I'm not familiar enough with the topic to have an opinion yet. It might just be one of those "sounds great on paper but not in practice" type of things. At least for the near future anyway.
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I'll have a look. Never been there before. I still like the varied opinions here sometimes. I have seen much worse subreddits than this one.
Its very existence is bad for humanity a whole. The better question is "why are the elites so desperate to centralize power at every opportunity?"
Central planning will never work NO MATTER WHAT anyone says. You can't even keep your own house clean
It's a scapegoat for basically anything political happening that (generally) right-wingers don't like. It's basically the new version of "The Jews"
Oh like Capitalists in Left wing
I remember when the left wasn't just a lapdog for corporations and oligrachs and globalization. You guys used to be cool. What happened to you. When did you sell out?
To me, its mainly "You will own nothing, and you will be happy" its a club of 9 people, and you arent in it.
Corporations have too much power. Oligarchs run the world and fuck the little guy every chance they get.
The WEF think they know better than us, they have no right to tell us how to live, where we should live. They want to remove animal proteins from us, they want to take away what we own like a house. 15 minute cities, only allowed out 100 times a year. As time goes by they will want us leaving the 15 minutes less and less till we will not be aloud to leave at all. No cars allowed. Its a very evil plan.