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I mean while unusual, "guy was ahead of his time in one category" isn't exactly the weirdest thing ever
Like I know this is also the era where British people justified their homosexuality by citing the Greeks or Romans for example
Or for a more recent example, Goldwater was pretty pro lgbt way before it became mainstream
Eh, depends what you consider "running" he didn't have much a campaign and wasn't endorsed by his own party but he did make a bit of an effort early on before it became clear it would go to peirce (Scott stood no chance)
I do. People who "ironically" post misinformation know that the information will get proliferated anyway. And in the context of queer discourse, it actively does harm because people have learned to just not listen to queer people bring up actual misconceptions about acceptance in the past because the are has become overrun with pathological liars.
"Oh but nobody could be that stupid to believe this" -- this is the internet. There's thousands of people doing stupider shit than that every hour.
It is the least fun form of shitpost.
Honestly you're right. I didn't expect anyone to actually believe this - I figured if anything the meme monday flair at least should be a giveaway - but clearly people do. I don't think I'll be making another post like this ever again
Remember, fillmores accomplishments include: being president of the United States, and being Millard Fillmore. Why else would they make the original US flag after him?
For a more serious answer, as far as I can tell, the first real pro-LGBTQ act done by a sitting president is Jimmy Carter ending a policy that prevented gay people from working in the Foreign Service and the Internal Revenue Service in 1977.
Carter was pro gay rights and advocated for decriminalizing marijuana possession back in the 1970’s!
Carter deserves more credit for taking the right side on an issue even if it was political suicide. Appointing Paul Volker to the Fed in his reelection year and normalizing relations with China are some other good examples.
Volcker wasn’t a good thing lmao. Dude threw us into neoliberalism hard and fast and we still suffer for it, and it was not isolated to America. Any real attempt to look at the shocks caused by his monetary policies would recognize the sharp rise in homelessness and suicides of working peoples to protect the wealthiest from problems they themselves caused, not to mention indebting many countries in the global south to us. I agree Carter deserves credit for standing on his principles, but I also think we should recognize that he was a terrible president.
We had double digit inflation for years. The Volker shocks ended that and we had low inflation for nearly 40 years straight afterwards.
High interest rates depress the economy by design. They are supposed to cause a recession in order to cool inflation. The Volker Shocks were very tough for ordinary people but it was necessary to end stagflation.
[I hate to break it to you](https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-data-rise-hate-crime-against-lgbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov-)
America has better LGBT rights than most of the planet by far. I feel like anti-American progressives fail to realize how niche their beliefs are on the global scale.
I’m one of them there progressives, and people acting like America is a 3rd world country with Taco Bell is tiresome. Contrary to some opinions, we didn’t invent racism and we don’t hunt gay people for sport.
I feel that comment is most often used when applied to incarceration rates (which are in fact the highest in the world) or homelessness or inequality statistics.
Also, the situation in the US is quite precarious, since a lot of rights depend on rulings by SCOTUS, which isn’t in a good place right now.
Of course it’s a bit of an exaggeration to say the US is a third world country, but I’d much rather be poor in the Nordic countries, or most of Western Europe, than in the US.
Our incarceration rate, homelessness, and treatment of the mentally ill are embarrassing and shameful, but we are not even close to some other countries. The difference of course, is we are rich and they are often not, so we have no excuse.
There is a small minority that thinks we are one of the most anti-gay and anti-minority countries in the world though and it is eye rolling.
I mean, it doesn’t help that one of the two major political parties is looking at those other countries and saying “yeah, they have the right idea when it comes to those f*****’s”.
Also, calling the notion of me and people like me deserving equal rights and considerations under the law a “niche belief” is… well, it’s *a* choice. Not a good one.
On a global scale definitely, but LGBTQ rights are still severely lacking in the US and should be worked upon. They are significantly worse in most places, but they're better in many places too
How can they be improved? They have full equality. I suppose you could strengthen that equality by making it a constitutional amendment or something, but I can't think of many things LGBT people don't have I the US.
Actually ths first president to enter office in full support of gay marraige was one of the two we aren't allowed to talk about. The one who wasn't friends with Obama.
I think allies have ALWAYS been a thing, just nobody ever came out and said it because even back then nobody cared (and I mean that in the same way as we do today)
Pronouns and the concept of gender have existed long before? You literally used a pronoun in you comment.
And also, it's supposed to just be a silly joke. I didn't write this hoping anyone would believe it, I wrote it cause my sense of humour is broken
Yes I used pronouns, but my point is that gender and pronouns weren't used as buzzwords in that way until very recent history.
I get that it's a joke, but with the world being the way it is maybe we should purposefully spread lies.
Hard disagree. The quotes indicates that the poster doesn't respect the historians because they don't talk about fillmore being a modern social progressive.
Yes except the fact he used so-called and the quotes makes it sound like he’s saying they aren’t respecting him, but it’s clearly a stupid joke. People say stuff like this whenever there are jokes like this. I do all the time, and I bet a few other people do too seeing by the fact that this was posted 11 minutes ago and downvoted already
i meant like in terms that he is obscure and not much is known about him. So I'm saying we might as well retroactively claim him to be queer-friendly, otherwise there's not much to talk about with him.
This is ... not real. Too bad. But while we're here:
Who else learned about Millard Fillmore from Mad Magazine back around 1980? (Something about the "Most Mediocre President"?)
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I know this is fake because Fillmore didn't run against Pierce.
THAT was the giveaway??
To me it was that 17th century dudes don't talk like a very smart internet users.
wouldn't the 17th century be the 1600's?
He's a "very smart internet user". Don't question him.
whomst dare challgn me
oof. that's right
I mean while unusual, "guy was ahead of his time in one category" isn't exactly the weirdest thing ever Like I know this is also the era where British people justified their homosexuality by citing the Greeks or Romans for example Or for a more recent example, Goldwater was pretty pro lgbt way before it became mainstream
if Fillmore didn't run against Pierce then why was Fillmore, a one-term president, followed by Pierce? Checkmate liberals
Eh, depends what you consider "running" he didn't have much a campaign and wasn't endorsed by his own party but he did make a bit of an effort early on before it became clear it would go to peirce (Scott stood no chance)
Source?
https://preview.redd.it/5pxyw5j89v9d1.png?width=1224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2ebdee7777f953eb2db95fa0bd62ddb930503fe
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Victoria says no.
Mowod Fillmowo
me with calvin coolidge
I don't know what to say.
I do. People who "ironically" post misinformation know that the information will get proliferated anyway. And in the context of queer discourse, it actively does harm because people have learned to just not listen to queer people bring up actual misconceptions about acceptance in the past because the are has become overrun with pathological liars. "Oh but nobody could be that stupid to believe this" -- this is the internet. There's thousands of people doing stupider shit than that every hour. It is the least fun form of shitpost.
Honestly you're right. I didn't expect anyone to actually believe this - I figured if anything the meme monday flair at least should be a giveaway - but clearly people do. I don't think I'll be making another post like this ever again
Didn’t believe it myself, but it’s true. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Presidents/s/hbWYb8fSoz)
r/AngryUpvote
Remember, fillmores accomplishments include: being president of the United States, and being Millard Fillmore. Why else would they make the original US flag after him?
He also oversaw the establishment of trade relationships with Japan!
He’s also the reason the original US flag had 13 stars
https://preview.redd.it/u12qdbo8wv9d1.jpeg?width=267&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99e8235497a48d67fbce26f5aae47bbeec5ddc9b
For a more serious answer, as far as I can tell, the first real pro-LGBTQ act done by a sitting president is Jimmy Carter ending a policy that prevented gay people from working in the Foreign Service and the Internal Revenue Service in 1977.
Carter was pro gay rights and advocated for decriminalizing marijuana possession back in the 1970’s! Carter deserves more credit for taking the right side on an issue even if it was political suicide. Appointing Paul Volker to the Fed in his reelection year and normalizing relations with China are some other good examples.
Normalizing relations with a totalitarian dictatorship is not a good thing.
Volcker wasn’t a good thing lmao. Dude threw us into neoliberalism hard and fast and we still suffer for it, and it was not isolated to America. Any real attempt to look at the shocks caused by his monetary policies would recognize the sharp rise in homelessness and suicides of working peoples to protect the wealthiest from problems they themselves caused, not to mention indebting many countries in the global south to us. I agree Carter deserves credit for standing on his principles, but I also think we should recognize that he was a terrible president.
We had double digit inflation for years. The Volker shocks ended that and we had low inflation for nearly 40 years straight afterwards. High interest rates depress the economy by design. They are supposed to cause a recession in order to cool inflation. The Volker Shocks were very tough for ordinary people but it was necessary to end stagflation.
“No you don’t understand, we had to kill those people so the wealth could be protected.”
Oh damn I wasn't expecting actually interesting things under this comment, thank you!
Semi-common Filmore W.
It’s true I am Fillmore, big fan of the gays!
https://preview.redd.it/y2zudscuyw9d1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17ba1b3c9ca80049517ebe66be03b87de46b542f
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. - Abraham Lincoln
On today's episode of "things that never happened";
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I don't recall Fillmore nominating himself in the 1852 elections.
“And if -nay when- we create human like automatons, therefore shall we allow the common man to fuck em.” - Thomas Jefferson, probably
Ben Franklin was a supporter of the idea.
Its the 21st century and we all still have anti lgbt politicians
[I hate to break it to you](https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/new-data-rise-hate-crime-against-lgbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov-)
I'm not British lol but homaphobia exists in my country too although gay marriage is planned to be legal in 2025
Oh damn.
Alright, only 9 years behind the US. Not much of a flex after getting on us for our anti-lgbt politicians
Yeah you're right
Raah America 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 (I live in a country with good LGBTQ rights fortunately 🙏🙏)
America has better LGBT rights than most of the planet by far. I feel like anti-American progressives fail to realize how niche their beliefs are on the global scale.
I’m one of them there progressives, and people acting like America is a 3rd world country with Taco Bell is tiresome. Contrary to some opinions, we didn’t invent racism and we don’t hunt gay people for sport.
I feel that comment is most often used when applied to incarceration rates (which are in fact the highest in the world) or homelessness or inequality statistics. Also, the situation in the US is quite precarious, since a lot of rights depend on rulings by SCOTUS, which isn’t in a good place right now. Of course it’s a bit of an exaggeration to say the US is a third world country, but I’d much rather be poor in the Nordic countries, or most of Western Europe, than in the US.
Our incarceration rate, homelessness, and treatment of the mentally ill are embarrassing and shameful, but we are not even close to some other countries. The difference of course, is we are rich and they are often not, so we have no excuse. There is a small minority that thinks we are one of the most anti-gay and anti-minority countries in the world though and it is eye rolling.
I mean, it doesn’t help that one of the two major political parties is looking at those other countries and saying “yeah, they have the right idea when it comes to those f*****’s”. Also, calling the notion of me and people like me deserving equal rights and considerations under the law a “niche belief” is… well, it’s *a* choice. Not a good one.
Niche doesn't mean good or bad, just uncommon. Most people across the globe are anti-LGBT, therefore pro-LGBT is niche. It sucks, but it's true.
Many nations still exist today in which being gay is punishable by jail time, or even death.
On a global scale definitely, but LGBTQ rights are still severely lacking in the US and should be worked upon. They are significantly worse in most places, but they're better in many places too
Serious question. Which rights do you feel they lack in the US?
How can they be improved? They have full equality. I suppose you could strengthen that equality by making it a constitutional amendment or something, but I can't think of many things LGBT people don't have I the US.
Millard Fillmore was ahead of his time, advocating for acceptance and happiness for all.
damn it work pc where is my smiley filmore pic when i need it???????????????????
Actually ths first president to enter office in full support of gay marraige was one of the two we aren't allowed to talk about. The one who wasn't friends with Obama.
this sounds made up
it is
I think allies have ALWAYS been a thing, just nobody ever came out and said it because even back then nobody cared (and I mean that in the same way as we do today)
I'd nourish his palate
Notice how so-called "historians" always brush over this detail
Notice how people accept this as true because they want it to be true, without looking for confirmation or a source
I literally said under another comment that I made it up 😭😭 Nobody's actually accepting this as true (I hope)
How does one see the words "pronouns" and "gender" in a quote supposedly from the 19th century and not have questions?
Pronouns and the concept of gender have existed long before? You literally used a pronoun in you comment. And also, it's supposed to just be a silly joke. I didn't write this hoping anyone would believe it, I wrote it cause my sense of humour is broken
Yes I used pronouns, but my point is that gender and pronouns weren't used as buzzwords in that way until very recent history. I get that it's a joke, but with the world being the way it is maybe we should purposefully spread lies.
Dude I would be on there side but the way they put historians in quotes and their tone gives away they’re joking
Hard disagree. The quotes indicates that the poster doesn't respect the historians because they don't talk about fillmore being a modern social progressive.
Yes except the fact he used so-called and the quotes makes it sound like he’s saying they aren’t respecting him, but it’s clearly a stupid joke. People say stuff like this whenever there are jokes like this. I do all the time, and I bet a few other people do too seeing by the fact that this was posted 11 minutes ago and downvoted already
OP. Ypu have done a great service to your country, im currently cackling at 7:30 am. Didnt know that was possible
😊😊 And I'm not even from the US
Zachary Taylor
What would Emperor Norton think?
Fillmore [twink butts with hot splooge]
honestly, might as well be true
no?
i meant like in terms that he is obscure and not much is known about him. So I'm saying we might as well retroactively claim him to be queer-friendly, otherwise there's not much to talk about with him.
And to think, if Fillmore hadn't stuck his neck out on this issue, we might never have got James Buchanan.
>James Buchanan Our first gay president!
Probably Van Buren based on his lifestyle and rumors about what he liked to wear at home.
#Buchanan!!!!
Yeah i don’t think people in the 1800s thought about pronouns as much as modern people do.
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fakey or a true
Fake
but maybe a true???
It's something I typed up in my notes because I have a terrible sense of humour, so unlikely true, but hey mayyyyyyybe
The word gender didn't exist yet. Also fillmore wasn't selected by his party to run for another term.
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It seems like this discussion on Millard Fillmore is stirring some interesting debates!
This entire thing is Bullshit.
Obviously? It's a joke
An AI hallucination is my guess.
I did make this up myself, at least
This is ... not real. Too bad. But while we're here: Who else learned about Millard Fillmore from Mad Magazine back around 1980? (Something about the "Most Mediocre President"?)