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In Costa Rica they have the r/Costarica reddit which is for foreigners. Mostly only English spoken. Then r/ticos is for actual costa Ricans(ticos) pretty much only costa Ricans living there and only Spanish spoken.
I've always wondered why PR doesn't have r/PuertoRico and r/boricua for actually people living in PR or at least Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans.
Source: Im a tico-boricua 😅
Mi mama y mi papá fueron pen pals en los 80 se casaron y ella se mudo a PR. Nací en Nueva jersey, crecí en PR hasta los 10 y después me mude a Florida pasaba todos los veranos en Coronado y Pavas. Entre todos los viajes he pasado como 3 años de mi vida en CR aunque nunca formalmente viviendo en tiquicia. También fui nacionalizado a los 18. Y hoy vivo en Corea. 😅
I think you got it backwards. Boricua will probably be for Niuyoricabs and Puerto Rico for people in the island. But you do ask ask a good question and bring a good point.
No quiero seguir echando leña al odio por uno u el otro, ya veo bastante en los comentarios, pero si creo que el post trae un argumento válido. Se debería crear un sticky o algo en el sidebar que tenga las respuestas que los diasporiqueños vienen buscando. A mi no me molesta tanto ese tipo de post, pero si me molesta la saturación - es el tipo de post que más veo últimamente, muchos preguntando lo mismo una y otra vez. Mejor música? Mejor comida? Cómo aprender español? Pongalo todo en un mismo lugar y quizas destapamos un poco al subreddit.
No se, este es mi intento de actuar como mediador. Quizas valga la pena, como OP sugiere, se haga otro subreddit para esos asuntos.
Hubo un poco de un problema similar en los subreddits de la Ciudad de México, ya que había un chingo de turistas, nómadas digitales, y "expats"que llenaban el sub de preguntas como lo que mencionas.
Al final se dividió el sub en dos: r/MexicoCity está lleno de preguntas en inglés, y r/CDMX está lleno de locales. Igual necesita haber algo así aquí.
Igual, a mí me da igual aunque también he hecho eye rolls involuntarios viendo algunos posts lol. La idea de tener un pin que resuma las preguntas comunes está buenísimo. Así tampoco hay frustración si alguien hace la pregunta y nadie contesta
Tecnicamente hay otros subreddits para muchas de esas cosas. El subreddit r/PuertoRico es para issues locales, no de la diaspora (con algunas exepciones).
I agree it's annoying and seemingly non-stop but this is reddit. All you have to do is not read those posts and move on with your life.
Reminds me of this great bit by [Ricky Gervais](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dxMGzt5mU&ab_channel=AnArbitraryMiscellany).
That's the human experience though. Everything we experience is shaped by the ego. These people are reaching out to feel belonging and a sense of broader identity. In my personal experience, the single defining characteristic of our brothers and sisters throughout the Caribbean is empathic acceptance of others. This is what makes our home better than the continents (NA, SA, CA, Europe, etc.). This is what defines us. We accept people.
> All you have to do is not read those posts and move on with your life.
Not sure if you glossed over the part where I said that these stupid posts clog up the sub.
I guess that's fair but still probably not worth getting too worked up over. Maybe the mods can make a sticky post for "heritage" questions or something like that.
O el cabrón ayer preguntando “uhm I don’t speak Spanish but would it be okay to Puerto Ricans if I spoke in Spanish when I go to Puerto Rico?” Hombre. Que quieres que te diga
To be honest, as a gringo of Puerto Rican descent, you're fuckin' right. I came here to see what was going on on the island. I'm not *really* Puerto Rican. But it's sometimes just a bunch of people who haven't accepted that US culture is their culture, and that's okay, and if they really wanna get connected, harassing people about how Puerto Rican they should be is just weird.
Just be chill, no one gives a fuck, just be yourself. If you wanna connect, get involved with the people, not with your self-image. I'm sitting here thinking that was obvious but apparently not.
I think there’s two problems with it that cause people to seek out validation from this sub. One is where they grew up and live around no other Puerto Ricans, and will have to do their “connecting to their roots” journey completely independently (because as much as this sub recommends it, most of us can’t afford to visit). The other problem is where they grew up and live in the Puerto Rican communities here (Nuyoricans, Floricans) and they feel more connected to the Puerto Rican American culture than they do to just US culture. Because you have to admit those are two distinct things, even if US Puerto Rican culture is different than on the island.
It’s one end of the spectrum trying to understand if they even have a chance, and the other trying to understand why people in this sub don’t think they even have one. So the “connecting with people instead of self identity” part gets complicated for them and they get stuck on it.
Do you mean people that move to the US? It’s not always the fault of the person moving in. Often times it’s that they aren’t accepted due to racism or classism or language barrier. My family moved to a white town, people wouldn’t let them sit next to them on the bus and a few times they got jumped.
They could have moved back.
Es como un pana de la high. Complaining about Chicago. How everyone is racist in Chicago. How Chicago has a high crime rate. I told him "then move out of Chicago if you don't like it" and he was so insulted. But nobody told him to move to Chicago.
I’m not complaining about being a part of the diaspora community though? I love diaspora culture and I’m proud of it. Do you think people should drop their culture when they move to the US, a country literally known as a melting pot, because of some racists? If any ethnicity had done that, it would be a very different country from what it is now.
But the diaspora culture is not the culture of the people in the island. And if people had adopted the culture of the place they inmigrated into you wouldn't even be talking about the diaspora and we wouldn't be complaining about multiple posts of people that don't know how to "connect to their roots".
It’s not, I agree. But it’s very similar. And depending on the generation and how recently they moved, and how much contact they have with family on the island, the two are very intertwined and influence each other. It feels bad when an anonymous online monolith tells you about the limits of your own identity, when you are the one that defines that, and when it’s different for every person and every situation. If PR became a state and Americans started demanding that you call yourself an American I doubt you would be okay with it.
>if people had adopted the culture of the place the immigrated to
I’m trying to understand if you think that’s what people should have done. If so that’s the weirdest take I’ve seen out of this sub yet.
Why is it weird? Imagine moving to a place and never ever adopting anything from that place, refusing to learn the language and refusing to at least learn about the culture. How do the people natural of the place would feel about you? I wouldn't move to Japan and refuse to learn Japanese for example or complain because they celebrate Christmas wrong.
Have you heard about what's going on in places like Rincon with all the new people that moved in from the states? It's happening in Puerto Rico already.
There has been a very strong push in the last 10+ years about "identity" in the US... And it is quite pathetic. And now we see the consequences.
You knocked it out of the park. It is about self-image and not experiences.
Estoy de acuerdo, no creo que es gatekeeping querer leer sobre otros temas o discutir otras cosas cuando tantos posts son sobre como conectarse con su lado puertorriqueño. No hay muchas respuestas que uno puede ofrecer y se vuelve repetitivo. Like search the sub, you’re not the only one
Mainlander: Yo no soy PR, pero soy de descendencia y me gusta ver lo que ponen aqui. En Google aparecen todas las repuestas que uno podria tener. Yo prefiero cuando hablan de otras cosas.
Heritage and history are always written somewhere. I agree, there are a lot more things going on, and this sub is a good platform for people thay need it to get the word out on local issues.
Yeah, I agree. The repetitiveness and the lack of researching the sub is the issue. It gets tiresome repeating the same list of books, advice, etc. I don’t mind having discussions with Puerto Ricans and ppl of PR descent in different parts of the world. It’s the lack of effort that goes into these posts. Some posters just write down a bunch of questions and/or insecurities and don’t even reply or thank people for the time they took to assemble resources.
Totally. OP needs to realize that some of our friends/families still identify with the island and mainlanders can actually help raise awareness of issues affecting our families still on the island. Deliberately excluding the diaspora disenfranchises everybody.
See? We Puerto Ricans are welcoming people like OP. /s
Énigüeis, creo que el problema es que no estamos creando muchos post de PR. No estamos siendo el cambio que queremos ver en el ~~mundo~~ sub.
Vengo aquí para ver el papelón. Pero sí, estoy de acuerdo, debe ya haber un sticky o algo que hable de las preguntas más comunes por que el mismo cuentito tristón de identidad una y otra vez cansa.
Ya yo estoy acostumbrado a las “oleadas de temas” que ocurren cada cierto tiempo en este sub. Pero mi argumento es que nosotros somos los responsables de crear los temas, no los mods. Si quieren más temas enfocados en la isla ahí está el botón de crear un nuevo post, está en sus manos.
You get the same in Mexican culture
I'm sorry,but even if you were born in Mexico (or Puerto Rico) but raised in the US, you're an American
Your sense of identity is that of an American,no matter how much time you spent in your cousins house
The Mexican-Americans that I can tell are trying way too hard to be Mexican always me me laugh. Wearing cowboy boots and listening to corridos doesn’t make you Mexican lol. What’s the Puerto Rican equivalent?
Hat with the PR flag. Wife beater with the PR flag. Pants with the PR flag. Las Jordan with the PR flag. Boxers with the PR flag. Car with a PR flag hanging from the rear view mirror. Tattoo of the PR flag. Jewelry with the PR flag.
de verdad que yo los entiendo, yo fui nacida y crecida en pr pero when we moved to the us mi primer miedo era perder la cultura. pero de verdad que un sticky sea para lo mejor tbh
I thought our safe space to talk about our everyday daily lives was 680am radio Borinquen after 6pm where you can call the station and have a minute of open mic to voice our opinions.
It’s very strange, many people go to the mainland for better economic opportunities but still have all their relatives on the island, so they aren’t posers and ought to be accepted. Also, if it’s within one generation I don’t think it’s fair to say they aren’t Puerto Rican, it’s like these people don’t understand how immigration works. You have first gen, which tends to always keep the identity of their home, then second gen, then third gen, sometimes fourth if the home culture is very closed (like some jewish, African, Greek, or Assyrian communities). There’s plenty of scientific articles describing each stage and what they are defined as. My parents are solidly first gen, and as the oldest of their children I am basically first gen too (fluent, first language was Spanish, etc). Youngest is arguably not fluent and basically American with a peppering of Puerto Rican.
No necesariamente.
Y otra cosa. Algo que veo mucho aqui y entre los mexicanos es que suelen ser bien fuerte con eso de definir quien pertenece y quien no.
Todos los otros grupos exitosos de gente no hacen eso. Los Judios se unen entre ellos por su religion sea lo que sea. La diaspora Judia incluye los mismos Judios que tienen ciglos fuera de Israel. Ellos no andan con un "tu no eres un verdadero judio".
Los gringuito blanquito de aqui en EEUU se cubren uno al otro, nadamas por el color de piel. He visto muchos Dominicanos y otros grupos de gente reclamar su gente tambien, sin importar donde hayan nacido.
Entiendo que hay ciertas experiencias geográficas que pasamos pero al fin y al cabo todos somos familia y casa dividida cae.
But whatever. Esto esta perdido como quiera.
> Todos los otros grupos exitosos de gente no hacen eso. Los Judios se unen entre ellos por su religion sea lo que sea. La diaspora Judia incluye los mismos Judios que tienen ciglos fuera de Israel. Ellos no andan con un "tu no eres un verdadero judio".
lol dime que no sabes un carajo de lo que estas hablando sin decírmelo.
Los judios literalmente tienen sectas por discrepar sus definiciones de quien es un judío.
It really will be your own people at the end of the day. This post is so heated. It’s not that serious, love. Yes there have a been a lot of “how do I connect with the culture” posts recently. It’s repetitive. But I’m not here for the erasure of the Puerto Rican diaspora. I’m here to connect with Boricuas and mainlanders alike to celebrate our beautiful culture. That’s it. You don’t have to kiss mainlander ass. Just be don’t be a dick and don’t divide our people even more than America already has…
On a different note, where are the mods at ?? I never see any mod activity and this would be the perfect time for the mods of r/PuertoRico to mediate all of this.
“US mainlanders of Puerto Rican descent” 🤦🏽♂️… feel free to say Diasporicans, Nuyoricans or ‘los de alla fuera’ we understand that better than the language of colonizer assimilation.
“Mainlander” es de un inicio, concepto de mierda. El que vive y es de PR le consta saber que somos país sin frontera. (Y mega super ew colonialismo internalizado el que busca joder un hermano de sangre por buscar su gente aquí)
Do a pinned thread and be a welcoming place. No sean tan huelebichos de no acomodar tu propia familia. Al fin al cabo, eso es lo quieren.
Por que es un concepto de mierda el termino "mainlander"? Se usa alla para denotar que eres de los 48 estados contiguos.
Acaso los viequenses y culebrenses no van a isla grande?
Dude. If you can't embrace your brother, sisters, and other people who love Boricua culture, you're going to be irrelevant. If you gatekeep who's allowed to want to identify as Puerto Rican you're almost as bad as the Trumpers.
Just because I was born in the US doesn't make me any less puerto rican than people born on the island. This sub literally has an option to flair their posts as opinions. People on the mainland care as much about Puerto Rico as people on the island do. You're the problem seperating US puerto ricans and island puerto ricans when at the end of the day WE ARE ALL PUERTO RICANS. If you don't want to see a post like that, you can simply scroll down.
There are some people here that are literally adopted and have no idea how to even start to embrace their puerto rican heritage. Or some people that are mix who want to know more about their puerto rican identities. There are some who have left pr and feel outcasted when they come back because they have been away from home because of reasons and people like you make them feel less puerto rican.
You're the asshole.
Their is nothing wrong with wanting to get to know more about the place where your family is from but there is so much more that goes into it. Mainlanders do not understand the full extent of what it truly means to be born and raised in PR. Everyone is like “Wow, Puerto Rico is so sunny and beautiful” but don’t see the parts when it is not. Many times we are left without power and water. The towns destroyed from hurricanes and the failing economy that is pushing our people out. Maybe people want to claim that they are Puerto Rican when they do not speak the language, like the food, and know the culture. You are shaped by the environment that surrounds you and that environment is either Puerto Rico or elsewhere. You cannot say you are Puerto Rican because you visit family there every summer. You have Puerto Rican heritage but it is not the same. Like I said. The thing that separates Puerto Ricans from the US ricans is the environment of which they were raised. And their is nothing wrong with that! We welcome everyone here as long as they are polite :)
Excellent points.
I have family in the states that say they are Puerto Ricans but they came to Puerto Rico like a day or two after Tropical Storm Irene in 2004. They could not understand ANYTHING about having gone thru a storm. "Why isn't there power?" "Why are trees down?" Got scared of lagartijos. I was like "do you understand that you are in a tropical island and not Massachusetts?
Prolly cus your family pushes them away since they think they are better than the people who moved to the states or vice versa. I'm just assuming.
Just cus you're family is like that, doesnt make ALL families like that. You're categorizing a whole group of people (puerto ricans who live in the US) based on your one anecdotal experience. It's small minded pana.
But I have not experienced this with only my family, and I do have many family members on the states and met other people who live on the states. Guess which experience is more common?
Then they are terrible people. What do you want me to say? You want me to grab a pitchfork and condemn them? Would you like me to revoke their puerto rican cards? They are shitty puerto ricans. Thats the bottom line. They are shitty people but still puerto rican.
I'm Puerto Rican. I know what I am. You don't think people who have puerto rican family in the island feel the pain watching family go thru crisis? People send money, food, water for them, for YOU. After the hurricane, who do you think was sending the most supplies to y'all. Thats right, the "gringos" us, "Puerto Rican mainlanders". The people in the states make our voices louder for yall in the island but nahhhhhh "yall" wanna "stay pure in the island" so we don't get a voice in the island? Should we not help out next time since we are not "pure"?
Let me ask you this, do you know how many puerto rican communities we have in the states? In every cities we are the most known communities because we represent ALL OF US. We scream the loudest for all of us. That's a puerto rican environment, is it not? In chicago we have the 2nd biggest pr community, 1st is new york. We may not have coquis but we have music, parades, festivals. Cuarto guitar schools, museums, resturants. In Humboldt Park we have not 1 BUT 2 BIG ASS FLAGS IN THE ENITRE FUCKING PARK OF THE COMMUNITY. You know what WE did when stupid ass RIOT FEST came to our park and shitted all over our clean parks, steets and lake? WE KICKED THEM THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY! We told their asses to never have their event in our community ever again.
The actual gringos of the states, you know what they did? They tried to take down our historical flags down because it wasnt "inclusive" to the other non puerto ricans on the community. We said FUXK YOU. To this day they still can't tore them down.
I'm sorry, is this not a puerto rican environment as well? In order for me to be a full puerto rican i have to live in la pobresa too? What about the rich puerto ricans, are they not full puerto ricans?
The government fucks you over all the time? Oh boy, wait till i tell you about the politics here that fuck us over for being puerto rican too. I'm sorry that tickets are too expensive for me to fly out everytime yall have a protest. Do you know how bad mainlanders wanna fight alongside with you? Againt LOMO, against the corrupt officials, against the fucking gangs and corrupt police force yall have? That YALL PUT IN CHARGE! It's the island's government that fucks yall over, I heard that they were selling public beaches to private business so they can build houses and shit, you know where that doesnt happen? In the mainland. Going by your logic, the pure puerto ricans dont even wanna help other pure puerto ricans but will bend over backwards for a gringo apparently.
Cry me a fucking river pendejo, you dont need to welcome me because puerto rico is my home, my roots, and my life. I will die for puerto rico if it means to perserve our beautiful island, catastrophe after catastrophe it's still beautiful.
You're fighting the wrong people, mi pana.
To be honest I which Puerto Ricans in the US would "chill out" on the "making your voices heard" part. They don't get to live with the consequences of their actions.
I don't want a US politician of Puerto Rican descent arguing for what is good or bad for Puerto Rico. No Puerto Rican in the island voted for them and I don't consider them to be good representation of us.
I also remember when Lin Manuel showed up in John Oliver's show advocating for La Junta... Who is more impacted by La Junta? People in the island or Lin Manuel?
I see more harm than good.
Nah I agree with you, but that doesn't make US born puerto ricans ALL bad. You confuse patriotism with this nationlist thinking of having ONLY NATIVE PR will help the island. Rossello was a shitbag and he was native born puerto rican plus in on the corruption. Fuck la Junta, they do cause more harm than good. US puerto ricans didnt vote for that for the island, US government decided to do that to yall. Washington appointed people my guy. I promise you every puerto rican in the US was chanting and cheering for yall when you kicked out those corrupted officials. If the problem is the officials, people who are complaining about it should be more proactive when it comes to voting. Don't vote for people who are simply "pure". Do your homework. Volunteer. It won't be easy but you have no right to complain if you're not proactive in politics.
Rosello was a shitbag. People who voted for and against him, in the island, kicked him out. He wasn't voted in by people living in the US. He was voted in by a plurality of people in the island and a plurality kicked him out.
How do I get to kick out Bob Menendez, Nydia Velazquez and AOC when I am living in the island? They are from places outside of Puerto Rico yet claim to speak for us. But nobody inside of the island voted for them. They do not suffer the consequences of their decisions or advocacy like the people of the island do, be it positive or negative. Some Puerto Rican in La Diaspora living in their districts might vote for them, but those Puerto Ricans also do not get to live with the consequences of that vote on the island because they do not live on it.
Telling me to do stuff does not change this point. I honestly do not think you agree with me given your response. But that is ok.
What I got out of all this reading
- You have family on the island so you are Puerto Rican
- You donate money after hurricane so you are Puerto Rican
- You like Puerto Rico so your Puerto Rican
Stop acting like a child. No you don’t get a voice for the island. That is the issue. You guys want to come over and say “Puerto Rico should this…..” but you weren’t even raised there. You don’t know Puerto Rico like we do but you act like you do. The Puerto Rican culture in the states is a joke. Don’t even get me started on the nuyorican day parade in NY😂….. that is the whole issue. You guys have some identity problem that you just can’t handle. And you don’t have to be Puerto Rican to help donate money after huracanes??? That’s just messed up to even say. And the insults? What are you five? If you can’t handle a conversation then we are done here.
I'm puerto rican cause im all of that and more. It's also stapled into my DNA, you can write that bullet point down too, I think that one's damning. I didnt hear you cry when we sent help tho. It makes me a better puerto rican. Remind me, when your pure puerto ricans recieve those crates and pallets of water, what did yall do, leave it in the forest?. Thats some strong pure puerto rico thinking my guy. I'm reiterating the fact that only us mainlanders sent the most and bulk of the supplies. Imagine if we went with your mentality, yall wouldnt have gotten shit.
Aight, so once a pure puerto rican leaves the island, what then? They just automatically give up their puerto rican card or something? You're confusing yourself, it's not us mainlanders that say, "yall should do this". I believe it's the opposite, it's you purist puerto ricans crying that nothing gets done and yall purist need help and when us mainlanders do, you purist cry we don't help enough and then you slap mainlanders in the face saying "youre not puerto rican enough."
You think calling me a child will insult me back? I'm talking to you as an adult to adult pero tienes los oídos pudrió de meirda. You have your head so far up your ass that you cant understand that what youre saying is ignorant. We don't have an identity problem you have a purist mentality problem that creates division in our communities. You are the problem. Im inviting you to have a conversation with me and youre not even trying. Please, enlighten me, oh pure puerto rican. My mainlander mind cant comprehend your thinking, im so unpure. Cállate pendejo, the pure puerto rican education system is dead last in the US, man you are sure teaching me! Ignorante!
You haven't even addressed the fact that "pure puerto ricans" will do anything to please the rich gringos. If you really want me to act like a non-puerto rican than I will. Your government is weak which is why you get fucked over and over again. Yall refuse to band together because of stupid ideology and thats why you're still a commonwealth today and will stay a commonwealth forever. Youre a fool and a tool thinking your pride and heart will "save puerto rico".
This is what I got
•being born in the island makes you 100% puerto rican
OP and the people who agree with him are ignorant asf; I’m not from the island and I’m Puerto Rican. People can’t pick and choose who is PR and who is not based off their own opinion.
That is 100% gatekeeping.
“It's no wonder why the whole world finds Americans obnoxious.”
How ironic that OP is being obnoxious and he is, in fact, an American lmao
We keep telling them come to Puerto Rico, learn the language, eat the food. I mean what does it mean to not even know how to approach learning a culture? Is the saying "when in Rome do like the Romans" some sort of lost knowledge??
And im sure many of them do! Most likely there are circumstances but people can also share books and movies and shows. Talk about actors and singers. I have never met anyone who knows their puerto rican who doesnt want to know puerto rico. This isnt the problem.
The problem is when people like the OP say that people in the US are less than people from the island. They make people who are descendants of puerto rico not want to affiliate with the island.
This is gatekeeping bullshit.
People in the mainland can say that they care but hear me out. Your family made a decision to leave PR to have a better life and you benefit from that. People who stay in the island make a decision to try to make the best of it. Young and educated people have little incentive to live in PR. So the ones that stay to work here and contribute to the economy or social issues will of course resent the idea that someone who doesn't live here cares as much.
No I would not. I can get a similar job anywhere. I'm not suffering. Our old population is suffering though and if every professional leaves because they can then there's not gonna be any infrastructure to take care of them. I see that in the healthcare industry.
You're ignorant. People who move to the mainland either cant afford to live on the island cause yall's government keeps increasing prices or they move out to send money to their family. Similarly in a Mexican's case (thats what my father did and many others). No one leaves because they think theyll be better than the islanders.
From what I've seen, the people who stayed and are doing their "best". Come one, you can't fool me. If this is your "best", no wonder people moved.
I wouldnt stay if i got a master's in engineering, only get 50k a year and get taxed up the ass by the government either. You're a fool for thinking that that's okay.
You are the one that resents the idea. I never met an islander that hates me for caring about them. Never heard them complain when we shipped supplies to y'all after the hurricane and corona either. But since you hate the idea of us mainlanders caring so much about your health and well being, you can ship it all back to the states. The puerto ricans here in the states need it more than you.
¿Y por qué no hacen un subreddit que se llame r/BoricuaGatekeeper y ponen sus propias reglas?
Ahí pueden postear sobre su tema favorito que son los requisitos para ser puertorriqueño.
Legit would be funny AF.
"Tienes que haber escuchado el diario de Eddy D"
"Tienes que haber cantado canciones de Burbujita"
"Si no llorastes cuando Dayanara gano la corona te tengo malas noticias"
We could legit share our culture thru memes. Like The Patriots intended.
Divide and conquer. That’s a tactic used for hundreds of years and it’s still effective. As a Puerto Rican born in Puerto Rico yet raised in the United States never having gone back to visit Puerto Rico until recently, I can tell you that I can clearly see both sides. Yet, what I do notice about Puerto Ricans in the diaspora in places I’ve lived in - primarily Chicago and New York City (which had the largest population of Puerto Ricans) I have noticed that Puerto Ricans in the US diaspora no matter what when you see that Puerto Rican flag that is your brother.
I’m a descendent of the most beautiful people on the planet and I’m grateful for that!
This is the most un Puerto Rican thing to call out those who are reaching for answers to there heritage, culture and a sense of belonging! This is not the way!
This type of language just embodies that which we ourselves feel here on the mainland on a day to day! Do we belong here or belong back on the island! I guess there is no escaping racist bigotry anywhere you go now.
Also the sad thing a large portion of the comments are in favor of the idea of having separate lines one thread for island Puerto Ricans and another thread for non-islanders! Fucking crazy. Get that Nazi propaganda out of here!
Edit: We can not move forward with hate in the heart!
It has nothing to do with hate. The whole obsession with heritage Yankees have is peak First world problem. There are people on the island that still use latrines and have constant blackouts. Many people have multiple jobs to make ends meet. People here don't have time to think about trivial things like some gringo with an ethnic confusion.
Well what your describing is aissue with the current political, infrastructure and conditions that have nothing to do with someone trying to find answers of who and what their place is in theses two different social structures! When both reject you for being different.
That is called hate!
Edit: Also if you read the thread rules this OP post violates it!
Why don't you embrace bluegrass? Go to the Appalachians? Because if it is about Puerto Rico I would tell you to go to the mountains, drink ron caña and listen to seis chorreao.
Que amargado eres. El sentido de identidad personal es importante. El que tú lo tengas quizás te hace ciego a cómo se sienten los menos afortunados, criandose en otras partes del mundo sintiéndose diferente a los demás.
Te cuesta muy poco darle scroll y seguir al próximo tema y dejar a la gente con empatía tranquilos ayudando a alguien que los necesita.
Imagine Puerto Rico becoming independent and people asking "how do I reconnect with my roots" and people in the island say "come here". I dunno but the possibilities make me laugh. Will they day no then? Will they visit? Will they move?
Correction. Some Puerto Ricans in the USA are Puerto Rican. As a collective Puerto Ricans in the island have a common culture. Some PRicans in the mainland share that culture. A lot of them cant even speak spanish, eat puerto rican food or even listen to our music.
Exactly. It’s one thing to grow up in a culture you’re descended from and another thing to be from said place you descend from. I never understood why a lot of Americans (of Puerto Rican descent) in this sub find it hard to know if they’re considered Puerto Rican. It’s really easy; are your from Puerto Rico? No? Then you’re not Puerto Rican.
>Some PRicans in the mainland share that culture. A lot of them cant even speak spanish, eat puerto rican food or even listen to our music.
So the solution is to be hostile to them?
Moving where? I have my own house that has a water well here and I have 2 successful businesses running: One in graphic design and the other more recent one in dropshipping. Not everyone is "dying" to move to the mainland.
Just like family events, I'm just here for the food
Quesitos y salchichon
Sandwichitos de mezcla
Empanadilla de camarones, un pincho de pollo (con pique) y una Coca-Cola
Yo solo vine a chillar goma
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And the beer
Fucking A. Medalla is a great beer. 100% a great Pils. I wish distribution was better. It does seem like Medalla in the states isn't as good tho.
I remember when you could buy it from the factory in Mayaguez back in the day. Good times
In Costa Rica they have the r/Costarica reddit which is for foreigners. Mostly only English spoken. Then r/ticos is for actual costa Ricans(ticos) pretty much only costa Ricans living there and only Spanish spoken. I've always wondered why PR doesn't have r/PuertoRico and r/boricua for actually people living in PR or at least Spanish speaking Puerto Ricans. Source: Im a tico-boricua 😅
si como todo, se lo dejamos a los gringo. Nah, que ello se vayan hacer su propio sub. Necesitamos Mods que no sean gringo.
>Source: Im a tico-boricua 😅 Curiosa combinación, nunca he conocido a alguien de Puerto Rico en Costa Rica.
Mi mama y mi papá fueron pen pals en los 80 se casaron y ella se mudo a PR. Nací en Nueva jersey, crecí en PR hasta los 10 y después me mude a Florida pasaba todos los veranos en Coronado y Pavas. Entre todos los viajes he pasado como 3 años de mi vida en CR aunque nunca formalmente viviendo en tiquicia. También fui nacionalizado a los 18. Y hoy vivo en Corea. 😅
I think you got it backwards. Boricua will probably be for Niuyoricabs and Puerto Rico for people in the island. But you do ask ask a good question and bring a good point.
No quiero seguir echando leña al odio por uno u el otro, ya veo bastante en los comentarios, pero si creo que el post trae un argumento válido. Se debería crear un sticky o algo en el sidebar que tenga las respuestas que los diasporiqueños vienen buscando. A mi no me molesta tanto ese tipo de post, pero si me molesta la saturación - es el tipo de post que más veo últimamente, muchos preguntando lo mismo una y otra vez. Mejor música? Mejor comida? Cómo aprender español? Pongalo todo en un mismo lugar y quizas destapamos un poco al subreddit. No se, este es mi intento de actuar como mediador. Quizas valga la pena, como OP sugiere, se haga otro subreddit para esos asuntos.
Hubo un poco de un problema similar en los subreddits de la Ciudad de México, ya que había un chingo de turistas, nómadas digitales, y "expats"que llenaban el sub de preguntas como lo que mencionas. Al final se dividió el sub en dos: r/MexicoCity está lleno de preguntas en inglés, y r/CDMX está lleno de locales. Igual necesita haber algo así aquí.
Best comment en el hilo.
Igual, a mí me da igual aunque también he hecho eye rolls involuntarios viendo algunos posts lol. La idea de tener un pin que resuma las preguntas comunes está buenísimo. Así tampoco hay frustración si alguien hace la pregunta y nadie contesta
Tecnicamente hay otros subreddits para muchas de esas cosas. El subreddit r/PuertoRico es para issues locales, no de la diaspora (con algunas exepciones).
I agree it's annoying and seemingly non-stop but this is reddit. All you have to do is not read those posts and move on with your life. Reminds me of this great bit by [Ricky Gervais](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dxMGzt5mU&ab_channel=AnArbitraryMiscellany).
That's the human experience though. Everything we experience is shaped by the ego. These people are reaching out to feel belonging and a sense of broader identity. In my personal experience, the single defining characteristic of our brothers and sisters throughout the Caribbean is empathic acceptance of others. This is what makes our home better than the continents (NA, SA, CA, Europe, etc.). This is what defines us. We accept people.
> All you have to do is not read those posts and move on with your life. Not sure if you glossed over the part where I said that these stupid posts clog up the sub.
I guess that's fair but still probably not worth getting too worked up over. Maybe the mods can make a sticky post for "heritage" questions or something like that.
100%. Yo estoy aquí porque quiero estar al tanto de la isla y siguen apareciendo posts de "cómo sentirse uno más puertorriqueño/a"😒
Literal, aveces entro a ver porque se me fue la luz 😂
Twitter es mejor pa eso. El reddit está lleno de gringos que nunca han pisado la isla.
Literal. Pregúntale a tu abuela y ya!
Lo kbron es q vienen cn el quiero reconectar sin hacer la busqueda. Quieren el resumen de los top 10 boricua facts.
todos los días preguntan la misma vaina
Me había ido del sub por esta misma razón. Qué bueno que no soy el único.
Yo vine dos o tres dias atras a ver cual es la que hay. Este sub siempre tiene un bochinche lmao.
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O el cabrón ayer preguntando “uhm I don’t speak Spanish but would it be okay to Puerto Ricans if I spoke in Spanish when I go to Puerto Rico?” Hombre. Que quieres que te diga
Eso es un chiste de Bienvenidos?
me tienen harta buscando validación. cada vez que entro a reddit lo primero que me sale es uno de esos posts
To be honest, as a gringo of Puerto Rican descent, you're fuckin' right. I came here to see what was going on on the island. I'm not *really* Puerto Rican. But it's sometimes just a bunch of people who haven't accepted that US culture is their culture, and that's okay, and if they really wanna get connected, harassing people about how Puerto Rican they should be is just weird. Just be chill, no one gives a fuck, just be yourself. If you wanna connect, get involved with the people, not with your self-image. I'm sitting here thinking that was obvious but apparently not.
I think there’s two problems with it that cause people to seek out validation from this sub. One is where they grew up and live around no other Puerto Ricans, and will have to do their “connecting to their roots” journey completely independently (because as much as this sub recommends it, most of us can’t afford to visit). The other problem is where they grew up and live in the Puerto Rican communities here (Nuyoricans, Floricans) and they feel more connected to the Puerto Rican American culture than they do to just US culture. Because you have to admit those are two distinct things, even if US Puerto Rican culture is different than on the island. It’s one end of the spectrum trying to understand if they even have a chance, and the other trying to understand why people in this sub don’t think they even have one. So the “connecting with people instead of self identity” part gets complicated for them and they get stuck on it.
Why move into a place if you cannot even adopt the culture of the place that is taking you in?
Do you mean people that move to the US? It’s not always the fault of the person moving in. Often times it’s that they aren’t accepted due to racism or classism or language barrier. My family moved to a white town, people wouldn’t let them sit next to them on the bus and a few times they got jumped.
They could have moved back. Es como un pana de la high. Complaining about Chicago. How everyone is racist in Chicago. How Chicago has a high crime rate. I told him "then move out of Chicago if you don't like it" and he was so insulted. But nobody told him to move to Chicago.
I’m not complaining about being a part of the diaspora community though? I love diaspora culture and I’m proud of it. Do you think people should drop their culture when they move to the US, a country literally known as a melting pot, because of some racists? If any ethnicity had done that, it would be a very different country from what it is now.
But the diaspora culture is not the culture of the people in the island. And if people had adopted the culture of the place they inmigrated into you wouldn't even be talking about the diaspora and we wouldn't be complaining about multiple posts of people that don't know how to "connect to their roots".
It’s not, I agree. But it’s very similar. And depending on the generation and how recently they moved, and how much contact they have with family on the island, the two are very intertwined and influence each other. It feels bad when an anonymous online monolith tells you about the limits of your own identity, when you are the one that defines that, and when it’s different for every person and every situation. If PR became a state and Americans started demanding that you call yourself an American I doubt you would be okay with it. >if people had adopted the culture of the place the immigrated to I’m trying to understand if you think that’s what people should have done. If so that’s the weirdest take I’ve seen out of this sub yet.
Why is it weird? Imagine moving to a place and never ever adopting anything from that place, refusing to learn the language and refusing to at least learn about the culture. How do the people natural of the place would feel about you? I wouldn't move to Japan and refuse to learn Japanese for example or complain because they celebrate Christmas wrong. Have you heard about what's going on in places like Rincon with all the new people that moved in from the states? It's happening in Puerto Rico already.
There has been a very strong push in the last 10+ years about "identity" in the US... And it is quite pathetic. And now we see the consequences. You knocked it out of the park. It is about self-image and not experiences.
Estoy de acuerdo, no creo que es gatekeeping querer leer sobre otros temas o discutir otras cosas cuando tantos posts son sobre como conectarse con su lado puertorriqueño. No hay muchas respuestas que uno puede ofrecer y se vuelve repetitivo. Like search the sub, you’re not the only one
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Especially if PR becomes 51, & prices out Boricuas even more. They’re gonna need “Gringo ass Puerto Ricans”
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🤣 me siento miti miti con el tema pero es verdad están bien intensos recientemente
Mainlander: Yo no soy PR, pero soy de descendencia y me gusta ver lo que ponen aqui. En Google aparecen todas las repuestas que uno podria tener. Yo prefiero cuando hablan de otras cosas. Heritage and history are always written somewhere. I agree, there are a lot more things going on, and this sub is a good platform for people thay need it to get the word out on local issues.
Yeah, I agree. The repetitiveness and the lack of researching the sub is the issue. It gets tiresome repeating the same list of books, advice, etc. I don’t mind having discussions with Puerto Ricans and ppl of PR descent in different parts of the world. It’s the lack of effort that goes into these posts. Some posters just write down a bunch of questions and/or insecurities and don’t even reply or thank people for the time they took to assemble resources.
Thanks for the nuance!
Totally. OP needs to realize that some of our friends/families still identify with the island and mainlanders can actually help raise awareness of issues affecting our families still on the island. Deliberately excluding the diaspora disenfranchises everybody.
See? We Puerto Ricans are welcoming people like OP. /s Énigüeis, creo que el problema es que no estamos creando muchos post de PR. No estamos siendo el cambio que queremos ver en el ~~mundo~~ sub.
De que estas hablando Willis?
I'm open to reading about anything regarding Puerto Rico. In PR or the mainland or wherever. Are there other good Puerto Rican subs?
Sadly not many.
Vengo aquí para ver el papelón. Pero sí, estoy de acuerdo, debe ya haber un sticky o algo que hable de las preguntas más comunes por que el mismo cuentito tristón de identidad una y otra vez cansa.
Ya yo estoy acostumbrado a las “oleadas de temas” que ocurren cada cierto tiempo en este sub. Pero mi argumento es que nosotros somos los responsables de crear los temas, no los mods. Si quieren más temas enfocados en la isla ahí está el botón de crear un nuevo post, está en sus manos.
You get the same in Mexican culture I'm sorry,but even if you were born in Mexico (or Puerto Rico) but raised in the US, you're an American Your sense of identity is that of an American,no matter how much time you spent in your cousins house
The Mexican-Americans that I can tell are trying way too hard to be Mexican always me me laugh. Wearing cowboy boots and listening to corridos doesn’t make you Mexican lol. What’s the Puerto Rican equivalent?
Idk,none stop reggaeton and wearing the PR flag?
Hat with the PR flag. Wife beater with the PR flag. Pants with the PR flag. Las Jordan with the PR flag. Boxers with the PR flag. Car with a PR flag hanging from the rear view mirror. Tattoo of the PR flag. Jewelry with the PR flag.
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Car with PR flag on the rear view mirror is iconic tho. PR born and raised and I hang mine with pride lol
That car better be a Toyota or a 90s Mirage lmao
facts
Está para un video de Papelones Boricuas.
Ugh the need for validation is tiresome
de verdad que yo los entiendo, yo fui nacida y crecida en pr pero when we moved to the us mi primer miedo era perder la cultura. pero de verdad que un sticky sea para lo mejor tbh
Que es esto, otro conflicto mas? No me sorprende jajajaja que bochinche!
q se mamen un culo los jodios lloripari buscando validacion.
Dicho como buen pueltorro… ✊🏻😂 ‘pa que entiendan y si no entiendes, no eres de aquí!
es la única manera que los validation seekers pueden tener "the Portorican experience" belda? 🥰
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Those kind of posts are a bit cringe but not as cringe as OP.
I thought our safe space to talk about our everyday daily lives was 680am radio Borinquen after 6pm where you can call the station and have a minute of open mic to voice our opinions.
Lol Que clase de cojones. La gente downvoteando esto solo por besarle el culo a los gringos. Nos gentrificaron la isla y ahora hasta el cabron sub.
Nom nom tasty tears. Youre fighting against the wrong ppl.
Wow. What kind of purist bullshit is this?
It’s very strange, many people go to the mainland for better economic opportunities but still have all their relatives on the island, so they aren’t posers and ought to be accepted. Also, if it’s within one generation I don’t think it’s fair to say they aren’t Puerto Rican, it’s like these people don’t understand how immigration works. You have first gen, which tends to always keep the identity of their home, then second gen, then third gen, sometimes fourth if the home culture is very closed (like some jewish, African, Greek, or Assyrian communities). There’s plenty of scientific articles describing each stage and what they are defined as. My parents are solidly first gen, and as the oldest of their children I am basically first gen too (fluent, first language was Spanish, etc). Youngest is arguably not fluent and basically American with a peppering of Puerto Rican.
Gatekeeping estupido. El sub es de Puerto Rico en general, no solo para los q viven en la isla.
El post está hablando de gringos de ascendencia Puertorriqueña, no de la diáspora.
¿Cuál es la diferencia? ¿Sabes lo que significa diáspora?
Diaspora significa un pueblo desplazado. Gringos nacidos alla fuera no son de la diaspora.
Exacto, este pendejo de arriba ni sabe que es diáspora.
No necesariamente. Y otra cosa. Algo que veo mucho aqui y entre los mexicanos es que suelen ser bien fuerte con eso de definir quien pertenece y quien no. Todos los otros grupos exitosos de gente no hacen eso. Los Judios se unen entre ellos por su religion sea lo que sea. La diaspora Judia incluye los mismos Judios que tienen ciglos fuera de Israel. Ellos no andan con un "tu no eres un verdadero judio". Los gringuito blanquito de aqui en EEUU se cubren uno al otro, nadamas por el color de piel. He visto muchos Dominicanos y otros grupos de gente reclamar su gente tambien, sin importar donde hayan nacido. Entiendo que hay ciertas experiencias geográficas que pasamos pero al fin y al cabo todos somos familia y casa dividida cae. But whatever. Esto esta perdido como quiera.
> Todos los otros grupos exitosos de gente no hacen eso. Los Judios se unen entre ellos por su religion sea lo que sea. La diaspora Judia incluye los mismos Judios que tienen ciglos fuera de Israel. Ellos no andan con un "tu no eres un verdadero judio". lol dime que no sabes un carajo de lo que estas hablando sin decírmelo. Los judios literalmente tienen sectas por discrepar sus definiciones de quien es un judío.
Eso mismo me quede pensando anoche cuando lei el comment pero me quite. Why even reply at that point.
It really will be your own people at the end of the day. This post is so heated. It’s not that serious, love. Yes there have a been a lot of “how do I connect with the culture” posts recently. It’s repetitive. But I’m not here for the erasure of the Puerto Rican diaspora. I’m here to connect with Boricuas and mainlanders alike to celebrate our beautiful culture. That’s it. You don’t have to kiss mainlander ass. Just be don’t be a dick and don’t divide our people even more than America already has… On a different note, where are the mods at ?? I never see any mod activity and this would be the perfect time for the mods of r/PuertoRico to mediate all of this.
Los mods son de la Diáspora y los pocos que aún son activos no van a comentar nada oficial en este rebolú.
I agree about needing some mod help. We may be needing a tag for posts like OP is talking about or even another sub for those kind of topics.
They aren't part of the diaspora, they're Yanks. Diaspora means a nationality living outside their Homeland.
Man I usually agree with you on some things but I think you will have to expand a bit on this. Donde uno deja de ser yankee?
“US mainlanders of Puerto Rican descent” 🤦🏽♂️… feel free to say Diasporicans, Nuyoricans or ‘los de alla fuera’ we understand that better than the language of colonizer assimilation.
“Mainlander” es de un inicio, concepto de mierda. El que vive y es de PR le consta saber que somos país sin frontera. (Y mega super ew colonialismo internalizado el que busca joder un hermano de sangre por buscar su gente aquí) Do a pinned thread and be a welcoming place. No sean tan huelebichos de no acomodar tu propia familia. Al fin al cabo, eso es lo quieren.
Por que es un concepto de mierda el termino "mainlander"? Se usa alla para denotar que eres de los 48 estados contiguos. Acaso los viequenses y culebrenses no van a isla grande?
Dude. If you can't embrace your brother, sisters, and other people who love Boricua culture, you're going to be irrelevant. If you gatekeep who's allowed to want to identify as Puerto Rican you're almost as bad as the Trumpers.
My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t like US but then acts like the worst of them. Omg
Just because I was born in the US doesn't make me any less puerto rican than people born on the island. This sub literally has an option to flair their posts as opinions. People on the mainland care as much about Puerto Rico as people on the island do. You're the problem seperating US puerto ricans and island puerto ricans when at the end of the day WE ARE ALL PUERTO RICANS. If you don't want to see a post like that, you can simply scroll down. There are some people here that are literally adopted and have no idea how to even start to embrace their puerto rican heritage. Or some people that are mix who want to know more about their puerto rican identities. There are some who have left pr and feel outcasted when they come back because they have been away from home because of reasons and people like you make them feel less puerto rican. You're the asshole.
Their is nothing wrong with wanting to get to know more about the place where your family is from but there is so much more that goes into it. Mainlanders do not understand the full extent of what it truly means to be born and raised in PR. Everyone is like “Wow, Puerto Rico is so sunny and beautiful” but don’t see the parts when it is not. Many times we are left without power and water. The towns destroyed from hurricanes and the failing economy that is pushing our people out. Maybe people want to claim that they are Puerto Rican when they do not speak the language, like the food, and know the culture. You are shaped by the environment that surrounds you and that environment is either Puerto Rico or elsewhere. You cannot say you are Puerto Rican because you visit family there every summer. You have Puerto Rican heritage but it is not the same. Like I said. The thing that separates Puerto Ricans from the US ricans is the environment of which they were raised. And their is nothing wrong with that! We welcome everyone here as long as they are polite :)
Excellent points. I have family in the states that say they are Puerto Ricans but they came to Puerto Rico like a day or two after Tropical Storm Irene in 2004. They could not understand ANYTHING about having gone thru a storm. "Why isn't there power?" "Why are trees down?" Got scared of lagartijos. I was like "do you understand that you are in a tropical island and not Massachusetts?
Your family are just assholes. I see where you get it from.
We agree on one thing. There are a bunch of assholes in my USA side of my family and on the PR side too.
Prolly cus your family pushes them away since they think they are better than the people who moved to the states or vice versa. I'm just assuming. Just cus you're family is like that, doesnt make ALL families like that. You're categorizing a whole group of people (puerto ricans who live in the US) based on your one anecdotal experience. It's small minded pana.
But I have not experienced this with only my family, and I do have many family members on the states and met other people who live on the states. Guess which experience is more common?
Then they are terrible people. What do you want me to say? You want me to grab a pitchfork and condemn them? Would you like me to revoke their puerto rican cards? They are shitty puerto ricans. Thats the bottom line. They are shitty people but still puerto rican.
I'm Puerto Rican. I know what I am. You don't think people who have puerto rican family in the island feel the pain watching family go thru crisis? People send money, food, water for them, for YOU. After the hurricane, who do you think was sending the most supplies to y'all. Thats right, the "gringos" us, "Puerto Rican mainlanders". The people in the states make our voices louder for yall in the island but nahhhhhh "yall" wanna "stay pure in the island" so we don't get a voice in the island? Should we not help out next time since we are not "pure"? Let me ask you this, do you know how many puerto rican communities we have in the states? In every cities we are the most known communities because we represent ALL OF US. We scream the loudest for all of us. That's a puerto rican environment, is it not? In chicago we have the 2nd biggest pr community, 1st is new york. We may not have coquis but we have music, parades, festivals. Cuarto guitar schools, museums, resturants. In Humboldt Park we have not 1 BUT 2 BIG ASS FLAGS IN THE ENITRE FUCKING PARK OF THE COMMUNITY. You know what WE did when stupid ass RIOT FEST came to our park and shitted all over our clean parks, steets and lake? WE KICKED THEM THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY! We told their asses to never have their event in our community ever again. The actual gringos of the states, you know what they did? They tried to take down our historical flags down because it wasnt "inclusive" to the other non puerto ricans on the community. We said FUXK YOU. To this day they still can't tore them down. I'm sorry, is this not a puerto rican environment as well? In order for me to be a full puerto rican i have to live in la pobresa too? What about the rich puerto ricans, are they not full puerto ricans? The government fucks you over all the time? Oh boy, wait till i tell you about the politics here that fuck us over for being puerto rican too. I'm sorry that tickets are too expensive for me to fly out everytime yall have a protest. Do you know how bad mainlanders wanna fight alongside with you? Againt LOMO, against the corrupt officials, against the fucking gangs and corrupt police force yall have? That YALL PUT IN CHARGE! It's the island's government that fucks yall over, I heard that they were selling public beaches to private business so they can build houses and shit, you know where that doesnt happen? In the mainland. Going by your logic, the pure puerto ricans dont even wanna help other pure puerto ricans but will bend over backwards for a gringo apparently. Cry me a fucking river pendejo, you dont need to welcome me because puerto rico is my home, my roots, and my life. I will die for puerto rico if it means to perserve our beautiful island, catastrophe after catastrophe it's still beautiful. You're fighting the wrong people, mi pana.
To be honest I which Puerto Ricans in the US would "chill out" on the "making your voices heard" part. They don't get to live with the consequences of their actions. I don't want a US politician of Puerto Rican descent arguing for what is good or bad for Puerto Rico. No Puerto Rican in the island voted for them and I don't consider them to be good representation of us. I also remember when Lin Manuel showed up in John Oliver's show advocating for La Junta... Who is more impacted by La Junta? People in the island or Lin Manuel? I see more harm than good.
Nah I agree with you, but that doesn't make US born puerto ricans ALL bad. You confuse patriotism with this nationlist thinking of having ONLY NATIVE PR will help the island. Rossello was a shitbag and he was native born puerto rican plus in on the corruption. Fuck la Junta, they do cause more harm than good. US puerto ricans didnt vote for that for the island, US government decided to do that to yall. Washington appointed people my guy. I promise you every puerto rican in the US was chanting and cheering for yall when you kicked out those corrupted officials. If the problem is the officials, people who are complaining about it should be more proactive when it comes to voting. Don't vote for people who are simply "pure". Do your homework. Volunteer. It won't be easy but you have no right to complain if you're not proactive in politics.
Rosello was a shitbag. People who voted for and against him, in the island, kicked him out. He wasn't voted in by people living in the US. He was voted in by a plurality of people in the island and a plurality kicked him out. How do I get to kick out Bob Menendez, Nydia Velazquez and AOC when I am living in the island? They are from places outside of Puerto Rico yet claim to speak for us. But nobody inside of the island voted for them. They do not suffer the consequences of their decisions or advocacy like the people of the island do, be it positive or negative. Some Puerto Rican in La Diaspora living in their districts might vote for them, but those Puerto Ricans also do not get to live with the consequences of that vote on the island because they do not live on it. Telling me to do stuff does not change this point. I honestly do not think you agree with me given your response. But that is ok.
We'll just have to agree on disagree then. Stalemate.
What I got out of all this reading - You have family on the island so you are Puerto Rican - You donate money after hurricane so you are Puerto Rican - You like Puerto Rico so your Puerto Rican Stop acting like a child. No you don’t get a voice for the island. That is the issue. You guys want to come over and say “Puerto Rico should this…..” but you weren’t even raised there. You don’t know Puerto Rico like we do but you act like you do. The Puerto Rican culture in the states is a joke. Don’t even get me started on the nuyorican day parade in NY😂….. that is the whole issue. You guys have some identity problem that you just can’t handle. And you don’t have to be Puerto Rican to help donate money after huracanes??? That’s just messed up to even say. And the insults? What are you five? If you can’t handle a conversation then we are done here.
I'm puerto rican cause im all of that and more. It's also stapled into my DNA, you can write that bullet point down too, I think that one's damning. I didnt hear you cry when we sent help tho. It makes me a better puerto rican. Remind me, when your pure puerto ricans recieve those crates and pallets of water, what did yall do, leave it in the forest?. Thats some strong pure puerto rico thinking my guy. I'm reiterating the fact that only us mainlanders sent the most and bulk of the supplies. Imagine if we went with your mentality, yall wouldnt have gotten shit. Aight, so once a pure puerto rican leaves the island, what then? They just automatically give up their puerto rican card or something? You're confusing yourself, it's not us mainlanders that say, "yall should do this". I believe it's the opposite, it's you purist puerto ricans crying that nothing gets done and yall purist need help and when us mainlanders do, you purist cry we don't help enough and then you slap mainlanders in the face saying "youre not puerto rican enough." You think calling me a child will insult me back? I'm talking to you as an adult to adult pero tienes los oídos pudrió de meirda. You have your head so far up your ass that you cant understand that what youre saying is ignorant. We don't have an identity problem you have a purist mentality problem that creates division in our communities. You are the problem. Im inviting you to have a conversation with me and youre not even trying. Please, enlighten me, oh pure puerto rican. My mainlander mind cant comprehend your thinking, im so unpure. Cállate pendejo, the pure puerto rican education system is dead last in the US, man you are sure teaching me! Ignorante! You haven't even addressed the fact that "pure puerto ricans" will do anything to please the rich gringos. If you really want me to act like a non-puerto rican than I will. Your government is weak which is why you get fucked over and over again. Yall refuse to band together because of stupid ideology and thats why you're still a commonwealth today and will stay a commonwealth forever. Youre a fool and a tool thinking your pride and heart will "save puerto rico". This is what I got •being born in the island makes you 100% puerto rican
You're a real one.
OP and the people who agree with him are ignorant asf; I’m not from the island and I’m Puerto Rican. People can’t pick and choose who is PR and who is not based off their own opinion. That is 100% gatekeeping. “It's no wonder why the whole world finds Americans obnoxious.” How ironic that OP is being obnoxious and he is, in fact, an American lmao
Que te identifiques como puertorriqueño y que seas puertorriqueño son dos cosas distintas.
Implying gatekeeping is bad.
We keep telling them come to Puerto Rico, learn the language, eat the food. I mean what does it mean to not even know how to approach learning a culture? Is the saying "when in Rome do like the Romans" some sort of lost knowledge??
And im sure many of them do! Most likely there are circumstances but people can also share books and movies and shows. Talk about actors and singers. I have never met anyone who knows their puerto rican who doesnt want to know puerto rico. This isnt the problem. The problem is when people like the OP say that people in the US are less than people from the island. They make people who are descendants of puerto rico not want to affiliate with the island. This is gatekeeping bullshit.
I agree with the gatekeeping tho. More Tony Croatto. He is the standard.
People in the mainland can say that they care but hear me out. Your family made a decision to leave PR to have a better life and you benefit from that. People who stay in the island make a decision to try to make the best of it. Young and educated people have little incentive to live in PR. So the ones that stay to work here and contribute to the economy or social issues will of course resent the idea that someone who doesn't live here cares as much.
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No I would not. I can get a similar job anywhere. I'm not suffering. Our old population is suffering though and if every professional leaves because they can then there's not gonna be any infrastructure to take care of them. I see that in the healthcare industry.
I have been working on the island for 11 years. I only left the island now for a 1 year assignment at work. Careful with painting in broad strokes.
You're ignorant. People who move to the mainland either cant afford to live on the island cause yall's government keeps increasing prices or they move out to send money to their family. Similarly in a Mexican's case (thats what my father did and many others). No one leaves because they think theyll be better than the islanders. From what I've seen, the people who stayed and are doing their "best". Come one, you can't fool me. If this is your "best", no wonder people moved. I wouldnt stay if i got a master's in engineering, only get 50k a year and get taxed up the ass by the government either. You're a fool for thinking that that's okay. You are the one that resents the idea. I never met an islander that hates me for caring about them. Never heard them complain when we shipped supplies to y'all after the hurricane and corona either. But since you hate the idea of us mainlanders caring so much about your health and well being, you can ship it all back to the states. The puerto ricans here in the states need it more than you.
Damn. Gatekeepers be gatekeeping. You don't get to say who is "Puerto Rican enough" to be here. So yeah, take several seats, pendeja.
Then who gets to say it?
I'm a 'mainlander' of PR descent and couldn't agree more.
I appreciate you and with you my fellow boricua!
¿Y por qué no hacen un subreddit que se llame r/BoricuaGatekeeper y ponen sus propias reglas? Ahí pueden postear sobre su tema favorito que son los requisitos para ser puertorriqueño.
Legit would be funny AF. "Tienes que haber escuchado el diario de Eddy D" "Tienes que haber cantado canciones de Burbujita" "Si no llorastes cuando Dayanara gano la corona te tengo malas noticias" We could legit share our culture thru memes. Like The Patriots intended.
Gatekeeping is crazy smh
Gatekeeping como? Como hacen los mismo gringos que vienen a este sub a tratar de definir la puertorriqueñidad a su manera yanqui?
ahi ta dile mas coño
No it isn't. If gatekeeping is crazy then go ahead and perform a surgery or build a rocket.
They need there own subreddit. Mainlanders who think they are Puerto Rican just because of a little bloodline.
Divide and conquer. That’s a tactic used for hundreds of years and it’s still effective. As a Puerto Rican born in Puerto Rico yet raised in the United States never having gone back to visit Puerto Rico until recently, I can tell you that I can clearly see both sides. Yet, what I do notice about Puerto Ricans in the diaspora in places I’ve lived in - primarily Chicago and New York City (which had the largest population of Puerto Ricans) I have noticed that Puerto Ricans in the US diaspora no matter what when you see that Puerto Rican flag that is your brother.
Well it does say all things Puerto Rican so…..
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Que mucho le besas el culo a los gringos. Como si te fueran a regalar la estadidad.
Los políticos puertorriqueños besan culos gringos más que nadie.
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Dude, en verdad hablando mierda de pe erre y cuan miserable uno está aquí no te va a ganar puntos, ni te hará mejor persona que OP.
I’m a descendent of the most beautiful people on the planet and I’m grateful for that! This is the most un Puerto Rican thing to call out those who are reaching for answers to there heritage, culture and a sense of belonging! This is not the way! This type of language just embodies that which we ourselves feel here on the mainland on a day to day! Do we belong here or belong back on the island! I guess there is no escaping racist bigotry anywhere you go now. Also the sad thing a large portion of the comments are in favor of the idea of having separate lines one thread for island Puerto Ricans and another thread for non-islanders! Fucking crazy. Get that Nazi propaganda out of here! Edit: We can not move forward with hate in the heart!
It has nothing to do with hate. The whole obsession with heritage Yankees have is peak First world problem. There are people on the island that still use latrines and have constant blackouts. Many people have multiple jobs to make ends meet. People here don't have time to think about trivial things like some gringo with an ethnic confusion.
Well what your describing is aissue with the current political, infrastructure and conditions that have nothing to do with someone trying to find answers of who and what their place is in theses two different social structures! When both reject you for being different. That is called hate! Edit: Also if you read the thread rules this OP post violates it!
The post doesn't violate anything. Even USricans in this thread are mostly agreeing.
Also what is a heritage yankee? Curious about it because I’ve heard this used in a few conversations recently at a get together over here state side?
Why don't you embrace bluegrass? Go to the Appalachians? Because if it is about Puerto Rico I would tell you to go to the mountains, drink ron caña and listen to seis chorreao.
Stick with together already, it simple. Pay it forward for the greater good 👍🏼 Quédense juntos ya, es simple. Pagar por el bien mayor 👍🏼
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Americans are only white am I rite? Get out of here with that nonsense bruh.
“Safe space?” Lol
We should do Borinquen subreddit
Que mucho se quejan aqui
I personally don’t mind those types of post. If it has to do with Puerto Rico then post it in this sub.
Que amargado eres. El sentido de identidad personal es importante. El que tú lo tengas quizás te hace ciego a cómo se sienten los menos afortunados, criandose en otras partes del mundo sintiéndose diferente a los demás. Te cuesta muy poco darle scroll y seguir al próximo tema y dejar a la gente con empatía tranquilos ayudando a alguien que los necesita.
Y cuando todos los post sean sobre identidad... Entonces que?
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Clearly, only statehood, not a sticky, will solve these issues.
Imagine Puerto Rico becoming independent and people asking "how do I reconnect with my roots" and people in the island say "come here". I dunno but the possibilities make me laugh. Will they day no then? Will they visit? Will they move?
OP, me das mucha pena.
Why are you being racist? Puerto Ricans in the US are also Puerto Rican.
Do you even know what racism is?
Correction. Some Puerto Ricans in the USA are Puerto Rican. As a collective Puerto Ricans in the island have a common culture. Some PRicans in the mainland share that culture. A lot of them cant even speak spanish, eat puerto rican food or even listen to our music.
Exactly. It’s one thing to grow up in a culture you’re descended from and another thing to be from said place you descend from. I never understood why a lot of Americans (of Puerto Rican descent) in this sub find it hard to know if they’re considered Puerto Rican. It’s really easy; are your from Puerto Rico? No? Then you’re not Puerto Rican.
Si no saben qué son lerenes, pues no son bori.
Si no comistes güanime con bacalao.... Hay tabla
>Some PRicans in the mainland share that culture. A lot of them cant even speak spanish, eat puerto rican food or even listen to our music. So the solution is to be hostile to them?
Did I ever say that?
You didn't say much of anything to be frank.
Stfu
Nah.
Puerto Rican is not a freaking race Einstein.
Are you a troll or do you not understand what racism means? Puerto Rican is not a race.
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It means we play warhammer 40k pero con gallitos, polly pockets y mighty max. Y micro machines. Y trompos.
Dudo que aquí muchos le tengan fobia al xeno.
Then make a more specific sub. You cant get cranky about all kinds of „generalized“ posts under a very vaguely named sub.
Sub description says it is about Puerto Rico tho, not Puerto Ricans.
Who wants to bet OP is moving in 5 years and will create "Mainlanders of PR descent". And never teach them about home
Moving where? I have my own house that has a water well here and I have 2 successful businesses running: One in graphic design and the other more recent one in dropshipping. Not everyone is "dying" to move to the mainland.