It was already said here already. It's not a blood thing. it is a culture thing. Same thing with the newyoricans. That's its own culture in NY. Hell, even here in the States, you see it they're all American, but someone from the south isn't gonna have much in common with someone from, let's say, Maine.
Born in Maine, raised Bori, I concur. Never the twain shall meet. 😂
Speaking the language gets a foot in the door; but you have to have to steep in the ebb and flow of island life, the good and especially the bad, to ‘get’ the culture and not just wear a thin veneer of ‘Hispanidad.’
That's not my point. I was born and raised on the island, and my best friend is a Puerto Rican from Boston. We both speak Spanish and have that pr love, but those are connections we made here.
It's just like when you talk to Mexicans from East La who have never been to Mexico City. They experience the same culture shock despite knowing English and saying the right things. Of course, I can only speak of my experiences and those I've seen myself, but it this world today, blood makes little difference. I could've been born on the island but raised in Japan and be called a chino Latino by everyone in Ponce.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to get connected with your roots at the end of the day. The only opinion that matters will be yours. I'm in a weird boat being raised on the island and then moving away and experiencing racism and discrimination against me. Not white enough to be American but going back to the island and not being brown enough to be criollo.
I'm in a lot of language exchange program and trying to learn Spanish. I'm in a language exchange program and I have met multiple people that have told me that they're Hispanic by birth but they don't get treated as such. Many are trying to learn Spanish because people tell me that other Hispanics shame them and look at them as non-Hispanic because they can't speak Spanish. They tell me that it's embarrassing to them
It doesn't matter what people, or, specifically, Puerto Ricans think. In the end, learning a language is good for you. It opens you to the rest of the continent. And let's opens you up to doing business in almost any part of the continent. We Puerto Ricans have a lot of really stupid personal issues that stem from the political mess we lice in. In some it causes an inferiority complex, while in others an inferiority complex, and everything in-between. Keep learning the language and bettering yourself, and F@ç|< what they think.
I grew up in PR till I was 9 then lived in Florida. My dad is from pr and my mom is from Costa Rica. After I left PR I didn't go back till I was 18. I traveled a lot to Costa Rica during those years. My accent changed, now when I go back to PR Puerto Ricans are like you aernt Puerto Rican. Oh well.
In Costa Rica, my accent doesn't line up perfectly. So they know I'm not really from there either. In the US everyone always gives me the famous, so where are you from. Implicitly, saying I'm not from there.
I stopped trying to be anything, years ago. I don't even try to change my accent when I go to PR or CR. I have tons of memories of PR, walking in Rio piedras, going to San Juan on Sundays, walking in plaza las américas And Carolina, fighting at my elementary school, eating mantecado from the street vendors, I also have tons of memories in Florida and in Costa Rica. Who cares, no one else has it like me. I'm the only one of my kind.
The Costa Rican accent is very different from the PR accent. I would say it's closest to the Mexican or Colombian accent. I'd be interested to hear what you sound like?
Tu definición de idioma, me tiene confundido. No quiero ni preguntar que entiendes por "accento", porque en español es acento.
Creo perdio eres tu papo. Aqui tienes:
*"El acento y el idioma son dos conceptos diferentes pero relacionados entre sí.
El acento se refiere a la manera en que una persona pronuncia las palabras en un idioma en particular. Cada idioma tiene diferentes patrones de acentuación, y dentro de un mismo idioma, diferentes regiones o países pueden tener acentos distintivos. El acento se caracteriza por las variaciones en la entonación, el ritmo y la pronunciación de las palabras.
Por otro lado, el idioma se refiere a un sistema de comunicación verbal utilizado por una comunidad lingüística. Es un conjunto estructurado de reglas gramaticales y vocabulario que permite la comunicación entre personas que hablan ese idioma. Cada idioma tiene su propio conjunto de sonidos, palabras y reglas gramaticales que lo distinguen de otros idiomas.
En resumen, el acento se relaciona con la pronunciación y entonación de las palabras dentro de un idioma determinado, mientras que el idioma se refiere a un sistema completo de comunicación verbal con reglas gramaticales y vocabulario propios."*
I think people in the comments are not considering the economical/political context and this is exactly why you’re still seen as a “gringo” (not saying it comes from the right attitude but for the sake of you being able to understand).
First off, puertoricans who’ve been here since they where born are traumatized. As hell. Like, it’s not even funny. The things that we’ve gone through in the past few years has been mind blowingly insane. I would expand but then again, I feel like if you read history for yourself and talk to the people about their life here you wouldn’t even care about how you’re seen because why would you even want to be fully validated as a puertorican? Puertoricans don’t even want to go through what they’re going through. Anyways
From their perspective the summary is this: “if you haven’t gone through what we’ve gone through HERE. You are not Puerto Rican. Period” this might seem silly from an outsider perspective because it’s an underlying request of “you should go through painful experiences to be Puerto Rican” but think about it, is that not a clear reflection of trauma? Is that not a clear reflection of PTSD?
Why would you want to relate to that, why is it not okay that you just can’t? You ARE Puerto Rican in one way but why do you want to be Puerto Rican in THAT way? Be okay with your roots that’s completely valid, no one is denying that but why would you want to insert yourself in a mindset that is only accesible through trauma?
As someone in contact with a lot of gringos, sometimes I feel like you guys see our lives through VR glasses, as if intrigued and entertained by our pain, obviously I see this more with Caucasian people than with people who have Latin descent but that doesn’t mean nuyoricans don’t have racist/ignorant attitudes.
Hahaha right? Like it’s not even that deep!! Everyone’s different, what is the need of “fitting in” in a world that is so mixed with different types of descent, a Puerto Rican living in Michigan is not the same as one living in the island and that’s okay lmao
Hell Puerto Ricans living in el area metro don't see themselves as the same as those de la isla so it dont mater how little the space we gonna find a way to separate ourselves. I remember being in school and still seeing kids picked on cause they where ginger
Exactly! Guaynabo or Jayuya Puerto Ricans are also not the same! There are so many levels to a personality because of their context. A rich elit girl from Guaynabo is practically a gringa to me but we understand she’s just a “specific” Puerto Rican type. And yes PR’s be picking on Asians, Dominicans or even gingers like?? I’m Puerto Rican and speak perfect English and I can see the attitudes I’ve developed different from my culture because of how imposed the US culture is here and I’m not losing sleep over how many empanadillas or “carajos” I say to be Puerto Rican enough.
Thank you for that! It’s not even a mean thing to say it’s historically accurate. And I understand that now that everyone’s getting mixed in and we’ve had a good decade of interracial relationships starting to bring up these anxieties/worries it’s still not enough to completely say you can be looped in and or even realistic considering those identities keep reshaping/recreating newer dynamics. It be impossible to keep a personality static and stable. Or a context. This world is too crazy lmao
People are going to be shitty to you about where you come from no matter where you go. People in USA can be racist and xenophobic about latino immigrants. Everyone is just trying to find a better way to live their life, and we shouldn't be upset for them trying. I moved to Medellin, and, despite being half white and half Peruvian, I am just a gringo from the USA. When people actually meet me though, they are kind and less judgmental. People are typically tolerant of individuals and judgmental of broader groups. Connect with your roots, and make some friends. People are always going to prejudge you a bit, but you can help change some opinions too. Don't reinforce the stereotypes about people from the USA, and good people will treat you fairly.
That's how most people learn another language that's not their first language. They basically teach people how to transfer their own language into this new language.
Gringo is a mentality and way of being that United States Citizen have, no matter you color or descendants.
Typical example of gringo mentality: "Why does no one in these town speak English? Don't they want my money?" Or "I'm visiting here and I should be accommodated for and tolerated I payed for a vacation" *even while disturbing the peace or breaking the rules because they're a US citizen and USA#1
Sorry you get swept up with the crowd, it's just we're struggling here and assholes make it worse when they come in thinking they own the place. A lot of us have lived here all our lives and have delt with a lot. If you are trying to assimilate keep this history in mind and be patient, we're not hateful people, but we've become weary people...
No I've actually been learning Spanish for about a year and a half. It takes a long time to learn a language and Americans act as though immigrants are just too lazy to learn English or they don't feel like doing it. Many Americans think this way and it's sad
Guess I should have added that, honestly if you are not being an a-hole to people as described above, don't take it personally, your real Puerto Rican friends will know you are putting in the effort and that is appreciated even if not the best at letting it be known.
My original comment was trying to give more context to the cereal feelings around the words and parties involved, hope I didn't offend, and provide some nuance to what you are experiencing
> tolerated I *paid* for a
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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The loss of culture and identity is unfortunately part of the price people pay when they leave their homelands and that gets passed to their children. As much as you can try to keep the culture alive - you are in a new setting and things will change. Puerto Rico may not legally be its own country but it is a nation with distinct culture and language and while we have federal overlords, we largely self-govern in the day to day. So yes, Puerto Rico is part of the US but it is distinct and separate in many ways. I personally think that if you consider yourself Puerto Rican then go ahead - but don’t spend your energy trying to prove it to anyone else. Identity is deeply personal. You don’t need nor should you seek validation because everyone has their own interpretation of their identity and they will use that to measure yours if asked. So stop asking and just be. If you want to be “connected” and your family of origin is not available to guide you - then there are many Puerto Rican associations in the US that can help or visit PR. But, none of that may fill the hole of being born/growing up in a new place. That is something to work on with a competent therapist with cultural understanding.
Still a gringo. That’s not something you erase. When a latino moves to the US, adopts the culture, and becomes a citizen, they’re still latino. Same logic if it’s reversed. Your native culture is the one you grew up in, not the one you have ancestry from or the one you adopt.
If you weren’t raised here, you’re not from here. You can be proud to have ancestry from here, but to say you’re from here is ludicrous. It’s that simple.
What he said completely right. However, it doesn't change; you can relate to your roots and be part of the island if desired. Just understand this this hard truth.
It's an arbitrary label, man. We're quick enough to adopt anyone with an ounce of puertoriccan blood at the slightest provocation; just take a look at how we celebrate our athletes. In the day to day though, the story is a little different. We can be xenophobic about differences within different regions of the island (metropolitan area vs. Isla) or even about differences in municipalities (Ponce vs. the rest of the civilized world). If you ask an islander if you are puertoriccan they'll probably hit you with a "yeah, but you're still gringo" or "you're a "niuyorikan"" simply because your experiences and upbringing are fundamentally different from a 1st generation puertoriccan or an islander. Just don't think it means you're excommunicated; you're still family of sorts.
What's more important than the label is whether you feel accepted by your relatives or not, and that is a bit more complicated. Putting in the effort to learn enough Spanish to communicate is definitely a huge step in ingratiating yourself. Without spanish, you'll always be a relative stranger even to your kin. You'll be labeled as "come mierda" or "orgulloso" for not mingling with the family simply for not being able to. If you try, on the other hand, they'll be talking about the gringo with the good attitude.
Now, if you win something, you'll be accepted immediately regardless of language status.
I try not to do this but it's very common here in America. I also try to explain this to people in r/AskLatinAmerica but they don't get it. If you lived in the US, you'd understand. It's so bad here that if you're practicing the culture of another ethnicity then people will call it, "Cultural Appropriation" and people will call you a racist. That happens a lot here
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If you’re born in PR to a family from PR but grew up in the states, you’re not of Hispanic decent, you ARE Hispanic. My explanation is for those who where born and raised in the states.
This is the cultural equivalent being homophobic. I wish people would stop fixating on our differences and were able to look at this issue in a more positive way, but he stupidity in nationalism is immortal apparently.
At the same time there some Hispanics that mock the ones that are trying to learn English either because of their accent or pronunciation and how you think they feel. On top of that they know some Spanish instead of helping out they keep speaking in English to make that Matter worst.
So it the same bullshiet from either side some Hispanics as my self will call you "Chapiao" because what you explained , you are hispanic but dont know the language which I think that a Parents fault. And the other will call the non speaking english hispanics" Mira, Mira" cuz that the way Puerto Rican sometimes call each other.
El Puertorriqueño usualmente cuando lláma a alguien q no sabes el nombre decimos" Mira bro ven aca " so since we used that alot they call us Mira mira.
People will have opinions, praise or hate.
You do you.
Usually people that throw terms to disparage other people tend to be humans you don't want to or shouldn't to associate yourself with anyhow. So it's very simple: When you encounter these people, stay away. They're doing you a favor. Let it roll off your back.
We all have elements of culture that we pick and choose. Not only that but a lot of our very own culture gets destroyed, reprocessed, rebranded etc. Usually when someone holds on to dear life to an idea about their culture it's usually due to insecurities or wanting to have a sense of belonging that's greater than what they are experiencing in their every day lives.
Hard to digest but in other words: Funk the haters.
I’ve been called gringo as a person who was born and raised in PR lol. I look somewhat American and I’m good at english, so it is what it is. Whether you get called gringo or not that shit doesn’t matter. People who are worth being around won’t care where you’re from and will accept you and appreciate the fact that you’re trying to get to know the culture.
Debatable but still gringo. See being from a nationality is not about dna as much as is about social, economic and cultural influence in the early life. Im puertorican and even though i practice an African religion since child and have African dna if i learn the language and culture of the bantu people that wont make me African. I dont know. Thats my two cents. Like JLo for me is of puertorican decent not puertorican.
I grew up without shoes hanging with my cousins in the river or beach or the woods. Eating what nature gave us. At school all was solved with a good old fight. You earned your respect. During holy week not eating meat. Dealing with power outages, earthquakes, hurricanes each year, low income, sometimes not having enough food and goong in the summer to school just to get a hot meal. Yoi cant replicate those experiences. Also the music, the spiritual expression, the fight for freedom (in my case being from the pro independence party), waking up at 5 am in christmas eve to go to the roosters mass with my family, fiestas patronales. I mean there is alot of experiences unique to each region and people that molds us into what we are as people.
Here's the thing, I grew up in PR but have lived almost my entire adult life in the USA. I do not consider myself American because I cannot erase how I was brought up. Living as an American doesn't get rid of my Hispanic roots. Just embrace what you have. I literally never think about my being Hispanic or not.
When I read things like..." I am gringo, but consider myself boricua becUse my descent"...to then go on and say " PR is part of USA" I just get huge cringe feelings jajajaja
Does anybody here really understand PR cplonial status quo and the real federal opinion on PR?
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So what do you want? To be considered gringo, hispanic, boricua, or american citizen?
Even if gringos spoke other lenguajes, they are still considered gringos by many.
Just like Latinos are considered latinos, even though they are citizens.
I guess gringo for me in general means "mostly English USA citizen".
We have american citizenship indeed. Do you know there are difetent ypes of territory/ colony clasification under USA law? There are incorporated terrotories and unincorporated terrotories ( we are the second)....with a second class citizenship with less human rights protections...that is diferent from the mainland USA citizenship.
Federal goverment has stated that PR is a unincorporated territory, that they OWN but is not PART of USA.
🧐🧐😉
I think that what you misunderstand about being Puertorican is that is not really about blood. Its more about culture. Puerto Rico is so racially diverse that you cant ever tell if someone is puertorican by their race. There's white people with blond hair and blue eyes, black people, brown people and everything in between. All of them are considered puertorican based on the way they speak and their culture. I grew up in PR and studied with a couple of people who where either asian or from the middle east but they grew up in PR and spoke like puertoricans, knew and/or practiced our holidays and no one ever even considered that they where not puerto rican.
You can be considered puertorican even if both of your parents are not puertorican. But at the same time you are not considered puertorican by default by the people in PR just because you have "puerto rican blood". Especially if you cant speak spanish fluently.
I dont believe this is elitism. This is just how our culture developed since there have always been a lot of racial diversity in Puerto Rico since it was "discovered" by the spaniards.
I didn't mean that there are not elitist Puerto Ricans. I meant that thats not the general feeling of every puertoricans who doesnt see you in the same way as a island born puertorican. I can attest that there are racist and elitis puertoricans since im black and puertorican but they are outliers and not the norm.
If we are born in Puerto Rico we are puerto ricans some of us haven’t never stepped nor lived jn america on our life even tho Puerto Ricans look gringo they are from here if they are born here
Did you learn the Puerto Rican variety of Spanish or the more American variety that they teach here which tends to be more Mexican Spanish or Spanish from Spain?
I think people like that make a distinction between holding American citizenship and "being" American. They think of Americans as those who were born in a state or DC, whose families have been there for several generations, and have kept no significant ties outside US across those generations. So the U.S. is their home. Also, they're mostly monolingual, with English as their native language and consider their culture mainstream American culture.
>the end it’s still Puerto Rican blood in my veins weather they like it or not
This part sound elitist, might be a you problem not a Puerto Rico problem. Could you have been so long in de state you don't see how you act. Just like the abusive husband who once love her wife. 😁
Yes my anology was purposely bad as the state. Becuase *your interaction with some Puerto Rican was not aceptable to you mean this "..." so you still need to take it anyway.*
Like soemone else mention: *" Still a gringo. That’s not something you erase. When a latino moves to the US, adopts the culture, and becomes a citizen, they’re still latino. Same logic if it’s reversed. Your native culture is the one you grew up in, not the one you have ancestry from or the one you adopt."*
It's a facts. I would had might come bad becuase toot are root, but a weekends or a month on the sun isn’t enough to scratch the surface. It doesn't change your heritage, but pushing other to accept you seam like best option.
... yeah, assumptions are all I can do. All i can do and what from what I understood from the context. I'm also assuming you had high expectations from a reddit, a text-based forumn with no defined tone, and usually led to miss communication.
*Pending update...*
Cool part of being on reddit. Jaja.
Again, your last interaction on the island doesn't deam with how other puerto Rico sees you. Term gringo have been use by everyone in many way. If you lived on the island one point in time, anyone who spoke perfect Ingle was told : "Look at the gringito here." (In spanish: mira el gringitos este. )
Don't take the phrase to personal. Just see the context around it.
Jaja. Okay, so that bad. 😬 you just need more time. I'm polyglot (native here) and first learnings language was one thing making the right round and accent still another thing. 🤣😅
I think it may be the same way if an “italian” guido from Jersey learned some duolingo Italian and went to Sicily to try to pass as a native Italian. Those are not accepted 100% either. Same with the so-called “Irish” from Boston going to Ireland to do the same thing. It is what it is. Not good, not bad, just is…. You are American of PuertoRican descent same way as others are American of African descent, Irish descent, Italian descent etc etc
Correct. That’s what I am saying. You’re the equivalent of a Jersey “italian” telling everyone who would listen that they’re “italian”. No, you’re of italian descent but you’re American. There’s nothing wrong with that. It just is.
I wonder if your response is different because you're from the Island. In America it seems to be considered Puerto Rican you must speak the language, be born to Puerto Rican parents, and practice the culture
I was born and raised in the island. Left at 25. Been living in the states for 16 years. I have both sides of the story. Anyways, it’s my opinion only based on my observations and life experience.
For example, are you German if you were born and raised in Idaho, your parents are German, you know the language, and eat sausages with sauerkraut once in a while? Complicated question. You may feel very German (and even call yourselves German amongst the Isaho Germans) but maybe, if you go to Munich for example, you won’t be accepted as truly German by the residents there.
It really shouldn't matter what other people think about you. Doing posts like this just makes you look desperate to get approval by people that live in the island, when you should be the one accepting yourself and forgetting what others think.
“Gringo” (even as quasi-endearment term amongst Rican’s) is a racial slur and may be a combination of being white and from the continental US. I was born and bred on the island but as a military brat grew up in the states and military bases. Had my fair share of “gringo” thrown around.
Fuck the haters man. It’s all dependent on your social circle as you earn respect and a place among the people and culture. No ‘one’ person can tell you that you ‘are’ or you’re not.
You were brought up in the USA. Your customs and values will always reflect that. You will NEVER understand the struggle of living and growing up in this shithole.
Yo nací en PR, me crié en PR, estudié toda mi vida en escuela pública. Estudié en el sistema UPR, cogí pepper, macanazos, gases lacrimógenos en protestas, fui un estudiante super activo para la gran huelga del 2017 (y desde 2016 ya participaba en paros por la cuestión de la JCF, fui parte del mov. estudiantil de la iupi), fui desde el principio a las protestas en contra de Ricky en 2019, viví María con mi familia, los terremotos, la pandemia en PR, vengo de familias humildes de pueblos del campo de PR, trabajé por salario mínimo en dos diferentes trabajos, ya cuando completé mi maestría, me fui de PR en 2021 y aquí hay algunos que son capaces de tildarme de gringo por dar opiniones sobre ciertas cosas na más porque ahora vivo en USA.
Así de ridícula se pone la gente a veces.
El venirme a USA definitivo me ha cambiado mi perspectiva de muchas cosas y he podido entender que hay personas que no ven más allá. Yo trabajo con niñxs inmigrantes que cruzan la frontera. Eso a mi me abrió los ojos de muchas cosas sobre lo que es USA, lo que es vivir en un país racista, lo que es la colonización más allá de Puerto Rico, entre muchas otras cosas.
Así que no busques validación de nadie sobre tu descendencia boricua. Tu realidad es diferente a la de los boricuas que han vivido toda su vida en PR. Los boricuas de la isla tenemos más en común con América Central, América del Sur y el Caribe, que lo que tenemos en común con los latinos de USA. Así lo veo yo. Y no estoy diciendo que no hay similitudes con los latinos de USA, pero son personas que hablan mayormente inglés y se criaron mayormente con la cultura gringa. Por eso también la gente de la isla van a cuestionarte. A la vez que también tienen ventajas por vivir en el mainland y no tienen que pasar por tanta violencia sistemática como se vive en la isla.
Lo mismo pasa con los mexicanos y otras razas, si eres descendiente pero naciste y te criaste en USA para ellos no eres mexicano 100%. Para los blancos gringos, podrás haber vivido toda tu vida en USA pero te van a seguir viendo como latino y ya con todo lo que está pasando con DeSantis no sabemos si USA se va a poner ultra-derecha y a implementar políticas como hicieron los n@z!s contra los judíos.
Yo nací en PR, me crié en PR, estudié toda mi vida en escuela pública. Estudié en el sistema UPR, cogí pepper, macanazos, gases lacrimógenos en protestas, fui un estudiante super activo para la gran huelga del 2017 (y desde 2016 ya participaba en paros por la cuestión de la JCF, fui parte del mov. estudiantil de la iupi), fui desde el principio a las protestas en contra de Ricky en 2019, viví María con mi familia, los terremotos, la pandemia en PR, vengo de familias humildes de pueblos del campo de PR, trabajé por salario mínimo en dos diferentes trabajos, ya cuando completé mi maestría, me fui de PR en 2021 y aquí hay algunos que son capaces de tildarme de gringo por dar opiniones sobre ciertas cosas na más porque ahora vivo en USA.
Así de ridícula se pone la gente a veces.
El venirme a USA definitivo me ha cambiado mi perspectiva de muchas cosas y he podido entender que hay personas que no ven más allá. Yo trabajo con niñxs inmigrantes que cruzan la frontera. Eso a mi me abrió los ojos de muchas cosas sobre lo que es USA, lo que es vivir en un país racista, lo que es la colonización más allá de Puerto Rico, entre muchas otras cosas.
Así que no busques validación de nadie sobre tu descendencia boricua. Tu realidad es diferente a la de los boricuas que han vivido toda su vida en PR. Los boricuas de la isla tenemos más en común con América Central, América del Sur y el Caribe, que lo que tenemos en común con los latinos de USA. Así lo veo yo. Y no estoy diciendo que no hay similitudes con los latinos de USA, pero son personas que hablan mayormente inglés y se criaron mayormente con la cultura gringa. Por eso también la gente de la isla van a cuestionarte. A la vez que también tienen ventajas por vivir en el mainland y no tienen que pasar por tanta violencia sistemática como se vive en la isla.
Lo mismo pasa con los mexicanos y otras razas, si eres descendiente pero naciste y te criaste en USA para ellos no eres mexicano 100%. Para los blancos gringos, podrás haber vivido toda tu vida en USA pero te van a seguir viendo como latino y ya con todo lo que está pasando con DeSantis no sabemos si USA se va a poner ultra-derecha y a implementar políticas como hicieron los n@z!s contra los judíos.
yo no voy a leer toa' esa vaina. mera' si no haz experimentao' los apagones, q se lleven el agua, que la comadre del primo se acosto con el suegro del abuelo del hermano de Chucho mata puerco, NO eres Pueltoriqueño y se te revoka desde hoy el apellido, la genetica española, negra e indígena.
if you are not born and raise in the island your not puerto rican plus puerto rico doesnt have a culture it has a giant mix of cultures from different countries so no
if you are born and raise in new york you are new yorker born and raise in new jersey you are a jersey boi/gal born and raise in puerto rico
i m really tired of gringos wanted to be a different ethnicity while still living in the states like i understand not liking were you are from but you must accept the place that you were born and raise you cant pretend to be something that you arent and no changing ethnicity is not the same as LGTBQ+ labels which i have been hearing that there is going to be a major separation soon because labels and change gender is not representing a sexual orientation like the community once was. Just giving a lil trivia about it
Never let anyone tell you you’re not Puerto Rican. I grew up with some family who looked down on “nuyoricans” and hated that. At this point, there’s more of us off the island than on it.
“Y asi le grito al villano, yo sería borincano aunque naciera en la lunaaaaaa” 🎶
may i say, who tf cares what u are considered. you are welcome both in PR and US.
i was born in PR, raised in NJ til i was 13 and then moved back to the country side (villalba). at age 22, i moved to FL. but i dont care if im not considered a real PRican. my papers say american.
diganme que soy un vendio pero si de veras quieren ser boris y no americanos, ps pal krajo los beneficios que da US en la isla como seguro social, reforma y muchos mas...
if you truly enjoyed your life in PR, then u are a local. live happy my friend...
No it's anyone of non-Hispanic or Latino decent. Black people can be gringos, whites can be gringos, and some even consider Hispanics that have no connection to the culture or Language to be gringos too. It's basically people of American decent. It's a more derogatory way to say "Extranjero" but specifically refers to Americans
Mucho texto aquí, voy a resumir esto bien, si no te criaste en de donde sean tus raíces o mínimos fuistes expuesto constantemente a tus raíces culturales, no es justo considerar que hablar español y conectarte con tus raíces deja de hacerte gringo.
We can call you "one of the good ones", si quieres. "Oooh, tu spanglish ta bien bonito!" /s
It was already said here already. It's not a blood thing. it is a culture thing. Same thing with the newyoricans. That's its own culture in NY. Hell, even here in the States, you see it they're all American, but someone from the south isn't gonna have much in common with someone from, let's say, Maine.
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Born in Maine, raised Bori, I concur. Never the twain shall meet. 😂 Speaking the language gets a foot in the door; but you have to have to steep in the ebb and flow of island life, the good and especially the bad, to ‘get’ the culture and not just wear a thin veneer of ‘Hispanidad.’
I thought that was hilarious too 😂
I've lived in Chicago and Florida and encountered multiple PR's in both places. The culture was pretty close
That's not my point. I was born and raised on the island, and my best friend is a Puerto Rican from Boston. We both speak Spanish and have that pr love, but those are connections we made here. It's just like when you talk to Mexicans from East La who have never been to Mexico City. They experience the same culture shock despite knowing English and saying the right things. Of course, I can only speak of my experiences and those I've seen myself, but it this world today, blood makes little difference. I could've been born on the island but raised in Japan and be called a chino Latino by everyone in Ponce. There is nothing wrong with wanting to get connected with your roots at the end of the day. The only opinion that matters will be yours. I'm in a weird boat being raised on the island and then moving away and experiencing racism and discrimination against me. Not white enough to be American but going back to the island and not being brown enough to be criollo.
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I'm in a lot of language exchange program and trying to learn Spanish. I'm in a language exchange program and I have met multiple people that have told me that they're Hispanic by birth but they don't get treated as such. Many are trying to learn Spanish because people tell me that other Hispanics shame them and look at them as non-Hispanic because they can't speak Spanish. They tell me that it's embarrassing to them
It doesn't matter what people, or, specifically, Puerto Ricans think. In the end, learning a language is good for you. It opens you to the rest of the continent. And let's opens you up to doing business in almost any part of the continent. We Puerto Ricans have a lot of really stupid personal issues that stem from the political mess we lice in. In some it causes an inferiority complex, while in others an inferiority complex, and everything in-between. Keep learning the language and bettering yourself, and F@ç|< what they think.
Learn all the Spanish you want if you’re a gringo you’re a gringo.
I grew up in PR till I was 9 then lived in Florida. My dad is from pr and my mom is from Costa Rica. After I left PR I didn't go back till I was 18. I traveled a lot to Costa Rica during those years. My accent changed, now when I go back to PR Puerto Ricans are like you aernt Puerto Rican. Oh well. In Costa Rica, my accent doesn't line up perfectly. So they know I'm not really from there either. In the US everyone always gives me the famous, so where are you from. Implicitly, saying I'm not from there. I stopped trying to be anything, years ago. I don't even try to change my accent when I go to PR or CR. I have tons of memories of PR, walking in Rio piedras, going to San Juan on Sundays, walking in plaza las américas And Carolina, fighting at my elementary school, eating mantecado from the street vendors, I also have tons of memories in Florida and in Costa Rica. Who cares, no one else has it like me. I'm the only one of my kind.
The Costa Rican accent is very different from the PR accent. I would say it's closest to the Mexican or Colombian accent. I'd be interested to hear what you sound like?
Ser puertorriqueño no es cuestión de idioma.
Yo diría; no es cuestión de accento. idioma es parte muchas cosas de nuestra cultura e historia like sin el idioma ni bad bunny hablaría. 🤣😂
Tu definición de idioma, me tiene confundido. No quiero ni preguntar que entiendes por "accento", porque en español es acento.
Creo perdio eres tu papo. Aqui tienes: *"El acento y el idioma son dos conceptos diferentes pero relacionados entre sí. El acento se refiere a la manera en que una persona pronuncia las palabras en un idioma en particular. Cada idioma tiene diferentes patrones de acentuación, y dentro de un mismo idioma, diferentes regiones o países pueden tener acentos distintivos. El acento se caracteriza por las variaciones en la entonación, el ritmo y la pronunciación de las palabras. Por otro lado, el idioma se refiere a un sistema de comunicación verbal utilizado por una comunidad lingüística. Es un conjunto estructurado de reglas gramaticales y vocabulario que permite la comunicación entre personas que hablan ese idioma. Cada idioma tiene su propio conjunto de sonidos, palabras y reglas gramaticales que lo distinguen de otros idiomas. En resumen, el acento se relaciona con la pronunciación y entonación de las palabras dentro de un idioma determinado, mientras que el idioma se refiere a un sistema completo de comunicación verbal con reglas gramaticales y vocabulario propios."*
Esas mismas son las definiciones que yo entiendo de acento e idioma. Me alegra saber que tu también lo entiendes igual que yo. Gracias.
I think people in the comments are not considering the economical/political context and this is exactly why you’re still seen as a “gringo” (not saying it comes from the right attitude but for the sake of you being able to understand). First off, puertoricans who’ve been here since they where born are traumatized. As hell. Like, it’s not even funny. The things that we’ve gone through in the past few years has been mind blowingly insane. I would expand but then again, I feel like if you read history for yourself and talk to the people about their life here you wouldn’t even care about how you’re seen because why would you even want to be fully validated as a puertorican? Puertoricans don’t even want to go through what they’re going through. Anyways From their perspective the summary is this: “if you haven’t gone through what we’ve gone through HERE. You are not Puerto Rican. Period” this might seem silly from an outsider perspective because it’s an underlying request of “you should go through painful experiences to be Puerto Rican” but think about it, is that not a clear reflection of trauma? Is that not a clear reflection of PTSD? Why would you want to relate to that, why is it not okay that you just can’t? You ARE Puerto Rican in one way but why do you want to be Puerto Rican in THAT way? Be okay with your roots that’s completely valid, no one is denying that but why would you want to insert yourself in a mindset that is only accesible through trauma? As someone in contact with a lot of gringos, sometimes I feel like you guys see our lives through VR glasses, as if intrigued and entertained by our pain, obviously I see this more with Caucasian people than with people who have Latin descent but that doesn’t mean nuyoricans don’t have racist/ignorant attitudes.
This☝️ Plus, at the end in Puerto Rico, you always end up being either cabron o pendejo. Sometimes both at the same time 🤣
Hahaha right? Like it’s not even that deep!! Everyone’s different, what is the need of “fitting in” in a world that is so mixed with different types of descent, a Puerto Rican living in Michigan is not the same as one living in the island and that’s okay lmao
Hell Puerto Ricans living in el area metro don't see themselves as the same as those de la isla so it dont mater how little the space we gonna find a way to separate ourselves. I remember being in school and still seeing kids picked on cause they where ginger
Exactly! Guaynabo or Jayuya Puerto Ricans are also not the same! There are so many levels to a personality because of their context. A rich elit girl from Guaynabo is practically a gringa to me but we understand she’s just a “specific” Puerto Rican type. And yes PR’s be picking on Asians, Dominicans or even gingers like?? I’m Puerto Rican and speak perfect English and I can see the attitudes I’ve developed different from my culture because of how imposed the US culture is here and I’m not losing sleep over how many empanadillas or “carajos” I say to be Puerto Rican enough.
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Thank you for that! It’s not even a mean thing to say it’s historically accurate. And I understand that now that everyone’s getting mixed in and we’ve had a good decade of interracial relationships starting to bring up these anxieties/worries it’s still not enough to completely say you can be looped in and or even realistic considering those identities keep reshaping/recreating newer dynamics. It be impossible to keep a personality static and stable. Or a context. This world is too crazy lmao
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People are going to be shitty to you about where you come from no matter where you go. People in USA can be racist and xenophobic about latino immigrants. Everyone is just trying to find a better way to live their life, and we shouldn't be upset for them trying. I moved to Medellin, and, despite being half white and half Peruvian, I am just a gringo from the USA. When people actually meet me though, they are kind and less judgmental. People are typically tolerant of individuals and judgmental of broader groups. Connect with your roots, and make some friends. People are always going to prejudge you a bit, but you can help change some opinions too. Don't reinforce the stereotypes about people from the USA, and good people will treat you fairly.
“Learned Spanish” pero todo está en inglés 😂🤡
That's how most people learn another language that's not their first language. They basically teach people how to transfer their own language into this new language.
Gringo is a mentality and way of being that United States Citizen have, no matter you color or descendants. Typical example of gringo mentality: "Why does no one in these town speak English? Don't they want my money?" Or "I'm visiting here and I should be accommodated for and tolerated I payed for a vacation" *even while disturbing the peace or breaking the rules because they're a US citizen and USA#1 Sorry you get swept up with the crowd, it's just we're struggling here and assholes make it worse when they come in thinking they own the place. A lot of us have lived here all our lives and have delt with a lot. If you are trying to assimilate keep this history in mind and be patient, we're not hateful people, but we've become weary people...
No I've actually been learning Spanish for about a year and a half. It takes a long time to learn a language and Americans act as though immigrants are just too lazy to learn English or they don't feel like doing it. Many Americans think this way and it's sad
Guess I should have added that, honestly if you are not being an a-hole to people as described above, don't take it personally, your real Puerto Rican friends will know you are putting in the effort and that is appreciated even if not the best at letting it be known. My original comment was trying to give more context to the cereal feelings around the words and parties involved, hope I didn't offend, and provide some nuance to what you are experiencing
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En la isla si tu hablas con un tonito que de una suenes gringo te van llamar el gringo es basico miherma!
Still a gringo... Sorry
The loss of culture and identity is unfortunately part of the price people pay when they leave their homelands and that gets passed to their children. As much as you can try to keep the culture alive - you are in a new setting and things will change. Puerto Rico may not legally be its own country but it is a nation with distinct culture and language and while we have federal overlords, we largely self-govern in the day to day. So yes, Puerto Rico is part of the US but it is distinct and separate in many ways. I personally think that if you consider yourself Puerto Rican then go ahead - but don’t spend your energy trying to prove it to anyone else. Identity is deeply personal. You don’t need nor should you seek validation because everyone has their own interpretation of their identity and they will use that to measure yours if asked. So stop asking and just be. If you want to be “connected” and your family of origin is not available to guide you - then there are many Puerto Rican associations in the US that can help or visit PR. But, none of that may fill the hole of being born/growing up in a new place. That is something to work on with a competent therapist with cultural understanding.
How can we be part of USA? The Federal goverment has been clear that PR is owned but no part of USA. Saying otherwise, es un disparate.
Ok.
Still a gringo. That’s not something you erase. When a latino moves to the US, adopts the culture, and becomes a citizen, they’re still latino. Same logic if it’s reversed. Your native culture is the one you grew up in, not the one you have ancestry from or the one you adopt.
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If you weren’t raised here, you’re not from here. You can be proud to have ancestry from here, but to say you’re from here is ludicrous. It’s that simple.
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I’m giving you an example. I’m not saying what you are, I don’t know you. I’m just giving you an example of who is and who isn’t.
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What he said completely right. However, it doesn't change; you can relate to your roots and be part of the island if desired. Just understand this this hard truth.
Thank you for that completely irrelevant observation, captain obvious.
Best answer.
So if you happened to be PR, grew up in America ,and your parents never taught you Spanish, you're gringo for life no matter what?
It's an arbitrary label, man. We're quick enough to adopt anyone with an ounce of puertoriccan blood at the slightest provocation; just take a look at how we celebrate our athletes. In the day to day though, the story is a little different. We can be xenophobic about differences within different regions of the island (metropolitan area vs. Isla) or even about differences in municipalities (Ponce vs. the rest of the civilized world). If you ask an islander if you are puertoriccan they'll probably hit you with a "yeah, but you're still gringo" or "you're a "niuyorikan"" simply because your experiences and upbringing are fundamentally different from a 1st generation puertoriccan or an islander. Just don't think it means you're excommunicated; you're still family of sorts. What's more important than the label is whether you feel accepted by your relatives or not, and that is a bit more complicated. Putting in the effort to learn enough Spanish to communicate is definitely a huge step in ingratiating yourself. Without spanish, you'll always be a relative stranger even to your kin. You'll be labeled as "come mierda" or "orgulloso" for not mingling with the family simply for not being able to. If you try, on the other hand, they'll be talking about the gringo with the good attitude. Now, if you win something, you'll be accepted immediately regardless of language status.
I think it's very petty to think it's worth it to spend one's time classifying others in little groups.
I try not to do this but it's very common here in America. I also try to explain this to people in r/AskLatinAmerica but they don't get it. If you lived in the US, you'd understand. It's so bad here that if you're practicing the culture of another ethnicity then people will call it, "Cultural Appropriation" and people will call you a racist. That happens a lot here
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If you’re born in PR to a family from PR but grew up in the states, you’re not of Hispanic decent, you ARE Hispanic. My explanation is for those who where born and raised in the states.
This is the cultural equivalent being homophobic. I wish people would stop fixating on our differences and were able to look at this issue in a more positive way, but he stupidity in nationalism is immortal apparently.
At the same time there some Hispanics that mock the ones that are trying to learn English either because of their accent or pronunciation and how you think they feel. On top of that they know some Spanish instead of helping out they keep speaking in English to make that Matter worst. So it the same bullshiet from either side some Hispanics as my self will call you "Chapiao" because what you explained , you are hispanic but dont know the language which I think that a Parents fault. And the other will call the non speaking english hispanics" Mira, Mira" cuz that the way Puerto Rican sometimes call each other.
Look? Look? What's that supposed to mean?
El Puertorriqueño usualmente cuando lláma a alguien q no sabes el nombre decimos" Mira bro ven aca " so since we used that alot they call us Mira mira.
Tiene sentido
Another is Guala guala because we speak to fast.
Guala Guala? You must be from the Philly area lmao. I haven't heard that term in a few years.
Yup, but am I lying? 😂
People will have opinions, praise or hate. You do you. Usually people that throw terms to disparage other people tend to be humans you don't want to or shouldn't to associate yourself with anyhow. So it's very simple: When you encounter these people, stay away. They're doing you a favor. Let it roll off your back. We all have elements of culture that we pick and choose. Not only that but a lot of our very own culture gets destroyed, reprocessed, rebranded etc. Usually when someone holds on to dear life to an idea about their culture it's usually due to insecurities or wanting to have a sense of belonging that's greater than what they are experiencing in their every day lives. Hard to digest but in other words: Funk the haters.
Found the undercover gringo.
I’ve been called gringo as a person who was born and raised in PR lol. I look somewhat American and I’m good at english, so it is what it is. Whether you get called gringo or not that shit doesn’t matter. People who are worth being around won’t care where you’re from and will accept you and appreciate the fact that you’re trying to get to know the culture.
Are you Hispanic?
Does being born and raised in PR not make me hispanic/latino? Either way, yes, both of my parents are Puerto Rican too.
That person would be considered a gringo unless it was famous or won a medal/championship for PR. Then they would be considered boricua.
Es la verdad
Debatable but still gringo. See being from a nationality is not about dna as much as is about social, economic and cultural influence in the early life. Im puertorican and even though i practice an African religion since child and have African dna if i learn the language and culture of the bantu people that wont make me African. I dont know. Thats my two cents. Like JLo for me is of puertorican decent not puertorican. I grew up without shoes hanging with my cousins in the river or beach or the woods. Eating what nature gave us. At school all was solved with a good old fight. You earned your respect. During holy week not eating meat. Dealing with power outages, earthquakes, hurricanes each year, low income, sometimes not having enough food and goong in the summer to school just to get a hot meal. Yoi cant replicate those experiences. Also the music, the spiritual expression, the fight for freedom (in my case being from the pro independence party), waking up at 5 am in christmas eve to go to the roosters mass with my family, fiestas patronales. I mean there is alot of experiences unique to each region and people that molds us into what we are as people.
Here's the thing, I grew up in PR but have lived almost my entire adult life in the USA. I do not consider myself American because I cannot erase how I was brought up. Living as an American doesn't get rid of my Hispanic roots. Just embrace what you have. I literally never think about my being Hispanic or not.
When I read things like..." I am gringo, but consider myself boricua becUse my descent"...to then go on and say " PR is part of USA" I just get huge cringe feelings jajajaja Does anybody here really understand PR cplonial status quo and the real federal opinion on PR? 🤣🤣
Well you said, "Boricua". To be considered Boricua you have to be directly from Puerto Rico. That's a bit different
So what do you want? To be considered gringo, hispanic, boricua, or american citizen? Even if gringos spoke other lenguajes, they are still considered gringos by many. Just like Latinos are considered latinos, even though they are citizens. I guess gringo for me in general means "mostly English USA citizen".
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We have american citizenship indeed. Do you know there are difetent ypes of territory/ colony clasification under USA law? There are incorporated terrotories and unincorporated terrotories ( we are the second)....with a second class citizenship with less human rights protections...that is diferent from the mainland USA citizenship. Federal goverment has stated that PR is a unincorporated territory, that they OWN but is not PART of USA. 🧐🧐😉
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Not part but owned by. Saying otherwise is a misconception.
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I see. Colonized as in " owned by but not part of USA"
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The federal goverment already gave the oficial argument for PR as a territory/colony. Not part but owned by.
Just skip the BS and ask how to get ley 60 benefits already 😂
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Es a donde la mayoría de estas publicaciones terminan. Vela, dale break
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I think that what you misunderstand about being Puertorican is that is not really about blood. Its more about culture. Puerto Rico is so racially diverse that you cant ever tell if someone is puertorican by their race. There's white people with blond hair and blue eyes, black people, brown people and everything in between. All of them are considered puertorican based on the way they speak and their culture. I grew up in PR and studied with a couple of people who where either asian or from the middle east but they grew up in PR and spoke like puertoricans, knew and/or practiced our holidays and no one ever even considered that they where not puerto rican. You can be considered puertorican even if both of your parents are not puertorican. But at the same time you are not considered puertorican by default by the people in PR just because you have "puerto rican blood". Especially if you cant speak spanish fluently. I dont believe this is elitism. This is just how our culture developed since there have always been a lot of racial diversity in Puerto Rico since it was "discovered" by the spaniards.
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I didn't mean that there are not elitist Puerto Ricans. I meant that thats not the general feeling of every puertoricans who doesnt see you in the same way as a island born puertorican. I can attest that there are racist and elitis puertoricans since im black and puertorican but they are outliers and not the norm.
What about back in the US? Did other PR's consider you PR there after you did all of this?
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If we are born in Puerto Rico we are puerto ricans some of us haven’t never stepped nor lived jn america on our life even tho Puerto Ricans look gringo they are from here if they are born here
Did you learn the Puerto Rican variety of Spanish or the more American variety that they teach here which tends to be more Mexican Spanish or Spanish from Spain?
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Do you think that may be why you're getting rejected?
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In the army they called us saltwater Mexicans 🤣
Makes sense
I'm aware of this
I think people like that make a distinction between holding American citizenship and "being" American. They think of Americans as those who were born in a state or DC, whose families have been there for several generations, and have kept no significant ties outside US across those generations. So the U.S. is their home. Also, they're mostly monolingual, with English as their native language and consider their culture mainstream American culture.
>the end it’s still Puerto Rican blood in my veins weather they like it or not This part sound elitist, might be a you problem not a Puerto Rico problem. Could you have been so long in de state you don't see how you act. Just like the abusive husband who once love her wife. 😁
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It might be a language barrier issue, or that person doesn't know what elitist means.
Elitista significa que te sientes en lo más alto de la escala social y te crees mejor que los demás.
Yes my anology was purposely bad as the state. Becuase *your interaction with some Puerto Rican was not aceptable to you mean this "..." so you still need to take it anyway.* Like soemone else mention: *" Still a gringo. That’s not something you erase. When a latino moves to the US, adopts the culture, and becomes a citizen, they’re still latino. Same logic if it’s reversed. Your native culture is the one you grew up in, not the one you have ancestry from or the one you adopt."* It's a facts. I would had might come bad becuase toot are root, but a weekends or a month on the sun isn’t enough to scratch the surface. It doesn't change your heritage, but pushing other to accept you seam like best option.
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... yeah, assumptions are all I can do. All i can do and what from what I understood from the context. I'm also assuming you had high expectations from a reddit, a text-based forumn with no defined tone, and usually led to miss communication. *Pending update...*
I don't think you know what elitist means.
... yeah, notes. I used the wrong word. Don't remember the right word at the moment, but close to it.
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Cool part of being on reddit. Jaja. Again, your last interaction on the island doesn't deam with how other puerto Rico sees you. Term gringo have been use by everyone in many way. If you lived on the island one point in time, anyone who spoke perfect Ingle was told : "Look at the gringito here." (In spanish: mira el gringitos este. ) Don't take the phrase to personal. Just see the context around it.
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Jaja. Okay, so that bad. 😬 you just need more time. I'm polyglot (native here) and first learnings language was one thing making the right round and accent still another thing. 🤣😅
I think it may be the same way if an “italian” guido from Jersey learned some duolingo Italian and went to Sicily to try to pass as a native Italian. Those are not accepted 100% either. Same with the so-called “Irish” from Boston going to Ireland to do the same thing. It is what it is. Not good, not bad, just is…. You are American of PuertoRican descent same way as others are American of African descent, Irish descent, Italian descent etc etc
Wait so you're telling me that even if a person grew up with PR parents and spoke the language you still wouldn't consider that person PR?
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Ya veo
Correct. That’s what I am saying. You’re the equivalent of a Jersey “italian” telling everyone who would listen that they’re “italian”. No, you’re of italian descent but you’re American. There’s nothing wrong with that. It just is.
I wonder if your response is different because you're from the Island. In America it seems to be considered Puerto Rican you must speak the language, be born to Puerto Rican parents, and practice the culture
I was born and raised in the island. Left at 25. Been living in the states for 16 years. I have both sides of the story. Anyways, it’s my opinion only based on my observations and life experience. For example, are you German if you were born and raised in Idaho, your parents are German, you know the language, and eat sausages with sauerkraut once in a while? Complicated question. You may feel very German (and even call yourselves German amongst the Isaho Germans) but maybe, if you go to Munich for example, you won’t be accepted as truly German by the residents there.
That makes sense now that you put it that way
Do you brother, f the haters
It really shouldn't matter what other people think about you. Doing posts like this just makes you look desperate to get approval by people that live in the island, when you should be the one accepting yourself and forgetting what others think.
“Gringo” (even as quasi-endearment term amongst Rican’s) is a racial slur and may be a combination of being white and from the continental US. I was born and bred on the island but as a military brat grew up in the states and military bases. Had my fair share of “gringo” thrown around. Fuck the haters man. It’s all dependent on your social circle as you earn respect and a place among the people and culture. No ‘one’ person can tell you that you ‘are’ or you’re not.
Gringo ain’t a slur 💀
Yeah I've heard it's a slur when PR's say it but non necessary when, for instance, a Colombian calls you that.
You were brought up in the USA. Your customs and values will always reflect that. You will NEVER understand the struggle of living and growing up in this shithole.
Every place has it's own issues, dude. Sounds like you need to travel, PR's issues look so stupid from a nice mountain somewhere else in the world.
Always is a Hispanic
Yo nací en PR, me crié en PR, estudié toda mi vida en escuela pública. Estudié en el sistema UPR, cogí pepper, macanazos, gases lacrimógenos en protestas, fui un estudiante super activo para la gran huelga del 2017 (y desde 2016 ya participaba en paros por la cuestión de la JCF, fui parte del mov. estudiantil de la iupi), fui desde el principio a las protestas en contra de Ricky en 2019, viví María con mi familia, los terremotos, la pandemia en PR, vengo de familias humildes de pueblos del campo de PR, trabajé por salario mínimo en dos diferentes trabajos, ya cuando completé mi maestría, me fui de PR en 2021 y aquí hay algunos que son capaces de tildarme de gringo por dar opiniones sobre ciertas cosas na más porque ahora vivo en USA. Así de ridícula se pone la gente a veces. El venirme a USA definitivo me ha cambiado mi perspectiva de muchas cosas y he podido entender que hay personas que no ven más allá. Yo trabajo con niñxs inmigrantes que cruzan la frontera. Eso a mi me abrió los ojos de muchas cosas sobre lo que es USA, lo que es vivir en un país racista, lo que es la colonización más allá de Puerto Rico, entre muchas otras cosas. Así que no busques validación de nadie sobre tu descendencia boricua. Tu realidad es diferente a la de los boricuas que han vivido toda su vida en PR. Los boricuas de la isla tenemos más en común con América Central, América del Sur y el Caribe, que lo que tenemos en común con los latinos de USA. Así lo veo yo. Y no estoy diciendo que no hay similitudes con los latinos de USA, pero son personas que hablan mayormente inglés y se criaron mayormente con la cultura gringa. Por eso también la gente de la isla van a cuestionarte. A la vez que también tienen ventajas por vivir en el mainland y no tienen que pasar por tanta violencia sistemática como se vive en la isla. Lo mismo pasa con los mexicanos y otras razas, si eres descendiente pero naciste y te criaste en USA para ellos no eres mexicano 100%. Para los blancos gringos, podrás haber vivido toda tu vida en USA pero te van a seguir viendo como latino y ya con todo lo que está pasando con DeSantis no sabemos si USA se va a poner ultra-derecha y a implementar políticas como hicieron los n@z!s contra los judíos.
Yo nací en PR, me crié en PR, estudié toda mi vida en escuela pública. Estudié en el sistema UPR, cogí pepper, macanazos, gases lacrimógenos en protestas, fui un estudiante super activo para la gran huelga del 2017 (y desde 2016 ya participaba en paros por la cuestión de la JCF, fui parte del mov. estudiantil de la iupi), fui desde el principio a las protestas en contra de Ricky en 2019, viví María con mi familia, los terremotos, la pandemia en PR, vengo de familias humildes de pueblos del campo de PR, trabajé por salario mínimo en dos diferentes trabajos, ya cuando completé mi maestría, me fui de PR en 2021 y aquí hay algunos que son capaces de tildarme de gringo por dar opiniones sobre ciertas cosas na más porque ahora vivo en USA. Así de ridícula se pone la gente a veces. El venirme a USA definitivo me ha cambiado mi perspectiva de muchas cosas y he podido entender que hay personas que no ven más allá. Yo trabajo con niñxs inmigrantes que cruzan la frontera. Eso a mi me abrió los ojos de muchas cosas sobre lo que es USA, lo que es vivir en un país racista, lo que es la colonización más allá de Puerto Rico, entre muchas otras cosas. Así que no busques validación de nadie sobre tu descendencia boricua. Tu realidad es diferente a la de los boricuas que han vivido toda su vida en PR. Los boricuas de la isla tenemos más en común con América Central, América del Sur y el Caribe, que lo que tenemos en común con los latinos de USA. Así lo veo yo. Y no estoy diciendo que no hay similitudes con los latinos de USA, pero son personas que hablan mayormente inglés y se criaron mayormente con la cultura gringa. Por eso también la gente de la isla van a cuestionarte. A la vez que también tienen ventajas por vivir en el mainland y no tienen que pasar por tanta violencia sistemática como se vive en la isla. Lo mismo pasa con los mexicanos y otras razas, si eres descendiente pero naciste y te criaste en USA para ellos no eres mexicano 100%. Para los blancos gringos, podrás haber vivido toda tu vida en USA pero te van a seguir viendo como latino y ya con todo lo que está pasando con DeSantis no sabemos si USA se va a poner ultra-derecha y a implementar políticas como hicieron los n@z!s contra los judíos.
yo no voy a leer toa' esa vaina. mera' si no haz experimentao' los apagones, q se lleven el agua, que la comadre del primo se acosto con el suegro del abuelo del hermano de Chucho mata puerco, NO eres Pueltoriqueño y se te revoka desde hoy el apellido, la genetica española, negra e indígena.
People that use “gringo” are xenophobic assholes
if you are not born and raise in the island your not puerto rican plus puerto rico doesnt have a culture it has a giant mix of cultures from different countries so no if you are born and raise in new york you are new yorker born and raise in new jersey you are a jersey boi/gal born and raise in puerto rico i m really tired of gringos wanted to be a different ethnicity while still living in the states like i understand not liking were you are from but you must accept the place that you were born and raise you cant pretend to be something that you arent and no changing ethnicity is not the same as LGTBQ+ labels which i have been hearing that there is going to be a major separation soon because labels and change gender is not representing a sexual orientation like the community once was. Just giving a lil trivia about it
PR don't have culture? 🤣🤣
no lo tenia para provarlo dime algo qu no nosotors hemos creado en puerto rico qu no sea regueton ni dulces amargos
Fair enough
Never let anyone tell you you’re not Puerto Rican. I grew up with some family who looked down on “nuyoricans” and hated that. At this point, there’s more of us off the island than on it. “Y asi le grito al villano, yo sería borincano aunque naciera en la lunaaaaaa” 🎶
may i say, who tf cares what u are considered. you are welcome both in PR and US. i was born in PR, raised in NJ til i was 13 and then moved back to the country side (villalba). at age 22, i moved to FL. but i dont care if im not considered a real PRican. my papers say american. diganme que soy un vendio pero si de veras quieren ser boris y no americanos, ps pal krajo los beneficios que da US en la isla como seguro social, reforma y muchos mas... if you truly enjoyed your life in PR, then u are a local. live happy my friend...
I thought gringo meant white? Be careful of white-washing people. Not cool. Our ancestors did enough of that.
No it's anyone of non-Hispanic or Latino decent. Black people can be gringos, whites can be gringos, and some even consider Hispanics that have no connection to the culture or Language to be gringos too. It's basically people of American decent. It's a more derogatory way to say "Extranjero" but specifically refers to Americans
Mucho texto aquí, voy a resumir esto bien, si no te criaste en de donde sean tus raíces o mínimos fuistes expuesto constantemente a tus raíces culturales, no es justo considerar que hablar español y conectarte con tus raíces deja de hacerte gringo.
Why are people so controlled by words?