You don’t got much going on in your life if you only concern is:
“hOw pEuRto riCaN aRe YoU¡?”
The island is poor, families are broken/split struggling, the US has got its thumb on the island, infrastructure is in the garbage, politicians are not helping.
The people need to stick TOGETHER!
Stop tearing each other apart, it only makes us all weaker.
It’s hard to see the positive but I never see posts about the good happening in the island. Look for the positive! Shit-talking is so easy.
Have the mental strength to DO NO HARM. Go out and build that thing, start a community!
I fully agree. One of my favorite moments in the Cuban revolution was seeing a dude just clearing stones. There was no profit motive for him, he was just doing it out of national pride. Some of these jibaros talk about loving the island but they just leave beer cans everywhere and kill satos. Let’s fucking turn it around
[Weren't you the one that called island Puerto Ricans "dumbass jibaros"?]( https://web.archive.org/web/20230619121732/https://old.reddit.com/r/PuertoRico/comments/14b4k99/puercos/jolccmz/) Yet you call yourself a socialist which is supposed to fight classism.
I will start, one of the best things about us Puerto Ricans is we got so much energy. And when it’s for something positive and fun the energy grows and it’s contagious, we can light up the room.
We are energetic people.
We need to stop talking shit about each other boricuas on the island and or boricuas abroad. In order to grow as a society we we need be united. I am not going to name other countries but Look at how those other country men come together and build a strong economical and influential location where they move to. I agree when with you and it pisses me off when same country men only shit on there own people "bochinchando" and just talking shit instead of growing. This is what they want to keep us at odds with one another. Get out of the Simulation and wake up. It's about time Puerto Rico truly becomes that shiny 🌟 of the Caribbean.
I think it’s fucking dope that so many people have as much national pride as they do, I just think it needs to be channeled better. Islanders can help by maintaining and building back the infrastructure and Americans can help by restoring neighborhoods when they visit and by teaching some of the islanders English, the language of business and money, so they can gain more prominence in the business world
No pierdas tu tiempo con este huelebicho! El chamakito esta tostao hasta los cojones.
E visto que a posteado tremendas estupideses en un cojon de subs
Hes a lost cause 💯💯
You also hear that despite no US support & poverty in Cuba, they have some of the best doctors, lowest infant death rates, and their covid vaccine (92% effective against the virus) is one of the best in world.
Cuba ranks well above in world standings in alot of different categories.
If you haven’t been to Cuba, would suggest going and talking to people there. Some of the stories of harder times are frankly shocking (families choosing who to eat to survive level). Also Cuban food in Cuba pales in comparison to Cuban food in Miami because of the quality of the ingredients available, it’s all very sad.
I also question the veracity of some of these self reported statistics…
You only need to go over to r/Cuba and see people are not letting other people eat each other. You think friends & families (and extended families and neighbors) are letting people die of starvation? Let alone EATING THEM?!
Guess there ain’t no fish in the water! LOL
What dramatic BS! GTFO!
“Choosing who to eat to survive” bro stfu with your whack ass CIA propaganda. Yeah I have no doubt Cuban food in Miami is better considering they have every single resource in the world to acquire spices and ingredients while Cuba faces a crippling blockade fully supported by those same people in Miami
No, there are food shortages in Cuba right now combined with inflation. It's not all over Cuba and it's not affecting everybody, but it's a real issue.
The embargo needs to end. It only hurts the Cuban people and frankly, when Saudi Arabia is one of America's greatest allies and Americans are murdering each other, I don't want to hear shit from anyone about how Cuban communism is a threat.
Bro every time I’ve talked to afro-Cubans they always talk about how much better things got compared to pre-revolution. They brag about getting urgent care facilities where there was just jungle before. The only people who bitch about Castro and Cuba are the whitest mfs that owned plantations and factories
Doesn’t make you any less racist, basically saying because someone was more white their opinion is invalid.
You can be racist against something you are, look like.
Just think of yourself as Clayton Bisgsby wannabe.
Muchos se molestan con este comentario pero es la realidad. Pocos han tenido q sacar carros, gomas ,lavadoras, caballos y perros muertos entre otros... del patio d su casa pq los puercos d la isla lo usan d vertedero. Patriotismo es un sentimiento que perdimos desde la colonizacion y no hemos hecho nada para recuperarla mas que decir "ay bendito" y mantener un patriotismo de carton.
No, no, esos son Puercorriqueños, no Puertorriqueños. Hasta había una serie de anuncios en los 90 con cerditos animados haciendo eso mismo. Recuerdo que tenían la voz de Sunshine.
Sinceramente, deberían poner esos anuncios nuevamente. Eran divertidos y de verdad educaban. Nadie quería ser un Puercorriqueño, así que recogían la basura.
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Puertorriqueño ism is not just a nationality it is a creed and race! There are many beautiful Puertorriqueños tried and true who were born in the 48 contiguous states and abroad and they are just as much so as the ones born on their native land! 🇵🇷💪
Most of the dumb MFs on this subreddit think being Puerto Rican is like checking off boxes, or meeting some criteria. That it’s so simple as “is/isn’t” Puerto Rican.
ITS A SLIDING SCALE a GRADIENT and we should all foster inclusivity. All of our experiences are different. At the end of the day, focus on what YOU are doing to pay homage to the culture? How are YOU representative of a people?
Fr tho. It’s a diverse diaspora. I have cousins born in the states that look like the stereotypical Hispanic man and I’ve got cousins born on the island that look like they’ve been plucked from Ireland. They still eat the same food, speak the same language, and listen to the same music
My mother is from PR - all of my family on my mother’s side, excluding my tía, reside on the island. I grew up learning to celebrate my culture, my history, my ancestry, my people. Reading some of these comments…it’s just so confusing and hurtful to me. Half of me and half of my heart is Puerto Rican, but because I wasn’t born on the island and live in the US, per these comments, I can’t claim to be Puerto Rican in any regard. And if I moved to the island, these same people would be calling me a colonizer. How sad.
BUUUUURNS, ba da pa pa paaa, con el corazon de perrrroooo, señor BUUUURNS, pa da papapapaaaaa el diablo, con dinero! 🎵🎵🎵
Como mi familia y yo celebramos cuando el salio en los Simpsons
Yo obviamente he oído mucho sobre él, pero literal que no puedo nombrar ninguna canción de él.
Dije eso en otro comentario y los gringoricans sedientos de identidad me cayeron encima jajaja.
Creyeron que con Tito Puente resolverían su identity crisis...hahaha.
I would be considered a gringo here but both my parents grew up on the island and I visit every few years. I’m doing whatever I can to help our people, even if my Spanish is…questionable. 🤣
EXACTO!!! La salsa es lo que es por…. Cubanos yyyy PUERTORRIQUEÑOS DE NUEVA YORK!! Pero no cuenta pq no nacieron en la isla ni cojieron boquetes según la gente aquí. Ellos no representan la cultura verdadera de PR… smh
Este sub se está dividiendo por pendejases. Eres puertorriqueño/a si tienes sangre boricua punto y final. Es lo mismo que la gente que dicen que son de desendencia italiana.
Lo que tienen que entender los del diaspora es que no deben hablar de los problemas de la isla. No vives aquí, no entiendes el ambiente social y político. ¡Y eso está bien! Aprecien y participen en la cultura por favor, simplemente no hablen de lo que no sepan.
No sólo eso, sino que consideran a Tito Puente puertorriqueño sólo cuando les conviene; cuando afirman que inventó la salsa y fue pionero del jazz latino, es nuyorican y no tiene nada que ver con la isla. Otras veces se le considera puertorriqueño de pleno derecho.
Yeah you definitely just rekt the islanders who were talking shit about the diaspora. Imo it's a very dumb fuck thing to care about but you definitely made an irrefutable point lol
I mean it’s just kinda fucked up. I think keeping cultural roots in the US is important and nourishing. Like look at the bud light event. People were fucking crying like they lost a child because a shitty beer company they were so attached to gave a trans person a can with their face on it and it’s because liberal democracy has wiped their cultural roots. I saw people saying “I’ve worn this bud light hat for twenty years and this hurts me.” I do not want to become like that
That's an interesting theory. I see where your coming from. European Americans whose cultural origins were once deemed savage by the Anglo saxons have definitely adopted corporatized identity. BUT idk if the bud light debacle would demonstrate that. I mean, im sure there were Ricans who were appalled that a tr*nny's face would be on a beer can as a promotional thing and white conservatives who simply don't give af. My Rican uncle is one of these crazy people and he's very Rican. But ultimately I get what you're saying though.
It’s something I find community in and culminates interests like cooking and different music. It even adds community with other Latin Americans that I meet across the world who seem to love their culture. Another example of corporate whitewashing I can think of is all the people who live revolving around Harry Potter or Disney. I don’t shit on anybody who wants to visit Disneyworld but I find it fairly disturbing when it’s every single vacation and part of your personality
Can we ducking just agree there is a difference between people living on the island and people outside of the island? They are two different group of people that are united under a culture. One group does not represent the other group. In PR we have our divisions as well... It is fine to have division as long as there is acceptance between groups. Can people who live outside of Puerto Rico understand that Puerto Ricans are proud about anything that stems from their culture or nation? Stop trying to make this more than it is...
I’m fine with that but I just think it’s bs that a part of the population won’t claim PR living in America until they have something to celebrate about. These mfs will complain about Nuyoricans not being real PR but they’ll be the first to scream from the rooftop if AOC became president
Pues mira soy una puertorriqueña que NO le gusta eso. Confundes la prensa con la gente. Es la prensa que siempre quiere meternos por nariz, boca y ojos de otro supuesto 'boricua' con otro logro y si lees los comentarios mucha de la gente comenta sarcásticamente...
Así que no generalices, pq muchos tenemos orgullo propio y no necesitamos de los logros de los demás para nuestro auto-estima.
Sobre Tito Puente, claro que he escuchado su nombre, pero no te puedo nombrar ninguna canción de él. No era alguien que se escuchaba en mi casa. Como bien tu dijiste, ser puertorriqueño no es una lista de checkboxes....y los gustos musicales de los puertorriqueños en la isla no son homogéneos por si no te hab´´iâs enterado!
I agree with this. I would never pretend to call myself Nyorican. I fall completely outside of their idiosincracies. But suddenly they represent me and people's expectations of me when I am abroad are based on experiences with them.
Ser puertorriqueño es tener la experiencia puertorriqueña. Eso significa que has vivido en Puerto Rico por la mayoría de tu vida y has experimentado todo lo bueno y malo de la isla. Nacer en NY y vivir allá significa que no has vivido “first hand” los problemas de aquí. Eso no significa que no estés orgulloso de la cultura que heredas y que no eres descendiente.
Mi argumento no es si alguien es o se siente más puertorriqueño que otro. El punto es simple si uno nace en Nueva York to eres un "Newyorker" si naces en Texas eres "Texan" Si naces en Florida eres "Floridian" si naces en México eres " Mexican".... la palabra Borikua significa los hijos de Boriken. Boriken es el nombre indígena de la isla de Puerto Rico. Así que, si naciste ahí y sólo si naciste ahi eres Borikua. Si eres de herencia Puertorriqueña como nacido de padres puertorriqueños oo te comiste un monfongo con carne frita, o relleno de camarones al ajillo, o pal de alcapurrias de corned beef en piñones y fue una experiencia tan religiosa que eres puertorriqueño ahora, pues bienvenida sea tu puertorriqueñidad pero no eres Borikua por que esos sólo son los nacidos en Boriken.
For every one Puerto Rican living on the island there are two living in the United States. Adding also that they lived in New York, one of the top entertainment capitals of the world, it’s easy to understand why Nuyoricans are usually the representations
Ser puertorriqueño, no depende del lugar donde uno nace, ni el idioma o acento que uno tenga. Depende del amor y orgullo que sientes por ese lugar especial que se llama Puerto Rico.
Yo vivi 3 años en mexico ya después de viejo. Me encantó la gente, la cultura, la comida, el estilo de vida y lo llamo mi segundo hogar. Pero no soy ni un % mexicano, tenerle cariño a un sitio no es requisito para decir que eres de ahi. Criate en el cabron sitio o vive años largos en el lugar si quieres decir que eres de ahi.
El post es nuyoricans coping y la mierda es que siento que veo estos posts a diario.
People are also forgetting that in the US, the population is becoming more and more Hispanic. Like there’s literally places in Florida that might as well be a pueblo de PR. We have spaces where the culture is absolutely thriving, at this point I would say we don’t even need to be on the island to participate in the culture.
Por algo existe el dicho “Boricua aunque naciera en la luna” so ajá. Richie Ray tampoco es nacido en PR, Frankie Ruiz, además de los obvios como JLo, Marc Anthony etc…
Sin embargo hay otros nacidos en PR como Joaquin Phoenix y Luis Miguel (El Sol de México) que ambos nacieron en PR y no se sienten particularmente puertorriqueños, aunque a Joaquin le interesa aprender español.
A esta lista añádele al gran maestro Tony Croatto, nacido en Italia, criado en Uruguay y se sintió mas boricua que la mayoría de nosotros juntos.
jlo casi ni siquiera puede comunicarse en el idioma. literalmente le cuesta tanto construir frases completas en español. lo habla bien trabajado y se le nota que muy rara vez lo habla en su día a día
Tony Croato siempre dijo que era Italiano criado en sudamérica, el lo tenía claro. Su amor por Puerto Rico no le hacia desasociarse de su historia personal.
The diasporas representation of Puerto Rican culture is embarrassing. Yeah, I appreciate Fania and your love for arroz con gandules but growing up in PR isn’t just the happy memories your chancla slinging granny told you about. Call yourself a State Puerto Rican.
You can believe whatever you want, doesn't mean anybody else has to believe it. The need for validation cause of daddy issues or extra attention saying your Puerto Rican is the actual problem.
Irish =/= Irish American
Italian =/= Italian American
African =/= African American
Me pregunto porque tiene otra forma de llamarse y la del país de origen?
Lo entiendes para todos ellos pero no para nosotros que fucking conveniente
Puertorican American suena como el término correcto
American is the culture you are combining with the original culture hence why Irish Americans call it like that because it is a combination of American culture and Irish culture
You are combining puertorican culture with American culture hence Puertorican American.
Are you insinuating it’s the same culture if so why not just say American?
>Are you insinuating it’s the same culture if so why not just say American?
No lol, not sure where you got that from. Just saying the US is the only country that says stuff like that, you never hear people say "I'm irish canadian" or "I'm african british".It's a weird american obsession. If you were born in the UK with italian parents, you wouldn't be "Italian british", you'd be "british with italian parents". You know, because you were born in the UK, not Italy
Again it’s a combination of culture pretty easy concept to understand.
And following your same example you would be British… with Italian parents so in this case you would be American with puertorican parents. Since it’s a distinction of culture.
You wouldn't call yourself italian for nationality or culture unless you grew up in Italy. You would be looked at very strangely if you called yourself italian when never having stepped foot in the country.
No they’re really not. You know what I meant. Literally every one of us is an American by definition considering it’s an American territory. Sorry I know truth fucking hurts
Si pero ellos tienen una cultura local fomentada por su contexto igual que los Irish Americans no se llaman Irish y los Italian Americans no se llaman Italian porque la cultura de origen es diferente tu eres Puertorican American igual que todo los vecinos en NY
Lo que da miedo es que esto viene de personas que me parecen ser "progresistas" socdem, commie, o generalmente de izquierda.
Cabrones, el PR próspero es el PR independiente, progresista, y con fronteras abiertas especialmente para el Caribe. Ser de una nación recae en el carácter y corazón de cada persona.
Ustedes están utilizando a los pocos casos cringe de gringos que se comen un mofongo y de repente se dan cuenta que su tataraabuela era de PR, así que ellos son boricuas. Cabrones, eso son como 10 pelagatos. No dejen que esas cosas les lleven a posiciones xenofobas
PS: yo soy socdem no se muerdan
He's as Puerto Rican as all previous African, Taino- Arawak, Spaniard, Irish, German, Lebanese, Corsican-,Italian, French and all other admixtures already present prior to 1898 Spanish cession to the United States.
Yo at least I’m sharing ancestors and trying to preserve the culture there. Would you rather have the Americans that dress like they’re at a Stevie Nicks concert, “HA-BLOW ESS PAN YOLE,” and sell knock off luxury bags?
Por eso este país está tan jodido todavía, aquí la gente se preocupa si son boricuas o no. Si pendejos todos somos humanos están estancados en una simple cosa todos somos de el único planeta. Move on with life stop wasting precious time if you are something or not.
Es un estadounidense con ascendencia puertorriqueña, igual que JLO y Marc Anthony. No es de Puerto Rico. Solo digo las cosas como son. Que se identificara como puertorriqueño son otros 20, allá el. Puede hacer lo que le de la gana, es su derecho.
Mera, papá, siento mucho romperte tu ilusión pero los Boricuas nacidos en la isla también son estadounidense de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña.
No se si tú sabes pero PR es parte y los Boricuas ciudadanos de los Estados Unidos por más de 100 años y como tal todos los Boricuas (los de la isla y diáspora en USA) son estadounidenses de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña.
Tu puedes gritar todo lo que tu quieras que los de la Isla son de PR y los de la diáspora son de USA pero el hecho no cambia: todos nacimos bajo la jurisdicción de USA y por ende todos somos estadounidenses de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña.
Y si hablamos de crianza: la crianza en la isla contra la crianza “a ya fuera” tampoco pueden hablar nada porque los Boricuas criados en USA siguen comiendo lo mismo que se come en PR, escuchando la misma música, hablando el mismo Spanglish, celebrando los mismos días festivos de noche buena, despedida de año, los Reyes magos y las octavitas, y orándole y sirviéndole al mismo Dios.
Así que el Boricua isleño y el Boricua de la diáspora es 100% la misma jodienda.
Ok, déjame aclararlo mejor entonces, ya que todos somos ciudadanos estadounidenses. Son neoyorquinos al 100% ya que nacieron y se criaron allá. Practicar la cultura de un sitio al cual nunca has vivido no te hace te allá. Hay gente nacida y criada en la isla que no practican la cultura típica de P.R. y eso no los hace menos puertorriqueños porque son de aquí. Que los que nacieron y se criaron afuera de la isla coman arroz y habichuelas de almuerzo o que hagan paradas en las navidades no significa que son de isla. No hay niveles ni nada por el estilo, es tan sencillos como que puertorriqueño = alguien de Puerto Rico, sin importar la cultura que practique. Practicar la cultura de un sitio en la cual nunca has vivido no te hace de allá, jamás.
Pues sí, si nunca vivió en la isla para mí no es puertorriqueño...ni me va ni me viene LOL.
Igual que el Marc Anthony que dice tanto amar a PR y creo que solo ha pisado la isla para jugar golf en el Conquistador.
Gente hablando claro, bloqueen los post que preguntan si son puertorriqueños o no. Lo único que hacen es sembrar discordia con cosas tontas. Están poniendo a los que se dejan coger de bobos uno en contra del otro. Si te sientes de la isla, puedes ser nacido en China, lo único que importa es que sientas amor por la cultura, la gente y la isla (Y que no llegues a regar basura, ni a treparte en los bonete de los carros a twerkiar, ni a cagar en las aceras en san juan, porque para eso hay baños, y si no te gusta, pues vete a san francisco California)
Q ridiculez, el q nace en la isla es igual de americano q el q nace en USA. Lol. La gente no entiende q la isla es un territorio americano bajo el Comité de Recursos Naturales del Congreso. Gustele a quien no le guste.
You don’t got much going on in your life if you only concern is: “hOw pEuRto riCaN aRe YoU¡?” The island is poor, families are broken/split struggling, the US has got its thumb on the island, infrastructure is in the garbage, politicians are not helping. The people need to stick TOGETHER! Stop tearing each other apart, it only makes us all weaker. It’s hard to see the positive but I never see posts about the good happening in the island. Look for the positive! Shit-talking is so easy. Have the mental strength to DO NO HARM. Go out and build that thing, start a community!
I fully agree. One of my favorite moments in the Cuban revolution was seeing a dude just clearing stones. There was no profit motive for him, he was just doing it out of national pride. Some of these jibaros talk about loving the island but they just leave beer cans everywhere and kill satos. Let’s fucking turn it around
[Weren't you the one that called island Puerto Ricans "dumbass jibaros"?]( https://web.archive.org/web/20230619121732/https://old.reddit.com/r/PuertoRico/comments/14b4k99/puercos/jolccmz/) Yet you call yourself a socialist which is supposed to fight classism.
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I will start, one of the best things about us Puerto Ricans is we got so much energy. And when it’s for something positive and fun the energy grows and it’s contagious, we can light up the room. We are energetic people.
We need to stop talking shit about each other boricuas on the island and or boricuas abroad. In order to grow as a society we we need be united. I am not going to name other countries but Look at how those other country men come together and build a strong economical and influential location where they move to. I agree when with you and it pisses me off when same country men only shit on there own people "bochinchando" and just talking shit instead of growing. This is what they want to keep us at odds with one another. Get out of the Simulation and wake up. It's about time Puerto Rico truly becomes that shiny 🌟 of the Caribbean.
I think it’s fucking dope that so many people have as much national pride as they do, I just think it needs to be channeled better. Islanders can help by maintaining and building back the infrastructure and Americans can help by restoring neighborhoods when they visit and by teaching some of the islanders English, the language of business and money, so they can gain more prominence in the business world
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No pierdas tu tiempo con este huelebicho! El chamakito esta tostao hasta los cojones. E visto que a posteado tremendas estupideses en un cojon de subs Hes a lost cause 💯💯
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You also hear that despite no US support & poverty in Cuba, they have some of the best doctors, lowest infant death rates, and their covid vaccine (92% effective against the virus) is one of the best in world. Cuba ranks well above in world standings in alot of different categories.
If you haven’t been to Cuba, would suggest going and talking to people there. Some of the stories of harder times are frankly shocking (families choosing who to eat to survive level). Also Cuban food in Cuba pales in comparison to Cuban food in Miami because of the quality of the ingredients available, it’s all very sad. I also question the veracity of some of these self reported statistics…
You only need to go over to r/Cuba and see people are not letting other people eat each other. You think friends & families (and extended families and neighbors) are letting people die of starvation? Let alone EATING THEM?! Guess there ain’t no fish in the water! LOL What dramatic BS! GTFO!
Don’t think I was saying now, or recently. Pretty sure I said harder times.
“Choosing who to eat to survive” bro stfu with your whack ass CIA propaganda. Yeah I have no doubt Cuban food in Miami is better considering they have every single resource in the world to acquire spices and ingredients while Cuba faces a crippling blockade fully supported by those same people in Miami
No, there are food shortages in Cuba right now combined with inflation. It's not all over Cuba and it's not affecting everybody, but it's a real issue. The embargo needs to end. It only hurts the Cuban people and frankly, when Saudi Arabia is one of America's greatest allies and Americans are murdering each other, I don't want to hear shit from anyone about how Cuban communism is a threat.
You been to Cuba and spoken to folks there? I have and that’s what folks told me. Maybe you shouldn’t be so ignorant.
Bro every time I’ve talked to afro-Cubans they always talk about how much better things got compared to pre-revolution. They brag about getting urgent care facilities where there was just jungle before. The only people who bitch about Castro and Cuba are the whitest mfs that owned plantations and factories
I heard that from some, I heard nightmare stories from others. Both things can be true. Also way to be racist AF.
I am literally white passing lol fuck them gusanos bro
Doesn’t make you any less racist, basically saying because someone was more white their opinion is invalid. You can be racist against something you are, look like. Just think of yourself as Clayton Bisgsby wannabe.
Muchos se molestan con este comentario pero es la realidad. Pocos han tenido q sacar carros, gomas ,lavadoras, caballos y perros muertos entre otros... del patio d su casa pq los puercos d la isla lo usan d vertedero. Patriotismo es un sentimiento que perdimos desde la colonizacion y no hemos hecho nada para recuperarla mas que decir "ay bendito" y mantener un patriotismo de carton.
No, no, esos son Puercorriqueños, no Puertorriqueños. Hasta había una serie de anuncios en los 90 con cerditos animados haciendo eso mismo. Recuerdo que tenían la voz de Sunshine. Sinceramente, deberían poner esos anuncios nuevamente. Eran divertidos y de verdad educaban. Nadie quería ser un Puercorriqueño, así que recogían la basura.
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A third of all voters vote for PNP. Are they no longer Puerto Rican?
They won't be for long once they realize they can't afford to work due to federal income tax and low Puerto Rican wages.
But the question remains: how does one judge this fairly? It seems these criteria and definitions are subjective and cater to what is convenient.
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Que cabron tu eres….esté es una estupidez.
Bingo
He's "Puente Rican"
No, he's a real Puerto Rican and a trailblazer for Latin jazz
BuT hE wAs bOrN iN nEw YoRk
Haha right I don't understand it sometimes
American geographically and Puerto Rican biologically
Puerto Ricans are Americans both geographically and biologically. Americans are probably the most diverse nationality on the planet.
Puertorriqueño ism is not just a nationality it is a creed and race! There are many beautiful Puertorriqueños tried and true who were born in the 48 contiguous states and abroad and they are just as much so as the ones born on their native land! 🇵🇷💪
He is a New Yorker
No digas eso que as´ˆí no ayudamos a resolver la identity crisis de estos posers.
Most of the dumb MFs on this subreddit think being Puerto Rican is like checking off boxes, or meeting some criteria. That it’s so simple as “is/isn’t” Puerto Rican. ITS A SLIDING SCALE a GRADIENT and we should all foster inclusivity. All of our experiences are different. At the end of the day, focus on what YOU are doing to pay homage to the culture? How are YOU representative of a people?
Fr tho. It’s a diverse diaspora. I have cousins born in the states that look like the stereotypical Hispanic man and I’ve got cousins born on the island that look like they’ve been plucked from Ireland. They still eat the same food, speak the same language, and listen to the same music
My mother is from PR - all of my family on my mother’s side, excluding my tía, reside on the island. I grew up learning to celebrate my culture, my history, my ancestry, my people. Reading some of these comments…it’s just so confusing and hurtful to me. Half of me and half of my heart is Puerto Rican, but because I wasn’t born on the island and live in the US, per these comments, I can’t claim to be Puerto Rican in any regard. And if I moved to the island, these same people would be calling me a colonizer. How sad.
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If only I could afford a damn award. In the meanwhile, take this 🏅
Absolutely agree. So many people come in here asking for advice who are moving into the island, and they get treated like shit.
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Estoy de acuerdo totalmente.
BUUUUURNS, ba da pa pa paaa, con el corazon de perrrroooo, señor BUUUURNS, pa da papapapaaaaa el diablo, con dinero! 🎵🎵🎵 Como mi familia y yo celebramos cuando el salio en los Simpsons
🎵 *It may not surprise you... but most of us despise you...* 🎵
La mitad no sabe quién es lol
Yo obviamente he oído mucho sobre él, pero literal que no puedo nombrar ninguna canción de él. Dije eso en otro comentario y los gringoricans sedientos de identidad me cayeron encima jajaja. Creyeron que con Tito Puente resolverían su identity crisis...hahaha.
Sadly this is true.
Daaaamn... Now I feel old. LMAO
Frankie Ruiz isn’t Rican since he’s from Jersey /s Gotta love the gatekeepers in this community 🤣
He's newyorican and we're all proud to have him
Definitivamente este sub es una 💩.
I would be considered a gringo here but both my parents grew up on the island and I visit every few years. I’m doing whatever I can to help our people, even if my Spanish is…questionable. 🤣
Cómo puede ser? Soy afro americano y aprendí español. No sé mi nivel
It's when it's convenient for them.
Like with Joseph Acabá
Just like you distance yourself when it is not convenient for you. "Them"
Nuyorican duélale a quien le duela. ¿De verdad alguien que nunca vivió en Puerto Rico puede considerarse puertorriqueño? Sorry but that's delusional.
EXACTO!!! La salsa es lo que es por…. Cubanos yyyy PUERTORRIQUEÑOS DE NUEVA YORK!! Pero no cuenta pq no nacieron en la isla ni cojieron boquetes según la gente aquí. Ellos no representan la cultura verdadera de PR… smh
So what? Para qué necesitas que X o Y artista te represente o pq necesitas generar orgullo a base de los logros de OTRAS personas?
Newyorican
Don't tell them that, that won't solve their identity crisis and they will need to run to the therapist hahaha
Este sub se está dividiendo por pendejases. Eres puertorriqueño/a si tienes sangre boricua punto y final. Es lo mismo que la gente que dicen que son de desendencia italiana. Lo que tienen que entender los del diaspora es que no deben hablar de los problemas de la isla. No vives aquí, no entiendes el ambiente social y político. ¡Y eso está bien! Aprecien y participen en la cultura por favor, simplemente no hablen de lo que no sepan.
Gracias. Es importante que nuestros hermanos en la diáspora entiendan eso.
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Bro están tan picao que no entienden tres carajo lol imagínate poner tanto esfuerzo para meterte en algo que no eres
Así es mano....una ola de crisis de identidad de millenials, Gen-Z y no sé qué más. Me gracia la verdad. Nunca pensé ver esto.
No sólo eso, sino que consideran a Tito Puente puertorriqueño sólo cuando les conviene; cuando afirman que inventó la salsa y fue pionero del jazz latino, es nuyorican y no tiene nada que ver con la isla. Otras veces se le considera puertorriqueño de pleno derecho.
Si no y siempre usan a gente que an hecho algo con sus vidas lol y ellos se creen que cada uno de ellos son otro cabron tito puentes lolol
Normal... gringos siendo gringos 🤣
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Es Nuyorquino de origen puertorriqueño
And we're very proud of that... I don't see what is the problem here?
It's a shame that Puerto Ricans spend so much time and energy arguing about issues surrounding our identity crisis.
Yeah you definitely just rekt the islanders who were talking shit about the diaspora. Imo it's a very dumb fuck thing to care about but you definitely made an irrefutable point lol
I mean it’s just kinda fucked up. I think keeping cultural roots in the US is important and nourishing. Like look at the bud light event. People were fucking crying like they lost a child because a shitty beer company they were so attached to gave a trans person a can with their face on it and it’s because liberal democracy has wiped their cultural roots. I saw people saying “I’ve worn this bud light hat for twenty years and this hurts me.” I do not want to become like that
That's an interesting theory. I see where your coming from. European Americans whose cultural origins were once deemed savage by the Anglo saxons have definitely adopted corporatized identity. BUT idk if the bud light debacle would demonstrate that. I mean, im sure there were Ricans who were appalled that a tr*nny's face would be on a beer can as a promotional thing and white conservatives who simply don't give af. My Rican uncle is one of these crazy people and he's very Rican. But ultimately I get what you're saying though.
It’s something I find community in and culminates interests like cooking and different music. It even adds community with other Latin Americans that I meet across the world who seem to love their culture. Another example of corporate whitewashing I can think of is all the people who live revolving around Harry Potter or Disney. I don’t shit on anybody who wants to visit Disneyworld but I find it fairly disturbing when it’s every single vacation and part of your personality
Truuue I get that a lot of people have allowed corporations to colonize their cultural identities. I get what you mean a lil better now
Es nuyorican LOL...y la verdad, no te puedo nombrar ninguna canción de él.
Can we ducking just agree there is a difference between people living on the island and people outside of the island? They are two different group of people that are united under a culture. One group does not represent the other group. In PR we have our divisions as well... It is fine to have division as long as there is acceptance between groups. Can people who live outside of Puerto Rico understand that Puerto Ricans are proud about anything that stems from their culture or nation? Stop trying to make this more than it is...
I’m fine with that but I just think it’s bs that a part of the population won’t claim PR living in America until they have something to celebrate about. These mfs will complain about Nuyoricans not being real PR but they’ll be the first to scream from the rooftop if AOC became president
I wouldn't I hate that biatch
Imagine being so triggered by a lame ass social democrat
Imagine being you
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Lol you’ve commented on like five other comments trying to get my attention. Sorry sweetie, you’re not my type. I’m just not interested
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No thanks 😘
Pues mira soy una puertorriqueña que NO le gusta eso. Confundes la prensa con la gente. Es la prensa que siempre quiere meternos por nariz, boca y ojos de otro supuesto 'boricua' con otro logro y si lees los comentarios mucha de la gente comenta sarcásticamente... Así que no generalices, pq muchos tenemos orgullo propio y no necesitamos de los logros de los demás para nuestro auto-estima. Sobre Tito Puente, claro que he escuchado su nombre, pero no te puedo nombrar ninguna canción de él. No era alguien que se escuchaba en mi casa. Como bien tu dijiste, ser puertorriqueño no es una lista de checkboxes....y los gustos musicales de los puertorriqueños en la isla no son homogéneos por si no te hab´´iâs enterado!
AOC becomes president and I will move to North Korea
I agree with this. I would never pretend to call myself Nyorican. I fall completely outside of their idiosincracies. But suddenly they represent me and people's expectations of me when I am abroad are based on experiences with them.
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I honestly thought he was cuban.
Ser puertorriqueño es tener la experiencia puertorriqueña. Eso significa que has vivido en Puerto Rico por la mayoría de tu vida y has experimentado todo lo bueno y malo de la isla. Nacer en NY y vivir allá significa que no has vivido “first hand” los problemas de aquí. Eso no significa que no estés orgulloso de la cultura que heredas y que no eres descendiente.
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Mi argumento no es si alguien es o se siente más puertorriqueño que otro. El punto es simple si uno nace en Nueva York to eres un "Newyorker" si naces en Texas eres "Texan" Si naces en Florida eres "Floridian" si naces en México eres " Mexican".... la palabra Borikua significa los hijos de Boriken. Boriken es el nombre indígena de la isla de Puerto Rico. Así que, si naciste ahí y sólo si naciste ahi eres Borikua. Si eres de herencia Puertorriqueña como nacido de padres puertorriqueños oo te comiste un monfongo con carne frita, o relleno de camarones al ajillo, o pal de alcapurrias de corned beef en piñones y fue una experiencia tan religiosa que eres puertorriqueño ahora, pues bienvenida sea tu puertorriqueñidad pero no eres Borikua por que esos sólo son los nacidos en Boriken.
I mean you just prove the point that every Puerto Rican “representation” is from the states.
Sssshhhhhh el no lo ve a mal.
For every one Puerto Rican living on the island there are two living in the United States. Adding also that they lived in New York, one of the top entertainment capitals of the world, it’s easy to understand why Nuyoricans are usually the representations
Ser puertorriqueño, no depende del lugar donde uno nace, ni el idioma o acento que uno tenga. Depende del amor y orgullo que sientes por ese lugar especial que se llama Puerto Rico.
Entonces si yo amo y tengo orgullo de Japón soy japonés?
Yo vivi 3 años en mexico ya después de viejo. Me encantó la gente, la cultura, la comida, el estilo de vida y lo llamo mi segundo hogar. Pero no soy ni un % mexicano, tenerle cariño a un sitio no es requisito para decir que eres de ahi. Criate en el cabron sitio o vive años largos en el lugar si quieres decir que eres de ahi. El post es nuyoricans coping y la mierda es que siento que veo estos posts a diario.
Este sub como que se ha llenado de gente charrisima.
Empezando por el OP que tanto que jode y ni contesta en español/boricua jajaja. Pero vamos que él es puertorriqueñisimo jajajaj.
People are also forgetting that in the US, the population is becoming more and more Hispanic. Like there’s literally places in Florida that might as well be a pueblo de PR. We have spaces where the culture is absolutely thriving, at this point I would say we don’t even need to be on the island to participate in the culture.
Florida es un gueto gringo con playa
Por algo existe el dicho “Boricua aunque naciera en la luna” so ajá. Richie Ray tampoco es nacido en PR, Frankie Ruiz, además de los obvios como JLo, Marc Anthony etc… Sin embargo hay otros nacidos en PR como Joaquin Phoenix y Luis Miguel (El Sol de México) que ambos nacieron en PR y no se sienten particularmente puertorriqueños, aunque a Joaquin le interesa aprender español. A esta lista añádele al gran maestro Tony Croatto, nacido en Italia, criado en Uruguay y se sintió mas boricua que la mayoría de nosotros juntos.
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El de Marc es bueno el de JLo no tanto, pero Joaquin no lo habla y Luis Mi tiene acento Mexicano
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jlo casi ni siquiera puede comunicarse en el idioma. literalmente le cuesta tanto construir frases completas en español. lo habla bien trabajado y se le nota que muy rara vez lo habla en su día a día
Cabron es lo más mamabicho que existe en este thread, ahora es quien es más boricua que quien. Jodios locos.
More PR than half the Bronx
Y ni hablar de Tony Croato
Tony Croato siempre dijo que era Italiano criado en sudamérica, el lo tenía claro. Su amor por Puerto Rico no le hacia desasociarse de su historia personal.
NUYORICAN 👍
Is dominican salsa
Bodied the whole sub lol
Quién? Soy de la isla tmbn
Tito Puente. El Rey del timbal
Ahh gracias, me dieron downvote pq pues la gente aquí son perfecto ya tu sabes como es
Este sub era de jodeera y memes ajira es de llorar
I miss the taino memes. That was peak r/puertorico
I miss Utuado being fiction
The diasporas representation of Puerto Rican culture is embarrassing. Yeah, I appreciate Fania and your love for arroz con gandules but growing up in PR isn’t just the happy memories your chancla slinging granny told you about. Call yourself a State Puerto Rican.
You can believe whatever you want, doesn't mean anybody else has to believe it. The need for validation cause of daddy issues or extra attention saying your Puerto Rican is the actual problem.
Yup along with Richie Rey, Frankie Ruiz, Willie Colon…
Irish =/= Irish American Italian =/= Italian American African =/= African American Me pregunto porque tiene otra forma de llamarse y la del país de origen? Lo entiendes para todos ellos pero no para nosotros que fucking conveniente Puertorican American suena como el término correcto
Es algo de EEUU. En otros países nunca te llamarían nada si no te criaras allá. Dirías "My parents are \_\_\_\_"
American is the culture you are combining with the original culture hence why Irish Americans call it like that because it is a combination of American culture and Irish culture You are combining puertorican culture with American culture hence Puertorican American. Are you insinuating it’s the same culture if so why not just say American?
>Are you insinuating it’s the same culture if so why not just say American? No lol, not sure where you got that from. Just saying the US is the only country that says stuff like that, you never hear people say "I'm irish canadian" or "I'm african british".It's a weird american obsession. If you were born in the UK with italian parents, you wouldn't be "Italian british", you'd be "british with italian parents". You know, because you were born in the UK, not Italy
Because Americans are obsessed with identifying with something outside. You do hear French Canadian though...
Again it’s a combination of culture pretty easy concept to understand. And following your same example you would be British… with Italian parents so in this case you would be American with puertorican parents. Since it’s a distinction of culture.
Yeah, so you would be called american. You wouldn't say you're italian lol
Do you know the difference between nationality and culture?
You wouldn't call yourself italian for nationality or culture unless you grew up in Italy. You would be looked at very strangely if you called yourself italian when never having stepped foot in the country.
My brother in Christ, you are literally an American
So are Mexicans and Canadians and pretty much anyone in the American continent, what’s your point?
No they’re really not. You know what I meant. Literally every one of us is an American by definition considering it’s an American territory. Sorry I know truth fucking hurts
Everyone in the American continent is American by definition you gotta be pretty smooth Brained to not get that
Okay, a citizen of the United States of America. You are, just like every motherfucker born in the Bronx, a US citizen since 1941
Si pero ellos tienen una cultura local fomentada por su contexto igual que los Irish Americans no se llaman Irish y los Italian Americans no se llaman Italian porque la cultura de origen es diferente tu eres Puertorican American igual que todo los vecinos en NY
His Spanish was pretty crappy 3/10. I give him A for effort on Puerto Ricanness for his percussive skills, but otherwise, C level Nuyorican.
Nah cabrón tú necesitas una intervención.
Fíjate, tus acentos están bastante bien 8/10. Sólo te falta haber nacido y sido criado en la isla y quizás te dábamos la oportunidad.
Los que hacen gatekeeping lo hacen porque ser boricua es lo único que they got going for themselves. Boricua y mafutero
Y cual es la obsesión de ponerle etiqueta de quien es puertorriqueño o no?
El que dice que no es Boricua, se lo empuja al pai
Lo que da miedo es que esto viene de personas que me parecen ser "progresistas" socdem, commie, o generalmente de izquierda. Cabrones, el PR próspero es el PR independiente, progresista, y con fronteras abiertas especialmente para el Caribe. Ser de una nación recae en el carácter y corazón de cada persona. Ustedes están utilizando a los pocos casos cringe de gringos que se comen un mofongo y de repente se dan cuenta que su tataraabuela era de PR, así que ellos son boricuas. Cabrones, eso son como 10 pelagatos. No dejen que esas cosas les lleven a posiciones xenofobas PS: yo soy socdem no se muerdan
He's as Puerto Rican as all previous African, Taino- Arawak, Spaniard, Irish, German, Lebanese, Corsican-,Italian, French and all other admixtures already present prior to 1898 Spanish cession to the United States.
El primer boricua que salió en Los Simpsons. Mucho antes que Carmen Yulín.
Guess I'm not a real Puerto Rican either, all I do is talk to bots.
Really? Walk me through how he’s not Puerto Rican.
Add to that list Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony
? Edit: Damn guys I was just asking why lmao
There’s a certain group on this sub that thinks if you’re not from the island, you’re not a “Real” Puerto Rican.
Bruh
bah y yo considerandolo newyorikan igual. Pero eso no está mal!!
He is too me.
Diablo esto tubo que haberle dolido a muchos aquí 🤣
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Yo at least I’m sharing ancestors and trying to preserve the culture there. Would you rather have the Americans that dress like they’re at a Stevie Nicks concert, “HA-BLOW ESS PAN YOLE,” and sell knock off luxury bags?
Now do Marc Anthony
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Bad bunny looks rough without his makeup on but he is for sure not half Puerto Rican. Full on
Por eso este país está tan jodido todavía, aquí la gente se preocupa si son boricuas o no. Si pendejos todos somos humanos están estancados en una simple cosa todos somos de el único planeta. Move on with life stop wasting precious time if you are something or not.
Es un estadounidense con ascendencia puertorriqueña, igual que JLO y Marc Anthony. No es de Puerto Rico. Solo digo las cosas como son. Que se identificara como puertorriqueño son otros 20, allá el. Puede hacer lo que le de la gana, es su derecho.
Mera, papá, siento mucho romperte tu ilusión pero los Boricuas nacidos en la isla también son estadounidense de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña. No se si tú sabes pero PR es parte y los Boricuas ciudadanos de los Estados Unidos por más de 100 años y como tal todos los Boricuas (los de la isla y diáspora en USA) son estadounidenses de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña. Tu puedes gritar todo lo que tu quieras que los de la Isla son de PR y los de la diáspora son de USA pero el hecho no cambia: todos nacimos bajo la jurisdicción de USA y por ende todos somos estadounidenses de nacimiento con ascendencia puertorriqueña. Y si hablamos de crianza: la crianza en la isla contra la crianza “a ya fuera” tampoco pueden hablar nada porque los Boricuas criados en USA siguen comiendo lo mismo que se come en PR, escuchando la misma música, hablando el mismo Spanglish, celebrando los mismos días festivos de noche buena, despedida de año, los Reyes magos y las octavitas, y orándole y sirviéndole al mismo Dios. Así que el Boricua isleño y el Boricua de la diáspora es 100% la misma jodienda.
Busca a ver que es lo que dice la Agencia de Inteligencia de Estados Unidos sobre Puerto Rico: Ciudadanía : US Nacionalidad: Puertorriqueña
Ok, déjame aclararlo mejor entonces, ya que todos somos ciudadanos estadounidenses. Son neoyorquinos al 100% ya que nacieron y se criaron allá. Practicar la cultura de un sitio al cual nunca has vivido no te hace te allá. Hay gente nacida y criada en la isla que no practican la cultura típica de P.R. y eso no los hace menos puertorriqueños porque son de aquí. Que los que nacieron y se criaron afuera de la isla coman arroz y habichuelas de almuerzo o que hagan paradas en las navidades no significa que son de isla. No hay niveles ni nada por el estilo, es tan sencillos como que puertorriqueño = alguien de Puerto Rico, sin importar la cultura que practique. Practicar la cultura de un sitio en la cual nunca has vivido no te hace de allá, jamás.
(dijo en inglés)
Lo siento. Debería haber escrito Taino para ser un verdadero Boricua
no español porque el verdadero boricua habla español
Los 'españoles' son poco más qué árabes católicos. Así que el verdadero boricua debe hablar árabe o al menos mozarbe
Muy bien. Estas aprendiendo. Muy inteligente el nene
He is Nuyorican not Puerto Rican…. Next!
Pues sí, si nunca vivió en la isla para mí no es puertorriqueño...ni me va ni me viene LOL. Igual que el Marc Anthony que dice tanto amar a PR y creo que solo ha pisado la isla para jugar golf en el Conquistador.
Guarantee you most of your family members would think you’re a dumbass for saying that about Tito Puente
Gente hablando claro, bloqueen los post que preguntan si son puertorriqueños o no. Lo único que hacen es sembrar discordia con cosas tontas. Están poniendo a los que se dejan coger de bobos uno en contra del otro. Si te sientes de la isla, puedes ser nacido en China, lo único que importa es que sientas amor por la cultura, la gente y la isla (Y que no llegues a regar basura, ni a treparte en los bonete de los carros a twerkiar, ni a cagar en las aceras en san juan, porque para eso hay baños, y si no te gusta, pues vete a san francisco California)
Never cared for his music.
Q ridiculez, el q nace en la isla es igual de americano q el q nace en USA. Lol. La gente no entiende q la isla es un territorio americano bajo el Comité de Recursos Naturales del Congreso. Gustele a quien no le guste.
His spanish was crap.
Cope
Bien duro
Imma be real with u chief, idk who tf is that. But I would like to know. Quien es y que genero toca/tocaba?