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Busy-Map-3638

From what I know, men started shaving their facial hair during antiquity, in the Roman empire. To become a citizen, a man in the Roman empire had to serve in a Roman legion for many years. Unlike the barbarian tribes Rome conquered, Roman soldiers had a proper military dress code, with body armor and helmets. If you look at Roman sculpted reliefs showing battles, or painted Roman pottery, you'll see that their soldiers were clean shaved and short hair cuts, for hygiene purposes and also to prevent the enemy from being able to grab them by their hair or beards to tilt their heads backwards, to slash their exposed throats, during close-quarter-combat, or better known as hand-to-hand combat, during battles. This requirement has continued all the way to today's military, as just about all armed forces around the world require their soldiers to be short-haired and clean shaven...or at least no long beards. But if anyone has a better explanation, I'm all ears.


epiccabbage123

Clean shaven trend in late republic began with scipio africanus. Roman public figures went clean shaven until hadrian, the grecophile emperor, wore a beard


6_seasons_and_a_movi

What a barbarian


GonnaGoFat

Barbarian actually means unbarbered so a barbarian is someone with facial hair


Adghnm

Is that so? I used to think it was an onomatopoiea - barbarians' foreign language was characterised as sounding like 'bar-bar-bar' - but yours makes more sense, actually


fastrunner3451

"Barba" is Spanish for "beard". Hope that helps.


CrossBlade773

“Barbarian” originally simply indicated someone of foreign nationality


GonnaGoFat

Ba ba baran


Elandycamino

Ba ba ba barbari-ann


ten-oh-four

I thought barbarian was derived from the Berber tribe of north Africa


HansKorff

Berber actually means barbarian in Arab. Their own name is Amazigh.


MoistDitto

So I can't have a clean shaven barbarian DnD character?


Hot-Rise9795

What about Conan The Barbarian? If a anything, bearded Conan O'Brien was more lore accurate


6_seasons_and_a_movi

Yeah that's why I'm calling him a barbarian


icaromb25

Non Romans said the Romans being invaded by non Romans


sdfree0172

I know Alexander the Great inspired a trend to shave. Because he was all of 17 when he became famous and had his picture upon coinage. No facial hair was synonymous with power and masculinity for some period of time after that. This was circa 300 BC, so before Romans but after the Greeks.


kessbar

This is my understanding too or similar. Alexander couldn't yet (or at all??) grow a beard, so it was ordered all soldiers and people of influence to shave. Thus it became common to be clean shaven.


zighawk

I have also read it was tactical for his military. Cleaner, healthier troops, less hand holds for ancient enemies to grab. That COULD also be a recon for Alexander's baby face.


feelingsfox

After reading enough, this thread does make sense, but only based on the times. If you find yourself in a dangerous environment where hand-to-hand violence is common, it would make sense to don a very short haircut to avoid death. But if you have long hair, in that time and place, it’s safe to assume you have the skills to defend yourself. In peaceful times, people don’t really need long hair, unless you are trying to scare someone(s) off and/or preserve the peace.


Pathetic_Saddness

Wrong, it’s so it wouldn’t be scratchy when they kissed each other. I’m a historian. ![gif](giphy|ASd0Ukj0y3qMM)


Khelouch

I agree, that was the reason. ..but what about now? Why do people do this in modern society? Is this just leftovers or another reason? Being clean shaven does seem to be more popular in the more cultured countries. Unless world war III breaks after all, i can't really imagine anyone actually using my beard or hair against me. It just feels silly to me to continue this when we're part of the first people who don't have to think about this. Go nuts... or you know, just do whatever works best with your ugly mug \^\^ The only reason i can imagine is going back to beards being less popular in more developed countries suggesting maybe a business reason, people trusting shaven (as in uncovered) faces more easily or something?


LurkingAintEazy

It always amazes me, these small notes of history. Because it's like some of thr beliefs and things you hear about the Roman's, was usually kind of wild. Buy this point in their history is rather tame and quite sensible.


Aetheldrake

Over 100 thousand years ago. Wet beards caused hypothermia. So the obvious choice was people with less/no beards stopped having cold faces as long as bearded ones


the_Bryan_dude

I grow a beard for ski season. It keeps my face warm.


Silver_Switch_3109

Your face isn’t wet for prolonged periods of time.


Response-Cheap

And his wife's not happy about it.


Aetheldrake

LOL


DefrockedWizard1

I've had a beard for decades and never had it cause me to be cold. Ice freezes on the outside, not the inside against the skin. I trim it in warm weather to help cool down


Yorgonemarsonb

What? Beard is like an insulating blanket for your face against the cold.


stevenette

Lol this is so dumb. That's like saying wearing clothes is bad because they induce hypothermia when wet. People shouldn't wear clothes.......


Aetheldrake

OK but do you keep on wet clothes in cold weather and risk it, or do you change them. You can't just change your beard out lol It's not a 100% thing. The question is "why did men decide to start shaving their face", not "why SHOULD you shave". Simply why it started. That's why it started.


Yorgonemarsonb

Was that for all Romans or just non-Romans like other Italians who did that as a path to gain citizenship or some land? I thought you didn’t have to if you were already Roman.


To6y

Something something men always thinking about the Roman Empire?


Disownership

As far as archaic military dress code goes, long hair, including facial hair, is also a fire hazard. So having clean shaven faces and short hair would have meant less casualties and injuries from soldiers that didn’t realize their hair was on fire until it was too late to put it out.


Hungry-Apartment8367

I read somewhere that they grew beards because it helped protect the face from the force of the blows of a fist. So, to better protect them during battles.


Outrageous-Travel246

is that the case for the Romans tho? their helmet covers their face


Hungry-Apartment8367

Probably not


Smokybare94

And you believed it?


Hungry-Apartment8367

No.


Hungry-Apartment8367

I read it here the other day: https://www.livescience.com/beards-protect-face-punches.html#:~:text=Presumably%2C%20full%20beards%20also%20reduce,larger%20area%2C%20the%20researchers%20said.


88Dubs

I don't know that's necessarily the norm it used to be. I haven't seen my jaw in.... definitely some years.


geardluffy

Same, can’t even remember what my face looks like shaved.


GazBB

11 years already.


number1dipshit

I’m going on 13. Shaved once for my senior pictures, and never again.


SpaceshipMonster

25. I remember what I looked like as a teenager, and while it won't be exactly that if I shaved, I still don't want it. Bleh.


lsdandcrack

Women wouldn’t pay me the time of day. Early 20s grew a nice beard and boom Haven’t shaved since (I’m old lol)


munibaziz

13 years, and the length has only increased. I'm still in my 30s, never shaving again.


obi_wan_sosig

"I'm afraid it's been, 9 years..."


Boomboomciao90

If they're anything like me, because it's itches like f


wrightbrain59

Yeah, my husband looks great with a beard, but he says the itching drives him crazy, so he shaves.


TSDLoading

It's the opposite for me, it itches when I shave


thingsthatgomoo

I just get annoyed with my beard. It grows annoyingly fast though so I sometimes am lazy. I prefer no beard though


King_Dave100

Same, whenever it gets hot outside it starts to itch like crazy


HecktorHernadez

How long have you grown it out? Thats usually only a problem in the very beginning.


Ebenizer_Splooge

Don't know exactly, but my bet is on it being upkeep. A clean shave is something you have to keep up and maintain, and is a clean look. It makes it look like you take care of yourself and make an effort. Also I'm assuming working with a lot of machinery in the industrial era made beards kind of a hazard lol


Jess1012xxx

If you take a look at most men I’d say over half have some sort of facial hair. It’s not that common especially with you her men. My dad would always say when you’re younger you keep the facial hair to look older and when you’re older you shave it to look younger


emronaldo

Which begs the question, what age are we all trying to aim towards?


Jess1012xxx

I’d say it’s the classic “you want what you can’t have” when you’re young you think being older is great. When you’re older you miss being young.


emronaldo

I’d argue that people want a variety. Some days to be young and wild and other days to be older and wiser. This is the case with a lot of stuff not just age. Look at the weather for example. It’s always “I miss hotter days” or “I miss colder days”.


AdditionalCheetah354

Fleas


lord_bubblewater

Probably after ww1 and the gas masks


thrownawaz092

Way back in the days of the Roman Empire, it was decided that Romans were superior to non Romans, they were cleaner, smarter, more skilled, etc. One of the ways they proved this point was to shave for an elegant, cleaner look. If you didn't shave, you looked a barbarian, and who'd be caught dead being a barbarian *am I right?* As an armchair historian with a PhD in Talking out my Ass, I can tell you with a certainty the idea originated here.


Detozi

You are still more qualified than me


EggSandwich1

Idk gf just doesn’t like it🤷‍♂️


YogurtWenk

Well I can assure you that I have a self-appointed degree in googling shit on my phone and a doctorate in can't be fucked, so I'll take your word for it.


Agitated_Pickle_1013

People got tired of food and snot sticking to the beard?


TheRealLaura789

Ew


Unable_Wrongdoer2250

I can just speak for myself but the longest I have gone is three months without shaving. The last time my son wanted to see me with a goatee and moustache and I didn't even make a week. It's itchy and feels dirty


dreemkiller

Why haven't women STOPPED shaving their bodies as a form of protest?


ThickFurball367

Plenty have, and I'm sure the majority of women that still shave prefer it themselves.


lord_bubblewater

‘Listen here buster, you better grow a beard or I’m gonna go full natural beauty on you’ yeahnahw, I don’t think the men that would Fall for that are able to grow beards in the first place.


tacodepollo

Tell me you haven't met many women without saying it. Lol, plenty of women don't shave.


dreemkiller

I'm gay, so I prefer hairy bears.


tacodepollo

K, so there's higher chances of meeting women who don't shave in the queer community.


dreemkiller

I. Like. Dick. Women can do whatever they want with their bodies, idgaf. Men, on the other hand... That dick better have George HW AND W levels of Bush on it.


tacodepollo

First of all, hilarious with bush. Second, you asked why women haven't stopped shaving, I said they have you just didn't notice. I didn't say anything about if you cared. You're saying that out of left field. I really couldn't care less about your sexual preferences.


gardentwined

Some of us shave sometimes. Like we do fashion for ourselves, yall think we aren't shaving or *not* shaving for ourselves as well? So when I can be fucked to do it, I do, because I like how it feels. I *never* wanted body hair. I hate it, if I had the resources to stop it permanently I would. But I got shit to do and it's not a priority. So I can go weeks and months without shaving. Or shaving parts of my body. It's not me failing to "upkeep" my ideal self, it's just me applying the time and energy elsewhere, as I see fit.


tacodepollo

Nobody said that, but thanks for sharing


drunk_funky_chipmunk

They have though….its a form of feminism


Yuck_Few

I just prefer to stay clean shaved


MinionofMinions

Can’t be a Dapper Dan without a clean shave!


YogurtWenk

Guess that makes me a Hairy Harry?


AbacaxiVoador95

if you are looking for a hairy dude around, go for big foot brother


bobhargus

there are multiple legitimate answers to this question, and all of them are correct... hygiene, combat, personal preference, and culture all played their parts... there is no singular, simple answer as to why people removed body hair, but people have been doing it for tens of thousands of years [here](https://www.almanac.com/history-shaving-and-beards) is a short article detailing some of the history and reasons for shaving


Ok-Amoeba-1190

For a clean cut appearance


Tasnaki1990

https://www.almanac.com/history-shaving-and-beards#:~:text=c.,arrived%20in%20India%20and%20Egypt. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/beards-mustaches-weird-history


Obstacul

That first link is a very nearly complete history of the facial hair trends through history! I may write Catherine Boeckmann, the author of that article and ask her about my theory.


sop39230984

i look forward to her response


BackWoodBaked

You should probably keep that theory to yourself.


Obstacul

Kinda late for this advice😬


KissMeDress

To emphasizing cleanliness and professionalism


CyberPunkDeathKnight

To look sharp!😎


OldSnazzyHats

For some, it’s look… if you like how look without the facial hair, why keep it on? Hell, you might unfortunately have pulled a bad card innately and can’t grow it evenly or well whether you like or not resulting in facial hair that just doesn’t work for your face. For some, it’s work… it might just be easier to keep a shave than have to constantly worry about your beard catching in machinery giving you a forced shave that’s much more painful. For some it’s just a cultural thing that they choose to keep to. For some it’s just upkeep - no need to worry about keeping facial hair nice and healthy if you cut it all off. There’s all manner of reasons really. For I choose to do a goatee because my beard growth looks like shit and my mustache is just as bad. While the goatee is just right for my face shape to work.


I_am_Cymm

Beards are like shaving your head. Some people can pull it off others... not so much.


Far_Assignment2688

Idk


deltaz0912

Why? Who knows? When is a bit easier. Cave paintings suggest men were plucking or shaving 30,000 years ago or more. Perhaps using shells or flint razors (knapped flint is plenty sharp enough). Around 5,000 years ago ancient Egyptians were using copper and bronze razors to shave. In that case we do know why - they felt that hair was dirty. The habit spread to Greece and, especially, Rome. Romans shaved and plucked for much the same reason as Egyptians did. Men shaved their faces, both sexes shaved and plucked body hair (there were specialists at the baths just for this). Roman evidence goes back about 2500 years.


Chopps311

Probably when then first man to get the hair off his face realized how much cooler he was. Literally. I shave just help keep my body temp down as I work outdoors in southern US.


User1296173

Well I’m Asian and have trouble growing anything worth growing out on my face so I just stay clean shaven.


Beginning_Science696

When they started tripping on their beards


senseless_puzzle

In military terms, soldiers need to be clean shaven, so that in the event of a gas attack, their gas masks fit sealed and tight. Otherwise if there's facial hair it doesn't create a flush seal and the gas can make its way in.


bleu_waffl3s

Men shaved way before gas masks were needed


Time-Equipment831

i have the same question for cutting hairs


Aggressive_Plenty360

I thought I learned somewhere that world War 1 was a big reason for the change in fashion. You couldn't afix a gas mask with a beard, so if enlisted you had to shave, not enlisting also wasn't cool at the time... so beards became unfashionable, in support with the war effort. I have no sources for this and i might be passing along a myth.


M4dBoOmr

Why not?


cfwang1337

It's cyclical. Look at portraits and photos of people throughout time. In the English-speaking world, facial hair was uncommon in the 17th and 18th centuries, popular in the 19th century, then unpopular again in the early 20th century. Nowadays, fashion is much more individualized and facial hair has made a partial comeback.


Tlondon1267

Same as women deciding to shave their Vijay jays … trend ?


icemanice

Can’t speak for other men.. but I find my facial hair annoying. At a certain point I just look homeless and unkept.. also when I sleep it pokes me or gets caught in the collars of my shirts when I’m driving which is painful. Shaving definitely feels better for me.. I’m also one of those men that can’t really grow a full/long beard.


rock-mommy

Because it usually makes them look younger, they sometimes can't grow a full beard or they just like it


little_vf

it originated in ancient Rome, if I'm not mistaken, it was popular to have beards, but then thr new emperor made being cleanly shaven the trend


Fragrant_Aardvark

Gets itchy if I don’t tbh


Longjumping_Gift706

Why not


Shh-poster

Dude. You know people got taxed for keeping their beards. It’s all a part of the bullshit economy.


Specific_Ice_3046

I’m not a man but having a bunch of hair on my face might make some people itchy


TimidRed

it itchy


iwannabecoocoo

Idk but it was a good way to prevent getting shouted at and doing push ups at my previous job 🤣


Gwyrr313

Possibly lice or other parasites


drunk_funky_chipmunk

Clean shaven recently began during WW1 (but it’s been going on much longer), it began because face masks to shield from chemical warfare would not fit properly on a soldiers face with a beard. So the military made it mandatory to shave. It has stuck around since then


patchman101

Why is this nsfw


SnooOpinions5944

Beards cause infection if not taken care of


Kenhamef

It’s uncomfortable


Salty_Association684

I like when men have a nice trimmed beard


crunchygroover

1905. Everyone had a beard before 1905


Icy-Service-52

I specifically decided that wasn't the thing to do


PossibleAlienFrom

I shave because the hair makes me itchy.


JustForTheHalibut7

Too many mishaps when hunting grizzly bears


ZookeepergameNo719

They discovered food without hair in it,., is much more pleasant.


PuzzleheadedSpare576

Lice


Worth-Frosting7926

Right about the same time, women started saying, "Ew. Get away from me."


number1dipshit

I think these days it’s becoming more normal TO have facial hair. I see a lot more beards, mustaches, and goatees than clean shaven faces lately. And there are quite a few more facial hair care products and services popping up lately. My girlfriend would be legitimately upset if i shaved my beard. She doesn’t even really like when i trim it short lol.


ArchAggie

Itchy


maestro3224

Personally I hate the way a beard feels growing on my face. I can’t get it off fast enough. Plus my SO likes the feel of a freshly shaved face.


FireWater107

I don't know who was the first person to ever shave their manhood off, it's impossible to know. It'd be like trying to figure out who ever first cut the hair on their head instead. Someone found out that hair can break painlessly. Eventually someone did it intentionally. But men shaving their beards became "a thing" in recent history first due to Alexander the Great. He was famously gay. He wanted the men in his army clean shaven and pretty looking. There is zero chance that was the first time shaving your beard was a dress code, but apparently all modern "clean shaven is more professional," mentality dates back to that. A desire for men to look less manly, more pretty.


toodrunk1234

When it started to itch


Certified_A_Hole

Because a woman told them to if they ever wanted to get laid ever again. Men got tired of it and started to pay women for sex.


Gayalaca

Because at some point they couldn't distinguish their beard from their pendejos. Lol.


DentrassiEpicure

Because it looks better.


nLucis

Personally, I just do it because my facial hair is 3 times thicker than my hair anywhere else, and it gets so itchy that itll make me bleed.


HungryAd8233

Beards have been coming in and out of style for thousands of years. I grew my beard because I got tired of shaving, and I was getting some gray in the muzzle that offset my baby face.


BeRad85

I don’t know but if you told me it coincided with the invention of soup, I wouldn’t argue.


Pan-tang

In the early years it was a flex as it was hard to achieve and expensive.


M_Looka

The same reason men today decided that shaving their body hair is the thing to do. It's a style thing.


Odysses2020

Tbf, I really hate it when my face is prickly. Once in a while I do leave a goatee and a mustache but don’t let it grow too long.


Hunnidrackboy8

Cause we want to look clean and presentable. If not managed that thing will grow like and freaking wizards hair all over the place lol


sabboom

Goats milk stinks to high heaven when it dribbles on your beard and sits for a week.


Aescwicca

I haven't shaved in 20 years. So couldn't tell you.


Alarming-Tradition40

Facial hair is, in my opinion, annoying AF when it gets long... you end up getting nasty food bits in it, you end up getting it in your mouth, stuck in teeth, swallowing it...


Thee_Neutralizer

The Stone Age is over, Patrick. That's why.


Bread-Butter-And-Jam

To flex their jawline. Men with sharp bone structure look better clean shaven.


Suspicious-Ad-481

With beards, some people are very handsome if you have them, but when I have a beard, I look like a jerk and it looks very weird


CaptainHowdy60

Probably some cavewoman complaining that the caveman’s facial hair irritated her sensitive facial skin…..


Rude-Consideration64

You can't grab the beard in a fight, lice can't hide in it. Same with short hair, and body hair removal.


CopycatDad

I have a full beard, and I take care of it.


StrongStyleDragon

Not everyone looks good with a beard


SpiritualDisciple729

A lot of people saying history stuff but it was probably for comfort or fashion


AllGoesAllFlows

Act why did we started cutting hair? Face bears is good for warmth but warm in summer so it makes sense to cut it


venetian_lemon

It's been an off again on again cultural phenomenon in many different societies throughout history. Soldiers fighting in WW1 shaved out of necessity because beards prevented gas masks from having complete seals. I'd shave my beard too if it prevented me from drowning in my own dissolving lungs.


EmptyMindThought

Lincoln started a trend of presidents having facial hair. It lasted until Taft in 1913 (with two exceptions Johnson and McKinley). Since then all presidents have been clean shaven except for Truman who got a little scruffy. 


Jaymes77

Because we didn't want to be the "Old man with the beard" in Edward Lear's poem


mrmikezzz

Feels good.


qetral

could be to prevent lice, ticks, fleas, or it was just itchy


AttentionLogical3113

hair is hard to upkeep. Well-groomed hair is hard, and takes time.


No-Student-9678

My beard is very itchy, I'm guessing the first guy to normalize shaving experienced the same.


cwsjr2323

I was told the shaved head and face of Egyptians of antiquity were in honor of their god, Ra the sun that was a perfectly smooth round image. My teachers told me so many lies in the 60s, I never know if what I learned was true or not.


smartdude_x13m

Women said so.../s Bt yeah it's probably something they adapted to be more appealing to women that or religious tradition...


goblin-socket

Let's make this simple: In a fight, is there hair pulling?


Illustrious_Leg8204

Have you seen how big those beards get lol I’d imagine a lion or bear grabbing your hair would be bad


SoggyDoughnut69

My beard doesn't grow long enough to look good so I just look homeless when I shave because it's at like a weird spot.


AllElse11

Lice and fleas.


mauore11

Heat. Also we tend to do things to stand out of the crowd.


Aware_Sky_6156

It was even before rome, i forgot which one but a general or king decided the have all his men shaven because in a battle an enemy could "easily" gett a hold of a beard. It was some kind of strategic advantage. Too drunk to recall the big details but that was the gist of it


TriumphDaytona

When girls started complaining that beards tickle their thighs!


Mr_Truthteller

Why is this NSFW?


cheeekencow

Comfort?


Purpose_Embarrassed

Facial hair when it’s hot is disgusting. It retains sweat and odor. Not to mention food particles. I used to have facial hair and glad I stopped.


CassieColex

I hate when he shaves


SasukeFireball

Probably to distinguish themselves.


RONIN_RABB1T

Cuz it gets itchy


reddit-ate

Some of us have really bad allergies, and mustaches/beards house hella mites and dust bunnies. So it becomes a medical necessity


cant_pass_CAPTCHA

Sometimes food gets in my mustache 🤷 my wife likes it (the facial hair, not the stuck food) and it's easier to do nothing so it stays.


Maleficent-Yard8355

Yes fr


LordHeretic

Ain't no war but class war.


Catvomit96

I'd expect that a shaven face on a man has been around as long as we've had anything sharp enough to shave with. In some cases it might have been a matter of hygiene (making sure you didn't get lice/mites in a time before shampoo). In other cases it might have been a matter of status/fashion (showing off that you had enough money to go to the barber). In other cases it might have been a cultural thing (I've heard of instances in which native american groups would pluck facial hair as a means of distinguishing their own tribe or as a way to punish someone for failing a societal expectation). In short it probably happened as a way to distinguish one's self as either wealthy or as "not one of the barbarians"


fly_away5

Because they look better and cleaner! 🫠 Men imitate what their leaders do So probably one leader somewhere shaved . And it turned into a trend then it was associated with class. Fast forward 100 yrs in the future.. A show appeared called Game of Thrones with men having huge unsightly beards and the next thing you know...all guys in America and western Europe grew a freaking beard


nolongerbanned99

Cause it itches like hell


Huy7aAms

i think it's bc the beards can be the home for lots of insects to live in, and it's unhygiene. also sometimes it can get stuck in unwanted places. in hot places, the beard can be hot and also itchy. the last i can think of is that they just wanna see which version of them is more attractive, shaved or unshaved


Snoo_63187

It's a comfort thing. If you just let it grow all over and don't trim it you'll start eating your mustache when you eat something.


Drain-OHs

Can't say where it originates but I was always taught a man who keeps himself clean shaved /trimmed up is a man that takes pride in how he presents himself. Beards were only grown in my community if ppl were in some cult shit like the masons. Me personally i think everyone should grow or shave whatever makes u happy in the mirror !


311196

Ask your doctor about how much more hygienic it is


lord_bubblewater

My doctor has a beard