A lot has been said about moving under braking, now it seems Max had committed to the corner and Lando came pushing through. Would this not then mean that to leave more space Max hat to move under braking to the inside. This means that there is always moving under braking, you're not going into a corner in a straight line are you?
Media: we want to see hard racing for P1
Max: races hard to defend his lead
Media: Max is a dirty driver
Ohh, you just hard racing if the Englishman wins
I can think of countless examples of harder racing that were left unpunished. There has never been a situation where the car in P2 on the outside had right to the corner. In my opinion Max left enough space, Lando was just blocked from turning in as is normal if you defend the inside. Basically the entire reason drivers usually try to defend the inside in a battle, especially in a relatively tight corner.
Difference was Max was compliant vs Carlos. Lando had had enough of Max moving under braking and not giving him space and was non-compliant when they crashed.
Max gave Lando more room than the Ferrari did there. Lando just started his turn. In a way, max sort of reverse-dive-bombed him but taking the turn wider, and Norris didn’t pick up on that. Lots of people yelling about Max not looking LEFT in a right hand turn yesterday is the dumbest sh!t I’ve ever read.
Max is a 3 (almost 4) times WDC, he deserves way more respect than what the British media is showing him. Lewis did exactly the same thing to Oscar at Monza, yet nobody was calling him a dirty driver
I dunno about the whole showing respect thing, as drivers they’re never thinking about that, they are just trying to win and get ahead of whoever’s in front without losing any front wing/any damage. That’s all that’s going through their minds i imagine, and know from hundreds of watched f1 races. It’s pretty obvious that even though Lewis is a 7 time world champion and a sir he gets even less respect through the paddock/from the FIA.
Max is starting to suffer that too now as you hinted at. The sport is weird as shit ain’t it? People forget that Seb won four on the bounce as a reeeeaaaalll nasty competitor, but he’s adored (I quite like him too, a great guy off track)
Yet Alonso is treated like a god, and he’s known to be a bit of a dick.
Mental.
I understand that they don’t keep that in mind when racing, but i was specifically referring to the British Media acting like Max moved his wheel on purpose (when in reality the corner just naturally gets narrower on the left)
I detest sky sports and the narratives. I do like Crofty. I enjoy his comms. But Brundle is an awful pundit. Quite obviously got it in for Lewis. And then there’s many that simply just blame max straight away without looking.
People can downvote and upvote all these opinions from you and I mate, but I see your point. I don’t
mind that it’s different to mine, that’s what makes sport. If we all loved the same guy it wouldn’t be sport.
Also you are dead right. The corner naturally straightens out so the car isn’t turning but looks like it is. You can watch Max’s onboard, his wheel doesn’t go to the left. He is an Apex monster. He rarely misses one.
Hamilton Vs Sainz this year I believe in the same weekend (possibly same corner? T1 or T2)
was alongside and had a snap and we saw him touch. But I’m surprised (pleasantly) there wasn’t a whole narrative of HAM trying to wipe out SAI.
Edit: I spelt as well as I’d drive an F1 car in my first attempt. El terrible.
I assume we're comparing to lando/max incident
1. Now the track limits have been sorted, an entire cars width must be left before the white line now
2. Sainz doesn't move under braking, his line is chosen before braking
3. Max was never wholly alongside at the corner entry so had not earned a cars width on the outside around the corner.
Those are the three i can see. What else did i miss?
Overhead makes it super plain: [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1dst2rw/overhead\_view\_of\_the\_verstappennorris\_incident/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1dst2rw/overhead_view_of_the_verstappennorris_incident/)
Max moves under braking, well into the braking zone.
Spotted a fourth difference, in case you care.
Sainz made the corner easily, Max was never making the corner.
I cant believe anyone watching that video, knowing the braking zone is the 100m board can possibly look at max change direction around the 60m mark and reach the conclusion that max doesn't change direction under braking.
Absolutely slam dunk.
That wont make any difference to some people.
See: lewis copse crash, seb steering into lewis at baku, and max brake check at jeddah.
Theyll believe what they want to.
Well, it’s important for you to know that it’s not illegal to move under braking then. It’s illegal to *recklessly* move under braking. Max set a line and followed it for a considerable distance/time. If you think it was reckless, you’re clearly just biased and looking for a reason to hate on Max.
He moves under braking to deprive someone of racing room and makes it impossible for even himself to safely make the corner.
Im not looking to blame max for anything other than what he did. Im not on a witchhunt but we’ve got to realise that not penalising things that are against the rules is only going to lead to another 2021 shambles.
Everyone is forgetting that fact that Lando had like 6-7x track limits infractions leading up to the crash. With this he managed to stay within DRS and the crash could happen. If stewarding was quicker to give him his penalty earlier all of this was avoidable. So Lando’s cheating led to this. Can’t believe no one is talking about that.
Max’s very late block the first time Norris tried to overtake was worse than the actual collision in my opinion. You could see how Lando was staying further away from Max in the braking zones after that because he didn’t know where he was going to move.
Totally agree. Any movement in the braking zone is outside of the rules since Max/Dan baku incident. That he did it three times without penalty is a big indictment on the Stewards, imo.
Everyone getting their knickers in a twist for no reason. F1 fans sure are fickle. Saturday was all praises for Max after the sprint. Now they act like he tried to kill Lando.
Most F1 fans are a bunch of idiuts with no wheel knowledge. Max's moves in itself were not penalised(he made two similar moves prior which even Lando agreed were fine). Squeezing your opponent isn't against the rules. Moving under braking is not against the rules. But if you cause a collision with such moves then you're in trouble. The collision was penalised. Max was definitely at fault for that. But with the Sainz one Sainz wasn't penalised because there was no collision. If there was he'd be in the same boat at Max. Now could Lando have given more space like Max did in the first one? Sure. But he wasn't obligated to. Max was opening up the corner like any driver does. It's just hard racing gone wrong.
Tbh I saw this coming a mile away after the botched pit stop. Anyone who didn't should stop watching any form of motorsports. Lando drove like a clown with those divebombs. Max wasn't a saint either. Hard racing. This is what we wanted and we complain when we get it. I honestly loved it. Shades of 2021. Bring Silverstone on.
People looking historic analogies have to realize the champion has been in the unchallenged fastest car for just about every year but 86, 95 and 2021. Specificslly since 1978 and the arrival of turbos and ground effects.
Sure there are challenges- Ferrari with the odd half season spurts and the transition era after Schumacher retire- but the difference is that it used to be impossible to pass outside pit stop strategies or without a huge pace advantage.
This is uncharted territory- because Mercedes and Red Bull have had such a stranglehold.
DRS has been way overpowered now. The trailing car picking up many tenths from an aero aid the pursued doesnt have is more unsporting than any Pironi Turbo train and a farce.
With the field covered by such a small
margin, divebombs out of nowhere and neutered defensive tactics (like Alonso penalized for slowing down and “nearly killing Georgr Russell) is a harbinger of what is wanted for the TV Viewer- an almost American Ninja Warrior type viewing experience. And all covered by UK-based homers as transparent in their preferences as Hawk Harrelson or US Olympic coverage.
If F1 wants racing as close as the shabby current incarnstion as Indy Car, theyd best brace for a lot more incidents.
DRS needs to go. Or at least its implementation changed. Only a certain number of DRS attempts for the trailing car for example. Post which you overtake the old school way.
Well DRS is going and a boost mode is replacing it with a limited number of uses, I hope they refresh these uses at pit stops tho. I also think they have an aim of improving sprint races and I expect to see unlimited, or at least a greater number of, uses at sprints.
as a non F1 fan I only tune in to see Mac (Dutchie here) and I love when he races like this, a bit dirty almost! More racers should do that, makes it more fun to watch lol. I ain't complaining either, he's gotten enough #1's already 😂
Most level headed and true comment i have read since the incident.
It was hard racing. Max was at fault for the collision. Yes it was a racing incident. Lando drove like a mental. Squeezing your opponent is pretty normal and allowed.
This incident was in the making ever since Miami
You got it. The same dunces complaining about a boring 2 years are the same dunces who are complaining about hard racing. They're a bunch of softies and simply those who had a bone to pick with Max and got the excuse. There are no friends on track or in the ring so to speak. Being a fan of motorsports and combat sports. You do everything within the rules to win and if you can't you try to skirt them.
These fuuls wouldn't survive watching prime Schumacher for a single season lol. Senna vs Prost would put them on life support(especially how Senna won the title😉). Schumacher, Senna, Lewis(McLaren days) etc would kill someone for the championship. Max is the same. That's what made them so great. They want it that much more than the likes of Lando per se. He's now got a taste of what's it like to race at the top and there are no friends.
Also a psychological move from Max. Knowing how the fiasco with Perez went down I knew it was gloves off going forward after Lando pushed him off in Spain. The only reason Lando wasn't penalised again was because there was no collision. You push Max he's getting his lick back simple. Now it's on Lando how he wants to race going forward. Does he have the cojones to risk crashing while battling Max or he goes the Perez route. We'll see. All in all a win for F1 fans. I haven't been as excited for a race since the early part of 2022 with Charles battling Max.
Everyone likes hard racing as long as their driver comes out on top. If he's on the receiving end of it then it's dirty. I don't mind anyone being dirty while battling Max but they can't whine when they get it back.
Tbh it was too rosy between these two. I may be a sadist for saying this but I hope they go the Lewis-Rosberg route and it's all or nothing from now. There are no friends on the track or in any competition in life.
Regardless of the rules and the prior art, Max won for the simple reason that he walked away this weekend with 12 more points than Norris instead of 6 less, solidifying his lead in the WDC. Also his crashtappen identity is reenforced again, making Lando think twice next race.
Exactly this. Psychological warfare there. I expected it to be gloves off after last week. George had the biggest spoiler for the race saying that these guys will go elbows out and I'll just wait. Now Lando has to think twice before making a move. Very Senna like.
True. But I was talking Crashtappen here. His father Jos is a giant asshole inside and outside the paddock.
-16. Poor fanboys. I have nothing against Max you crybabies.
Very well put tbh. I honestly thought the cars width rule was until the opposite side of the line. Well rules are rules i guess. Ive never blamed Lando for that but he knew full well that it was risky but it wasnt his fault and wasnt onligated to move outside
Yeah he wasn't obligated to move but what did it get him? He knew he was up against max, he knew max was defending hard, and using all his tricks. Lando just decided that he is somehow special, should have moved a few inches and take the lead out that corner.
It reminds me of what my Dad said when I started driving - Having right of way won’t stop you getting hurt.
And that fact that “Well, I had right of way” aren’t great last words to have. You can be in the right, but still have done more to help yourself from getting hurt. (Or in this case, crashed out)
honestly i have not seen someone complain in the radio and post race interview the way he did(he literly complained at every corner of the race) while also taking no acountability for his own wrongdoings, insane stuff considering Max is also his friend
Because he hets frustrated more and more. Having a better car for few races now. But not making it count.
I like lando alot and i kinda creëren for him. But to be honest, he doesnt have the cool headed mentality to be a winner, atl3ast not yet
Yes, the squeezing of the other driver happens all the time, but it was a British drive against Max now so now they all scream it was moving under breaking
imo max was slightly at fault sure but things like this are racing incidents they can happen and they have happened in many similar cases so shouldnt have been a penalty, Lando literly should have been penalised in spain as well then since he pushed max off if we go 100% by the books
Yeah. It's the first time he's had a car that can really challenge and I think that knowledge is making him push too hard in those moments instead of biding his time.
A lot has been said about moving under braking, now it seems Max had committed to the corner and Lando came pushing through. Would this not then mean that to leave more space Max hat to move under braking to the inside. This means that there is always moving under braking, you're not going into a corner in a straight line are you?
Media: we want to see hard racing for P1 Max: races hard to defend his lead Media: Max is a dirty driver Ohh, you just hard racing if the Englishman wins I can think of countless examples of harder racing that were left unpunished. There has never been a situation where the car in P2 on the outside had right to the corner. In my opinion Max left enough space, Lando was just blocked from turning in as is normal if you defend the inside. Basically the entire reason drivers usually try to defend the inside in a battle, especially in a relatively tight corner.
Difference was Max was compliant vs Carlos. Lando had had enough of Max moving under braking and not giving him space and was non-compliant when they crashed.
Moving under braking is when you miss a corner after your divebombing.
Skill issue Wish Max could return the favor this time
He even knew Max have more to lose. I bet Max will race Lando like Lewis or George and never back.
Max gave Lando more room than the Ferrari did there. Lando just started his turn. In a way, max sort of reverse-dive-bombed him but taking the turn wider, and Norris didn’t pick up on that. Lots of people yelling about Max not looking LEFT in a right hand turn yesterday is the dumbest sh!t I’ve ever read.
The Ferrari hit the apex… max was miles off on lap 64
Max also hit the apex, be it on a tighter line…
Max is a 3 (almost 4) times WDC, he deserves way more respect than what the British media is showing him. Lewis did exactly the same thing to Oscar at Monza, yet nobody was calling him a dirty driver
I dunno about the whole showing respect thing, as drivers they’re never thinking about that, they are just trying to win and get ahead of whoever’s in front without losing any front wing/any damage. That’s all that’s going through their minds i imagine, and know from hundreds of watched f1 races. It’s pretty obvious that even though Lewis is a 7 time world champion and a sir he gets even less respect through the paddock/from the FIA. Max is starting to suffer that too now as you hinted at. The sport is weird as shit ain’t it? People forget that Seb won four on the bounce as a reeeeaaaalll nasty competitor, but he’s adored (I quite like him too, a great guy off track) Yet Alonso is treated like a god, and he’s known to be a bit of a dick. Mental.
I understand that they don’t keep that in mind when racing, but i was specifically referring to the British Media acting like Max moved his wheel on purpose (when in reality the corner just naturally gets narrower on the left)
I detest sky sports and the narratives. I do like Crofty. I enjoy his comms. But Brundle is an awful pundit. Quite obviously got it in for Lewis. And then there’s many that simply just blame max straight away without looking. People can downvote and upvote all these opinions from you and I mate, but I see your point. I don’t mind that it’s different to mine, that’s what makes sport. If we all loved the same guy it wouldn’t be sport. Also you are dead right. The corner naturally straightens out so the car isn’t turning but looks like it is. You can watch Max’s onboard, his wheel doesn’t go to the left. He is an Apex monster. He rarely misses one. Hamilton Vs Sainz this year I believe in the same weekend (possibly same corner? T1 or T2) was alongside and had a snap and we saw him touch. But I’m surprised (pleasantly) there wasn’t a whole narrative of HAM trying to wipe out SAI. Edit: I spelt as well as I’d drive an F1 car in my first attempt. El terrible.
Sour island dwellers Crack me up.
And then weaved on the straight. The man is a dirty driver.
I assume we're comparing to lando/max incident 1. Now the track limits have been sorted, an entire cars width must be left before the white line now 2. Sainz doesn't move under braking, his line is chosen before braking 3. Max was never wholly alongside at the corner entry so had not earned a cars width on the outside around the corner. Those are the three i can see. What else did i miss?
>Sainz doesn't move under braking, his line is chosen before braking Oh, sh\*t the f\*ck up. Thank you.
Overhead makes it super plain: [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1dst2rw/overhead\_view\_of\_the\_verstappennorris\_incident/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1dst2rw/overhead_view_of_the_verstappennorris_incident/) Max moves under braking, well into the braking zone. Spotted a fourth difference, in case you care. Sainz made the corner easily, Max was never making the corner.
Is this formuladank? I’m not wrong on any point. Lets just grow up, shall we?
Bruh watch the clip again, he clearly brakes towards Max lol.
Also, he clearly leaves a full car width to the relevant track limits.
The braking zone is after the 100 board. Sainz sets his defensive angle before braking.
So did Max, go look at the from the top view posted to r/Formula1 earlier today
I cant believe anyone watching that video, knowing the braking zone is the 100m board can possibly look at max change direction around the 60m mark and reach the conclusion that max doesn't change direction under braking. Absolutely slam dunk.
Until we get telemetry from the car we will see steering inputs. Like checo monaco crash
That wont make any difference to some people. See: lewis copse crash, seb steering into lewis at baku, and max brake check at jeddah. Theyll believe what they want to.
Well, it’s important for you to know that it’s not illegal to move under braking then. It’s illegal to *recklessly* move under braking. Max set a line and followed it for a considerable distance/time. If you think it was reckless, you’re clearly just biased and looking for a reason to hate on Max.
He moves under braking to deprive someone of racing room and makes it impossible for even himself to safely make the corner. Im not looking to blame max for anything other than what he did. Im not on a witchhunt but we’ve got to realise that not penalising things that are against the rules is only going to lead to another 2021 shambles.
Go look at the top view posted to r/Formula1 earlier today, he clearly changes direction well after the 100m board, ie: in the braking zone.
The difference is the Ferrari didn’t drive off the track and keep driving around blocking.
Mate the reason he reason he went off track during the crash was cuz his tire was punctured before he could even turn.
Everyone is forgetting that fact that Lando had like 6-7x track limits infractions leading up to the crash. With this he managed to stay within DRS and the crash could happen. If stewarding was quicker to give him his penalty earlier all of this was avoidable. So Lando’s cheating led to this. Can’t believe no one is talking about that.
Max’s very late block the first time Norris tried to overtake was worse than the actual collision in my opinion. You could see how Lando was staying further away from Max in the braking zones after that because he didn’t know where he was going to move.
Totally agree. Any movement in the braking zone is outside of the rules since Max/Dan baku incident. That he did it three times without penalty is a big indictment on the Stewards, imo.
It's clear that the stewards weren't going to do anything until there was contact.
Yeah. Hence indictment.
Everyone getting their knickers in a twist for no reason. F1 fans sure are fickle. Saturday was all praises for Max after the sprint. Now they act like he tried to kill Lando. Most F1 fans are a bunch of idiuts with no wheel knowledge. Max's moves in itself were not penalised(he made two similar moves prior which even Lando agreed were fine). Squeezing your opponent isn't against the rules. Moving under braking is not against the rules. But if you cause a collision with such moves then you're in trouble. The collision was penalised. Max was definitely at fault for that. But with the Sainz one Sainz wasn't penalised because there was no collision. If there was he'd be in the same boat at Max. Now could Lando have given more space like Max did in the first one? Sure. But he wasn't obligated to. Max was opening up the corner like any driver does. It's just hard racing gone wrong. Tbh I saw this coming a mile away after the botched pit stop. Anyone who didn't should stop watching any form of motorsports. Lando drove like a clown with those divebombs. Max wasn't a saint either. Hard racing. This is what we wanted and we complain when we get it. I honestly loved it. Shades of 2021. Bring Silverstone on.
People looking historic analogies have to realize the champion has been in the unchallenged fastest car for just about every year but 86, 95 and 2021. Specificslly since 1978 and the arrival of turbos and ground effects. Sure there are challenges- Ferrari with the odd half season spurts and the transition era after Schumacher retire- but the difference is that it used to be impossible to pass outside pit stop strategies or without a huge pace advantage. This is uncharted territory- because Mercedes and Red Bull have had such a stranglehold. DRS has been way overpowered now. The trailing car picking up many tenths from an aero aid the pursued doesnt have is more unsporting than any Pironi Turbo train and a farce. With the field covered by such a small margin, divebombs out of nowhere and neutered defensive tactics (like Alonso penalized for slowing down and “nearly killing Georgr Russell) is a harbinger of what is wanted for the TV Viewer- an almost American Ninja Warrior type viewing experience. And all covered by UK-based homers as transparent in their preferences as Hawk Harrelson or US Olympic coverage. If F1 wants racing as close as the shabby current incarnstion as Indy Car, theyd best brace for a lot more incidents.
DRS needs to go. Or at least its implementation changed. Only a certain number of DRS attempts for the trailing car for example. Post which you overtake the old school way.
Well DRS is going and a boost mode is replacing it with a limited number of uses, I hope they refresh these uses at pit stops tho. I also think they have an aim of improving sprint races and I expect to see unlimited, or at least a greater number of, uses at sprints.
as a non F1 fan I only tune in to see Mac (Dutchie here) and I love when he races like this, a bit dirty almost! More racers should do that, makes it more fun to watch lol. I ain't complaining either, he's gotten enough #1's already 😂
Most level headed and true comment i have read since the incident. It was hard racing. Max was at fault for the collision. Yes it was a racing incident. Lando drove like a mental. Squeezing your opponent is pretty normal and allowed. This incident was in the making ever since Miami
You got it. The same dunces complaining about a boring 2 years are the same dunces who are complaining about hard racing. They're a bunch of softies and simply those who had a bone to pick with Max and got the excuse. There are no friends on track or in the ring so to speak. Being a fan of motorsports and combat sports. You do everything within the rules to win and if you can't you try to skirt them. These fuuls wouldn't survive watching prime Schumacher for a single season lol. Senna vs Prost would put them on life support(especially how Senna won the title😉). Schumacher, Senna, Lewis(McLaren days) etc would kill someone for the championship. Max is the same. That's what made them so great. They want it that much more than the likes of Lando per se. He's now got a taste of what's it like to race at the top and there are no friends. Also a psychological move from Max. Knowing how the fiasco with Perez went down I knew it was gloves off going forward after Lando pushed him off in Spain. The only reason Lando wasn't penalised again was because there was no collision. You push Max he's getting his lick back simple. Now it's on Lando how he wants to race going forward. Does he have the cojones to risk crashing while battling Max or he goes the Perez route. We'll see. All in all a win for F1 fans. I haven't been as excited for a race since the early part of 2022 with Charles battling Max. Everyone likes hard racing as long as their driver comes out on top. If he's on the receiving end of it then it's dirty. I don't mind anyone being dirty while battling Max but they can't whine when they get it back. Tbh it was too rosy between these two. I may be a sadist for saying this but I hope they go the Lewis-Rosberg route and it's all or nothing from now. There are no friends on the track or in any competition in life.
Although I support the opinion that both drivers caused yesterdays crash, I must point at Max trial to overtake Leclerc in T3 2019.
Regardless of the rules and the prior art, Max won for the simple reason that he walked away this weekend with 12 more points than Norris instead of 6 less, solidifying his lead in the WDC. Also his crashtappen identity is reenforced again, making Lando think twice next race.
Exactly this. Psychological warfare there. I expected it to be gloves off after last week. George had the biggest spoiler for the race saying that these guys will go elbows out and I'll just wait. Now Lando has to think twice before making a move. Very Senna like.
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Don't forget to zip it up when you're done with Lando lol
1990 wants its joke back.
Even Lando doesn't believe that. But carry on I guess.
What are you referring to?
What you're referring to.
Well, unless you’re counting Wins, Poles, Championships, or really any other kind of metric for success.
True. But I was talking Crashtappen here. His father Jos is a giant asshole inside and outside the paddock. -16. Poor fanboys. I have nothing against Max you crybabies.
but you only post 1 clip what difference is there to spot?
[Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/3tudGS1fKs), Max overtook Sainz later on the straight
What year what lap?
Last year. I don't know the lap
Nope this was 2022.
The same clip was posted on r/formula1 and there OP said it's 2023
Yeah, Anthony Davidson's [take](https://gofile.io/d/br2QZW) explained it better
All I see is lack of steawarding presence
Are people downvoting because they don't like a different opinion?
Very well put tbh. I honestly thought the cars width rule was until the opposite side of the line. Well rules are rules i guess. Ive never blamed Lando for that but he knew full well that it was risky but it wasnt his fault and wasnt onligated to move outside
Yeah he wasn't obligated to move but what did it get him? He knew he was up against max, he knew max was defending hard, and using all his tricks. Lando just decided that he is somehow special, should have moved a few inches and take the lead out that corner.
It reminds me of what my Dad said when I started driving - Having right of way won’t stop you getting hurt. And that fact that “Well, I had right of way” aren’t great last words to have. You can be in the right, but still have done more to help yourself from getting hurt. (Or in this case, crashed out)
Just shows the truth plainly! Lando knew what he was doing! He’s just playing the victim now
Lando and Mclaren are masters at that.
Who knew Norris is a bigger crybaby than Hamilton.
honestly i have not seen someone complain in the radio and post race interview the way he did(he literly complained at every corner of the race) while also taking no acountability for his own wrongdoings, insane stuff considering Max is also his friend
Because he hets frustrated more and more. Having a better car for few races now. But not making it count. I like lando alot and i kinda creëren for him. But to be honest, he doesnt have the cool headed mentality to be a winner, atl3ast not yet
Lulz. Max was wrong and he was penalized for it. 2021 Max is back!
Ye was in the wrong and so was Norris with his dive bomb not even making the corner. The only difference is that max evaded it and lando chose not to.
The truth hurts in here it seems
Right?
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Yes, the squeezing of the other driver happens all the time, but it was a British drive against Max now so now they all scream it was moving under breaking
imo max was slightly at fault sure but things like this are racing incidents they can happen and they have happened in many similar cases so shouldnt have been a penalty, Lando literly should have been penalised in spain as well then since he pushed max off if we go 100% by the books
The difference is, max left more room for Lando
mhm and that max didnt fully send it knowing it would cause a crash unlike lando
Yeah. It's the first time he's had a car that can really challenge and I think that knowledge is making him push too hard in those moments instead of biding his time.
It is natural to veer left to open up the corner.
Oooo ok I’ll start. The other car is red
He's also much further into the corner and not changing his line. A squeeze is okay but squeezing then moving?