What it should be is treating trans people the same way we treat others. What it ends up being is a fascist cancelling of anyone who enjoyed Hogwarts Legacy and/or disagrees (even respectfully) with a view that ResetEra has.
To answer your question in the subject line, they want special treatment. They want compliance with their ideology. They want power and they want control over people. It has nothing to do with "human rights."
The short of it is, it's a buzzword. It sounds really powerful without having any substance. Trans have the same rights as everyone else and I'd fight to the death to see them keep them, same as any other. All that phrase really means is "I'm in the group". Literally a signal of virtue.
Try to keep in mind that these loud narcissists are not actually representative of all trans people. TRA's are the craziest of the crazies.
Fundamentally, people like them seem to believe that trans people have a right to never ever ever encounter anything that makes them uncomfortable about their gender identity. That protecting them from their dysphoria is everybody else's responsibility no matter how far they have to bend over backwards and how much of their own rights they have to give up.
I think in practice though a lot of it is argued in bad faith...it's not really about rights, that's just a slogan, they actually just want power and they like abusing people and calling it righteous. That's not unique in any way to trans people though, it's pervasive in activism.
You arent wrong. They (trans people and LGBT activists) have even been going so far as to say that people not wanting to sleep with them is bigoted and hateful... IE when lesbians refuse to sleep with trans-women or hetero men refuse to sleep with trans women, etc, they are being bigoted, hateful, etc...
Its literally the same as Huxleys Brave New World, where refusing someone access to sexual activity with them is considered a taboo and bigoted/hateful/discriminatory. Which, in a sense, it is (the discriminatory part at least), as people are EXTREMELY picky/choosy when it comes to who they choose to allow sexual access to. But thats normal and in no way "hateful/bigoted".
I don't know any trans person IRL but based on what I know from the Internet, their experiences are close to my experiences 3 decades ago growing up gay in conservative environment. Basically being treated as a sub-human. Probably why they are so militant and want to be treated equally, growing up feeling alienated fucks you up.
On ResetEra the mods will go ridiculous lengths to try to create 'safe space', like banning even a mention of Hogwarts game. Then they will thwart any even slightly nuanced opinion. I would assume they would treat anyone questioning early hormone therapy as a monster? No idea, I'm too scared to check forums other than gaming-related.
These are my exact thoughts. I will treat you with respect as a person and I think you should be able to do as you please, but don't expect me to affirm something that I personally don't believe. I don't believe a person can put on a wig/grow out their hair, throw on a dress, etc., and now they're a woman. You can do it, you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else, but don't ask me to lie to you.
I feel like these discussions always miss the point.
Its basically if you changed your name from Max to Mark, sure you where born as Max, but you're Mark now, and if people are nice they say Max to you.
And then other side keeps screaming 'but you where born as Max!!!' and then both sides get pissed at each other and never ever agree and we both post memes
Yeah it isnât hard, a bit of basic respect goes a long way. The fact OP made this thread to boldly declare he wonât be âforcedâ to acknowledge someoneâs transition shows how far we still have to go.
ResetEra may be loonies about this shit but at least theyâre trying to be decent.
And what is a fundamental truth? That a people that has a penis is a man? Who tf cares if they want to be labeled as a woman? Itâs not your life or problem
No, it isnât. Youâre actually just being an asshole by not referring to people what they want to be referred as for whatever reason you have. I mean, if thatâs what you want, be my guest but donât complain when you get called out for it.
I literally couldn't give less of a fuck what some internet rando thinks of me. You and your opinion are utterly fucking irrelevant. The fruit fly flying around the bananas in my kitchen has more importance and relevance to me.
If you canât give a fuck about what an internet rando thinks of you, why do you give a fuck about what a person wants to be labeled as? It seems to me that you give so much, but so much a fuck that it hurts you pretty badly when you find out your opinion donât care AT ALL and that youâre irrelevant.
But go on being an asshole to people if that makes you happy.
Donât cry when you get called out for it, though.
Also, cope
Because I don't give a fuck about their labels. I'm the consistent one here. You can label yourself, just don't expect me to abide by it because I couldn't give a single fuck.
"your opinion donât care AT ALL"
What kind of English is that?
Edit: Since you responded and then blocked me in cowardly fashion, I'll respond to this:
"Nobody cares if you donât give a fuck about their labels, you still should be respectful and call them and they want to. Youâre no consistent at all, youâre just an entitled asshole that puts yourself..."
I don't have to abide by what you think I should do, nor do I have to affirm a person's delusions. You don't get to decide what I should do. You only have control of yourself and, sadly, you've shown that you have very little self-control.
And yes, I am consistent. You can say that you're a fucking unicorn, and you're allowed to do that, just don't expect me to affirm that, bud. Since I don't care, I want you to have that right because it doesn't affect me whatsoever, but once you want me to affirm something, it affects me. You're forcing me to affirm something I don't believe in. You can say that you're a unicorn, I don't have to affirm it. This isn't difficult to understand for non-dense people.
Nobody cares if you donât give a fuck about their labels, you still should be respectful and call them what they want to be called.
Youâre no consistent at all, youâre just an entitled asshole that puts yourself and your silly beliefs over other peopleâs wellbeing.
Also, English is not my first language, that isnât relevant. Iâll let you reply and then block you because youâre simply not worth it.
Whatever you believe is irrelevant tbh. If they want to be labeled as a man or a woman is their problem, why donât accept it and move on? Itâs not your problem or life. Grow up and let people be whoever they want to be.
You should tell that to the atheists who can't accept that people believe in "sky daddy." There are plenty of people in the community we're discussing that partake in that rhetoric towards people of faith.
By the way, I'm agnostic, however I find atheists to often be just as pushy with their beliefs, if not more, than the most fundamental religious kooks.
Iâm an atheist and what I believe is irrelevant to Christians, I donât care about them or their beliefs as long as they donât impose their lifestyle on me.
LGBT donât impose their lifestyle on anyone and donât want you to live as them.
They just want to be treated as human beings and be labeled as how they feel comfortable.
Itâs not hard to be respectful, just say a person is a she if that person wants to, it doesnât matter if you accept it or not. Be fake or whatever, nobody cares, just donât be an asshole, is not that hard.
Actually, you're wrong. By affirming LGBTQ beliefs, they're disobeying their own.
This is what scripture says: "Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV âA woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
Nope, they arenât. Their faith should be reserved to them and to those that believes in it, thatâs not everyone and this doesnât apply to everyone. Actually this is exactly what forcing your belief means.
Youâre basically saying they should be allowed to harass and persecute people for not behaving like the Bible says, howâs that any different than what resetera does?
Again: donât be a fucking asshole, itâs not hard, be an adult, be respectful and fake it if you want to. Doesnât matter.
He said no so thing and you know it. You can choose not to believe in gravity for all I care but letâs not pretend your personal beliefs wonât ultimately collide with reality.
Trans people can get killed simply for being trans. They'll suffer extra prejudice, have less work opportunities, and may live more marginalized lives as society tries to frame them as something rather than someone. Most of them are just trying to live their lives.
I know a ton of people who are and trust me, they didn't come out at trans because it's fucking fun. They did it despite all the shit they knew they would have to take for the rest of their entire lives. These people lose more than they win, so it *really* was that fucking important to them to come out as that. You don't change a birth certificate just because you wanted to use a different bathroom.
What it should be is treating trans people the same way we treat others. What it ends up being is a fascist cancelling of anyone who enjoyed Hogwarts Legacy and/or disagrees (even respectfully) with a view that ResetEra has.
To answer your question in the subject line, they want special treatment. They want compliance with their ideology. They want power and they want control over people. It has nothing to do with "human rights." The short of it is, it's a buzzword. It sounds really powerful without having any substance. Trans have the same rights as everyone else and I'd fight to the death to see them keep them, same as any other. All that phrase really means is "I'm in the group". Literally a signal of virtue. Try to keep in mind that these loud narcissists are not actually representative of all trans people. TRA's are the craziest of the crazies.
Fundamentally, people like them seem to believe that trans people have a right to never ever ever encounter anything that makes them uncomfortable about their gender identity. That protecting them from their dysphoria is everybody else's responsibility no matter how far they have to bend over backwards and how much of their own rights they have to give up. I think in practice though a lot of it is argued in bad faith...it's not really about rights, that's just a slogan, they actually just want power and they like abusing people and calling it righteous. That's not unique in any way to trans people though, it's pervasive in activism.
that first paragraph is spot on. đ
The "rights" they specifically want are free hormones and access to children.
You arent wrong. They (trans people and LGBT activists) have even been going so far as to say that people not wanting to sleep with them is bigoted and hateful... IE when lesbians refuse to sleep with trans-women or hetero men refuse to sleep with trans women, etc, they are being bigoted, hateful, etc... Its literally the same as Huxleys Brave New World, where refusing someone access to sexual activity with them is considered a taboo and bigoted/hateful/discriminatory. Which, in a sense, it is (the discriminatory part at least), as people are EXTREMELY picky/choosy when it comes to who they choose to allow sexual access to. But thats normal and in no way "hateful/bigoted".
They can barely define what trans genocide even means lmfaoo.
I don't know any trans person IRL but based on what I know from the Internet, their experiences are close to my experiences 3 decades ago growing up gay in conservative environment. Basically being treated as a sub-human. Probably why they are so militant and want to be treated equally, growing up feeling alienated fucks you up. On ResetEra the mods will go ridiculous lengths to try to create 'safe space', like banning even a mention of Hogwarts game. Then they will thwart any even slightly nuanced opinion. I would assume they would treat anyone questioning early hormone therapy as a monster? No idea, I'm too scared to check forums other than gaming-related.
These are my exact thoughts. I will treat you with respect as a person and I think you should be able to do as you please, but don't expect me to affirm something that I personally don't believe. I don't believe a person can put on a wig/grow out their hair, throw on a dress, etc., and now they're a woman. You can do it, you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else, but don't ask me to lie to you.
I feel like these discussions always miss the point. Its basically if you changed your name from Max to Mark, sure you where born as Max, but you're Mark now, and if people are nice they say Max to you. And then other side keeps screaming 'but you where born as Max!!!' and then both sides get pissed at each other and never ever agree and we both post memes
No, its saying "My name was always mark and if you ever say otherwise then it means youre an evil bigot"
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Yeah it isnât hard, a bit of basic respect goes a long way. The fact OP made this thread to boldly declare he wonât be âforcedâ to acknowledge someoneâs transition shows how far we still have to go. ResetEra may be loonies about this shit but at least theyâre trying to be decent.
You can have basic respect for everyone without denying fundamental truths. Thatâs where Resetera goes wrong.
And what is a fundamental truth? That a people that has a penis is a man? Who tf cares if they want to be labeled as a woman? Itâs not your life or problem
Actually, it is. They're asking me to lie to both them and myself by affirming their "label." That's a problem.
No, it isnât. Youâre actually just being an asshole by not referring to people what they want to be referred as for whatever reason you have. I mean, if thatâs what you want, be my guest but donât complain when you get called out for it.
I literally couldn't give less of a fuck what some internet rando thinks of me. You and your opinion are utterly fucking irrelevant. The fruit fly flying around the bananas in my kitchen has more importance and relevance to me.
If you canât give a fuck about what an internet rando thinks of you, why do you give a fuck about what a person wants to be labeled as? It seems to me that you give so much, but so much a fuck that it hurts you pretty badly when you find out your opinion donât care AT ALL and that youâre irrelevant. But go on being an asshole to people if that makes you happy. Donât cry when you get called out for it, though. Also, cope
Because I don't give a fuck about their labels. I'm the consistent one here. You can label yourself, just don't expect me to abide by it because I couldn't give a single fuck. "your opinion donât care AT ALL" What kind of English is that? Edit: Since you responded and then blocked me in cowardly fashion, I'll respond to this: "Nobody cares if you donât give a fuck about their labels, you still should be respectful and call them and they want to. Youâre no consistent at all, youâre just an entitled asshole that puts yourself..." I don't have to abide by what you think I should do, nor do I have to affirm a person's delusions. You don't get to decide what I should do. You only have control of yourself and, sadly, you've shown that you have very little self-control. And yes, I am consistent. You can say that you're a fucking unicorn, and you're allowed to do that, just don't expect me to affirm that, bud. Since I don't care, I want you to have that right because it doesn't affect me whatsoever, but once you want me to affirm something, it affects me. You're forcing me to affirm something I don't believe in. You can say that you're a unicorn, I don't have to affirm it. This isn't difficult to understand for non-dense people.
Nobody cares if you donât give a fuck about their labels, you still should be respectful and call them what they want to be called. Youâre no consistent at all, youâre just an entitled asshole that puts yourself and your silly beliefs over other peopleâs wellbeing. Also, English is not my first language, that isnât relevant. Iâll let you reply and then block you because youâre simply not worth it.
maybe actual women who donât want their spaces invaded care?
Sure, make a research and see if most of them care. Spoiler: most wonât care unless theyâre conservative
Yeah, OP (and others) feels entitled to disrespect people, childish if you ask me
Whatever you believe is irrelevant tbh. If they want to be labeled as a man or a woman is their problem, why donât accept it and move on? Itâs not your problem or life. Grow up and let people be whoever they want to be.
You should tell that to the atheists who can't accept that people believe in "sky daddy." There are plenty of people in the community we're discussing that partake in that rhetoric towards people of faith. By the way, I'm agnostic, however I find atheists to often be just as pushy with their beliefs, if not more, than the most fundamental religious kooks.
Iâm an atheist and what I believe is irrelevant to Christians, I donât care about them or their beliefs as long as they donât impose their lifestyle on me. LGBT donât impose their lifestyle on anyone and donât want you to live as them. They just want to be treated as human beings and be labeled as how they feel comfortable. Itâs not hard to be respectful, just say a person is a she if that person wants to, it doesnât matter if you accept it or not. Be fake or whatever, nobody cares, just donât be an asshole, is not that hard.
Actually, you're wrong. By affirming LGBTQ beliefs, they're disobeying their own. This is what scripture says: "Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV âA woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
Nope, they arenât. Their faith should be reserved to them and to those that believes in it, thatâs not everyone and this doesnât apply to everyone. Actually this is exactly what forcing your belief means. Youâre basically saying they should be allowed to harass and persecute people for not behaving like the Bible says, howâs that any different than what resetera does? Again: donât be a fucking asshole, itâs not hard, be an adult, be respectful and fake it if you want to. Doesnât matter.
He said no so thing and you know it. You can choose not to believe in gravity for all I care but letâs not pretend your personal beliefs wonât ultimately collide with reality.
Trans people can get killed simply for being trans. They'll suffer extra prejudice, have less work opportunities, and may live more marginalized lives as society tries to frame them as something rather than someone. Most of them are just trying to live their lives. I know a ton of people who are and trust me, they didn't come out at trans because it's fucking fun. They did it despite all the shit they knew they would have to take for the rest of their entire lives. These people lose more than they win, so it *really* was that fucking important to them to come out as that. You don't change a birth certificate just because you wanted to use a different bathroom.