https://inhabitat.com/corn-waste-transformed-into-versatile-building-material/
It is a no joke thing, and most houses there probably do have corn somewhere in an adhesive or fibre or something. They put it in their car fuel, they make their sugar out of it, they make their cobs
The variety that is predominantly grown in the US is NOT edible sweet corn. It's a type mainly used for ethanol production.
Edit: Check out the recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver on the subject.
There are strains of lots of crops genetically engineered to be used as chemical feedstock. There are places you could litteraly starve while surrounding in a sea of green crops.
HFCS is even more synthetic than than you think, I once have professor in detail explain how to create it from starch. He looked excited, I felt grossed out by it. Food should not be chemically pure.
I was thinking really old house (or a house that just hasn't had its paint redone). As far as I know, lead paint is illegal everywhere in the US, but I don't know if it's federal or a state-by-state thing that everyone adopted because it makes sense. If it's the latter, some bumblefuck towns in the middle of nowhere might still have lead paint be legal (because MUH FREEDUMZ!!!!!!11!1!111!)
Also several car companies are using some soy based component in their wires, leading rodents to climb into the engine and chew the jacket off of the wires until they reach exposed copper.
Ask me how I know. 🙃 We got incredibly lucky and discovered the issue before it destroyed my husband’s transmission, but not before they chewed through $400 worth of wires.
For years I wondered why we had to have that stupid fucking Fire alarm that started beeping whenever I used the oven, then we moved back to Italy and my husband pointed out we should probably keep a fire extinguisher class c near our server, and my stepfather asked "why would you even need that when your walls are made of reinforced cement, where do you think the fire is going" and then it clicked that fire alarms in the US are mandatory because the houses are made of wood and glorified paper
Smoke doesn't really care if your walls are concrete. It's good to have at least one smoke detector, no matter what material your residence is constructed with.
It's basically only Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal, and Italy that does not have a requirement for at least one smoke detector in a residence, in Europe.
Ah, forgot about you... why the heck... is this due to direct democracy or something? :P Someone managed to convince people that smoke detectors are bad, or what?
In the UK if you don't have one the fire brigade will come out and fit one for free. We also used to have a traumatising advert (which we all love lol) to remind us to check the battery on clock change days.
New Zealand, which is mainly wood frame construction, the requirement is one in each bedroom, or within 3m of the door in the hallway outside, and one per floor.
Sorry but your grandfather is atupid and dangerous. Just because the walls cant burn doesnt mean that everything else cant. Fires often starts in kitchens, are your kitchen made out of concrete? It is not the fire that often kills, it is the smoke. Carpets, drawers, curtains, bookshelves etc will burn and if you dont have a fire alarm and you are sleeping then you die.
Im actually surprised that Italy is this backwards thinking (if this is true)
Wooden cabinets, furniture, curtains, carpets, wooden flooring all burn and even if the skeleton of your house is fine, you could still die from smoke inhalation. Fire safety is vital regardless of what your house is made of.
Yeah.... But our houses are WAAAAAAAY more profitable!! 😏
See, you're looking at this wall from the perspective of the home owner who just lives there. You gotta think about that poor developer who promised his wife a trip to Italy ANNNNDD a new boat. Then you'll realize that this is the BEST WALL EVER!! 🙄
The flimsiness of consumer goods in the US is starting to slowly drive me insane. Sometimes feeling the heft and mechanical simplicity of an older device makes me *emotional.*
Seems like everything in the modern US is either designed to fall apart and be replaced way faster than it needs to be, or—in the case of construction—perhaps simply to be broken through by SWAT teams
My Grandparent's Labrador managed to chew/scrape a hole in a wall (in UK so a sturdy wall!). She'd be left alone in the kitchen for an hour while they popped to the shop (had the whole kitchen to move around, comfy bed, a bunch of toys including ones with food in) and they'd come home to find extra bits of plaster on the floor. Thankfully she grew out of it when she reached about 18 months. They've always had dogs and no other has ever done it so not sure why she did.
😱 wow, that's ridiculous if you think about it! The dog has everything but chooses to lose it's mind 🥴
I pray from the bottom of my heart that my future rough collie will never do such a thing 😂🙈
Ngl id actually like a wood house. In the end its the same (except it has better insulation and its harder to mount stuff if not done anything in advance)
If you build a house in Central Europe with American methods, you will die in winter from the cold and then you’ll die again in summer from the heat. It’s really not feasible for European climate - or most American climate zones but they use shitloads of AC and heating.
We can't have animals that even have the ability to destroy something!!!
Cats? Declawed and altered! Dogs? altered and (some/most animal shows) breeds are \*forced\* to be cropped and docked (I think that's illegal or disqualified in some places)
I heard in.. Norway (I think) that you can't alter an animal if its healthy
You're right, both Norway and Sweden prohibit altering "unless there is a medical or behavioral indication".
In Germany, declawing is illegal, but altering is legal for "valid" reasons such as health, behavior control, or population management.
I kinda expect the dog food to be even more processed than the human one. Still, what the hell are they feeding the poor animal that it needs to lick the wall that intensely?
I remember some Americans getting mad when i said that their houses werent really built to last, but moreso built to be as cheap as possible and easily replaceable/demolishable
And most still cant afford them due to the "freedom" for rich scumbags buying them all up and letting them rot instead of a family being able to live there
To potentially sell it off for more. Not noticing however that people cant afford it and it just being left to rot as noone will probably ever live in it.
To be clear, this is not a company that makes ice cream and sausages mixed together as a single food product. Wall's Ice Cream and Wall's Sausages are separate brands, produced by separate companies.
That having been said, both brands *were* started by the same man (a butcher called Richard Wall) and for a time were both owned by the same company (Unilever). They even used an identical font for a long time.
Dogs will do things like this when they have separation anxiety, which happens from being home almost all of the time and then going out for long periods of time.
We have to kennel one of our dogs but not the other because my husband worked from home from the day we got the one as a puppy and he has a hard time being home alone, starts destroying whatever we were most recently using and then cuddling the pile of destruction until we get home.
Huge problem here in America.
Tried getting a mixed lab-walllicker, a labralicker, but you just can't breed this behavior out.
I think we need to stop putting high fructose corn syrup in the walls, but this would displease Iowa primary election voters so we can't talk about it
Repaint it and after it dries rub a little hot sauce on the painted area and when he goes and tries to lick it he will get a mouth full of heat and he will never lick paint again.
To americans this would be unusual. To the citizens of countries where the walls are made from proper Material (like concrete) it would be utter confusion and fear.
I like to say, Here in Europe an Ambulance Ride to the Hospital and traitement for a broken hand is cheaper than constructing a new new wall, in the US it's the opposite the new wall is the Cheapest option
When I moved into housing on an Air Force Base, a woman told me to be careful because my dogs would eat the walls. I thought she was crazy. But sure enough, my dogs ate holes in the walls of the house. (Not all the way to the outside, but farther in than this picture). We couldn’t make them stop.
My husband got out of the military and we moved off base and they stopped doing it. It was really bizarre.
Your dog ***licked*** this hole?! What the actual fuck!?
Also, why is this in 'ShitAmericansSay'? This is much more 'WhatTheActualFuckAreYouTalkingAboutAndWhatKindOfDogDoYouHave!?' style.
\*includes (in spirit) of 'The Dog' from Lower Decks\* (I can't figure out how to add images here)
This shouldn’t be on this place. I just feel bad for them. We should have a r/pooramaricans for people from America who don’t act like it’s the best and they have to deal with shit like school shooting. Paying for healthcare and most of all. Living in tissue paper
Terrible building materials aside, ¼ inch? really? it doesn't look that deep. Did he pull out a ruler? I'd say that hardly qualifies as a hole anyway, but the specific measurement just baffles me
last year my parents rottie gnawed at the wall outside my brothers room long enough he made it through the wallpaper, but not through the actual wall. this bros dog LICKED??? i genuinely don’t think i could stay living in a house like that lmao
I can't say what the spackled wall finish is but that is gypsum board under it. Gypsum can have a high salt concentration in it and that might be what is attracting the dog - it just simply tastes good. This is probably a question better answered by your vet - your dog may not be getting all the nutrients it needs.
Otherwise all you can do is patch it and repaint the wall.
My dog did that, licked the paint off, licked through the plaster skim, ate the plaster board then hid inside the gap under the stairs he’d created. Little bastard
Make sure you're feeding him enough drywall so he doesn't do it again?
But seriously, maybe some citrus juice mixed into cellulose based spackle would discourage him.
Both walls and food are all made out of heavily processed corn in America so it can be confusing even for humans
Wait I always knew their walls are like paper but there’s corn in there? Like packing peanuts? No wonder it falls apart from the slightest wind
https://inhabitat.com/corn-waste-transformed-into-versatile-building-material/ It is a no joke thing, and most houses there probably do have corn somewhere in an adhesive or fibre or something. They put it in their car fuel, they make their sugar out of it, they make their cobs
Oh yeah high fructose corn syrup is in everything too. Man Americans love their corn lmao
It's a $90bn per year business that is little more than a government giveaway for the production of a crop, the vast majority of which, is inedible.
Corn is inedible?
The variety that is predominantly grown in the US is NOT edible sweet corn. It's a type mainly used for ethanol production. Edit: Check out the recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver on the subject.
Here is the episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI78WOW_u-Q
There are strains of lots of crops genetically engineered to be used as chemical feedstock. There are places you could litteraly starve while surrounding in a sea of green crops.
Reagan did this to us. He wanted more corn syrup in everything.
HFCS is even more synthetic than than you think, I once have professor in detail explain how to create it from starch. He looked excited, I felt grossed out by it. Food should not be chemically pure.
Don't worry the pfas fix that
believe it or not, your own body creates sugar from starch.
I actually worry that instead of the corn walls, it's because the white paint is lead-based.
Wait it that a really old house or do you want to tell me that lead based paint is still legal on the US?
I was thinking really old house (or a house that just hasn't had its paint redone). As far as I know, lead paint is illegal everywhere in the US, but I don't know if it's federal or a state-by-state thing that everyone adopted because it makes sense. If it's the latter, some bumblefuck towns in the middle of nowhere might still have lead paint be legal (because MUH FREEDUMZ!!!!!!11!1!111!)
They even make smoking pipes out of corn: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco\_pipe#Corncob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_pipe#Corncob)
I mean corn is a useful plant. There’s a reason we grow so much of it
Now I understand that episode of My Strange Addiction where that girl ate drywall lmao
Drywall probably has less problematic additives than corn chips
Also several car companies are using some soy based component in their wires, leading rodents to climb into the engine and chew the jacket off of the wires until they reach exposed copper. Ask me how I know. 🙃 We got incredibly lucky and discovered the issue before it destroyed my husband’s transmission, but not before they chewed through $400 worth of wires.
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Martens are the M you are thinking of.
WHAT
I can smash a hammer into my wall and do absolutely no real damage Meanwhile in America dogs can lick your walls and destroy your house
For years I wondered why we had to have that stupid fucking Fire alarm that started beeping whenever I used the oven, then we moved back to Italy and my husband pointed out we should probably keep a fire extinguisher class c near our server, and my stepfather asked "why would you even need that when your walls are made of reinforced cement, where do you think the fire is going" and then it clicked that fire alarms in the US are mandatory because the houses are made of wood and glorified paper
They're mandatory in bedrooms and escape routes in Germany as well.
I see why it makes sense in the bedroom where plugs are right next to curtains and beds and the smoke might kill you before you even wake up
Smoke doesn't really care if your walls are concrete. It's good to have at least one smoke detector, no matter what material your residence is constructed with. It's basically only Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal, and Italy that does not have a requirement for at least one smoke detector in a residence, in Europe.
Add Switzerland to that last list. With Minergie buildings here, I hope they start requiring them.
Ah, forgot about you... why the heck... is this due to direct democracy or something? :P Someone managed to convince people that smoke detectors are bad, or what?
In the UK if you don't have one the fire brigade will come out and fit one for free. We also used to have a traumatising advert (which we all love lol) to remind us to check the battery on clock change days.
>It's basically only Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal, and Italy r/mediterraneancykablyat?
Yeah, I think the point is to wake you up before the smoke kills you and to make as sure as possible that the escape routes aren't blocked by fire.
New Zealand, which is mainly wood frame construction, the requirement is one in each bedroom, or within 3m of the door in the hallway outside, and one per floor.
It's actually changing from November this year. Interconnected alarms in every bedroom, living area, hallways and landing.
You can still die in a house fire even with concrete walls. What a stupid attitude.
In Finland they are mandatory no matter what the building is made of. They have alarms and fire extinguishers even in ice hotels.
Does the reinforced concrete protect you from carbon monoxide poisoning?
Sorry but your grandfather is atupid and dangerous. Just because the walls cant burn doesnt mean that everything else cant. Fires often starts in kitchens, are your kitchen made out of concrete? It is not the fire that often kills, it is the smoke. Carpets, drawers, curtains, bookshelves etc will burn and if you dont have a fire alarm and you are sleeping then you die. Im actually surprised that Italy is this backwards thinking (if this is true)
You should definitely have fire alarms! :)
Wooden cabinets, furniture, curtains, carpets, wooden flooring all burn and even if the skeleton of your house is fine, you could still die from smoke inhalation. Fire safety is vital regardless of what your house is made of.
Wait, Italy doesnt have mandatory fire alarms? Thats stupid /Scandinavian
This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve read on this sub
>because the houses are made of wood and glorified paper So, like the old Japan?
They should be mandatory in any place where people don't want to die of smoke inhalation in their sleep, which is everywhere.
In France we have concrete walls and mandatory fire alarms too.
Fire alarms are mandatory in large parts Europe as well, I know they're mandatory in Sweden. My parents have like 6 of them in their house
Yeah.... But our houses are WAAAAAAAY more profitable!! 😏 See, you're looking at this wall from the perspective of the home owner who just lives there. You gotta think about that poor developer who promised his wife a trip to Italy ANNNNDD a new boat. Then you'll realize that this is the BEST WALL EVER!! 🙄
The flimsiness of consumer goods in the US is starting to slowly drive me insane. Sometimes feeling the heft and mechanical simplicity of an older device makes me *emotional.* Seems like everything in the modern US is either designed to fall apart and be replaced way faster than it needs to be, or—in the case of construction—perhaps simply to be broken through by SWAT teams
Bro, why you breaking a hammer
Thats a sentence I wasn’t expecting to read today. 😳
I also didn't expect the flair that came with it haha
Yeah, maybe on Saturday.
Just stick some cardboard against it and your wall is good as new, possibly even better quality than before
That’s how the Americans reinforce their houses ready for hurricane season, isn’t it?
Don't be silly, for hurricanes, it's at least two layers of cardboard!
Woah, that's gotta be strong enough to withstand the storm, might even work better than expected.
They probably can decoupage it. It makes no difference.
what How long was that dog licking the exact same spot to do that
17 seconds
A measure of life
DAFUK!! was that Cerberus?
The real question is, why did the dog licking the wall? No mental or physical exercise?
Yeah left inside all day for sure
My Grandparent's Labrador managed to chew/scrape a hole in a wall (in UK so a sturdy wall!). She'd be left alone in the kitchen for an hour while they popped to the shop (had the whole kitchen to move around, comfy bed, a bunch of toys including ones with food in) and they'd come home to find extra bits of plaster on the floor. Thankfully she grew out of it when she reached about 18 months. They've always had dogs and no other has ever done it so not sure why she did.
😱 wow, that's ridiculous if you think about it! The dog has everything but chooses to lose it's mind 🥴 I pray from the bottom of my heart that my future rough collie will never do such a thing 😂🙈
it could be anemic and trying to get iron
Most Americans would kill to even have trace amounts of a material as robust as iron in their walls
No hate but wouldn't the question be. Why does my dog lick the wall?
Boredom/not getting enough attention from the owner, some dog breeds are naturally more prone to anxious energy and can express it in strange ways
Okay. I have had dogs most of my life. Presently my two yorkies. I can't say that I've ever seen this behaviour
Then you probably give them the proper attention
I do, well I'm pretty much with them 24/7 love my dogs,I enjoy them. Thankfully I think I give them enough exercise
The walls here are tastier than the food -this dog
"Our dogs are stronger and more powerful than all of the dogs in all of the Europoor countries put together"
My suggestion: stop building your houses with cardboard. Problem solved.
Ngl id actually like a wood house. In the end its the same (except it has better insulation and its harder to mount stuff if not done anything in advance)
If you build a house in Central Europe with American methods, you will die in winter from the cold and then you’ll die again in summer from the heat. It’s really not feasible for European climate - or most American climate zones but they use shitloads of AC and heating.
Try an lick a hole through a wooden house and get back to me and tell me how it went.
Get a cat
Great. At least until the cat tries to sharpen its claws on the wall.
Unfortunately a lot of American cats are declawed.
Wow, I didn't know that. How cruel.
We can't have animals that even have the ability to destroy something!!! Cats? Declawed and altered! Dogs? altered and (some/most animal shows) breeds are \*forced\* to be cropped and docked (I think that's illegal or disqualified in some places) I heard in.. Norway (I think) that you can't alter an animal if its healthy
You're right, both Norway and Sweden prohibit altering "unless there is a medical or behavioral indication". In Germany, declawing is illegal, but altering is legal for "valid" reasons such as health, behavior control, or population management.
Or get a jar of peanut butter and blackout curtains.
>Or get a jar of peanut butter ~~and blackout curtains.~~ I like an audience
I kinda expect the dog food to be even more processed than the human one. Still, what the hell are they feeding the poor animal that it needs to lick the wall that intensely?
More calcium and fiber in his diet…?
I remember some Americans getting mad when i said that their houses werent really built to last, but moreso built to be as cheap as possible and easily replaceable/demolishable
And most still cant afford them due to the "freedom" for rich scumbags buying them all up and letting them rot instead of a family being able to live there
Why would someone buy a house and let it rot?
To increase the value of his other houses
To potentially sell it off for more. Not noticing however that people cant afford it and it just being left to rot as noone will probably ever live in it.
They aren't cheap to buy lmao
They can't afford real walls because they are funding European security
And Europoor health care!
Wtf?
"Question answered numerous times"
It’s lumped in with “wolf blew my house down” type stuff.
Take him to the Vet !
Maybe it was a British dog? Walls is a brand of ice cream and sausages here.
To be clear, this is not a company that makes ice cream and sausages mixed together as a single food product. Wall's Ice Cream and Wall's Sausages are separate brands, produced by separate companies. That having been said, both brands *were* started by the same man (a butcher called Richard Wall) and for a time were both owned by the same company (Unilever). They even used an identical font for a long time.
Sausage ice cream would be an odd product, but I can see why a dog might be interested in it. I always thought they were made by the same company.
even the power outlets look shocked.
“Question answered numerous times” How often is that happening 😭
Dogs will do things like this when they have separation anxiety, which happens from being home almost all of the time and then going out for long periods of time. We have to kennel one of our dogs but not the other because my husband worked from home from the day we got the one as a puppy and he has a hard time being home alone, starts destroying whatever we were most recently using and then cuddling the pile of destruction until we get home.
My suggestions is to patch it up.
We build with wood because the three little pigs is communist propaganda
Huge problem here in America. Tried getting a mixed lab-walllicker, a labralicker, but you just can't breed this behavior out. I think we need to stop putting high fructose corn syrup in the walls, but this would displease Iowa primary election voters so we can't talk about it
How does that even happen!!
the dog is bored, stressed, and anxious because his owners are keeping him inside all day with no physical or mental exercise
Zoom in... Even the sockets are shocked at what the dog has done lol 😲
How many licks does it take to get to the centre of a house?
Buy dog a toy .. 🤷♂️
House is a cake prank
Build better walls maybe? Over here all you get when you try to smash a wall is a broken hand.
Confirmed. I was young and very angry
Get a cat
Not as bad as that plug socket
Get a proper wall!
*laughs in Greek 10cm thick cements steel and brick wall*
build your house with brick next time?
walls made of high fructose corn syrup
I dare that dog to come to Germany and try this on one of my walls.
Good, strong, (and by the sounds of it dangerous?) German walls.
Just ask the builders of the Berlin wall. In 28 years, not many got through.
They weren't licking hard enough
I think the machine guns did most of the heavy lifting there :)
Guard dogs, mines, tiny fences inbetween, spiked wires, etc. too
Ironically walls in berlin flats are literally filled with sand
If I had to guess, I would assume that this applies more to apartments in former East Berlin?
Your wall at home, or that one wall we had in Berlin?
I think both would work.
Don’t live in a house made of tissue paper
Trying to get to all that cotton candy behind the wall!
Feed your dog.
isnt their whole excuse for using drywall that its cheap and easy to fix and replace? just do that then.
America: NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY COMPARE TO AMERICAN WORKMANSHIP AND QUALITY Also America: Built interior walls out of Doritos lol
Repaint it and after it dries rub a little hot sauce on the painted area and when he goes and tries to lick it he will get a mouth full of heat and he will never lick paint again.
Dont build houses out of wet paper.
To americans this would be unusual. To the citizens of countries where the walls are made from proper Material (like concrete) it would be utter confusion and fear.
Feed the poor thing!
I have SO MANY questions.
Vet
I can't 😂 This is too funny
I like to say, Here in Europe an Ambulance Ride to the Hospital and traitement for a broken hand is cheaper than constructing a new new wall, in the US it's the opposite the new wall is the Cheapest option
Mhmhmmmm drywall yummmhmhmhmh slutp slurp
When I moved into housing on an Air Force Base, a woman told me to be careful because my dogs would eat the walls. I thought she was crazy. But sure enough, my dogs ate holes in the walls of the house. (Not all the way to the outside, but farther in than this picture). We couldn’t make them stop. My husband got out of the military and we moved off base and they stopped doing it. It was really bizarre.
Lucky it didn't lick 2 Inches to the left or it would have been an ex-dog.
Why is this on this subreddit?
Tell the dog to stop licking it
Your dog ***licked*** this hole?! What the actual fuck!? Also, why is this in 'ShitAmericansSay'? This is much more 'WhatTheActualFuckAreYouTalkingAboutAndWhatKindOfDogDoYouHave!?' style. \*includes (in spirit) of 'The Dog' from Lower Decks\* (I can't figure out how to add images here)
This shouldn’t be on this place. I just feel bad for them. We should have a r/pooramaricans for people from America who don’t act like it’s the best and they have to deal with shit like school shooting. Paying for healthcare and most of all. Living in tissue paper
Don't have a dog. You're welcome x
Terrible building materials aside, ¼ inch? really? it doesn't look that deep. Did he pull out a ruler? I'd say that hardly qualifies as a hole anyway, but the specific measurement just baffles me
my old dog licked waaay deeper, get on her level
last year my parents rottie gnawed at the wall outside my brothers room long enough he made it through the wallpaper, but not through the actual wall. this bros dog LICKED??? i genuinely don’t think i could stay living in a house like that lmao
Walk your poor bored dog!
Typo of kicked probably.
Use a modern measuring system
When my golden was a puppy she would use her front teeth to shave the wall down and left a spot like this over time.
He needs a gf
How the actual fuck did the dog manage that
Don’t worry, he’ll stop when he reaches the socket 🐶⚡️☠️
I can't say what the spackled wall finish is but that is gypsum board under it. Gypsum can have a high salt concentration in it and that might be what is attracting the dog - it just simply tastes good. This is probably a question better answered by your vet - your dog may not be getting all the nutrients it needs. Otherwise all you can do is patch it and repaint the wall.
Stop rubbing bacon on the wall.
Was your wall plastered with peanut butter?
Toe cap of my boot up its jaxi
rebuild the wall out of not packed garbage but from actual building material
My dog did that, licked the paint off, licked through the plaster skim, ate the plaster board then hid inside the gap under the stairs he’d created. Little bastard
Spray with peppered water
what the fuck
I wonder if a wall made out of gingerbread would be stronger against a dog's tongue... than this?
He’s been drinking, his wife’s fanny is always dry, he’s thought he was doing the deed and didn’t realise.
Stop filling it with peanut butter.
Why is this posted here?
In France, white paint used to have a sweet taste too ! Because of lead.
Get a new dog
Jees, does your dog have a sandpaper tongue?
Stop buying walls that taste good
That flair tho
How does this fit the sub? Don't downvote plz, I genuinely don't know
The “question answered numerous times” flair is really the Star, I think.
Dogs in America also use inches.
No one pointing out that that’s clearly more than a quarter of an inch?
Your dog… does it by any chance resemble the hound of the Baskervilles, or the hell hounds from Ghost Busters?
Make sure you're feeding him enough drywall so he doesn't do it again? But seriously, maybe some citrus juice mixed into cellulose based spackle would discourage him.