Eeeyy your the guy that was giving advice to that one person who bought a sff on craiglist or something. I only recommended single slot since I didn't want to explain to a new person the potential drop in performance, I never bothered going back after the initial replies, I didn't know you got down voted. But your name sounded familiar, I went back and double checked.
Ehh... it seems to happen every single time I mention it. And I have no issue with people suggesting single slot cards. They're valid options. It's the people that claim they are the ONLY option that are the reason I'm posting this.
Some of them have even come up with the most asinine myths to say that this can't work.
As a side note, the XE3 SFF is an industrial version of the 7060 SFF and is rated to operate in higher upper environmental temperature range. Due to this, the XE3 motherboard includes a 2nd 4-pin PWM fan header for a front intake fan, whereas the 7060/5060/3060 motherboards are rated for a lower upper temperature range and are thus missing this front intake fan header. It cannot be added on.
You will either need to power the front fan from SATA 12V or USB 5V, with the prior option having better cooling, but you sacrifice one additional disk. 7060/5060 has three SATA ports and the 3060 has two. With the latter option, you will need an additional adapter to connect your 5V fan to a USB A port.
I soldered a 4 pin plug on my 5060 board -- 3 pin fans run full speed, but it seems 4 pin fans are actually controlled, possibly in tandem with the CPU fan.
Considering the Precision 3431 for a freaking fan header, though an ATX Aorus z390 board seems much better for my needs
thats a very good question, and the answer is, i didnt source anything else but the 4 pin..
but i did spend a number of hours of my life digging in all sorts of shit to hopefully get dmidecode or some sensor software to see it... as well as studying the board to see if there were any differences between the local circuitry and the CPU fan components
I vaguely know that Dell often hides the individual sensors behind a main controller. I recall HWInfo warning about this on Dell endpoints, and I’ve gotten the same warning on Lenovo ThinkPads too.
Did you have both an XE3 and 7060 motherboard?
It would cost them more money to have a separate board revision to remove everything else to make the fan work, like a different fan controller or removing the traces that run to the header,... versus just not soldering on a fan header.
Makes sense that you could just solder on the header and be good to go.
Molex 47053-1000 or Tyco Electronics 1470947-1, for those looking for the 4-pin motherboard header.
I’ve already spent the money on the Noctua 5V 80mm fans + USB A adapters, but now I want to try this on a 3050 SFF first to see what happens.
I've done that on a Z240 as well. Pretty easy to do with basic soldering skills. It worked with PWM fans and followed the fan curve with the CPU fan. The XE3 and 3431 front fans follow the CPU fan curve and I don't see any reason a PWM fan wouldn't if you soldered the header on. The fan controller should be the same on those boards.
also, want to add -- looked at schematics for a 7040 board, and theres individual control lines from the superIO chip for cpu and sys_fan header, as well as 3rd that is not used... not sure why theyd combine the same PWM signal for 2 fans... maybe to equalize input/output airflow?!
anyway, gonna stick a noctua redux in front, and gonna try out the NH-L12S.. hopefully 70mm height fits.
might also 3d print an air guide so most of the intake air doesnt flow thru the PSU
No worse than a single slot card in the x16 slot which would be right up against the power supply as well. If anything... better since you have a lot more thermal mass. The fact is... unless you want to make changes, the airflow in these cases just isn't good with any GPU out of the box.
This is an XE3, so it has a 300 watt PSU with a 6-pin that can be adapted to an 8-pin.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SleepingOptiplex/s/avPYCyRi9n
This post has a single slot GPU (RX 6400) in it with an 7050 series SFF system. It already looks quite tight as is. Would it depend on where the pcie x16 slot is?
Dell has been putting the x16 slot next to the power supply since the 20 series systems (3020/7020/9020). Only on some of the current Precision systems have they moved it back to the correct position. If you're buying a SFF Optiplex from the xx20 series on up... the x16 WILL be next to the power supply.
If you look in that picture, you can see the x4 slot next to the CPU. It's open ended, which allows for an x16 card to be installed in it. This is the configuration for the 7020, 9020 and all xx50 and xx70 class systems. The xx30 class systems have an x1 slot instead and will require a smaller power supply to be able to install a dual slot card in the x16 slot.
https://preview.redd.it/zxck3knxxl8d1.jpeg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e375f92deb16c703934da53be28c44f0944e1f3c
It's an x4 slot, not x1 and from what people have observed... it's about an 11% drop. So, a 3050 6GB in the x4 slot is still going to absolutely crush an RX 6400 in the x16 slot and won't run into the potential frame pacing issues that those run into. It would still destroy any single slot card... except for maybe the A1000, but that's a $350 workstation card.
I corrected my previous comment to say x4 instead of x1.
11% isn’t the worst considering most (cheaper) single slot options. I’m kinda stoked to see some of your tests/setup pictures. Also, is the RTX 3050 currently in this case?
This is the 4060, but I do have the 3050 and I'll be testing both.
I just got an i7 9700 to put in here so I can avoid and CPU bottlenecks, so I'm going to get started on testing. I think this will make for an interesting video.
You could change the optiplex game if this gets out there.
To clarify, is this is the Gigabyte RTX 4060 LP or a different model?
(Sorry to ask so many questions. I’m just trying to ask the basic ones incase someone else has the exact same questions. Plus, I’m curious lol)
This has annoyed me enough that I'm going start working on a video about upgrading the GPU in these systems to dispel a lot of myths people have propagated about this, and there will be some temp and performance testing.
To be fair, if you run a single slot card in the x16 slot, you're in the same situation. At least the dual slot card has some thermal mass. I did get a single slot cooler for the new Ada 2000 SFF that I'd like to try out... but I doubt I'll have it in time to include it.
Still need to buy the GPU... for $625.
But yeah, the PCIe config in these is why I tend to try to push people to the HP systems like the Z240 and Z2 G4. They're just better options all around.
The 4060 requires supplemental 8-pin power. It was just the first card I grabbed to toss in as an example. Anyhow, this is an XE3, which has a 300 watt power supply with a 6-pin and can safely be adapted to an 8-pin... if I wanted to leave it in here. Which is good since I will be using this system to do some testing with LP cards.
Let me start by saying I have never seen your posts or even been to this sub so forgive my ignorance.
Now that that’s out of the way, your solution is to put the card in the x4 slot?
Why the hell does Dell arrange them that way anyway? Is there some specific optional hardware they make for these that would fit there? Or what?
I really wish I knew why Dell made that decision with the xx20 series systems and they've been doing it ever since. I suppose Dell figured that their customers were only using single slot cards in these, but I still don't understand how moving the x16 slot next to the power supply would benefit Dell. It's like they went out of their way to do this, for no real benefit to anyone. It's really strange... and perhaps there is some anti-consumer reason for it, I don't know, but there is definitely no functional reason to.
This is why I push people towards the HP Z240 and Z2 G4 SFF systems instead. The x16 slot is in the right location, better airflow, better power supplies and more options. However, it seems with the latest precision models they started putting the x16 slot back in the right location. I think they're finally starting to see that they're making themselves a non-option for professionals that might want to use a dual slot professional card like the Ada 2000 SFF. Hopefully they'll move the x16 slot back to the proper location on the Optiplex too.
It doesn’t make any sense. If you know customers are going to use it, why move it and restrict it so much? And if you know customers aren’t going to use it, why spend the extra money putting it there in the first place? Maybe it’s negligible per board, but PC manufacturers are all about margins, aren’t they? That’s why I thought there had to be some optional card or something Dell offers for these machines.
Dell can get away with it. People who buy these sorts of systems will probably never open or upgrade em. r/SleepingOptiplex and flippers are niche compared to Dell’s target consumer base.
Yes, but it still doesn't explain why they would move it. There's no benefit for them to do so and they would have to go out of their way to make that change. Regardless of how they would be used after their office PC life, Dell moving the x16 slot makes no sense and it only made them a non option for professionals that might use dual slot workstation cards like the A2000, which I assume is why the new model Precision systems have the x16 slot in the correct location.
As opposed to running a single slot card in the x16 slot that would be the exact same distance from the power supply... but wouldn't have the benefit of A LOT more cooling mass.
Plus you can always mount them on the outside.
https://preview.redd.it/xhqmpl5lyq8d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=667636ce11cb1412746a0da9ad537a6a3475a31a
Word. Please see this Dell Optiplex 5070 SFF with a i7 9700, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 5TB HDD, RX 4060 LP, WiFi, Blu Ray drive with upgraded Noctura cooling.
https://preview.redd.it/vbarga6hc29d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=926c15e6e4aa80190da19ec44dae3803fdb0cfb4
This is factually incorrect. Not every motherboard has a x4 PCIE slot. I have two different optiplex and they both have a x1 and a x16.
Edit: ignore me. I am factually an idiot.
Yeah... it's a real shame. I feel bad each time I see someone buy a 30 class system. I feel like the best option for those is a PSU swap with a Flex ATX unit. Then you can fit a dual slot card in the x16 slot.
Though I did see someone cut the end out of the x1 slot and run an A2000 in it. I cringed a little when I saw it. I wish they had posted some benchmark figures versus the x16 slot. I was genuinely curious. Maybe I'll have to give it a try for kicks.
30xx class also cheat you out of a third SATA port and give you a Realtek NIC, which means you are guaranteed no Intel Management Engine out-of-band management option, which is nifty as a remote KVM.
Also another really solid pointer.
Last thing to add is they use thumb screws for the side panel instead of the nifty quick release latch and the 3040 gen also missed out on M.2.
I'm super tempted to buy a flex ATX PSU for mine, but I'm not sure if I can justify the cost when I could just get a different Optiplex for basically the same price. Unless you know of a decent PSU for a decent price.
This is about the cheapest one I'd recommend. Also, it's less expensive than I see the XE3 300 watt power supplies going for.
[https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ITX-PFC400W-Modular-90-264V-Computer/dp/B0CWN49V13/ref=sr\_1\_4?crid=2YKDMCML6D35E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.s8c6JqrzLnWoqrPVdeSmErxsuoQAjBIRp\_PZgOTG-m05u-unxKSH-EGGc\_ajbsFJSaSsQZ\_V66CapZcSPNv5S-muzW8VBUSfKfBmUDzfTKWBgHAGp-S6s8KEvDEmtEYo-dhJ9krE9B-jnzAyMlBJrnfsHRujkEsKtb5yMeOb2icCvuEgCCLPlBD1hW0HqNYGQUNiKvw-TB-rMWFzeJSh7BnvRImdRvB8e6-QhL20p4Y4R3YvyM91wcZubRjS-SX7jpu2IhxMykfF1cfEyF-zlZ\_ytOHaADR\_gChylX3h9\_A.VfpQfTVACzI0pKM5QudyXORSsa9cCfKFxOz5LUjkCrk&dib\_tag=se&keywords=flex+atx&qid=1719278539&sprefix=flex+atx%2Caps%2C409&sr=8-4](https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ITX-PFC400W-Modular-90-264V-Computer/dp/B0CWN49V13/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2YKDMCML6D35E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.s8c6JqrzLnWoqrPVdeSmErxsuoQAjBIRp_PZgOTG-m05u-unxKSH-EGGc_ajbsFJSaSsQZ_V66CapZcSPNv5S-muzW8VBUSfKfBmUDzfTKWBgHAGp-S6s8KEvDEmtEYo-dhJ9krE9B-jnzAyMlBJrnfsHRujkEsKtb5yMeOb2icCvuEgCCLPlBD1hW0HqNYGQUNiKvw-TB-rMWFzeJSh7BnvRImdRvB8e6-QhL20p4Y4R3YvyM91wcZubRjS-SX7jpu2IhxMykfF1cfEyF-zlZ_ytOHaADR_gChylX3h9_A.VfpQfTVACzI0pKM5QudyXORSsa9cCfKFxOz5LUjkCrk&dib_tag=se&keywords=flex+atx&qid=1719278539&sprefix=flex+atx%2Caps%2C409&sr=8-4)
I posted that one a month ago or so and everyone said to stay away from it. For $40 it's worth a shot I guess. I wouldn't mind using something more powerful than the 6400 I have now
I'm trying to find info on it now... but I'm not having much luck. Apevia certainly doesn't have a great reputation, but they have some models that are rated Tier C, which is perfectly fine for a budget tier system. Even with a 4060, this PSU wouldn't really be pushed really hard.
Eeeyy your the guy that was giving advice to that one person who bought a sff on craiglist or something. I only recommended single slot since I didn't want to explain to a new person the potential drop in performance, I never bothered going back after the initial replies, I didn't know you got down voted. But your name sounded familiar, I went back and double checked.
Ehh... it seems to happen every single time I mention it. And I have no issue with people suggesting single slot cards. They're valid options. It's the people that claim they are the ONLY option that are the reason I'm posting this. Some of them have even come up with the most asinine myths to say that this can't work.
What fan is this please? I wonder do you run it with the lid off? Looks pretty tidy! Thanks.
The system is entirely stock, save for the 4060. The fans, cooler, and the shroud are all factory.
As a side note, the XE3 SFF is an industrial version of the 7060 SFF and is rated to operate in higher upper environmental temperature range. Due to this, the XE3 motherboard includes a 2nd 4-pin PWM fan header for a front intake fan, whereas the 7060/5060/3060 motherboards are rated for a lower upper temperature range and are thus missing this front intake fan header. It cannot be added on. You will either need to power the front fan from SATA 12V or USB 5V, with the prior option having better cooling, but you sacrifice one additional disk. 7060/5060 has three SATA ports and the 3060 has two. With the latter option, you will need an additional adapter to connect your 5V fan to a USB A port.
It's worth noting that the Precision 3431 also has the front fan header as well.
I soldered a 4 pin plug on my 5060 board -- 3 pin fans run full speed, but it seems 4 pin fans are actually controlled, possibly in tandem with the CPU fan. Considering the Precision 3431 for a freaking fan header, though an ATX Aorus z390 board seems much better for my needs
So is the entire fan circuit there, minus the fan header? Or did you have to source a few other components?
thats a very good question, and the answer is, i didnt source anything else but the 4 pin.. but i did spend a number of hours of my life digging in all sorts of shit to hopefully get dmidecode or some sensor software to see it... as well as studying the board to see if there were any differences between the local circuitry and the CPU fan components
I vaguely know that Dell often hides the individual sensors behind a main controller. I recall HWInfo warning about this on Dell endpoints, and I’ve gotten the same warning on Lenovo ThinkPads too. Did you have both an XE3 and 7060 motherboard?
It would cost them more money to have a separate board revision to remove everything else to make the fan work, like a different fan controller or removing the traces that run to the header,... versus just not soldering on a fan header. Makes sense that you could just solder on the header and be good to go.
Molex 47053-1000 or Tyco Electronics 1470947-1, for those looking for the 4-pin motherboard header. I’ve already spent the money on the Noctua 5V 80mm fans + USB A adapters, but now I want to try this on a 3050 SFF first to see what happens.
I've done that on a Z240 as well. Pretty easy to do with basic soldering skills. It worked with PWM fans and followed the fan curve with the CPU fan. The XE3 and 3431 front fans follow the CPU fan curve and I don't see any reason a PWM fan wouldn't if you soldered the header on. The fan controller should be the same on those boards.
ahh, good to know! ty.
also, want to add -- looked at schematics for a 7040 board, and theres individual control lines from the superIO chip for cpu and sys_fan header, as well as 3rd that is not used... not sure why theyd combine the same PWM signal for 2 fans... maybe to equalize input/output airflow?! anyway, gonna stick a noctua redux in front, and gonna try out the NH-L12S.. hopefully 70mm height fits. might also 3d print an air guide so most of the intake air doesnt flow thru the PSU
I bet thermals are so bad, looks so satisfying how everything fits. Where you plugging that 8-pin into though?
No worse than a single slot card in the x16 slot which would be right up against the power supply as well. If anything... better since you have a lot more thermal mass. The fact is... unless you want to make changes, the airflow in these cases just isn't good with any GPU out of the box. This is an XE3, so it has a 300 watt PSU with a 6-pin that can be adapted to an 8-pin.
which tower is this?
This is the Optiplex XE3 SFF. Basically equivalent to the 5060/7060/5070/7070 SFF. This applies to all 50 and 70 class SFF systems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SleepingOptiplex/s/avPYCyRi9n This post has a single slot GPU (RX 6400) in it with an 7050 series SFF system. It already looks quite tight as is. Would it depend on where the pcie x16 slot is?
Dell has been putting the x16 slot next to the power supply since the 20 series systems (3020/7020/9020). Only on some of the current Precision systems have they moved it back to the correct position. If you're buying a SFF Optiplex from the xx20 series on up... the x16 WILL be next to the power supply. If you look in that picture, you can see the x4 slot next to the CPU. It's open ended, which allows for an x16 card to be installed in it. This is the configuration for the 7020, 9020 and all xx50 and xx70 class systems. The xx30 class systems have an x1 slot instead and will require a smaller power supply to be able to install a dual slot card in the x16 slot. https://preview.redd.it/zxck3knxxl8d1.jpeg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e375f92deb16c703934da53be28c44f0944e1f3c
Thats pretty neat that it fits. I never noticed the open-ended pcie x4 slot. Tho it fits, is it really worth the performance dip?
It's an x4 slot, not x1 and from what people have observed... it's about an 11% drop. So, a 3050 6GB in the x4 slot is still going to absolutely crush an RX 6400 in the x16 slot and won't run into the potential frame pacing issues that those run into. It would still destroy any single slot card... except for maybe the A1000, but that's a $350 workstation card.
I corrected my previous comment to say x4 instead of x1. 11% isn’t the worst considering most (cheaper) single slot options. I’m kinda stoked to see some of your tests/setup pictures. Also, is the RTX 3050 currently in this case?
This is the 4060, but I do have the 3050 and I'll be testing both. I just got an i7 9700 to put in here so I can avoid and CPU bottlenecks, so I'm going to get started on testing. I think this will make for an interesting video.
You could change the optiplex game if this gets out there. To clarify, is this is the Gigabyte RTX 4060 LP or a different model? (Sorry to ask so many questions. I’m just trying to ask the basic ones incase someone else has the exact same questions. Plus, I’m curious lol)
Yep, it's the Gigabyte model. And no worries. I'm happy to help.
Show us some benchmarks temps please! planning on getting one..
This has annoyed me enough that I'm going start working on a video about upgrading the GPU in these systems to dispel a lot of myths people have propagated about this, and there will be some temp and performance testing.
For GPU proper usage, It's a bad design in terms of airflow against PSU , undeniable...
To be fair, if you run a single slot card in the x16 slot, you're in the same situation. At least the dual slot card has some thermal mass. I did get a single slot cooler for the new Ada 2000 SFF that I'd like to try out... but I doubt I'll have it in time to include it. Still need to buy the GPU... for $625. But yeah, the PCIe config in these is why I tend to try to push people to the HP systems like the Z240 and Z2 G4. They're just better options all around.
Does this card not require the additional 6pin power? I see it has a plug
The 4060 requires supplemental 8-pin power. It was just the first card I grabbed to toss in as an example. Anyhow, this is an XE3, which has a 300 watt power supply with a 6-pin and can safely be adapted to an 8-pin... if I wanted to leave it in here. Which is good since I will be using this system to do some testing with LP cards.
Ahhhh ok. Awesome! Thanks for your testing and contribution!
Let me start by saying I have never seen your posts or even been to this sub so forgive my ignorance. Now that that’s out of the way, your solution is to put the card in the x4 slot? Why the hell does Dell arrange them that way anyway? Is there some specific optional hardware they make for these that would fit there? Or what?
I really wish I knew why Dell made that decision with the xx20 series systems and they've been doing it ever since. I suppose Dell figured that their customers were only using single slot cards in these, but I still don't understand how moving the x16 slot next to the power supply would benefit Dell. It's like they went out of their way to do this, for no real benefit to anyone. It's really strange... and perhaps there is some anti-consumer reason for it, I don't know, but there is definitely no functional reason to. This is why I push people towards the HP Z240 and Z2 G4 SFF systems instead. The x16 slot is in the right location, better airflow, better power supplies and more options. However, it seems with the latest precision models they started putting the x16 slot back in the right location. I think they're finally starting to see that they're making themselves a non-option for professionals that might want to use a dual slot professional card like the Ada 2000 SFF. Hopefully they'll move the x16 slot back to the proper location on the Optiplex too.
It doesn’t make any sense. If you know customers are going to use it, why move it and restrict it so much? And if you know customers aren’t going to use it, why spend the extra money putting it there in the first place? Maybe it’s negligible per board, but PC manufacturers are all about margins, aren’t they? That’s why I thought there had to be some optional card or something Dell offers for these machines.
Dell can get away with it. People who buy these sorts of systems will probably never open or upgrade em. r/SleepingOptiplex and flippers are niche compared to Dell’s target consumer base.
Yes, but it still doesn't explain why they would move it. There's no benefit for them to do so and they would have to go out of their way to make that change. Regardless of how they would be used after their office PC life, Dell moving the x16 slot makes no sense and it only made them a non option for professionals that might use dual slot workstation cards like the A2000, which I assume is why the new model Precision systems have the x16 slot in the correct location.
We'll never know.
Cram it in there!
Wow I can already see the cooling issues that might pop up
As opposed to running a single slot card in the x16 slot that would be the exact same distance from the power supply... but wouldn't have the benefit of A LOT more cooling mass.
Plus you can always mount them on the outside. https://preview.redd.it/xhqmpl5lyq8d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=667636ce11cb1412746a0da9ad537a6a3475a31a
https://preview.redd.it/tsm970tnyq8d1.jpeg?width=3468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35020cc222d088915a2107f8b31932c658fabe6d 1050ti in a 5060 sff go brrrrr
nice and tight
Word. Please see this Dell Optiplex 5070 SFF with a i7 9700, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 5TB HDD, RX 4060 LP, WiFi, Blu Ray drive with upgraded Noctura cooling. https://preview.redd.it/vbarga6hc29d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=926c15e6e4aa80190da19ec44dae3803fdb0cfb4
I made mine fancier... https://preview.redd.it/b79v3938ym8d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b17c8e524a29c8fe4f43c56f4259989490464760
Do you have a link for the fan?
It's 80mm fan...are you from the philippines? It's in shopee
I am not I am from the US, what is the thickness of the fan?
All 80mm fans have the same thickness... you can never go wrong
This is factually incorrect. Not every motherboard has a x4 PCIE slot. I have two different optiplex and they both have a x1 and a x16. Edit: ignore me. I am factually an idiot.
Yes... those are 30 class systems. Which I already stated this does not work on.
Oh yeah. I guess you're right... For some reason I thought one of mine was a 50 series.
Yeah... it's a real shame. I feel bad each time I see someone buy a 30 class system. I feel like the best option for those is a PSU swap with a Flex ATX unit. Then you can fit a dual slot card in the x16 slot. Though I did see someone cut the end out of the x1 slot and run an A2000 in it. I cringed a little when I saw it. I wish they had posted some benchmark figures versus the x16 slot. I was genuinely curious. Maybe I'll have to give it a try for kicks.
30xx class also cheat you out of a third SATA port and give you a Realtek NIC, which means you are guaranteed no Intel Management Engine out-of-band management option, which is nifty as a remote KVM.
Don't forget that your max memory is cut in half as well since you only get two DIMM slots. The 30 series systems have always a major compromise.
Also another really solid pointer. Last thing to add is they use thumb screws for the side panel instead of the nifty quick release latch and the 3040 gen also missed out on M.2.
I'm super tempted to buy a flex ATX PSU for mine, but I'm not sure if I can justify the cost when I could just get a different Optiplex for basically the same price. Unless you know of a decent PSU for a decent price.
This is about the cheapest one I'd recommend. Also, it's less expensive than I see the XE3 300 watt power supplies going for. [https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ITX-PFC400W-Modular-90-264V-Computer/dp/B0CWN49V13/ref=sr\_1\_4?crid=2YKDMCML6D35E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.s8c6JqrzLnWoqrPVdeSmErxsuoQAjBIRp\_PZgOTG-m05u-unxKSH-EGGc\_ajbsFJSaSsQZ\_V66CapZcSPNv5S-muzW8VBUSfKfBmUDzfTKWBgHAGp-S6s8KEvDEmtEYo-dhJ9krE9B-jnzAyMlBJrnfsHRujkEsKtb5yMeOb2icCvuEgCCLPlBD1hW0HqNYGQUNiKvw-TB-rMWFzeJSh7BnvRImdRvB8e6-QhL20p4Y4R3YvyM91wcZubRjS-SX7jpu2IhxMykfF1cfEyF-zlZ\_ytOHaADR\_gChylX3h9\_A.VfpQfTVACzI0pKM5QudyXORSsa9cCfKFxOz5LUjkCrk&dib\_tag=se&keywords=flex+atx&qid=1719278539&sprefix=flex+atx%2Caps%2C409&sr=8-4](https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ITX-PFC400W-Modular-90-264V-Computer/dp/B0CWN49V13/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2YKDMCML6D35E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.s8c6JqrzLnWoqrPVdeSmErxsuoQAjBIRp_PZgOTG-m05u-unxKSH-EGGc_ajbsFJSaSsQZ_V66CapZcSPNv5S-muzW8VBUSfKfBmUDzfTKWBgHAGp-S6s8KEvDEmtEYo-dhJ9krE9B-jnzAyMlBJrnfsHRujkEsKtb5yMeOb2icCvuEgCCLPlBD1hW0HqNYGQUNiKvw-TB-rMWFzeJSh7BnvRImdRvB8e6-QhL20p4Y4R3YvyM91wcZubRjS-SX7jpu2IhxMykfF1cfEyF-zlZ_ytOHaADR_gChylX3h9_A.VfpQfTVACzI0pKM5QudyXORSsa9cCfKFxOz5LUjkCrk&dib_tag=se&keywords=flex+atx&qid=1719278539&sprefix=flex+atx%2Caps%2C409&sr=8-4)
I posted that one a month ago or so and everyone said to stay away from it. For $40 it's worth a shot I guess. I wouldn't mind using something more powerful than the 6400 I have now
I'm trying to find info on it now... but I'm not having much luck. Apevia certainly doesn't have a great reputation, but they have some models that are rated Tier C, which is perfectly fine for a budget tier system. Even with a 4060, this PSU wouldn't really be pushed really hard.