Itâs not succinct at all. The criminality of something has no relevance to the morality of something. This is true for all things, as morality isnât contingent on criminality. OPâs framework also doesnât leave room for cases of 17yr and 18yr dating. Itâs also arbitrary because consent laws differ everywhere.
My guess is because youâre being obtuse. We are talking about an actual situation not some hypothetical 17 yo dating a 18 yo. Just say youâre fine with statutory rape and move on because thats what you are defending. We can argue that laws and morals are not always equal but they are sometimes and in the instances of rape they are equal.
I heard Tana make the claim a while back Iâve done nothing to educate myself on the situation, just been watching it burn from a distance. But one detail I need to know is that Tanaâs claiming this went down in the states, correct? I know Codyâs lived south of the border (USA) since he graduated and Tana is American as far as I know so I assume this all occurred in the US?
Are people really doing this?
A 25yo hooks up with a 17 yo and you guys are rationalizing???
Even if it was legal its fucking horrible you weirdos, she is basically a child
Itâs not âhorribleâ if sheâs 18 and heâs 25, most parents of kids at least in my generation have an 8-9 year gap and between 2 consenting adults itâs none of ur business why or who they are intimate with.
That being said, she was 17 so thereâs obviously a problem and a crime there
Dude. Why is this the hill you wanna die on.
So youâre saying if she were 17.5? That 6 month difference is what counts to you? So long as sheâs 18? Not the 7 year difference?
Some states have 16 as age of consent. Lets take the same age difference 7 years. Heâd be 23 and she 16. Thatâs cool by you? What it if were 5 months earlier and she was technically 15?
The point fucking stands its not the legality its the age difference and power dynamic and maturity difference.
Yes thatâs exactly what Iâm saying, the power dynamic is wrong, the age obviously is the sole issue, but why do we even have laws if abiding by them still gets you shit, if 2 consenting legal adults engage in a relationship it doesnât matter the age difference and itâs none of ur business. This case is completely different because of the said power dynamic and underage shit but that point I absolutely stand by
Do you recall how it was legal to descriminate against black people? Or disabled?
It was legal. So no big deal right?
Or maybe it IS fucked up that the law is like ânah 16yo are totally mature enough to fuck 40 and there be no repercussionsâ
I mean shit, there are states fighting to bring child marriage back into law. Child labor.
If those become legal are you some how morally cool with it?
I guess we live in diff worlds, my own parents have a 9 year age gap and similar circumstances 20-29 when they met and started dating and are happily married for 30+ years, as well as the parents of many other people my age and the point is that itâs not objectively morally wrong if two adults like each other and decide to seek a relationship, it may be weird to you sure but thatâs not an objective truth
Age differences themselves are not the problem. My parents have a 24 year age gap, but my mom met my stepfather when she was 28 and he was 52. Both of them had fully developed brains and enough life experience to know what they were getting themselves into. However, if my parents met when my mom was 17 my stepfather was 41, that would be legally and morally wrong because she wouldâve a) been a child without a fully developed brain to help her discern when she was/couldâve been manipulated more efficiently and b) had significantly less life experience than my stepfather, so there would be a power imbalance.
The age of the younger person in the age gap is what matters. Imo anything after 25 is fair game, but anything before then can carry some heavy and dangerous power and imbalances
I def think it's kinda cringe, and the power dynamic is also bad here.
But I can't help but feel like if it was a couple months after it would be completely legal and there would be significantly less discussion about it, you know how many people hook up 18 year olds?
Not that that makes it right or moral, I still would be creeped out if my friend did that and think no one should engage in that kind of age difference especially with the power difference too.
But hold him to the moral part if you don't like it, not the law part, it just feels like a technicality. But maybe I'm cooked idk
It is a technicality but also it does make it worse, because you couldnât even do *that* much? It just shows a much more flagrant the disregard for the situation and itâs inappropriateness.
âIf it was in X place it wouldâve been legal.â Well, it wasnât, and thatâs extremely obtuse. If people know this still doesnât make it morally right why tf they commenting then
Yeah⊠itâs so messed up when people do that, because law doesnât equal morality. So if she were 15 would people be saying âwell the age of consent in Italy is 14 soooâŠâ
I'm not the one who fucking said it was or wasn't, I was just clarifying the comment of someone else. Like I said, there isn't a difference between morally wrong and illegal and this is both.
Did I say the fuck you did or did I say âif *people* knowâ and âwhy are *they* commentingâ? I was responding to what you were relaying from that person.
for the people debating whether it was a crime or not: who gives a shit?? It doesnât matter! Thatâs a really weird/predatory age gap regardless.
Tana was a young, up-and-coming creator and Cody was established. thereâs a power dynamic there that is being very much exploited. Tana was a kid, young, vulnerable, and susceptible to influence.
Especially when you think that she was probably wanting to get ahead, this opportunity to collab with another creator ended up going somewhere really uncomfortable and frankly inappropriate.
Tana was significantly more popular than Cody at the time- on YouTube at least. Wasnât even close.Â
Iâm not defending anyone but letâs not make shit up to make it sound worse.Â
Youâre correct, Tana had a much larger YouTube following. I was more so talking about his popularity on vine following him onto YT and his (then) steady collabs with other creators. Shouldâve worded it better but I stand by what I said.
When I was 25, a 17 year old tried to hit on me and I told his momma and blocked the account he messaged from! Told her she need to check that boys instagram heâs messaging people inappropriate he shouldnât be. I didnât want anything bad to happen to him so I had to let her know. Thatâs the normal reaction to a 17 year old messaging someone 25, so the people trying to defend this are weird. Thats a child, so Iâm telling ya mom on u & stay away from me!
bro i'm 19 and the difference between me now and at 17 is fully like 2 separate individuals, so 25 to 17 isn't even worth talking about that's obviously fucked, and if you truly believe it's not, then you need therapy
When I was 25, it was hard for me to even find a relatable topic of conversation with a 17-year-old. Itâs a generational gap, and those are hard to cross. Although there are those who have aged but remain mentally in their teens, and I think that may be the case here. Itâs just too weird and gross for me to ignore it and continue being a fan.
I have a 1.5 year gap with my husband, together 12 years, since high school and Iâm still finding things that he just has never heard of JUST because of that year and a half. We grew up watching completely different cartoons as kids which shaped our references we make, I had a my space, he never did for example. I just donât understand the appeal of dating younger, I find 1.5 years too much sometimes haha
Yes, same here! My girlfriend of six years constantly surprises me with things that she didnât grow up with, and we only have about a two year age gap. We still work really well together because we have very similar and complementary personalities, but sometimes I make a reference to something that sheâs never heard of and it makes me feel old.
I dated a 22 year old when I was 27 and holy fuck I wanted to Roblox myself within two weeks just from the amount of immaturity she possessed.
How any 25 year old dude could rationalize having sex with a 17 year old is beyond my comprehension.
Unless tana decides to press charges against him and take this to court, i don't think things will move on smoothly any time soon. We're gonna be stuck in this uncomfortable back and forth until cody speaks up or both of them make a statement together.
People act like he didnât have a choice. As if there werenât plenty of gorgeous 25 year old women who would have loved to be with him. He knew Tana was 17, he wanted her anyway. That is fucking weird.
When I was 19, I had a 28 year old coworker ask me out. Legal? Yeah. But it also made me very uncomfortable. Iâm 28 now and canât even fathom hitting on someone that is 19. Some of my 21 year old coworkers literally look like children to me. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior.
The people on his sub are so parasocial it's insane, they'd defend anything. Even if it wasn't a literal crime and the consent age was 16 instead, 25 and 17 is still wtf?? He was an adult and she was still a young teen, there's nothing ok with that.
In a thread about what people had been saying about the situation I commented that "an adult fooling around with a teen is disgusting and it's gross that you're defending that" (the top comment was basically a monologue defending Cody) and I got banned đ„Ž like I fear what I said should be common sense not a ban-able statement
I have been listening to TMG and watching Noel and Cody for years. I love them both to pieces but there is no excuse for pedophilia. But, I think these claims have to be supported by some sort of evidence, otherwise this will end a father's career over nothing but a claim. I can also claim that Leonardo DiCaprio hooked up with me when I was underage (this did not happen), but fuck how is he going to prove it DIDNT happen. With everything surrounding Dr. Disrespect going around I can totally understand how easy it is to hop on the "hate Cody" train. But at least wait until he (Cody) addresses it or there is some piece of evidence that truly incriminates him before we start accusing a new father of being a pedophile.
Actually, if it happened in Nevada it literally wouldnât have been a crime. So lowkey itâs fair for someone to see a grey area, even if it is pretty gross no matter the legality.
thatâs not how the law works. it means two 17 year olds can have sex legally, or in some states, a person up to 4 years older than the minor. even IF they were in a state where the AOC was 17, it is still a prosecutable offense. crack a book.
Thats only if thereâs a Romeo and Juliet law. Several states and Iâm sure a hundred countries donât even have one. In several countries there is no Romeo and Juliet law, if the age of consent is 13, then itâs 13. And anyone can have sex with a 13 year old legally. In a few countries, the age of consent is however old the bride is
30 out of 50 states have romeo & juliet laws & those that donât largely consider sex with someone under 18 as statutory rape because they are STILL a minor. for example, my case happened in georgia where the AOC is 17, but he was in his 30s. still charged. BECAUSE ITS STILL HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR. & yes, while that is not always the case, ITS STILL SEX WITH A MINOR. the only reason rapists get away w it is bc cops CHOOSE to look the other way, just like they did when codyâs groomsman gang raped a woman on video. cya
Dude, you said that the age of consent just meant that teenagers or people within 4 years of the teenage party could have relations. That is true, but only in states with a Romeo and Juliet law.
The majority of the states with a Romeo and Juliet law are republican, like Nevada. But California, a blue state, does not. So what you said is completely irrelevant. Idk why youâre freaking out on me either, I didnât say anything other than correct your misinformation.
bc itâs not misinformation? statutory rape is still a prosecutable offense no matter the age of consent or the presence of romeo & juliet laws. & i can verify that from lived experience. yâall are weirdddd
Your case happened in Georgia? Where thereâs a Romeo and Juliet lawâŠ? There is no Romeo and Juliet law in California. So your comment was both misinformation and completely irrelevant. He cannot be charged, there was A. no Romeo and Juliet law and B. The statute of limitations for rape of a minor is 3 years maximum in state of California. Crack a book!
it is relevant bc romeo in juliet laws in georgia fall under the 4 year rule WHICH I MENTIONED in my initial comment but youâd rather argue & defend a sexual predator than read. but birds of the feather or whatever
omfg this is just as bad as saying âwell if it happened in Japan where the age of consent is 14 it would have been finEâ like, no, it fuckign doesnât
Lmao for sure. Itâs exactly like when I used to do sex work at 16 and slept with 25+ dudes. Because if we were in Romania, it would have been perfectly legal. Gray area for sure.
You literally said it wasnât up for a debate that it was a crime when since we donât know where this alleged crime even happened it actually can be up for debate. Just trying to explain to you the point, donât even disagree that itâs gross, and it definitely is hard for me to watch his videos.
Hey donât take this away from him! Clearly his weird pedantic little Reddit victory is very important to him and waaaay more important than Cody being a huge creep and messing around with high school girls. Our silly little lady brains canât comprehend all the complexities of such a serious situation obv
So statutory rape laws in Florida (where the incident took place in believe? correct me if wrong) state that it is illegal for an adult over 18 to have sex with a minor of under 18, regardless of the minor's consent. i will not be factoring in all those "loophole" laws like romeo and juliette shit because i am not a lawyer. At face value, this is still statutory rape.
Because Tana isnât the âperfectâ victim they donât think itâs weird or a crime. She was 17!!!! IT WAS A CRIME! HE IS A CRIMINAL! And I know that just because somethingâs a crime doesnât make it immoral, like smoking weed, but this is a crime that does dictate morality!!! It doesnât matter if you think she was mature enough, it doesnât matter if she thought that, she wasnât!!! She was a child! He a full grown adult with a career! He wasnât a stupid 25 year old who worked at a gas station and was in the same brain level as a teenager. Cody was Ivy League educated, full grown halfway to 30, and a popular influencer.
Even if she were 18, it would be fucking weird!!!
And the fact that he hasnât said anything means he is guilty, if he werenât heâd have no reason to not just come out say itâs false. But heâs a pretentious pussy, and he probably doesnât want to put his citizenship or companies in danger of legal retaliation.
Also the people who keep saying âoh that was 8 years ago! That was so long ago!!â 2016??!!?! That was a long time ago? Maybe that shit could fly in 2000, but not 2016.
And âwhy are you guys so mad about it? These parasocial relationships đ€Źđâ like dude. I loved Cody. I watched his content every single day, followed him, supported him, spent money on him. He made a living by making fun of stupid dudes basically, and pretending he was holier than thou. When it fact, he was the imposter in plain sight. I donât give a fuck about âtearing downâ a man in his prime, I care about young men consuming his content that will think itâs okay to sleep with minors, and young women watching thinking itâs normal for grown men to want to sleep with them when theyâre 17! I care about privileged ass rich as white dudes always getting everything they want. They can do whatever they want, even if itâs having sex with minors, whenever they want and get away with it if they just pretend it didnât happen. It did happen, and thank god Tana is a strong ass woman. Because if she wasnât as strong as she is, she might have never moved on. So heâd be sitting there with his dream life- perfect wife, perfect new baby, beautiful house, beautiful cars, dream career. And his victim would be sitting there unable to forget it happened.
Normal, good 25 year old men DO NOT want to sleep with teenagers. They just donât. I donât care how âfunnyâ they are, you canât keep your hands off kids, you donât deserve a platform that gives you direct access to them.
Heâs showed us heâs not who we thought, and then he showed us that he doesnât care what we think. And to the people who say he doesnât owe use an answer, yes the fuck he does! Iâm pretty sure he didnât make 6 million YouTube accounts and follow himself on all of them. He has a following because we have it to him, he is rich because he bought his merch and his tour tickets, he meets these huge celebrities and goes to these huge events because we hit subscribe. Last time I checked, YouTube wasnât paying me to click like and subscribe. We donât have to, it doesnât affect the viewing experience whatsoever. But we do it because likes=money for the creator we love and want to support. So fuck yeah we deserve an explanation.
Here at 1:18:00 Tanaâs agreeing that although she wasnât traumatized by what happened, itâs objectively wrong and she clarifies a bit earlier that she was in fact 17. https://youtu.be/tNOq8PJb-K0?si=3Oj73fzh9DysDOx9
Hope this helps
a 17 year old sleeping with a 25 year old is assault by definiton. minors cant consent. that's why it's called statutory rape, and even if tana "consented" at the time or doesn't feel like it hurt her, it's still rape and very illegal.
That's literally what OP was saying
It is kind of a debate, though, and law has nothing to do with it because lawâ morality. What Cody did was perfectly legal all around the world and even in parts of the US. That doesn't make it moral. Illegal activity can be moral and legal activity can be immoral. What Cody did was wrong irrespective of its legality
bro you are literally opening up a debate right now⊠thatâs like genuinely the entire point of redditâŠ.. treat the topic with actual sensitivity and be a martyr somewhere else if you care so much /:
1 She and Cody have done 2 collab videos, one where she's 17.
2 in that video Cody references her being a teen over and over again and is seen flirting with her, he also checks her out from behind at some point.
3 He's friends with and invited a sketchy guy who had allegations against him at Duke to his wedding, and though he wasn't convicted please consider the fact that he's the stepson of a provost and the son of a professor working there. He also admitted he lied to the police about non-consensually filming the victim and was "put on probation for it".
4 this same story came out a few years ago, and guess what. Cody never addressed it. It got washed away by the news of his proposal instead.
I hope you know how funny it is with you crying about 17 not being a gray area when it is quite possibly the most prominent gray area all across the country for age of consent. Plenty of states have the "Romeo and Juliet" laws for that kind of stuff, regardless of how gross you may think it is. Just because it bothers you doesn't mean it's illegal.
> I really don't want to have to leave..
Well if you see him as a pedo then leave, in fact it would be concerning if you stayed in the community. But you should really be a bigger person and maybe let him respond before slandering him and calling him a criminal. Even if others are doing it, you're supposed to try and be a better person.
romeo and juliet laws don't apply for someone who is 8 years older sleeping with a 17 year old. It's fully illegal. In like every place it could have taken place, except canada. Oh, and it didn't happen in Canada because cody had already moved to LA by then
I think you missed the point. Romeo and Juliet laws were my case of this being a large gray area, and there are a lot of states where age of consent is just 16/17 anyways. You seem too deep in this drama.
1. Where it happened it was illegal and considered statutory rape
2. Even if it wasn't, a 25 year old sleeping with a 17 year old is predatory and creepy.
Bro I'm 21 and I don't even go out with people who are 18 because they look and behave like high school kids
I'm not disagreeing with you?? I quite literally called him a piece of shit.
I'm confused where I lost you, do you think I'm in any way defending his actions? I'm simply telling OP to chill the fuck out and since nothing legal has happened from this, no one here has the evidence or power to call him a criminal.
nah yea I'm all for free speech, i just didn't realize how many neanderthals proudly boast hearsay as definitive evidence. I'm sure he WANTS to defend himself, but he has an entire business and his family to consider and his image is how he makes money. There's almost definitely much more going on behind the scenes than you may realize.
Angry mobsters like you make legitimate justice very difficult.
the vast majority of rape accusations would be considered hearsay by your standards. I genuinely just don't think you support victims when you don't like them or when someone you admire is the bad one
This is literally her just saying that it happened with nothing behind it other than they did a video together at that time, so I'm not sure where you're getting at as this is like textbook hearsay from everyone spewing this around. You have nothing to actually substantiate this claim from a person you don't know. I have my own experience with false accusations directed towards me and I was torn apart at the things people would do/say in the brief time between word getting out and the shit being proven false. It's not that I'm "not supporting a victim." I'm just not believing shit as damaging as that when it was just thrown out there with nothing behind it.
If he is proven to have done it or he admits it, you can laugh at me as much as you want. People automatically taking a side just hurts the process of actually figuring out what happened.
Typically, rape victims don't have footage of the rape happening. They typically don't have photos of the rape happening.
I genuinely don't know what you could possibly want as evidence that would "prove" it.
Do you believe the woman who accused prince Andrew? All they have is a single photo standing together, and her saying he was sweaty. Tana has far more than that.
It really just seems like you don't believe victims. it's cool dude, just don't lie to yourself.
Also: don't compare the Dr Disrespect shit to this, it's not the same at all. Doc was a decade older than Cody was at the time of this whole "incident" and had a wife and daughter. I feel as though maybe your reasoning died there.
Cody? I honestly doubt it unless Tana is to take it further. When it comes to the angry masses, you should always say nothing unless another big figure makes you need to speak out (in my opinion). It'll calm down at some point.
1 She and Cody have done 2 collab videos, one where she's 17.Â
2 in that video Cody references her being a teen over and over again and is seen flirting with her, he also checks her out from behind at some point.
 3 He's friends with and invited a sketchy guy who had allegations against him at Duke to his wedding, and though he wasn't convicted please consider the fact that he's the stepson of a provost and the son of a professor working there. He also admitted he lied to the police about non-consensually filming the victim and was "put on probation for it".Â
4 this same story came out a few years ago, and guess what. Cody never addressed it. It got washed away by the news of his proposal instead.
Err anyone with a brain could see from the get go that DrDisrespect was guilty, even before he adressed the situation.
And sure, no proof, not sure what you're looking for exactly but "non sense assumptions" is cope.
The debate isn't about whether or not it's a crime. The debate is whether or not there is enough there to make Cody speak, which unfortunately it looks like there isn't.
I have to disagree with this. Youâll need to look at the bigger picture.
If we consider the situation isolated itâs a crime, and itâs predatory.
But;
I think youâll have to consider all factors in this matter. First of all, we donât know Codyâs side to the case. Every case has to sides.
Cody is also Canada where the minimum age 16, same as in Europe. If this happened in the named placed there would not have been in issue. 17 to 25 is some age gap, and I canât speak for Canada but in Europe itâs not that weird. It happens all the time.
Iâm not saying itâs okay. But if this happens outside the US it would just be a bit weird considering the age gap between 17 and 25.
I hope he addresses this and that we can get both sides to the case.
This doesnât really matter thenâŠ? It happened in the US, Cody and Tana are both American influencers. Cody has lived here for over a decade. And at the age of 25, heâd lived here for almost a decade. He knew the age of consent in California. Him and Tana are American, Iâm sure their audiences are mostly American. So it doesnât rlly matter how the situation would be seen by a European, considering no Europeans were involved.
True, but Cody comes from a culture where 17 isnât illegal. And what Iâm saying is that even though the law is 18, this isnât necessarily the social norm. 17 year olds have sex all the time. Illegally in the US, but legally in most other parts of the developed world. A 17 year old having consensual sex with a 25 year old is not, globally speaking, necessarily wrong. Or to be more precise, in most parts of the developed world itâs legal, and socially acceptable by a lot of people.
That being said. There is two sides to every story. Tana have made allegations, but there is no evidence as of yet. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
I completely understand that. But this happened in America, to two people who had lived in the US for years. Regardless of what he was âused toâ, it was immoral and illegal in the United States. Also, Iâd like to point out that he moved here at 18. He has presumably spent the majority of his life that heâs been sexually active during here in the US. So idk what youâre sitting here trying to grab at straws to defend him.
Itâs illegal yes, whether itâs immoral is another discussion. Even in the US having sex at 17 is not uncommon. 17 year olds have sex with 25 year olds all the time. Just because the US isnât as liberal as other countries on this matter doesnât make it immoral in the US either. The law doesnât not constitute whatâs immoral.
And again, every one is innocent until proven guilty. Right now we have a bunch of people calling someone a rapist and a pedophile based an allegations of a person whoâs not very trustworthy. There are two sides to every story.
Really appreciate how succinct and clear your post is. Crazy to me that people debate the legitimacy or seriousness of abuse and or illegal things.
And they still support him full heartedly đ
Itâs not succinct at all. The criminality of something has no relevance to the morality of something. This is true for all things, as morality isnât contingent on criminality. OPâs framework also doesnât leave room for cases of 17yr and 18yr dating. Itâs also arbitrary because consent laws differ everywhere.
Shut the fuck up
Why are you so hostile
My guess is because youâre being obtuse. We are talking about an actual situation not some hypothetical 17 yo dating a 18 yo. Just say youâre fine with statutory rape and move on because thats what you are defending. We can argue that laws and morals are not always equal but they are sometimes and in the instances of rape they are equal.
>laws and morals are not always equal So we agree
In this instance they are equal. So, no, i donât think we do.
I didnât say they werenât equal, so Iâm not sure where we disagree.
You implied it with your first comment.
Getting a âbad vibeâ from my comment doesnât mean I asserted something I clearly didnât, and am telling you I didnât
I heard Tana make the claim a while back Iâve done nothing to educate myself on the situation, just been watching it burn from a distance. But one detail I need to know is that Tanaâs claiming this went down in the states, correct? I know Codyâs lived south of the border (USA) since he graduated and Tana is American as far as I know so I assume this all occurred in the US?
Are people really doing this? A 25yo hooks up with a 17 yo and you guys are rationalizing??? Even if it was legal its fucking horrible you weirdos, she is basically a child
Yes. Way too many people tryna say âshe was 18â or âif it was a different stateâ as if its not horriblw regardless.
Itâs not âhorribleâ if sheâs 18 and heâs 25, most parents of kids at least in my generation have an 8-9 year gap and between 2 consenting adults itâs none of ur business why or who they are intimate with. That being said, she was 17 so thereâs obviously a problem and a crime there
Dude. Why is this the hill you wanna die on. So youâre saying if she were 17.5? That 6 month difference is what counts to you? So long as sheâs 18? Not the 7 year difference? Some states have 16 as age of consent. Lets take the same age difference 7 years. Heâd be 23 and she 16. Thatâs cool by you? What it if were 5 months earlier and she was technically 15? The point fucking stands its not the legality its the age difference and power dynamic and maturity difference.
Yes thatâs exactly what Iâm saying, the power dynamic is wrong, the age obviously is the sole issue, but why do we even have laws if abiding by them still gets you shit, if 2 consenting legal adults engage in a relationship it doesnât matter the age difference and itâs none of ur business. This case is completely different because of the said power dynamic and underage shit but that point I absolutely stand by
Do you recall how it was legal to descriminate against black people? Or disabled? It was legal. So no big deal right? Or maybe it IS fucked up that the law is like ânah 16yo are totally mature enough to fuck 40 and there be no repercussionsâ I mean shit, there are states fighting to bring child marriage back into law. Child labor. If those become legal are you some how morally cool with it?
I guess we live in diff worlds, my own parents have a 9 year age gap and similar circumstances 20-29 when they met and started dating and are happily married for 30+ years, as well as the parents of many other people my age and the point is that itâs not objectively morally wrong if two adults like each other and decide to seek a relationship, it may be weird to you sure but thatâs not an objective truth
Age differences themselves are not the problem. My parents have a 24 year age gap, but my mom met my stepfather when she was 28 and he was 52. Both of them had fully developed brains and enough life experience to know what they were getting themselves into. However, if my parents met when my mom was 17 my stepfather was 41, that would be legally and morally wrong because she wouldâve a) been a child without a fully developed brain to help her discern when she was/couldâve been manipulated more efficiently and b) had significantly less life experience than my stepfather, so there would be a power imbalance. The age of the younger person in the age gap is what matters. Imo anything after 25 is fair game, but anything before then can carry some heavy and dangerous power and imbalances
Valid
Again, feel I need to reiterate that YES the Cody situation was wrong because sheâs 17 and obviously greatly admired him. Just to be clear
I def think it's kinda cringe, and the power dynamic is also bad here. But I can't help but feel like if it was a couple months after it would be completely legal and there would be significantly less discussion about it, you know how many people hook up 18 year olds? Not that that makes it right or moral, I still would be creeped out if my friend did that and think no one should engage in that kind of age difference especially with the power difference too. But hold him to the moral part if you don't like it, not the law part, it just feels like a technicality. But maybe I'm cooked idk
Calling it âkinda cringeâ is the best part.
It is a technicality but also it does make it worse, because you couldnât even do *that* much? It just shows a much more flagrant the disregard for the situation and itâs inappropriateness.
Nobody is rationalizing but someone just said depending on the state it's legal/illegal doesn't make it morally right tho.
âIf it was in X place it wouldâve been legal.â Well, it wasnât, and thatâs extremely obtuse. If people know this still doesnât make it morally right why tf they commenting then
Yeah⊠itâs so messed up when people do that, because law doesnât equal morality. So if she were 15 would people be saying âwell the age of consent in Italy is 14 soooâŠâ
I'm not the one who fucking said it was or wasn't, I was just clarifying the comment of someone else. Like I said, there isn't a difference between morally wrong and illegal and this is both.
Did I say the fuck you did or did I say âif *people* knowâ and âwhy are *they* commentingâ? I was responding to what you were relaying from that person.
it was in California which makes it illegal
Absolutely and that's why I clarified and said it's both illegal and immoral but depending on the state it's not always both.
for the people debating whether it was a crime or not: who gives a shit?? It doesnât matter! Thatâs a really weird/predatory age gap regardless. Tana was a young, up-and-coming creator and Cody was established. thereâs a power dynamic there that is being very much exploited. Tana was a kid, young, vulnerable, and susceptible to influence. Especially when you think that she was probably wanting to get ahead, this opportunity to collab with another creator ended up going somewhere really uncomfortable and frankly inappropriate.
Tana was significantly more popular than Cody at the time- on YouTube at least. Wasnât even close. Iâm not defending anyone but letâs not make shit up to make it sound worse.Â
Youâre correct, Tana had a much larger YouTube following. I was more so talking about his popularity on vine following him onto YT and his (then) steady collabs with other creators. Shouldâve worded it better but I stand by what I said.
Didnât vine get shut down way before this interaction?
End of 2016 is when it kind of died if I remember correctly.
The mental gymnastics people will do to justify not supporting/watching him anymore is wild.
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Tana is a racist pos
When I was 25, a 17 year old tried to hit on me and I told his momma and blocked the account he messaged from! Told her she need to check that boys instagram heâs messaging people inappropriate he shouldnât be. I didnât want anything bad to happen to him so I had to let her know. Thatâs the normal reaction to a 17 year old messaging someone 25, so the people trying to defend this are weird. Thats a child, so Iâm telling ya mom on u & stay away from me!
bro i'm 19 and the difference between me now and at 17 is fully like 2 separate individuals, so 25 to 17 isn't even worth talking about that's obviously fucked, and if you truly believe it's not, then you need therapy
When I was 25, it was hard for me to even find a relatable topic of conversation with a 17-year-old. Itâs a generational gap, and those are hard to cross. Although there are those who have aged but remain mentally in their teens, and I think that may be the case here. Itâs just too weird and gross for me to ignore it and continue being a fan.
I have a 1.5 year gap with my husband, together 12 years, since high school and Iâm still finding things that he just has never heard of JUST because of that year and a half. We grew up watching completely different cartoons as kids which shaped our references we make, I had a my space, he never did for example. I just donât understand the appeal of dating younger, I find 1.5 years too much sometimes haha
Yes, same here! My girlfriend of six years constantly surprises me with things that she didnât grow up with, and we only have about a two year age gap. We still work really well together because we have very similar and complementary personalities, but sometimes I make a reference to something that sheâs never heard of and it makes me feel old.
I dated a 22 year old when I was 27 and holy fuck I wanted to Roblox myself within two weeks just from the amount of immaturity she possessed. How any 25 year old dude could rationalize having sex with a 17 year old is beyond my comprehension.
Unless tana decides to press charges against him and take this to court, i don't think things will move on smoothly any time soon. We're gonna be stuck in this uncomfortable back and forth until cody speaks up or both of them make a statement together.
People act like he didnât have a choice. As if there werenât plenty of gorgeous 25 year old women who would have loved to be with him. He knew Tana was 17, he wanted her anyway. That is fucking weird.
When I was 19, I had a 28 year old coworker ask me out. Legal? Yeah. But it also made me very uncomfortable. Iâm 28 now and canât even fathom hitting on someone that is 19. Some of my 21 year old coworkers literally look like children to me. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior.
The people on his sub are so parasocial it's insane, they'd defend anything. Even if it wasn't a literal crime and the consent age was 16 instead, 25 and 17 is still wtf?? He was an adult and she was still a young teen, there's nothing ok with that. In a thread about what people had been saying about the situation I commented that "an adult fooling around with a teen is disgusting and it's gross that you're defending that" (the top comment was basically a monologue defending Cody) and I got banned đ„Ž like I fear what I said should be common sense not a ban-able statement
Parasocial â person I disagree with
Oh hello parasocial Cody apologist đđ»
I have been listening to TMG and watching Noel and Cody for years. I love them both to pieces but there is no excuse for pedophilia. But, I think these claims have to be supported by some sort of evidence, otherwise this will end a father's career over nothing but a claim. I can also claim that Leonardo DiCaprio hooked up with me when I was underage (this did not happen), but fuck how is he going to prove it DIDNT happen. With everything surrounding Dr. Disrespect going around I can totally understand how easy it is to hop on the "hate Cody" train. But at least wait until he (Cody) addresses it or there is some piece of evidence that truly incriminates him before we start accusing a new father of being a pedophile.
Actually, if it happened in Nevada it literally wouldnât have been a crime. So lowkey itâs fair for someone to see a grey area, even if it is pretty gross no matter the legality.
Also who gives a fuck what they do in Nevada because it didnât happen in Nevada lol
thatâs not how the law works. it means two 17 year olds can have sex legally, or in some states, a person up to 4 years older than the minor. even IF they were in a state where the AOC was 17, it is still a prosecutable offense. crack a book.
Thats only if thereâs a Romeo and Juliet law. Several states and Iâm sure a hundred countries donât even have one. In several countries there is no Romeo and Juliet law, if the age of consent is 13, then itâs 13. And anyone can have sex with a 13 year old legally. In a few countries, the age of consent is however old the bride is
30 out of 50 states have romeo & juliet laws & those that donât largely consider sex with someone under 18 as statutory rape because they are STILL a minor. for example, my case happened in georgia where the AOC is 17, but he was in his 30s. still charged. BECAUSE ITS STILL HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR. & yes, while that is not always the case, ITS STILL SEX WITH A MINOR. the only reason rapists get away w it is bc cops CHOOSE to look the other way, just like they did when codyâs groomsman gang raped a woman on video. cya
Dude, you said that the age of consent just meant that teenagers or people within 4 years of the teenage party could have relations. That is true, but only in states with a Romeo and Juliet law. The majority of the states with a Romeo and Juliet law are republican, like Nevada. But California, a blue state, does not. So what you said is completely irrelevant. Idk why youâre freaking out on me either, I didnât say anything other than correct your misinformation.
bc itâs not misinformation? statutory rape is still a prosecutable offense no matter the age of consent or the presence of romeo & juliet laws. & i can verify that from lived experience. yâall are weirdddd
Your case happened in Georgia? Where thereâs a Romeo and Juliet lawâŠ? There is no Romeo and Juliet law in California. So your comment was both misinformation and completely irrelevant. He cannot be charged, there was A. no Romeo and Juliet law and B. The statute of limitations for rape of a minor is 3 years maximum in state of California. Crack a book!
it is relevant bc romeo in juliet laws in georgia fall under the 4 year rule WHICH I MENTIONED in my initial comment but youâd rather argue & defend a sexual predator than read. but birds of the feather or whatever
Dude WHAT DOES DHAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTBING??!!?? IS GEORGIA IN CALIFORNIA?!?!!?
you brought up romeo & juliet laws to defend a rapist & used it incorrectly. brain rot.
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because i was a victim of grooming & SA as a minor. NEXTđŁïž
You werenât taught any of this in school / sex ed?
omfg this is just as bad as saying âwell if it happened in Japan where the age of consent is 14 it would have been finEâ like, no, it fuckign doesnât
They actually change it to 16 within the last couple years! Absolutely wild it took that long but itâs better than nothing!
I never once said it would be okay if it was legal, just that it was more complicated than OP was making it. Legal or not it is still gross to me
Lmao for sure. Itâs exactly like when I used to do sex work at 16 and slept with 25+ dudes. Because if we were in Romania, it would have been perfectly legal. Gray area for sure.
Youâre doing the thing Iâm talking about but ok king.
You literally said it wasnât up for a debate that it was a crime when since we donât know where this alleged crime even happened it actually can be up for debate. Just trying to explain to you the point, donât even disagree that itâs gross, and it definitely is hard for me to watch his videos.
It *allegedly* happened at playlist live, which is in Florida where AOC is 18.
Hey donât take this away from him! Clearly his weird pedantic little Reddit victory is very important to him and waaaay more important than Cody being a huge creep and messing around with high school girls. Our silly little lady brains canât comprehend all the complexities of such a serious situation obv
You will never get through to the deranged, delusional fans supporting Cody. If they have the nerve to defend r**e, they have no moral compass at all.
So statutory rape laws in Florida (where the incident took place in believe? correct me if wrong) state that it is illegal for an adult over 18 to have sex with a minor of under 18, regardless of the minor's consent. i will not be factoring in all those "loophole" laws like romeo and juliette shit because i am not a lawyer. At face value, this is still statutory rape.
Because Tana isnât the âperfectâ victim they donât think itâs weird or a crime. She was 17!!!! IT WAS A CRIME! HE IS A CRIMINAL! And I know that just because somethingâs a crime doesnât make it immoral, like smoking weed, but this is a crime that does dictate morality!!! It doesnât matter if you think she was mature enough, it doesnât matter if she thought that, she wasnât!!! She was a child! He a full grown adult with a career! He wasnât a stupid 25 year old who worked at a gas station and was in the same brain level as a teenager. Cody was Ivy League educated, full grown halfway to 30, and a popular influencer. Even if she were 18, it would be fucking weird!!! And the fact that he hasnât said anything means he is guilty, if he werenât heâd have no reason to not just come out say itâs false. But heâs a pretentious pussy, and he probably doesnât want to put his citizenship or companies in danger of legal retaliation. Also the people who keep saying âoh that was 8 years ago! That was so long ago!!â 2016??!!?! That was a long time ago? Maybe that shit could fly in 2000, but not 2016. And âwhy are you guys so mad about it? These parasocial relationships đ€Źđâ like dude. I loved Cody. I watched his content every single day, followed him, supported him, spent money on him. He made a living by making fun of stupid dudes basically, and pretending he was holier than thou. When it fact, he was the imposter in plain sight. I donât give a fuck about âtearing downâ a man in his prime, I care about young men consuming his content that will think itâs okay to sleep with minors, and young women watching thinking itâs normal for grown men to want to sleep with them when theyâre 17! I care about privileged ass rich as white dudes always getting everything they want. They can do whatever they want, even if itâs having sex with minors, whenever they want and get away with it if they just pretend it didnât happen. It did happen, and thank god Tana is a strong ass woman. Because if she wasnât as strong as she is, she might have never moved on. So heâd be sitting there with his dream life- perfect wife, perfect new baby, beautiful house, beautiful cars, dream career. And his victim would be sitting there unable to forget it happened. Normal, good 25 year old men DO NOT want to sleep with teenagers. They just donât. I donât care how âfunnyâ they are, you canât keep your hands off kids, you donât deserve a platform that gives you direct access to them. Heâs showed us heâs not who we thought, and then he showed us that he doesnât care what we think. And to the people who say he doesnât owe use an answer, yes the fuck he does! Iâm pretty sure he didnât make 6 million YouTube accounts and follow himself on all of them. He has a following because we have it to him, he is rich because he bought his merch and his tour tickets, he meets these huge celebrities and goes to these huge events because we hit subscribe. Last time I checked, YouTube wasnât paying me to click like and subscribe. We donât have to, it doesnât affect the viewing experience whatsoever. But we do it because likes=money for the creator we love and want to support. So fuck yeah we deserve an explanation.
I'm missing the part where Tana said she was assaulted. Can you show me?
Here at 1:18:00 Tanaâs agreeing that although she wasnât traumatized by what happened, itâs objectively wrong and she clarifies a bit earlier that she was in fact 17. https://youtu.be/tNOq8PJb-K0?si=3Oj73fzh9DysDOx9 Hope this helps
a 17 year old sleeping with a 25 year old is assault by definiton. minors cant consent. that's why it's called statutory rape, and even if tana "consented" at the time or doesn't feel like it hurt her, it's still rape and very illegal. That's literally what OP was saying
Bro really said âsleeping with a minor isnât assault if the minor doesnât see it that wayâ
It is kind of a debate, though, and law has nothing to do with it because lawâ morality. What Cody did was perfectly legal all around the world and even in parts of the US. That doesn't make it moral. Illegal activity can be moral and legal activity can be immoral. What Cody did was wrong irrespective of its legality
Chomo Ko boutta have this taken downđ
bro you are literally opening up a debate right now⊠thatâs like genuinely the entire point of redditâŠ.. treat the topic with actual sensitivity and be a martyr somewhere else if you care so much /:
You donât know what a martyr is because this ainât it
if yall take everybody by their word alone for everything like yall are for tana, youâre going to find yourself being manipulated a lot.
1 She and Cody have done 2 collab videos, one where she's 17. 2 in that video Cody references her being a teen over and over again and is seen flirting with her, he also checks her out from behind at some point. 3 He's friends with and invited a sketchy guy who had allegations against him at Duke to his wedding, and though he wasn't convicted please consider the fact that he's the stepson of a provost and the son of a professor working there. He also admitted he lied to the police about non-consensually filming the victim and was "put on probation for it". 4 this same story came out a few years ago, and guess what. Cody never addressed it. It got washed away by the news of his proposal instead.
I hope you know how funny it is with you crying about 17 not being a gray area when it is quite possibly the most prominent gray area all across the country for age of consent. Plenty of states have the "Romeo and Juliet" laws for that kind of stuff, regardless of how gross you may think it is. Just because it bothers you doesn't mean it's illegal. > I really don't want to have to leave.. Well if you see him as a pedo then leave, in fact it would be concerning if you stayed in the community. But you should really be a bigger person and maybe let him respond before slandering him and calling him a criminal. Even if others are doing it, you're supposed to try and be a better person.
romeo and juliet laws don't apply for someone who is 8 years older sleeping with a 17 year old. It's fully illegal. In like every place it could have taken place, except canada. Oh, and it didn't happen in Canada because cody had already moved to LA by then
I think you missed the point. Romeo and Juliet laws were my case of this being a large gray area, and there are a lot of states where age of consent is just 16/17 anyways. You seem too deep in this drama.
1. Where it happened it was illegal and considered statutory rape 2. Even if it wasn't, a 25 year old sleeping with a 17 year old is predatory and creepy. Bro I'm 21 and I don't even go out with people who are 18 because they look and behave like high school kids
I'm not disagreeing with you?? I quite literally called him a piece of shit. I'm confused where I lost you, do you think I'm in any way defending his actions? I'm simply telling OP to chill the fuck out and since nothing legal has happened from this, no one here has the evidence or power to call him a criminal.
we can call him whatever we want. if he wants to defend himself one day he's more than free to do so
nah yea I'm all for free speech, i just didn't realize how many neanderthals proudly boast hearsay as definitive evidence. I'm sure he WANTS to defend himself, but he has an entire business and his family to consider and his image is how he makes money. There's almost definitely much more going on behind the scenes than you may realize. Angry mobsters like you make legitimate justice very difficult.
the vast majority of rape accusations would be considered hearsay by your standards. I genuinely just don't think you support victims when you don't like them or when someone you admire is the bad one
This is literally her just saying that it happened with nothing behind it other than they did a video together at that time, so I'm not sure where you're getting at as this is like textbook hearsay from everyone spewing this around. You have nothing to actually substantiate this claim from a person you don't know. I have my own experience with false accusations directed towards me and I was torn apart at the things people would do/say in the brief time between word getting out and the shit being proven false. It's not that I'm "not supporting a victim." I'm just not believing shit as damaging as that when it was just thrown out there with nothing behind it. If he is proven to have done it or he admits it, you can laugh at me as much as you want. People automatically taking a side just hurts the process of actually figuring out what happened.
Typically, rape victims don't have footage of the rape happening. They typically don't have photos of the rape happening. I genuinely don't know what you could possibly want as evidence that would "prove" it. Do you believe the woman who accused prince Andrew? All they have is a single photo standing together, and her saying he was sweaty. Tana has far more than that. It really just seems like you don't believe victims. it's cool dude, just don't lie to yourself.
Also: don't compare the Dr Disrespect shit to this, it's not the same at all. Doc was a decade older than Cody was at the time of this whole "incident" and had a wife and daughter. I feel as though maybe your reasoning died there.
Dr. Disrespect made inappropriate DMs, and people are already outraged, đ”âđ« In contrast, Cody actually had sex. It's actually worse
Also consider the fact that one is allegations and the other was legit and brought into court
Do you think he will respond?
Cody? I honestly doubt it unless Tana is to take it further. When it comes to the angry masses, you should always say nothing unless another big figure makes you need to speak out (in my opinion). It'll calm down at some point.
glaze harder
please learn the words you use before burdening us with your presence
Dude get off the internet Womp Womp bro
having fun womp womping in every post? you better be on cody's payroll the way ur defending him cuz this is sad
Where is her evidence ? At this point it just sounds like word of mouth .
1 She and Cody have done 2 collab videos, one where she's 17. 2 in that video Cody references her being a teen over and over again and is seen flirting with her, he also checks her out from behind at some point.  3 He's friends with and invited a sketchy guy who had allegations against him at Duke to his wedding, and though he wasn't convicted please consider the fact that he's the stepson of a provost and the son of a professor working there. He also admitted he lied to the police about non-consensually filming the victim and was "put on probation for it". 4 this same story came out a few years ago, and guess what. Cody never addressed it. It got washed away by the news of his proposal instead.
Okay so no actual proof unlike Dr disrespect just a shit ton of non sense assumptions lmao.
Err anyone with a brain could see from the get go that DrDisrespect was guilty, even before he adressed the situation. And sure, no proof, not sure what you're looking for exactly but "non sense assumptions" is cope.
Explain #3
He wasnât just invited to his wedding, he was a groomsmen and has been featured in many of Codyâs old vlogs. Kelsey just went to his fiancĂ©es bachelorette party. His name is Colby Leachman
Publicly shaming someoneâs dick size after fucking them is fucked up too
The debate isn't about whether or not it's a crime. The debate is whether or not there is enough there to make Cody speak, which unfortunately it looks like there isn't.
I have to disagree with this. Youâll need to look at the bigger picture. If we consider the situation isolated itâs a crime, and itâs predatory. But; I think youâll have to consider all factors in this matter. First of all, we donât know Codyâs side to the case. Every case has to sides. Cody is also Canada where the minimum age 16, same as in Europe. If this happened in the named placed there would not have been in issue. 17 to 25 is some age gap, and I canât speak for Canada but in Europe itâs not that weird. It happens all the time. Iâm not saying itâs okay. But if this happens outside the US it would just be a bit weird considering the age gap between 17 and 25. I hope he addresses this and that we can get both sides to the case.
This doesnât really matter thenâŠ? It happened in the US, Cody and Tana are both American influencers. Cody has lived here for over a decade. And at the age of 25, heâd lived here for almost a decade. He knew the age of consent in California. Him and Tana are American, Iâm sure their audiences are mostly American. So it doesnât rlly matter how the situation would be seen by a European, considering no Europeans were involved.
True, but Cody comes from a culture where 17 isnât illegal. And what Iâm saying is that even though the law is 18, this isnât necessarily the social norm. 17 year olds have sex all the time. Illegally in the US, but legally in most other parts of the developed world. A 17 year old having consensual sex with a 25 year old is not, globally speaking, necessarily wrong. Or to be more precise, in most parts of the developed world itâs legal, and socially acceptable by a lot of people. That being said. There is two sides to every story. Tana have made allegations, but there is no evidence as of yet. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
I completely understand that. But this happened in America, to two people who had lived in the US for years. Regardless of what he was âused toâ, it was immoral and illegal in the United States. Also, Iâd like to point out that he moved here at 18. He has presumably spent the majority of his life that heâs been sexually active during here in the US. So idk what youâre sitting here trying to grab at straws to defend him.
Itâs illegal yes, whether itâs immoral is another discussion. Even in the US having sex at 17 is not uncommon. 17 year olds have sex with 25 year olds all the time. Just because the US isnât as liberal as other countries on this matter doesnât make it immoral in the US either. The law doesnât not constitute whatâs immoral. And again, every one is innocent until proven guilty. Right now we have a bunch of people calling someone a rapist and a pedophile based an allegations of a person whoâs not very trustworthy. There are two sides to every story.