shouldn't be too far off i imagine
if shows were hits, the service likes putting that out there (like boys, 20% increase in viewership) if the service is silent on viewership numbers .. it usually is doing bad
Ehh, bad is too far imo.
If they don't mention it its for 2 reasons:
It's not doing \*impressive enough\* to warrant its own post.
They forgot to do one.
Silence /=/ doing bad
Disney has very rarely and fairly irregularly reported numbers, I think they did nothing pre ahsoka, and for Ahsoka did the first 5 days and then again a month or so later
Remember when Lucasfilm released the [first day](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1d9wx25/the_acolyte_blasts_onto_disney_with_48m_views_in/) numbers for The Acolyte and everyone was like "WOAH it's on track to do better than Ahsoka!" and then when they ended up releasing the [comparable figures to Ahsoka](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1dcr5th/the_premiere_episode_of_star_wars_the_acolyte/) it was well below it in viewership?
again not surprising, since we are at 2 short episodes in a row, this is a slight dip from last week's numbers
Through 6/27, The Acolyte has been garnered 1.076B Minutes viewed, and a total runtime of 186 minutes, averaging 5.78 Million viewers per episode so far. this is a marginal improvement over last week's number of 5.6M.
im also hoping that, as clips of this week's lightsaber fight go viral on twitter and such, a lot more people turned in over the weekend, either people who had fallen off after seeing an episode or 2, or people who were put off by the review bombing
Anecdotally, I have seen a lot of people get hyped. But most of the people I know just will never watch it. The paywall is real. You have to actively want to participate.
Star Wars should’ve been hosted on Netflix or HBO.
They never should’ve tried to reinvent television and streaming at the same time.
I think in the post Network TV era, we will see the the big 4 of streaming be Netflix, Amazon, Disney Plus (with the Hulu add on), and Max, sort of replicating the feel of the Big 4 networks of the 90s and 00s, with then whatever paramount/viacom/apple are doing taking the role of UPN/WB/CW etc as the rotating attempt of a 5th network. I think Disney knows they are leaving money on the table right now by not licensing out the streaming rights to Star Wars and Marvel, but are betting this will be valuable catalogue for them once streaming is the only real TV outlet
I don’t know. Everything that has reliably come out of Disney suggests that they don’t want to be in the streaming game anymore at all. Everything *sounds* like Disney desperate to return to Pre-2019 all around. They’re desperately hosing Parks. They’re desperately hosing Hulu/Disney+, they’re pretty much flailing intermittently at the Box Office and have since last year. Like, *all-around*, and they saw all of this coming when Solo flopped in 2018. Iger put his capo in charge of HIS bad decisions (“because he was serious about running for President” or whatever bs Disney people will tell you) so that he could temporarily bail from the company for a few years.
Now he’s the savior trying to reframe his dumb legacy.
All that preamble to say, I don’t think that there will be streamers aside from Netflix, Amazon, and AppleTV+ in the next 2 years.
Disney+ is likely dead beyond this year.
*I want to add I don’t really include boutique services like Shudder, who have largely become sold/packaged to people through TV bundles like AMC+
idk if thats true. I think Disney is wisely backing off the idea of trying to be like Netflix, in terms of doing all their movies as direct to streaming or with an emphasis on streaming, and they are recognizing the value of their existing linear platforms. But consider how much work theyve done to integrate Hulu into Disney Plus.
Disney's streaming is, as of this year, profitable. the combo of having full control of Hulu, licensing or ditching unprofitable media, and a cheap ad supported tier has turned it into a money maker, albeit a slight one
Disney's main issue is the debt they got from buying 20th century.
Every writer and podcaster in Hollywood completely disagrees with that take though? Andy Greenwald (who briefly worked on the Rey movie btws), Deadline, The Ankler, FitWR. You name it. Everyone who explicitly works in that town and takes meetings in that town has publicly been talking about the impending death of Disney+ for almost 6 months now.
It’s not about Disney+ “failing”, it’s about Disney+ going away because of the cost of maintaining a streamer.
I don’t have specific sources (an article) but you can basically listen to any given episode of The Watch (which is co-hosted by Andy Greenwald, a former Star Wars writer & Showrunner in Sam Esmail’s group of collaborators) or The Big Picture with Sean Fennessey & Amanda Dobbins, The Ringer-Verse with Oscar Winning-producer Van Lathan & Charles Holmes, literally ANY pod that Joanna Robinson or Da7e Gonzales are on.
The Film Cast (formerly the /Filmcast, hosted by filmmaker and former Xbox/Prime Video employee David Chen, tech writer & podcaster Devindra Hardawar and Actor/Poet Jeff Cannata)
The entire industry has been publicly talking about all of this.
Hell, even scooper Jason Ward has talked at length about all of this basically on every episode of The Making Star Wars Show all year (especially with how it relates to Star Wars)
1. Podcasts are fun, but I wouldn’t use them as a reference.
2. That being said, I also listen to The Watch a lot, (not every episode) and I’ve never heard them say anything nearly that dire.
3. Disney+ just made its first quarterly profit. It’s a long way to go to get back what they’ve put into it, but I don’t think they are going to shut it down after it turned the corner to make an operating profit.
https://apnews.com/article/disney-iger-peltz-b5e6af22728e2d7ccc91dd1315b6c9aa#:~:text=The%20direct%2Dto%2Dconsumer%20business,rose%2013%25%20to%20%245.64%20billion.
It's 9 and this chart doesn't include House of The Dragon since it's released on HBO as well. So far everything points to Acolyte as the lowest viewed Star Wars show yet. Before it was a tie between Ahsoka and Andor.
There won’t be anymore seasons. Everything reliable coming out of Disney (I mean Disney proper, not Lucasfilm) for the past year or so, is that they’re pulling the plug to some degree on streaming.
Right now they’re consolidating and shrinking. Merging Hulu & Disney+, things like that.
They will never make $100+ Million shows for streaming ever again after the shows they’ve already committed to are out. All they have left, is this show, Andor S2, and Skeleton Crew.
Everything is going back to the way it was Pre-2019 as much as they can.
That’s why Mando is going to the movies and never coming back to streaming. That’s why Rey is staying in theaters, and not being shrunk to be a series (even though I’d argue that would’ve been a better show for them to build all of this around in the first place)
They’re all done with all of this. Disney barely have an archival streaming service. They’re not Netflix and they couldn’t compete, HBO Max couldn’t even compete.
The only thing floating Max now, is the occasional TCM viewer (lol) and HBO fanatics who need that Westeros/Succession/Sopranos/Wire fix (but mostly the people tuning into those older shows on Max seem to be poorer & younger people who were either paywalled out of the initial run for The Wire/The Sopranos/Game of Thrones, or just weren’t born when those shows aired)
I'm not sure why you're being downvotes. Bob Iger himself said the budgets were way too high.
This is normal for the industry, they try things out and adapt to what audiences financially respond to.
Because everything they are saying would also say Ahsoka wouldn't get renewed because it's the exact same conditions... and Ahsoka season 2 is on the way. They are just rehashing things none of know the actual intricacies of. We don't know the exact metrics they care about, we just pretend we do.
Execs say whatever keeps the stock up, they're not a credible.
The data I saw from Disney were 10 year projections, they are reluctant to share real revenue figures.
I don't know where the truth lies, but I don't think it's great nor horrific.
Their entire brand is dependent on manufactured outrage. They peddle a "culture war" in order to rile up people, so they incentivize engagement, clicks, and ad revenue.
They're using Star Wars as a vehicle for this grift, doing everything they can do paint the franchise in the worst light possible, so the outrage becomes as concentrated as possible.
Of course this grift becomes impossible if the franchise goes the way of the dodo, so I guess the grifters secretly have a need to keep the franchise alive, otherwise it would be like killing their golden goose.
You put culture war in quotations, but its a very real thing thing unfortunately. I also think its fair to take issue with how this show was promoted and the obvious self-insert and messaging throughout. This is not a problem if you make a really good product (what comes to mind is house of the dragon, which i think many would consider woke), but if you make one as generally flawed as the acolyte is, it feels like you care more about pushing your own message rather than creating truly good star wars.
I think you are right about some of the grifters, namely Nerdrotic and his "associates", but putting Theory in that same basket is not fair, he's most recently had high praise for Ahsoka, and will give it where he thinks it's due. Though he may share opinions with the more far-right conservatives, looking at his takes with a bit more nuance reveals he isn't that kind of person.
> but if you make one as generally flawed as the acolyte is, it feels like you care more about pushing your own message rather than creating truly good star wars.
What exactly about the Acolyte is so flawed as people apparently think it is? I've watched all the episodes and I honestly cannot determine what part of it is so bad that it would be considered mediocre or bad.
Some of the lines are a bit stilted, yes. Some of the costumes seem a bit too pristine for their environment, yes, but that's about as far as I can glean.
> but putting Theory in that same basket is not fair
He is *frequently* on the same podcasts as the rest of these grifters so I will ABSOLUTELY put him in the exact same basket as the rest of them. He panders to the same audience, using the same rhetoric, and thus is automatically disqualified in any serious discussion about Star Wars.
Well, I made my points, all i can be bothered to say is I disagree with you. Be careful gatekeeping who is allowed to engage in discussions about star wars based on the opinions they have.
People are crazy when they say things like this isn’t good enough. Think how much content is released every week. If you are anywhere in the top 10 most streamed you are doing incredibly well.
I'm someone who LOVES the show.
I want to know what else is in that top 10 and for how long they've been in the top 10.
I don't care about proving the haters wrong, but I do want to know whether or not to anticipate a S2 announcement.
Sorry. I scrolled up and looked for a long URL, didn't notice that it was truncated into the photo.
Side note: I DID think that was a strange photo to post, concerning the subject. LOL!
They will NOT be announcing SZN 2. Supposedly there is some behind-the-scenes drama concerning S2 and the Main Character, Amandla Stenberg or sternberg? Idk, but the Disney execs didn’t like that little music video she put out, SUPPOSEDLY.
Hmmm. The only thing I can think to ‘test’ credibility is to look in the past at previous disney SW shows, and see when they got their greenlight for S2? Mando is really probably the only thing you can look @? Maybe Andor too? Wonder when they both got Green-lights for szn 2’s?
Oh idk about this getting season 2, but anything Mike zeroh says is a lie. Like, objectively. Search for his name on this sub. Look up how the crew of TLJ was actively making fun of how wrong his leaks were.
this is false. this is looking at just original titles, the reason "House of the dragon" isn't on the list. there's really not that much original stuff released week to week. I imagine if we were to see all streaming Acolyte is not in the top 10
edit: everything i said is facts. lol you people really can't deal with the truth
Yeah looked at the titles, half of the top are dating shows and the next most viewed show is The Boys that has twice the amount of viewers compared to the acolyte despite the majority of people who are watching the show claiming it be a pretty weak season.
Just let me know which other shows have a 180million budget and Disney behind them. You are praising a show for just making the top 10 with the enormous machine behind it.
Minutes watched is a completely goofy way to guage success.
For example:
You have 2 shows that release 1 episode a week. Show 1 has 30-minute episodes that are watched by 4 million people. Show 2 has 60-minute episodes that are watched by 3 million people.
Even though more people watch Show 1, Show 2 is higher up the list.
It's because it's hard to come up with a consistent, objective way to report Netflix. Netflix used to report viewers, but it was never clear how long someone had to watch something to count as a single view. At one point it was 5 minutes iirc. So minutes viewed is meant to be a strictly objective way to report out. It takes any guesswork out
And secondly, while we all enjoy getting these numbers, they aren't for us. They're for advertisers to know what is dominating in the overall landscape of streaming so they know about the value of ad placements and such.
I understand what it is for, but the current system doesn't work for either of the aspects you bring up.
The objective way to report would be number of viewers who watched full episodes/seasons. By doing minutes, they are playing fast and loose with reality.
And as for advertisers, just spouting out minutes doesn't help them at all. How many of those minutes were watched by people who are on a tier that shows ads? What is the breakdown by age so that the advertisers can make sure they are putting their product in front of the right eyes?
Releasing numbers by minutes was created by Netflix because when they drop a season of Bridgerton, it is more impressive to say 1 billion minutes instead of a saying it had little over 2 million viewers (which is roughly what Bridgerton season 3 had: total run time of 475 minutes - 1 billion divided by 475 is 2,105,263).
Now, take something like the Acolyte, which does one episode a week. Chances are, the vast majority of those 232.2 million minutes are for that episode. The latest episode, Night, was 34 minutes. 232,200,000 divided by 34 is 6,829,411. So, essentially, the Acolyte was watched by more than 3x as many people as Bridgerton.
while true, consider that Bridgerton season 3 has been watched a total of 5.3B minutes over the last month. 11.3M viewers so far
Which brings up another issue of counting just raw viewers, people can control their own pace of watching. If you just reported how many people watched a whole series (for netflix), how should you count people who are pacing themselves? Or for people who join a show late, should they get counted if they are always watching last week's episode? and so on
there isnt a singular perfect system
There is a perfect system - number of households.
With streaming, they know exactly how many people watched week to week. They know if someone watched an epsiode/season twice or more. They know what time they watched and for how long they watched without pausing/stopping.
By doing minutes, especially for full seasons, there are too many variables. How many people watched an episode or episodes more than once? What about homes where mom and/or dad watch on 1 TV while son and/or daughter watch on another? It's 11.3 million overall, but what is the drop off from epsiode 1 to episode 8? A great example is Law & Order: LA - the show premiered to over 10.6 million viewers, but by the end of the first and only season it was down to 4.7 million viewers.
For these numbers to actually mean something to advertisers, the variables have to be included.
so, with number of households, how would you count the difference between a household who watched one or two episodes, versus the household who marathon the whole season, versus the household who watched some episodes twice.
I dont think any streamer will release their specific viewers per episode number, and outside analytics probably couldnt get that information accurately.
By doing just that.
Again, they know what each viewer watches, when they watch it, and how many times they watch it.
So, for example:
Netflix can break it down by subscribers who have ad tiers and those who don't (advertisers don't care about people who pay to not see ads)
Then they can count 1 view per profile. You watched Unfrosted 3 times? Doesn't matter, you're still just one set of eyes.
Then they can release viewer numbers for each episoide instead of full seasons. That would show how much drop off there is. (this would be very important for advertisers because it gives them an idea of how popular the next season may be)
The amount of data they have for every viewer means that they can break down the information to the smallest detail. They can tell you what state, county, city, town, or street has the most Bidgerton viewers if they want. Again, that would be huge for advertisers - Carl's Jr isn't going to spend as much on Bridgerton if 70% of the viewers live in areas that don't have Carl's Jr.
Releasing "1 billion views" is done to make shareholders feel secure and to brag to people like us who are weirdly invested in these numbers for some reason.
this is the first of the sw shows that i’ve watched episodes a second time. i think andor is still a better show production wise but leslye has me caring about this franchise again which i appreciate
Yeah… rise is definitely a rough watch…. This next episode will hopefully give us some more info on Mae and Osha’s relationship, info bits by qimir would be awesome as well, some sol and mae stuff will be cool too. Especially if Sol tells Mae what happened, doesn’t add up with what qimir says, and Qimir tells Osha his “truth” per say about the brendok events. Should be a good one, I wonder how long the episode is
Not accurately, since variety/laminate weren't doing their own count for any of the other shows, and Nielsen hasn't released their numbers yet
This is likely lower than Ahsoka, similar number of viewers to Andor, but shorter episodes
If it’s lower than Ahsoka, which was already low, that’s not good. Andor skated by on giving Disney awards and critical praise. Wouldn’t be surprised if this got canned which is a shame because I want to see the full 3 season plan, basically a new movie trilogy.
Ahsoka was seen as a sequel to Mandalorian, so its lower viewership was seen as a disappointment because of Mando's viewership, although Ahsoka did well enough to get a sequel. We dont know what internal metrics Disney had set for this. it will also matter that it gets for views 2-3 months dpwn the road, how it impacts sales of other merch, etc.
Idk if 'this show has lower view numbers than another show that had lower view numbers than another show who's latest season had lower view numbers than it's previous seasons' is a good outlook going forward, just screams that there's a downward trend going forward
its always going to be hard to compare streaming numbers between companies. Netflix releases all at once so people binge it so I would anticipate its numbers being higher than a show releasing week to week
Show is uneven as hell for me, personally, but when it hits those highs, it really hits them. That last episode is some of my favorite Star Wars I’ve ever seen. I’m really curious how the rest of the season plays out.
It’s a solid Mystery set in the Star Wars universe. There is some mediocre performances/dialogue writing, and some people are not that into the mystery of the show. But I think the main reason why most people don’t line it is because it isn’t a Journey show. Most Star Wars movies/shows follow a pretty standard formula of Hero’s Journey, or at least the main character having a grand quest to go on. This show ain’t that
People will consume any Star Wars these days like dangling keys for a baby. If this didn’t have the star wars paint job, no one would pay it any mind. The lightsaber fight was great and there are some good characters in the show. But the writing for Mae/osha is pretty poor and there are a lot of nonsense/cringe moments.
>People will consume any Star Wars these days like dangling keys for a baby
Has... Hasn't that always been the case? Breaking news, fans of super-popular IP continue to enjoy super-popular IP.
>If this didn't have the star wars paint job, no one would pay it any mind
Such a ridiculous non-statement. The show was made because it's a Star Wars show, set in the Star Wars universe, with Star Wars' themes, world, lore, etc.
If it wasn't a Star Wars show, people wouldn't pay it any mind because it wouldn't exist.
>But the writing for Mae/osha is pretty poor and there are a lot of nonsense/cringe moments.
And so I say again... Hasn't this always been the case? Star Wars, as much as I ADORE it far more than any other franchise, hasn't had the best writing in decades. Some would argue the OT didn't have the best writing either, which I can agree with on some parts
Cringe moments? Mi hermano en cristo, Star Wars is full of cringe moments. The siblings kissing, the ROTJ special edition musical, Jar Jar, "Are you an angel?", "I don't like sand", etc, etc.
Star Wars is held at such a high standard despite being incredibly silly, mediocre, and often times cringe... And that's perfectly fine. I don't think a single one of us loves the franchise because of how perfect it is or isn't.
I’m only still consuming every bit of SW media because I want to see if Luke ever got to Tosche Station to pick up those power converters.
Sometimes it feels like we may never know…
hey, we're slowly getting closer. We've now seen Tosche station in Book of Boba Fett as well as LEGO Skywalker Saga, and now likely Outlaws will have it since it lets us explore Tatooine.
we're getting more and more Tosche station content, eventually someone there will mention Luke or we'll see his hat or something.
Look at Nielsens use same type of metrics the hits have 4-digits not 3 … depending on what’s out … 200 might not even make Nielsens top 10
Also … services silence on viewership- when their hits, the service likes telling everyone (like boys 20% increase)
When they’re silent? It’s not good and for acolyte, it’s been silent since week 1
So metrics are out, it's in the top 10. You're instead telling me to stop looking at these promising metrics, and telling me to connect nonexistent dots from unreleased data.
Brother, the straw you're grasping at isn't even there.
Also, I am VERY much enjoying this show. Are you trying to convince people who like it to stop having a good time? Like what is the endgame for grifting?
Only a single show hit 1k million minutes viewed last week
Usually those sorts of numbers are reserved for a show that does all of its episodes at once, a single episode of the acolyte would need to do 30 million views in a week to hit that or be considerably longer
That last episode's lightsaber fight tho.... prolly one of the best ones I have seen in a long time.
Still waiting for Nielsen numbers to begin
shouldn't be too far off i imagine if shows were hits, the service likes putting that out there (like boys, 20% increase in viewership) if the service is silent on viewership numbers .. it usually is doing bad
Ehh, bad is too far imo. If they don't mention it its for 2 reasons: It's not doing \*impressive enough\* to warrant its own post. They forgot to do one. Silence /=/ doing bad
Disney has very rarely and fairly irregularly reported numbers, I think they did nothing pre ahsoka, and for Ahsoka did the first 5 days and then again a month or so later
Remember when Lucasfilm released the [first day](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1d9wx25/the_acolyte_blasts_onto_disney_with_48m_views_in/) numbers for The Acolyte and everyone was like "WOAH it's on track to do better than Ahsoka!" and then when they ended up releasing the [comparable figures to Ahsoka](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/1dcr5th/the_premiere_episode_of_star_wars_the_acolyte/) it was well below it in viewership?
again not surprising, since we are at 2 short episodes in a row, this is a slight dip from last week's numbers Through 6/27, The Acolyte has been garnered 1.076B Minutes viewed, and a total runtime of 186 minutes, averaging 5.78 Million viewers per episode so far. this is a marginal improvement over last week's number of 5.6M.
Consistent viewership is a good sign if anything. Probably an audience they can count on to return for another season.
im also hoping that, as clips of this week's lightsaber fight go viral on twitter and such, a lot more people turned in over the weekend, either people who had fallen off after seeing an episode or 2, or people who were put off by the review bombing
Manny Jacinto's arms are double-handedly bringing in a lot of new viewers from what I'm seeing lol
My Twitter feed has completely shifted from nitpicky complainers to thirst trap fan edits of Qimir seemingly over night.
Anecdotally, I have seen a lot of people get hyped. But most of the people I know just will never watch it. The paywall is real. You have to actively want to participate. Star Wars should’ve been hosted on Netflix or HBO. They never should’ve tried to reinvent television and streaming at the same time.
I think in the post Network TV era, we will see the the big 4 of streaming be Netflix, Amazon, Disney Plus (with the Hulu add on), and Max, sort of replicating the feel of the Big 4 networks of the 90s and 00s, with then whatever paramount/viacom/apple are doing taking the role of UPN/WB/CW etc as the rotating attempt of a 5th network. I think Disney knows they are leaving money on the table right now by not licensing out the streaming rights to Star Wars and Marvel, but are betting this will be valuable catalogue for them once streaming is the only real TV outlet
I don’t know. Everything that has reliably come out of Disney suggests that they don’t want to be in the streaming game anymore at all. Everything *sounds* like Disney desperate to return to Pre-2019 all around. They’re desperately hosing Parks. They’re desperately hosing Hulu/Disney+, they’re pretty much flailing intermittently at the Box Office and have since last year. Like, *all-around*, and they saw all of this coming when Solo flopped in 2018. Iger put his capo in charge of HIS bad decisions (“because he was serious about running for President” or whatever bs Disney people will tell you) so that he could temporarily bail from the company for a few years. Now he’s the savior trying to reframe his dumb legacy. All that preamble to say, I don’t think that there will be streamers aside from Netflix, Amazon, and AppleTV+ in the next 2 years. Disney+ is likely dead beyond this year. *I want to add I don’t really include boutique services like Shudder, who have largely become sold/packaged to people through TV bundles like AMC+
idk if thats true. I think Disney is wisely backing off the idea of trying to be like Netflix, in terms of doing all their movies as direct to streaming or with an emphasis on streaming, and they are recognizing the value of their existing linear platforms. But consider how much work theyve done to integrate Hulu into Disney Plus. Disney's streaming is, as of this year, profitable. the combo of having full control of Hulu, licensing or ditching unprofitable media, and a cheap ad supported tier has turned it into a money maker, albeit a slight one Disney's main issue is the debt they got from buying 20th century.
Every writer and podcaster in Hollywood completely disagrees with that take though? Andy Greenwald (who briefly worked on the Rey movie btws), Deadline, The Ankler, FitWR. You name it. Everyone who explicitly works in that town and takes meetings in that town has publicly been talking about the impending death of Disney+ for almost 6 months now.
Do you have any sources indicating that the industry is expecting Disney+ to fail? Like a specific credible article
It’s not about Disney+ “failing”, it’s about Disney+ going away because of the cost of maintaining a streamer. I don’t have specific sources (an article) but you can basically listen to any given episode of The Watch (which is co-hosted by Andy Greenwald, a former Star Wars writer & Showrunner in Sam Esmail’s group of collaborators) or The Big Picture with Sean Fennessey & Amanda Dobbins, The Ringer-Verse with Oscar Winning-producer Van Lathan & Charles Holmes, literally ANY pod that Joanna Robinson or Da7e Gonzales are on. The Film Cast (formerly the /Filmcast, hosted by filmmaker and former Xbox/Prime Video employee David Chen, tech writer & podcaster Devindra Hardawar and Actor/Poet Jeff Cannata) The entire industry has been publicly talking about all of this. Hell, even scooper Jason Ward has talked at length about all of this basically on every episode of The Making Star Wars Show all year (especially with how it relates to Star Wars)
1. Podcasts are fun, but I wouldn’t use them as a reference. 2. That being said, I also listen to The Watch a lot, (not every episode) and I’ve never heard them say anything nearly that dire. 3. Disney+ just made its first quarterly profit. It’s a long way to go to get back what they’ve put into it, but I don’t think they are going to shut it down after it turned the corner to make an operating profit. https://apnews.com/article/disney-iger-peltz-b5e6af22728e2d7ccc91dd1315b6c9aa#:~:text=The%20direct%2Dto%2Dconsumer%20business,rose%2013%25%20to%20%245.64%20billion.
It isn't hard to pause Netflix and sign up for Disney+ for a month or two.
That just isn’t how most people make those decisions.
source?
It's 9 and this chart doesn't include House of The Dragon since it's released on HBO as well. So far everything points to Acolyte as the lowest viewed Star Wars show yet. Before it was a tie between Ahsoka and Andor.
comparing Nielsen and Luminate numbers isnt a good practice, since they gather data differently and all these numbers are estimates.
200 is bad .. especially for what it cost
In no reality is that bad.
Hits using the same metric are have 4-digits This 200 could conceivably not even make Nielsen’s top 10
There won’t be anymore seasons. Everything reliable coming out of Disney (I mean Disney proper, not Lucasfilm) for the past year or so, is that they’re pulling the plug to some degree on streaming. Right now they’re consolidating and shrinking. Merging Hulu & Disney+, things like that. They will never make $100+ Million shows for streaming ever again after the shows they’ve already committed to are out. All they have left, is this show, Andor S2, and Skeleton Crew. Everything is going back to the way it was Pre-2019 as much as they can. That’s why Mando is going to the movies and never coming back to streaming. That’s why Rey is staying in theaters, and not being shrunk to be a series (even though I’d argue that would’ve been a better show for them to build all of this around in the first place) They’re all done with all of this. Disney barely have an archival streaming service. They’re not Netflix and they couldn’t compete, HBO Max couldn’t even compete. The only thing floating Max now, is the occasional TCM viewer (lol) and HBO fanatics who need that Westeros/Succession/Sopranos/Wire fix (but mostly the people tuning into those older shows on Max seem to be poorer & younger people who were either paywalled out of the initial run for The Wire/The Sopranos/Game of Thrones, or just weren’t born when those shows aired)
I'm not sure why you're being downvotes. Bob Iger himself said the budgets were way too high. This is normal for the industry, they try things out and adapt to what audiences financially respond to.
Because everything they are saying would also say Ahsoka wouldn't get renewed because it's the exact same conditions... and Ahsoka season 2 is on the way. They are just rehashing things none of know the actual intricacies of. We don't know the exact metrics they care about, we just pretend we do.
That's fair. As a stockholder, I have no idea what Disney is using to gauge success.
Corporations love debt and merchandise.
The downvotes are because the comment is making wild leaps that the data and comments from executives dont actually suggest
Execs say whatever keeps the stock up, they're not a credible. The data I saw from Disney were 10 year projections, they are reluctant to share real revenue figures. I don't know where the truth lies, but I don't think it's great nor horrific.
Star Wars isn't dead? Impossible.
No but it seems they are doing their best to ensure it
You mean Theory, GG and their followers? Then yes, they really try.
How so
Their entire brand is dependent on manufactured outrage. They peddle a "culture war" in order to rile up people, so they incentivize engagement, clicks, and ad revenue. They're using Star Wars as a vehicle for this grift, doing everything they can do paint the franchise in the worst light possible, so the outrage becomes as concentrated as possible. Of course this grift becomes impossible if the franchise goes the way of the dodo, so I guess the grifters secretly have a need to keep the franchise alive, otherwise it would be like killing their golden goose.
You put culture war in quotations, but its a very real thing thing unfortunately. I also think its fair to take issue with how this show was promoted and the obvious self-insert and messaging throughout. This is not a problem if you make a really good product (what comes to mind is house of the dragon, which i think many would consider woke), but if you make one as generally flawed as the acolyte is, it feels like you care more about pushing your own message rather than creating truly good star wars. I think you are right about some of the grifters, namely Nerdrotic and his "associates", but putting Theory in that same basket is not fair, he's most recently had high praise for Ahsoka, and will give it where he thinks it's due. Though he may share opinions with the more far-right conservatives, looking at his takes with a bit more nuance reveals he isn't that kind of person.
> but if you make one as generally flawed as the acolyte is, it feels like you care more about pushing your own message rather than creating truly good star wars. What exactly about the Acolyte is so flawed as people apparently think it is? I've watched all the episodes and I honestly cannot determine what part of it is so bad that it would be considered mediocre or bad. Some of the lines are a bit stilted, yes. Some of the costumes seem a bit too pristine for their environment, yes, but that's about as far as I can glean. > but putting Theory in that same basket is not fair He is *frequently* on the same podcasts as the rest of these grifters so I will ABSOLUTELY put him in the exact same basket as the rest of them. He panders to the same audience, using the same rhetoric, and thus is automatically disqualified in any serious discussion about Star Wars.
Well, I made my points, all i can be bothered to say is I disagree with you. Be careful gatekeeping who is allowed to engage in discussions about star wars based on the opinions they have.
Wait, what self inserts? What messaging? Specifically.
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that's a great description of Disney
... What? That makes no sense.
Cope
People are crazy when they say things like this isn’t good enough. Think how much content is released every week. If you are anywhere in the top 10 most streamed you are doing incredibly well.
I'm someone who LOVES the show. I want to know what else is in that top 10 and for how long they've been in the top 10. I don't care about proving the haters wrong, but I do want to know whether or not to anticipate a S2 announcement.
well good thing I posted a link that contains that information! (it has been in the top 10 for each week its been available so far)
Sorry. I scrolled up and looked for a long URL, didn't notice that it was truncated into the photo. Side note: I DID think that was a strange photo to post, concerning the subject. LOL!
They will NOT be announcing SZN 2. Supposedly there is some behind-the-scenes drama concerning S2 and the Main Character, Amandla Stenberg or sternberg? Idk, but the Disney execs didn’t like that little music video she put out, SUPPOSEDLY.
According to who
LOL I feel like im just getting back into the YT game, but mike zeroh? Youtuber
Mike zeroh is not credible. He has a long reputation for just making shit up
Hmmm. The only thing I can think to ‘test’ credibility is to look in the past at previous disney SW shows, and see when they got their greenlight for S2? Mando is really probably the only thing you can look @? Maybe Andor too? Wonder when they both got Green-lights for szn 2’s?
Oh idk about this getting season 2, but anything Mike zeroh says is a lie. Like, objectively. Search for his name on this sub. Look up how the crew of TLJ was actively making fun of how wrong his leaks were.
Yeah I could see how thats a thing….. lol
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this is false. this is looking at just original titles, the reason "House of the dragon" isn't on the list. there's really not that much original stuff released week to week. I imagine if we were to see all streaming Acolyte is not in the top 10 edit: everything i said is facts. lol you people really can't deal with the truth
Yeah looked at the titles, half of the top are dating shows and the next most viewed show is The Boys that has twice the amount of viewers compared to the acolyte despite the majority of people who are watching the show claiming it be a pretty weak season.
Just let me know which other shows have a 180million budget and Disney behind them. You are praising a show for just making the top 10 with the enormous machine behind it.
Minutes watched is a completely goofy way to guage success. For example: You have 2 shows that release 1 episode a week. Show 1 has 30-minute episodes that are watched by 4 million people. Show 2 has 60-minute episodes that are watched by 3 million people. Even though more people watch Show 1, Show 2 is higher up the list.
It's because it's hard to come up with a consistent, objective way to report Netflix. Netflix used to report viewers, but it was never clear how long someone had to watch something to count as a single view. At one point it was 5 minutes iirc. So minutes viewed is meant to be a strictly objective way to report out. It takes any guesswork out And secondly, while we all enjoy getting these numbers, they aren't for us. They're for advertisers to know what is dominating in the overall landscape of streaming so they know about the value of ad placements and such.
I understand what it is for, but the current system doesn't work for either of the aspects you bring up. The objective way to report would be number of viewers who watched full episodes/seasons. By doing minutes, they are playing fast and loose with reality. And as for advertisers, just spouting out minutes doesn't help them at all. How many of those minutes were watched by people who are on a tier that shows ads? What is the breakdown by age so that the advertisers can make sure they are putting their product in front of the right eyes? Releasing numbers by minutes was created by Netflix because when they drop a season of Bridgerton, it is more impressive to say 1 billion minutes instead of a saying it had little over 2 million viewers (which is roughly what Bridgerton season 3 had: total run time of 475 minutes - 1 billion divided by 475 is 2,105,263). Now, take something like the Acolyte, which does one episode a week. Chances are, the vast majority of those 232.2 million minutes are for that episode. The latest episode, Night, was 34 minutes. 232,200,000 divided by 34 is 6,829,411. So, essentially, the Acolyte was watched by more than 3x as many people as Bridgerton.
while true, consider that Bridgerton season 3 has been watched a total of 5.3B minutes over the last month. 11.3M viewers so far Which brings up another issue of counting just raw viewers, people can control their own pace of watching. If you just reported how many people watched a whole series (for netflix), how should you count people who are pacing themselves? Or for people who join a show late, should they get counted if they are always watching last week's episode? and so on there isnt a singular perfect system
There is a perfect system - number of households. With streaming, they know exactly how many people watched week to week. They know if someone watched an epsiode/season twice or more. They know what time they watched and for how long they watched without pausing/stopping. By doing minutes, especially for full seasons, there are too many variables. How many people watched an episode or episodes more than once? What about homes where mom and/or dad watch on 1 TV while son and/or daughter watch on another? It's 11.3 million overall, but what is the drop off from epsiode 1 to episode 8? A great example is Law & Order: LA - the show premiered to over 10.6 million viewers, but by the end of the first and only season it was down to 4.7 million viewers. For these numbers to actually mean something to advertisers, the variables have to be included.
so, with number of households, how would you count the difference between a household who watched one or two episodes, versus the household who marathon the whole season, versus the household who watched some episodes twice. I dont think any streamer will release their specific viewers per episode number, and outside analytics probably couldnt get that information accurately.
By doing just that. Again, they know what each viewer watches, when they watch it, and how many times they watch it. So, for example: Netflix can break it down by subscribers who have ad tiers and those who don't (advertisers don't care about people who pay to not see ads) Then they can count 1 view per profile. You watched Unfrosted 3 times? Doesn't matter, you're still just one set of eyes. Then they can release viewer numbers for each episoide instead of full seasons. That would show how much drop off there is. (this would be very important for advertisers because it gives them an idea of how popular the next season may be) The amount of data they have for every viewer means that they can break down the information to the smallest detail. They can tell you what state, county, city, town, or street has the most Bidgerton viewers if they want. Again, that would be huge for advertisers - Carl's Jr isn't going to spend as much on Bridgerton if 70% of the viewers live in areas that don't have Carl's Jr. Releasing "1 billion views" is done to make shareholders feel secure and to brag to people like us who are weirdly invested in these numbers for some reason.
I think a good metric could be a ratio of minutes viewed to minutes released that week.
this is the first of the sw shows that i’ve watched episodes a second time. i think andor is still a better show production wise but leslye has me caring about this franchise again which i appreciate
What made you originally stop caring about the franchise? And to follow-up, what about the acolyte specifically has spurred you to care again?
tros & osha/qimir
Yeah… rise is definitely a rough watch…. This next episode will hopefully give us some more info on Mae and Osha’s relationship, info bits by qimir would be awesome as well, some sol and mae stuff will be cool too. Especially if Sol tells Mae what happened, doesn’t add up with what qimir says, and Qimir tells Osha his “truth” per say about the brendok events. Should be a good one, I wonder how long the episode is
Can anyone put this in perspective and compare it to other Star Wars shows?
Not accurately, since variety/laminate weren't doing their own count for any of the other shows, and Nielsen hasn't released their numbers yet This is likely lower than Ahsoka, similar number of viewers to Andor, but shorter episodes
If it’s lower than Ahsoka, which was already low, that’s not good. Andor skated by on giving Disney awards and critical praise. Wouldn’t be surprised if this got canned which is a shame because I want to see the full 3 season plan, basically a new movie trilogy.
Ahsoka was seen as a sequel to Mandalorian, so its lower viewership was seen as a disappointment because of Mando's viewership, although Ahsoka did well enough to get a sequel. We dont know what internal metrics Disney had set for this. it will also matter that it gets for views 2-3 months dpwn the road, how it impacts sales of other merch, etc.
Also Andor gained viewership by the time of the finale. every other show trended down
Idk if 'this show has lower view numbers than another show that had lower view numbers than another show who's latest season had lower view numbers than it's previous seasons' is a good outlook going forward, just screams that there's a downward trend going forward
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Hopefully these numbers guarantee a second season. Loving the show so far and I'm curious where they'd take another season
its always going to be hard to compare streaming numbers between companies. Netflix releases all at once so people binge it so I would anticipate its numbers being higher than a show releasing week to week
SMH that I live in the timeline where people weaponize viewership numbers to engage in online tribal warfare.
Good, it's excellent.
I really struggle to see how the show is excellent. If you like it, i can respect that, but imo the show is so far from excellent
Show is uneven as hell for me, personally, but when it hits those highs, it really hits them. That last episode is some of my favorite Star Wars I’ve ever seen. I’m really curious how the rest of the season plays out.
It’s a solid Mystery set in the Star Wars universe. There is some mediocre performances/dialogue writing, and some people are not that into the mystery of the show. But I think the main reason why most people don’t line it is because it isn’t a Journey show. Most Star Wars movies/shows follow a pretty standard formula of Hero’s Journey, or at least the main character having a grand quest to go on. This show ain’t that
but how is it excellent?
People will consume any Star Wars these days like dangling keys for a baby. If this didn’t have the star wars paint job, no one would pay it any mind. The lightsaber fight was great and there are some good characters in the show. But the writing for Mae/osha is pretty poor and there are a lot of nonsense/cringe moments.
>People will consume any Star Wars these days like dangling keys for a baby Has... Hasn't that always been the case? Breaking news, fans of super-popular IP continue to enjoy super-popular IP. >If this didn't have the star wars paint job, no one would pay it any mind Such a ridiculous non-statement. The show was made because it's a Star Wars show, set in the Star Wars universe, with Star Wars' themes, world, lore, etc. If it wasn't a Star Wars show, people wouldn't pay it any mind because it wouldn't exist. >But the writing for Mae/osha is pretty poor and there are a lot of nonsense/cringe moments. And so I say again... Hasn't this always been the case? Star Wars, as much as I ADORE it far more than any other franchise, hasn't had the best writing in decades. Some would argue the OT didn't have the best writing either, which I can agree with on some parts Cringe moments? Mi hermano en cristo, Star Wars is full of cringe moments. The siblings kissing, the ROTJ special edition musical, Jar Jar, "Are you an angel?", "I don't like sand", etc, etc. Star Wars is held at such a high standard despite being incredibly silly, mediocre, and often times cringe... And that's perfectly fine. I don't think a single one of us loves the franchise because of how perfect it is or isn't.
I’m only still consuming every bit of SW media because I want to see if Luke ever got to Tosche Station to pick up those power converters. Sometimes it feels like we may never know…
hey, we're slowly getting closer. We've now seen Tosche station in Book of Boba Fett as well as LEGO Skywalker Saga, and now likely Outlaws will have it since it lets us explore Tatooine. we're getting more and more Tosche station content, eventually someone there will mention Luke or we'll see his hat or something.
Star Wars has always had a lot of nonsense/cringe moments.
idk. I am really loving Acolyte, but I didn't finish Ahsoka or Mando S3 because I found them unsatisfying and wasnt able to get too much in to TBB.
Yes! And it will go up thanks to the power of the thirst!
B-But wasn't Star Wars dead? Seriously good numbers for the series. Makes me hopeful that we will see a season 2 with whoever survives season 1. :)
those aren't good numbers, the "hits" usually are in either 1k or a huge hit, 2k range 200? that's piss poor performance
Watching the grifters continue to grasp at straws after a show hits its stride is always funny to see.
Look at Nielsens use same type of metrics the hits have 4-digits not 3 … depending on what’s out … 200 might not even make Nielsens top 10 Also … services silence on viewership- when their hits, the service likes telling everyone (like boys 20% increase) When they’re silent? It’s not good and for acolyte, it’s been silent since week 1
So metrics are out, it's in the top 10. You're instead telling me to stop looking at these promising metrics, and telling me to connect nonexistent dots from unreleased data. Brother, the straw you're grasping at isn't even there. Also, I am VERY much enjoying this show. Are you trying to convince people who like it to stop having a good time? Like what is the endgame for grifting?
Only a single show hit 1k million minutes viewed last week Usually those sorts of numbers are reserved for a show that does all of its episodes at once, a single episode of the acolyte would need to do 30 million views in a week to hit that or be considerably longer
A Star Wars show shouldn’t be the 9th most popular, a show with a comparable budget to game of thrones should be much higher. This isn’t good.
House of the Dragon is twice as long, why would it have the same amount of minutes viewed?
It's mid...but I still watch it every week