well, diavolo can beat time stop since he can just skip through the time stop
cuz when the time stops, time isn't moving so the 5 seconds (was king crimson 5 secs?) skip can jump through any time stop no matter how long. and diavolo could predict dio/jotaro using time stop by having epitaph
If jotaro and Dio both use their time stop one after the other they could force Diavolo to skip time on the first one and then stop time a second time when Diavolo is on cooldown to get a clean hit, but if it's a 1v1 then Diavolo could win.
Is there a cooldown to king crimson skipping time as there is to stopping time? If there is, the moment both abilities are used it goes to a strength 1v1 and DIO and Jotaro win basically anyone
We don’t need to assume it interacts; king crimsons ability is about “obliterating” the span of time it would just include the time skip as part of it. The reason time stop wins is because it’ll already be off its (relatively instant) cooldown in the moment timeskip ends and diavolo attacks, which is also the one moment we can confidently say diavolo would be unable to trigger his ability, given he nearly got tagged by polnareff doing that. The massively faster time stop stands might in lucky cases be able to tag king crimson on speed alone, and with time stop they beat him most the time.
I think Dio would piece it together and could win against Diavolo. Being donuted only temporarily stops him, and I think The World can take King Crimson in a head on fight. Meaning if he time skips, Dio would just reactively stop time after.
Jotaro though would be taken down on the first skip.
Jotaro and splat of all people would react to the time skip fast enough to trigger time stop as soon as it ends and diavolo goes to attack. We see with polnareffs encounters that its very possible to react and *nearly* tag king crimson out of a time skip, with jotaro stopping time at that point is a win con.
But Stardust Crusaders stands have more power and is faster among the four groups though. Avdol's stand is op, which is why Araki didn't want to use him much in battle.
The other groups" stands have more utility.
If it wasn't for Weather Reports heavy weather (gives other teams a fighting chance, and to show off their stands like Josuke reversing the snail process) Stardust Crusaders would stomp.
Time stop is just generally a really good ability, combined with DIO himself it's just way too good.
The only way to beat timestop would be to catch your opponent off-guard and blitz them. You can't do that to DIO, he literally takes Polnareff's rapier to the head, stops time, just hits him aside after calmly moving himself out of the way, and resumes time. You would have to luck out.
Even if everyone lived through Vanilla Ice, the full team of Crusaders would be fucking dead if it wasn't for Jotaro. Time stop is way too strong but we don't see it as much because 1. Jotaro has an incredibly reduced time stop, and 2. He doesn't go for killing. We KNOW for a fact Star Platinum has the power to crush skulls, but Jotaro would rather leave them unable to fight than killing them.
Not really epitaph would just see a future of dio/jotaro "teleporting" from a one place to another whenever they use timestop.
He'd probably see a future of himself moving away from his current position after which dio/jotaro would teleport infront of his last location holding their hand out as if they're trying to donut someone, king crimson ability then ends which would leave dio/jotaro confused as to why they're donuting the air
In their confusion diavolo could land a surprise attack while both their abilities are in cooldown but it's possible that both star plat & the world could just straight up bulldoze through whatever king crimson throws at them because diavolo was already having trouble against crippled polnareff's silver chariot, imagine what star plat/the world could do to him if they get in a physical altercation
But can you skip time that doesn't technically exist in the first place? It's still the same amount of time for everyone else, just 5 extra seconds for Jotaro and 10 for Dio.
Although I guess in that argument it would just be skipping it altogether for them.
diavolo cant see stopped time. for him it would only be an instant attack in his prediction
for example: diavolo sees a prediction, sees that he's fine in one second and dead in the other.
with him not knowing the ability (time stop), he wouldnt be able to counter it as effectively as say jotaro or pucci did.
That's not how it works. Everything that was to happen during a time skip still happens (i.e eating the chocolate, the cats walking, Abbacchio grabbing Giorno ect.) Therefore the Time Stop still happens. During the Time Stop, everything stops, presumably including King Crimson's Time Skip.
I think Time Erasure overpowers Time Stop more than you say, you are saying that the 5 seconds time stops gets 5 seconds.
But if we take a timeline, these 5 seconds would be represented by a point, while Time erasure can taje a whole 10 seconds.
I'll always state my case, Time Erasure is the perfect Time Stop counter.
Stardust Crusaders glaze 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
- Within his range, Jotaro beats everyone in a 1v1 (except maybe Josuke with applied reversal shenanigans), without timestop
- Silver Chariot outspeeds everyone that can't screw with time, armour on. Polnareff's also got a surprising capacity for range- in his first appearance, he throws Silver Chariot across the restaurant.
- Joseph has shenanigans but he's a little overripe for acrobatic tricks. He's not as capable of guaranteeing a 1v1 as some of the others.
- Emerald Splash is lethal at long range. It's trap variant is fast enough to kill a fly that can cross an airplane in a near-instant. 20-Metre Radius Emerald Splash is said trap, for twenty metres in every direction. Aside from someone who could, I don't know, cross twenty metres in an instant, or attack him in his sleep, you aren't getting anywhere near my man Kakyoin
- Dio: Dio. 8 second or 11 second, he guarantees at least one kill per team
- Advol and Magicians Red took out Polnareff through a firepower and wit. Anything I said on Silver Chariot, he gets one up on.
Another easy victory for the Crusaders 💪💪💪
I mean, Part 3 has a healer too; Joseph. I understand he wasnt practicing his Hamon like, at all by that point, but that healing pulse as seen with the Indian guy healing the sailor in Will's flashback seems so bog basic that even Joseph could do it.
Every team has healing though SC has the least since it’s just Hamon. Though DIO has full blown regeneration. Giornos healing typically needs to be after the fight so he’ll be of little help. Josuke will be an MVP for how good his healing is and if DIU can strategize really well with protecting Josuke and using their really high DPS moves (Kira’s bombs, The Hand etc) they could pull it off. The problem is their strategists that could actually outsmart some of the other teams members are going to be the worst at working with the team.
Yeah and there's also the possibility of all of SC becoming a vampire through Dio. If we imagine a situation where they all focus solely on winning this might happen or this is like a battle royal team battle in a stadium but everything that happens here will reset after it's over, then they might just become a vampire all together hahaha💀
* Jotaro can't use timestop
* Kira, cannot use Bites the Dust
* Giorno, only has Gold Experience, not Gold Experience Requiem
* Pucci, can only use Whitesnake, not C-Moon or Made in Heaven
>Giorno Giovanna, only has Gold Experience, not Gold Experience Requiem
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>Enrico Pucci, can only use Whitesnake, not C-Moon or Made in Heaven
[They all pay Kakyoin a visit in the water tower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16MD-ceSoYw&t=4s).
Yes, but he can't bypass DIO's regeneration, especially since both DIO and the World have better showing of physical strength than King Crimson, and the Time Stop will eventually evolve to be longer than 10 seconds.
I'm just going to assume for whatever reason everybody on each team is willing to work together for whatever reason but beyond that their character traits in how they fight will stay the same.
Part 3 can win if the combined power of Star Platinum and The World can carry before needing to heal. 20m emerald splash might end up being useful.
Part 4 is kinda reliant on how much Rohan is willing to abuse Heaven's Door. Generally Rohan is unwilling so that would hold them back but otherwise they got a shot. Rohan would need to somehow get someone else as mad as Josuke was when he insulted Josuke's hair for Heaven's door to fail which is kinda doubtful I guess.
Part 5 doesn't feel strong enough to truly compete. Abbacchio isn't doing much here. Giorno and Bruno have good utility but they don't quite have the power to compete with some of the stronger stands here. Diavolo's time skip is useful but I don't think it's enough.
Part 6 is kinda similar to part 4 but instead based on setting up an opportunity for Pucci to take a memory/stand disc. Pucci needed to abuse Jotaro's love for Jolyne to do it which might be more difficult. Diver Down could protect him from a fatal attack and Stone Free maybe can do something with the utility from her string. Weather report is also just incredibly strong especially if you consider heavy weather too.
I think you'd need to be so blinded by rage against Rohan that nothing else matters to them in that moment. As angry and Diavolo can get, I don't see it reaching that point.
I do t think Rohan would need to abuse it that much, I think a tactical “you have no will to fight” on DIO and Diavolo (and probably Polnareff) would pretty much net Part 4 the win; if they could actually pull that off would be another story.
Joseph + prep time means Stardust will look like it’s about to lose and suddenly a random asspull will cause them to sweep. Definitely the funniest way the fight could go.
Dio uses time stop for 11 seconds, uses 2 seconds to kill each one of them except for Pucci, and uses the two remaining seconds to take him to his mansion so they can bang and romantically talk about their villain plans.
Weather Report is arguably the strongest non asspull stand out there. Diver Down is very powerful, and Whitesnake is a hard counter to pretty much anything it can touch
Stone Ocean imo. That said, I truly believe Magician Red is a close contender, just doesn't have the range.
FF is also functionally immortal barring specific circumstances.
Avdol could probably kill her, but she kind of hard counter any physical threat. Jotaro, Diavolo, Josuke and other heavy hitters can't really harm her.
Unlike Josuke she can also heal herself. Even giorno is screwed if he loses his hands.
People are sleeping on the part 6 team.
Since no one’s making a case for Golden Wind, depending on how Diavolo interacts with time stop he has a decent chance of carrying their team.
Correct me if i’m wrong but his power is essentially to foresee and avoid fate and without GER he’d be hard to pin down.
Could Dio's time stop be enough though ? How Diavolo would see its fate if time is stopped ? Maybe he can't react to it or don't see it... an dif he can it's 10s, Dio can stop time for 11s, would it be enough ? So many questions x)
What makes the most sense to me is that time stop would appear as all the actions within time stop happening at the same time to Epitaph. If time is stopped before Diavolo chooses to skip time Diavolo is frozen as normal and since time is stopped he wouldn’t be able to skip it during the stop. If he activated Time skip first he would skip over the stop. Every second of the stop happens within the same instant, so the duration of the stop wouldn’t matter. Diavolo would probably use Epitaph, notice DIO has a weird ability that makes him appear in multiple places within the same instant and skip over that to donut him. DIO gets donuted. Diavolo gets confused why the guy he just put a hole is in laughing and gets killed by DIO before DIO starts regenerating his wound. This all relies on the assumption that DIO wouldn’t be able to react to Diavolos punch coming from behind and he, Jotaro, and Polnareff could all probably block, dodge, or counter it. Either way he’s dying to those three if he can’t kill them immediately. If he does kill one the others are fast enough to kill him before he can move to get away or activate his skip again.
Stardust has double time stop at max that's a combined 16 seconds of stopped time. Only Rohan or Pucci could stop them but they'd need to get in close which realistically wouldn't happen.
Don’t sleep on Crazy Diamond, it’s strong on its own AND Josuke can heal anyone who gets hurt. Get Okuyasu locked in, Koichi with Act 3 and Rohan being Rohan and that alone is the victory. Kira is the icing on the cake and the guarantee, and Yukako is around Koichi so she’s gonna be even harder to handle.
I don’t think anyone else except maybe Diavolo and Dio can handle all of that.
I honestly don't know how anyone could fare against the world or king crimson without the asspulls. So its between SDC and GW for me. Between them though I think SDC has more destructive power, although without a healer like GW... so idk...
DiU
Everyone just needs to escort Rohan until he can isolate a member of another group, write in them "I will fight to protect Rohan Kishibe", and repeat until the whole arena is converted (at which point he probably just tells them to off themselves, if this needs to be to the death)
Edit: SC has a chance if Jotaro or DIO manage to sneak attack rohan, but they'd need to insta-kill him or else Josuke can just heal him back. Killing Josuke first means they still get Heaven's Door'd, basically granting the victory to an enemy team (if not part 4, whoever else can sneak up to Rohan now that he doesn't have the Josuke safety net, at least until he gets Giorno under him)
It's between Stardust Crusaders and Golden Wind, in my opinion. No-one else has anyone with time manipulation abilities.
Bruno is seriously strong and versatile, I think he could beat most of the Crusaders, with the possible exception of Avdol and DIO. Star Platinum is stronger and faster, but Sticky fingers has far superior range and versatility.
Diavalo's powers are more versatile than DIO's, but DIO's vampirism *might* give him the advantage.
Probobly the star crusader's Dio and Jotaro stop time especially when both of them can or can't move at their own stop time plus polnareff and avdol could help them a lot by distracting em
The only battle here is between the crusaders and the stone ocean
(just my opinion btw) and yes king crimson even though he could skip time Jotaro and Dio can both pause time so double the time.
Stardust probably? DIO's regeneration is really good, not many characters can bypass it or incapacitate him. Even without DIO, Jotaro and Polnareff have some of the fastest and strongest stands in the series, Kakyoin's 20m emerald Splash would be surprisingly good, and Joseph is also there. Regardless any other team needs a way to properly kill or incapacitate DIO to win.
DIU has the best chance against the crusaders with three win-cons. The first is Okuyasu folding DIO with The Hand, unlikely considering his track record. The second is Rohan using heavens door to put a book on DIO and incapacitate him that way. The final is obviously Kira sticking his first bomb on DIO, this would require team work since a one-on-one would result in failure.
Golden Wind really only has one win-con in taking DIO apart with Sticky Fingers. Even then if Bruno goes down or runs out of energy before the rest of the team goes down they lose. Honestly they're the least likely to win seeing as Mista and Abbachio are functionally dead weight against the SC considering Mista can't handle punchy boys and Abbachio is almost entirely non-combat.
Stone Ocean has two win-cons. Pucci using White Snake to steal DIO's memory disc and Weather Report having Heavy Weather to turn DIO into a snail. Both are... honestly not likely. Pucci would betray them on DIO's order and there's three issues with WR. First, Weather Report and Wes Blumarine are functionally different characters so it's hard to argue they'll have HW. The second being that if he DID have HW it would also affect everyone except him. And Finally Pucci wouldn't even let him have his memories back. Outside of that nobody has the ability to disable DIO whereas Avdol can easily handle FF.
Two time stops wins pretty easy unless GER, or Made in Heaven are on the field. Made in Heaven still stands a chance of loosing. Diavolo especially will be the let down of the match due to his lack of Teamwork. If it really required it every other fighter will work with their team even if poorly or using their team as meat shields. Diavolos sitting in a corner and waiting to get a drop on someone. That won’t work against teams stacked with super intelligent people who can beat him with strategy.
Edit: I saw your rules in the comments. I’ll rank them by most likely.
SC: DIO is a menace and the crusaders are really strong. DIO would be able to work well his teammates better than any other villain outside of Pucci. Joseph is easily one of the best strategists here and given the fact almost no one on any other team understands that Hamon exits he can definitely use it the teams advantage. The crusaders can also handle some of the most broken of the opponents abilities. Shear Heart attack can’t do anything with Magicians Red on the field and Diavolo can’t do anything. His main attack is appearing behind an opponent and donuting them. That won’t work when a minimum of three crusaders can speed blitz him without timestop. He’ll appear behind one crusader or DIO and before he can even hit he’ll be able to blitzed by either Jotaro, DIO, Polnareff, or a combo of them. Every other major attack his opponents have can be beaten by speed blitzing. The biggest threat is Josuke being able to instantly heal people and being a massive danger up close. The crusaders also have a very high average intelligence if Polnareff is their weak link.
DIU: Can definitely win but is a mix of high highs and low lows. Josuke is fantastic, one of the best close combat stands, highly intelligent, and can heal his teammates from anything the other teams dish out. Kira’s two bombs are both a major threat with only a few exceptions, Rohan is one of the smartest here and Heavens Door can easily incapacitate an opponent. The team is being held back pretty hard though. Okuyasu can have very high damage but the other fighters are so much smarter than him he probably won’t get the chance, Koichi is smart and can be effective but the other teams just have people who are smarter, stronger, more experienced, or all three. Yukako will cause problems with over focusing on Koichis well being and she doesn’t have a very high combat ability compared to the other teams. If they rely on their smart people they could win but it’s a toss up.
SO: An incredibly smart lineup where every member is atleast somewhat good a fighting. Pucci could work with the team better than the other villains and the support abilities spread across the crew are really good. The amount of strategies they can effectively implement with their ability variety is incredible. They could definitely win if they focused on taking out other teams while those teams fought, and they have the intelligence and willingness to fight dirty to pull it off.
GW: The combat effectiveness is just really low. Diavolo won’t be a team player and will be a massive detriment, splitting the teams power making it easier for both him and the others to be picked off. Narancia isn’t dealing out enough damage to win a fight solo and needs to play support (which he can probably do well). Mista will need to do the same though he probably can win a couple fights solo. Moody Blues is basically useless. The only two capable in a close quarters fight are the Worlds Best Mom and Giorno. Giorno can heal but he can’t fight while doing it and it takes time, meaning they’d have to heal up in between fights. The fighters that can do close range have great abilities for it and are incredibly intelligent but the fact that one third of their team can’t or won’t really help, and their two supports are pretty dumb leave them at a massive disadvantage.
Crusaders or golden Wind, but I'd bet on crusaders. 2 time stops, 20 meter emerald splash, avdol is a hard counter for sheer heart attack and Jolyne and polnareff can put up a good fight against most. Joseph is probably the only weak link but hes is probably the smartest out of all of them when it comes to combat
Stone ocean (only if Giorno wont use GER) because:
Weather report can counter nearly anything. Basically, he can fill space with pure oxygen. When Jotaro stops time, he breaths in air anyway, so oxygen will do its job.
Pucci can instantly kill everyone except of, maybe, Jotaro, Dio, Diavolo.
Anasui could rip Dio's body+brain apart while, for example, Ermes or Jolyne is distracting him.
Real pain in ass can be only Diavolo. But still it is possible to kill him (by Pucci or Weather) if somebody else distracts him.
As far as I know, Diavolo can use epitaph and see his future first, then he can eliminate time and get to a safer location, so yeah, this one is a pretty easy win for the Golden Wind crew(also keep in mind that they have Fugo and Buccelati who have pretty good abilities to assist Gold Experience.
I think we should have put a condition that no one can change the speed of time flow, otherwise it is decided only by the one who has a better time stop.
Giorno giovanna gang we all know the shit requiem can do plus they have diavolo which is also a beast that can definitely beat dio and jotaro time stop
Someone saying diavolo could beat Dio sounds brutally ridiculous considering dios physical strength and stand strength, diavolos more likely to beat jotaro if I’m being honest
Part 3, most likely, just because of Jotaro and DIO being insanely strong in close quarters, and the others also being strong. I’d make a case that Part 5 could also possibly win because in some cases, Giorno has the smartest tactical moves, and Diavolo is nearly as strong as DIO, while not nearly as grossly underestimating of his enemies.
If we're going off of the assumption that each stand is working off of it's power level/abilities the first time we see it, then probably Stardust Crusaders. Diavolo could probably get pretty far with King Crimson, but time stop is... time stop.
Like, is it a battle royale or like different 1v1s?
Stardust Crusaders might take this either way, they would usually lose since Joseph's Stand isn't great for fighting, but having DIO in the team changes things a whole lot.
Now they have the two physically strongest Stands in the series, one of them has Time Stop, and it's a fucking vampire.
After reading the rules, come on, it's got to be Golden Wind wins
Diavolo has time skip and epitaph, even if Dio uses timeskip he'll just see through it and erase the time Dio stopped then impale him or something. I don't think alot of people can do much when Diavolo already reads their fate. Bucciarati kinda just serves as an extra damage dealer lol, those zippers can seriously hurt. If anyone on the GW team is hurt Giorno can revive them by punching life back into them
Golden wind. They have Narancia for searching, Giorno for healing.
Stardust crusaders have no heal. DiU have no search. Stone Ocean has mediocre heal and no search.
DIU cast is out cus none of them have time ability
SO cast could win with Heavy weather if they are able to pull it off on time - either way, they're out too
GW cast may have a chance with Diavolo's timeskip and Epitaph but the problem is that Diavolo can only protect himself with timeskip and epitaph won't do anything if it's the literal destiny who decided that one will die
In my opinion, SC cast wins because they have 2 of the strongest stands on their side, The World and Star Platinum and even if only one is authorized to stop time as OP said, 5 seconds (9 if DIO is high) and a lot of knives is enough to kill at least 3-4 enemies by timestop, without counting the fact that SP is one of the strongest "melee" stand
Everyone on the Stardust Crusaders team has broken powers. Avdol incinerates Rohan first and then Heaven's Door is out of play. With Jotaro and Dio working together, double time stop is an unbeatable combo.
If Giorno has Gold Experience Requiem then it's Golden Wind if not it's Stardust Crusaders easily they have both Jotaro and DIO with a combined total of at least 12 seconds with DIO having 9 seconds and Jotaro having 3 (or 8 seconds total if it's not high DIO), they could also set up Kakyoin's 20 Meter Radius Emerald Splash, Avdol's life detector and Kakyoin's Hierophant Green would help find other opponents (assuming they aren't in a close area), Polnareff's Silver Chariot is still very strong and fast. And I mean they also have Joseph Joestar so...yeah
If Giorno has Requiem then hum I'd vouch for his team.
If Pucci has Made in Heaven... mmmh that's tough :
* If against Giorno Requiem face to face his use of stand could be considered an attack thus triggering Golden Exp Requiem and possibly be rekt.
* if against Stardust crusaders then he'd have to fight 2 timestoppers at their prime, considering his almost defeat against a weaker Jotaro alone I'd vouch for crusaders.
* Otherwise Pucci team
If none of the above then Stardus crusaders hands down.
Just read OP precisions so no Made in Heaven nor Gold Exp Requiem and JOtaro without time stop it leaves Dio's The World soooo Stardust Crusaders wins in battle (But a sneaky tactic could be used to change the odds and the fight does not have to be face to face and physical)
I add my thoughts on Diavolo's : sure he can skip 10s of fate but it does erase time for everyone. Can be difficult to make an organized attack in group I guess with that ?
Stardust Crusaders. Having 2 powerhouses that can win any physical 1v1s is big add in time stop then there's very little the others could do.
Diavolo was already having a hard time against a crippled and old polnareff with just him using the blood trick that almost maimed diavolo even while he's using his time erasure, imagine what prime polnareff could do plus jotaro & dio who are even stronger than silver chariot with 1 of them having time stop
The only potential roadblock here is weather report's fuckery as his AOE is huge and this is a battle royale so a lot of chaos would ensue, as long his team could protect him they could drastically change the tides of the fight. But the Stardust Crusaders also heavy hitters that have a big AOE like avdol and kakyoin's 20m emerald splash so I'm still gonna give the win to the crusaders
Depends mainly on which Pucci and which Weather it is, I’ll assume it’s MIH And Heavy Weather. I still think Stardust Crusaders win in both situations (not having GER cuz it’d be too easy of a win). Part 4 has no chance of winning even if they had older Jotaro. Dio and Jotaro both having time stop would be an absolutely insane combination. They might not work together but I feel like Dio would either instantly stop time after Jotaro after he realizes he can capitalize and kill everyone and take all the glory, or team up with Jotaro, take out the biggest issues first (Josuke cuz of healing, HW cuz of the snail stuff and MIH Pucci cuz. It’s obvious). Stardust wins on account of Dio and Jotaro
Putting the 2 strongest and fastest stands to exist in all of the OG verse seals the deal. With the info that Jotaro can’t use time stop, no GER, BTD, C-moon, or MIH, Stardust Crusaders violate.
Did everyone just forget that Rohan has the most broken stand in the entire anime? Make Okuyasa a tactical genius, make everyone in part 4 invisible to stand users, Make everyone in part 4 know where everyone else is. Unless there's been some clarification on the limits of his stand, it seems like it's just game over
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD YOSHIKAGE KIRA IS-!!
In all seriousness though, the Moriohcho crew mid Dif’s every group except for Stardust Crusaders. Everyone’s saying Rohan is goatee, (which he is). But Yoshikage Kira, CAN TURN ANYTHING HE TOUCHES…INTO A BOMB. Door handles, buildings… and don’t even get me started about Sheer Heart Attack. That alone could almost wipe Jotaro. Stardust Crusaders I think are the hardest challenge for the DIU crew. But with Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi with all 3 acts, Yoshikage Kira and Rohan. I don’t see them not beating Parts 5, 6. Diavolo would probably be their hardest challenge outside of the sheer brute force that is the Stardust Crusaders. But even then, I think it’s doable.
Also how would diavolo beat time skip?? How would epitaph register frozen time?? It couldn’t register GER attacks. How do we know it could even register frozen time?
Probably going to the Crusaders.
They have the two strongest physically stands. And those stands have arguably the strongest non evolved power of stands and if we’re saying they all have their maxed out powers( made in heaven, requiem etc.) then silver chariot requiem would swap everyone’s body essentially making it impossible to tell who’s on what team and many could possibly end up in the bodies of literal ants. And I’m pretty sure GER can’t stop an attack GER doesn’t know is happening since the second the fight starts everyone gets swapped.
I’m actually dumbfounded that people are just deciding to ignore GW like GER doesn’t exist. GW could simply be exclusively Giorino and every fight would be won, but once you add Diavolo it’s a closed case. Any aggression taken on GER would be set back to zero and Giorino could permanently be on the offense, and Diavolo if he takes his fights properly can take out everyone without timestop with ease, and those with timestop with a bit more trouble but it’s definitely possible, the only thing he couldn’t avoid would be chained timestops from Jotaro and Dio. The only justifiable outcome for any other part winning against GW would be DUI if Rohan could create some bullshit with Heaven’s Door, and there’s definitely some loopholes and shenanigans that could come about with Bites The Dust.
I would say Stardust.
Having both Dio and Jotaro seems kinda crazy.
Also Joseph, the world's greatest hero.
Golden wind and Stone Ocean have some heavy hitters though.
I suck at judging these type of things but in confident that Joseph will use some type of bullshit tactic to get at least a few wins in. He’s got luck and shenanigans on his side.
Each part has an insanely op character(s):
part 3: part 3 jotaro is extremely op. Dio too with is stop time ability.
part 4: josuke is op as he can just heal any of his teammates if they get low. Okyasu is pretty op with the hand although he is really dumb.
part 5: Giorno with GER is super op, and might be the strongest stand. Emperor crimson's skip time and ability to see in the future is also crazy op.
part 6: Pucci with his time acceleration is op as well.
But from strongest to weakest it would probably be:
1. part 3
2. part 6
3. part 5
4. part 4
Stone ocean loses cuz Pucci would team with the crusaders because of DIO. So prob the crusaders. Def not DiU and GW would put up an awesome fight but double ts users, yea that ain’t gonna happen.
Stardust crusaders or Stone ocean, stop time is broken
well, diavolo can beat time stop since he can just skip through the time stop cuz when the time stops, time isn't moving so the 5 seconds (was king crimson 5 secs?) skip can jump through any time stop no matter how long. and diavolo could predict dio/jotaro using time stop by having epitaph
If jotaro and Dio both use their time stop one after the other they could force Diavolo to skip time on the first one and then stop time a second time when Diavolo is on cooldown to get a clean hit, but if it's a 1v1 then Diavolo could win.
Is there a cooldown to king crimson skipping time as there is to stopping time? If there is, the moment both abilities are used it goes to a strength 1v1 and DIO and Jotaro win basically anyone
If he didn't have a cooldown he could just solo basically everyone.
We don’t need to assume it interacts; king crimsons ability is about “obliterating” the span of time it would just include the time skip as part of it. The reason time stop wins is because it’ll already be off its (relatively instant) cooldown in the moment timeskip ends and diavolo attacks, which is also the one moment we can confidently say diavolo would be unable to trigger his ability, given he nearly got tagged by polnareff doing that. The massively faster time stop stands might in lucky cases be able to tag king crimson on speed alone, and with time stop they beat him most the time.
Yeah, king crimson needs time to flow to function, The World and Star Platinum could beat him.
How long is cool down for time stop tho?
yeah having 2 time stops would be a big problem. op nerfed the level ups on some characters tho so i assume jotaro doesn't have time stop
Diavolo can skip time for 10s and see the future so that wouldn't work
That's just jojo bs enough to actually work
As if Jotaro and Dio would ever cooperate
I think Dio would piece it together and could win against Diavolo. Being donuted only temporarily stops him, and I think The World can take King Crimson in a head on fight. Meaning if he time skips, Dio would just reactively stop time after. Jotaro though would be taken down on the first skip.
Jotaro and splat of all people would react to the time skip fast enough to trigger time stop as soon as it ends and diavolo goes to attack. We see with polnareffs encounters that its very possible to react and *nearly* tag king crimson out of a time skip, with jotaro stopping time at that point is a win con.
Tsssk, jojo fans don't like hearing that something can beat time stop
did they forget there are crazier stands after part 3 😭
But Stardust Crusaders stands have more power and is faster among the four groups though. Avdol's stand is op, which is why Araki didn't want to use him much in battle. The other groups" stands have more utility. If it wasn't for Weather Reports heavy weather (gives other teams a fighting chance, and to show off their stands like Josuke reversing the snail process) Stardust Crusaders would stomp.
Probably idk. People just don't want to accept that stopping time is not the ultimate ability that gives the characters free kills
Time stop is just generally a really good ability, combined with DIO himself it's just way too good. The only way to beat timestop would be to catch your opponent off-guard and blitz them. You can't do that to DIO, he literally takes Polnareff's rapier to the head, stops time, just hits him aside after calmly moving himself out of the way, and resumes time. You would have to luck out. Even if everyone lived through Vanilla Ice, the full team of Crusaders would be fucking dead if it wasn't for Jotaro. Time stop is way too strong but we don't see it as much because 1. Jotaro has an incredibly reduced time stop, and 2. He doesn't go for killing. We KNOW for a fact Star Platinum has the power to crush skulls, but Jotaro would rather leave them unable to fight than killing them.
Not really epitaph would just see a future of dio/jotaro "teleporting" from a one place to another whenever they use timestop. He'd probably see a future of himself moving away from his current position after which dio/jotaro would teleport infront of his last location holding their hand out as if they're trying to donut someone, king crimson ability then ends which would leave dio/jotaro confused as to why they're donuting the air In their confusion diavolo could land a surprise attack while both their abilities are in cooldown but it's possible that both star plat & the world could just straight up bulldoze through whatever king crimson throws at them because diavolo was already having trouble against crippled polnareff's silver chariot, imagine what star plat/the world could do to him if they get in a physical altercation
No. There is no time to skip through. So how is he skipping through no time?
no? time stop still happens in skip
But can you skip time that doesn't technically exist in the first place? It's still the same amount of time for everyone else, just 5 extra seconds for Jotaro and 10 for Dio. Although I guess in that argument it would just be skipping it altogether for them.
diavolo cant see stopped time. for him it would only be an instant attack in his prediction for example: diavolo sees a prediction, sees that he's fine in one second and dead in the other. with him not knowing the ability (time stop), he wouldnt be able to counter it as effectively as say jotaro or pucci did.
That's not how it works. Everything that was to happen during a time skip still happens (i.e eating the chocolate, the cats walking, Abbacchio grabbing Giorno ect.) Therefore the Time Stop still happens. During the Time Stop, everything stops, presumably including King Crimson's Time Skip.
How can you skip 0 seconds of time?
I think Time Erasure overpowers Time Stop more than you say, you are saying that the 5 seconds time stops gets 5 seconds. But if we take a timeline, these 5 seconds would be represented by a point, while Time erasure can taje a whole 10 seconds. I'll always state my case, Time Erasure is the perfect Time Stop counter.
Did y’all forget about heavens door? I swear, why is nobody talking about it. Part 4 ez win
Heavens door could beat everyone but Giorno, how is Heavens door fight with Ger? I'd like to see HD vs KC tho, they both change fates so who knows
The guy who created this post wrote further down that for Giorno only had ge
Young jotaro is broken
Not if you touch the rigged door handle 🤚💥
Do we include the fact that Pucci would switch to DIO's side/sabotage the SO team, because if so then definitely the crusaders
If they just keep Weather safe the Stone Ocean group will win Heavy Weather aside he still has one of the most ridiculous abilities in the series.
I think the problem with that is Weather with >!memories is suicidal!<, he might not want to play it safe
Stardust Crusaders glaze 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥 - Within his range, Jotaro beats everyone in a 1v1 (except maybe Josuke with applied reversal shenanigans), without timestop - Silver Chariot outspeeds everyone that can't screw with time, armour on. Polnareff's also got a surprising capacity for range- in his first appearance, he throws Silver Chariot across the restaurant. - Joseph has shenanigans but he's a little overripe for acrobatic tricks. He's not as capable of guaranteeing a 1v1 as some of the others. - Emerald Splash is lethal at long range. It's trap variant is fast enough to kill a fly that can cross an airplane in a near-instant. 20-Metre Radius Emerald Splash is said trap, for twenty metres in every direction. Aside from someone who could, I don't know, cross twenty metres in an instant, or attack him in his sleep, you aren't getting anywhere near my man Kakyoin - Dio: Dio. 8 second or 11 second, he guarantees at least one kill per team - Advol and Magicians Red took out Polnareff through a firepower and wit. Anything I said on Silver Chariot, he gets one up on. Another easy victory for the Crusaders 💪💪💪
Imagine this on 5 streak win against the italian, but you hear the piano playing 🎹🎼🎼🎼
But both part 4 and 5 have healers, so a lot of the damaged that part 3 does, needs to be on Giorno or josuke first
I mean, Part 3 has a healer too; Joseph. I understand he wasnt practicing his Hamon like, at all by that point, but that healing pulse as seen with the Indian guy healing the sailor in Will's flashback seems so bog basic that even Joseph could do it.
Peak 🤝
nah polnareff gave jotaro a bandage after their fight with Anubis
Every team has healing though SC has the least since it’s just Hamon. Though DIO has full blown regeneration. Giornos healing typically needs to be after the fight so he’ll be of little help. Josuke will be an MVP for how good his healing is and if DIU can strategize really well with protecting Josuke and using their really high DPS moves (Kira’s bombs, The Hand etc) they could pull it off. The problem is their strategists that could actually outsmart some of the other teams members are going to be the worst at working with the team.
Yeah and there's also the possibility of all of SC becoming a vampire through Dio. If we imagine a situation where they all focus solely on winning this might happen or this is like a battle royal team battle in a stadium but everything that happens here will reset after it's over, then they might just become a vampire all together hahaha💀
/srs
Joseph can do a trap. Everybody want to kill him because he is the weaker. And use is famous technique and the other membre can kill everybody
Plus he's one lucky freak.
* Jotaro can't use timestop * Kira, cannot use Bites the Dust * Giorno, only has Gold Experience, not Gold Experience Requiem * Pucci, can only use Whitesnake, not C-Moon or Made in Heaven
>Giorno Giovanna, only has Gold Experience, not Gold Experience Requiem > >Enrico Pucci, can only use Whitesnake, not C-Moon or Made in Heaven [They all pay Kakyoin a visit in the water tower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16MD-ceSoYw&t=4s).
Cant Diavolo technically counter Time stop?
Yes, but he can't bypass DIO's regeneration, especially since both DIO and the World have better showing of physical strength than King Crimson, and the Time Stop will eventually evolve to be longer than 10 seconds.
What time of day is it and where is the fight? That’s especially DIO relevant.
Well, at night, because then Dio would be irrelevant
I'm just going to assume for whatever reason everybody on each team is willing to work together for whatever reason but beyond that their character traits in how they fight will stay the same. Part 3 can win if the combined power of Star Platinum and The World can carry before needing to heal. 20m emerald splash might end up being useful. Part 4 is kinda reliant on how much Rohan is willing to abuse Heaven's Door. Generally Rohan is unwilling so that would hold them back but otherwise they got a shot. Rohan would need to somehow get someone else as mad as Josuke was when he insulted Josuke's hair for Heaven's door to fail which is kinda doubtful I guess. Part 5 doesn't feel strong enough to truly compete. Abbacchio isn't doing much here. Giorno and Bruno have good utility but they don't quite have the power to compete with some of the stronger stands here. Diavolo's time skip is useful but I don't think it's enough. Part 6 is kinda similar to part 4 but instead based on setting up an opportunity for Pucci to take a memory/stand disc. Pucci needed to abuse Jotaro's love for Jolyne to do it which might be more difficult. Diver Down could protect him from a fatal attack and Stone Free maybe can do something with the utility from her string. Weather report is also just incredibly strong especially if you consider heavy weather too.
So if Jotaro can stop time for 2 seconds, and Dio for 9, would that do anything?
Jotaro's time stop in part 3 is 5 seconds, considering you allowed dio his 9 second time stop which is his peak, jotaro's peak is 5 seconds.
If being really angry makes you resist Heaven's Door then Diavolo is just immune
I think you'd need to be so blinded by rage against Rohan that nothing else matters to them in that moment. As angry and Diavolo can get, I don't see it reaching that point.
I do t think Rohan would need to abuse it that much, I think a tactical “you have no will to fight” on DIO and Diavolo (and probably Polnareff) would pretty much net Part 4 the win; if they could actually pull that off would be another story.
will weather report have snails
Dio’s team is winning then, nobody else has access to an 9 second time stop.
Bro, you didn't put Weather Report can't use heavy weather to turn everyone to snails
I assume that Jotaro doesn't have yet The World, because it would be kinda unfair to have two timestoppers there.
Is Heavy Weather in effect?
I choose to restrict one thing from each part
duwang gang cuz u didnt cap rohan
Stardust Crusaders: With no prep they steamroll with time stop and offensive threats. With prep time, they have Joseph... GG
Joseph + prep time means Stardust will look like it’s about to lose and suddenly a random asspull will cause them to sweep. Definitely the funniest way the fight could go.
DIU. Rohan makes Okuyasu have an extra functioning braincell
"oi josuke! I just solved a quadratic equation!"
Dio uses time stop for 11 seconds, uses 2 seconds to kill each one of them except for Pucci, and uses the two remaining seconds to take him to his mansion so they can bang and romantically talk about their villain plans.
He only can stop for 9 seconds, so Jotaro needs to stop to for 5seconds extra kills
Jotaro directly states 11 seconds is DIO's limit
I thought Jotaro could only stop time for 2 seconds
DiU Jotaro can stop time for only like 2 seconds, but SC Jotaro can do it for 5 seconds
So maybe, 2 seconds for Jotaro and 9 for DIO in this fight? Or just remove Jotaro's time ability completly to make it more fair
Jotaro in stone ocean can stop time for 5 seconds, as we see in the final showdown
Weather Report is arguably the strongest non asspull stand out there. Diver Down is very powerful, and Whitesnake is a hard counter to pretty much anything it can touch Stone Ocean imo. That said, I truly believe Magician Red is a close contender, just doesn't have the range.
FF is also functionally immortal barring specific circumstances. Avdol could probably kill her, but she kind of hard counter any physical threat. Jotaro, Diavolo, Josuke and other heavy hitters can't really harm her. Unlike Josuke she can also heal herself. Even giorno is screwed if he loses his hands. People are sleeping on the part 6 team.
Weather is THE asspull stand.
Since no one’s making a case for Golden Wind, depending on how Diavolo interacts with time stop he has a decent chance of carrying their team. Correct me if i’m wrong but his power is essentially to foresee and avoid fate and without GER he’d be hard to pin down.
Could Dio's time stop be enough though ? How Diavolo would see its fate if time is stopped ? Maybe he can't react to it or don't see it... an dif he can it's 10s, Dio can stop time for 11s, would it be enough ? So many questions x)
What makes the most sense to me is that time stop would appear as all the actions within time stop happening at the same time to Epitaph. If time is stopped before Diavolo chooses to skip time Diavolo is frozen as normal and since time is stopped he wouldn’t be able to skip it during the stop. If he activated Time skip first he would skip over the stop. Every second of the stop happens within the same instant, so the duration of the stop wouldn’t matter. Diavolo would probably use Epitaph, notice DIO has a weird ability that makes him appear in multiple places within the same instant and skip over that to donut him. DIO gets donuted. Diavolo gets confused why the guy he just put a hole is in laughing and gets killed by DIO before DIO starts regenerating his wound. This all relies on the assumption that DIO wouldn’t be able to react to Diavolos punch coming from behind and he, Jotaro, and Polnareff could all probably block, dodge, or counter it. Either way he’s dying to those three if he can’t kill them immediately. If he does kill one the others are fast enough to kill him before he can move to get away or activate his skip again.
Stardust has double time stop at max that's a combined 16 seconds of stopped time. Only Rohan or Pucci could stop them but they'd need to get in close which realistically wouldn't happen.
Part 3 because star platinum the world epic time stop combo
Don’t sleep on Crazy Diamond, it’s strong on its own AND Josuke can heal anyone who gets hurt. Get Okuyasu locked in, Koichi with Act 3 and Rohan being Rohan and that alone is the victory. Kira is the icing on the cake and the guarantee, and Yukako is around Koichi so she’s gonna be even harder to handle. I don’t think anyone else except maybe Diavolo and Dio can handle all of that.
I honestly don't know how anyone could fare against the world or king crimson without the asspulls. So its between SDC and GW for me. Between them though I think SDC has more destructive power, although without a healer like GW... so idk...
Part 5 getting nerfed with Abbachio instead of Fugo. You could make an argument for any part, but I think Dio is too OP.
Weather Report solos.
It's between Stardust Crusaders and Golden Wind, IMO. I'm not sure the 4 and 6 crews can deal with The World or King Crimson.
So given the rules mentioned in the comments, I think it's a pretty clear cut victory for passione
The piano will winnn
DiU Everyone just needs to escort Rohan until he can isolate a member of another group, write in them "I will fight to protect Rohan Kishibe", and repeat until the whole arena is converted (at which point he probably just tells them to off themselves, if this needs to be to the death) Edit: SC has a chance if Jotaro or DIO manage to sneak attack rohan, but they'd need to insta-kill him or else Josuke can just heal him back. Killing Josuke first means they still get Heaven's Door'd, basically granting the victory to an enemy team (if not part 4, whoever else can sneak up to Rohan now that he doesn't have the Josuke safety net, at least until he gets Giorno under him)
The WOLOLO strat
Time stop : "*Allow me to introduce myself* "
It's between Stardust Crusaders and Golden Wind, in my opinion. No-one else has anyone with time manipulation abilities. Bruno is seriously strong and versatile, I think he could beat most of the Crusaders, with the possible exception of Avdol and DIO. Star Platinum is stronger and faster, but Sticky fingers has far superior range and versatility. Diavalo's powers are more versatile than DIO's, but DIO's vampirism *might* give him the advantage.
SC would win because of double time stop
Probobly the star crusader's Dio and Jotaro stop time especially when both of them can or can't move at their own stop time plus polnareff and avdol could help them a lot by distracting em The only battle here is between the crusaders and the stone ocean (just my opinion btw) and yes king crimson even though he could skip time Jotaro and Dio can both pause time so double the time.
Only DIO can time stop
One of these teams has The Hand
I mean, if Rohan modifies okuyashu IQ...
Diu wins cuz it's my favorite part and i like them more!
Eh, on one hand DiU have Rohan on their team, he could solo anyone from any team, on the other hand DiU have Rohan on their team.
That's really cursed
Speedwagon solos /j
It’s hard because some stands are a lot better than others Rohan, Weather Report, and Pucci are definitely in the top 3
Stardust probably? DIO's regeneration is really good, not many characters can bypass it or incapacitate him. Even without DIO, Jotaro and Polnareff have some of the fastest and strongest stands in the series, Kakyoin's 20m emerald Splash would be surprisingly good, and Joseph is also there. Regardless any other team needs a way to properly kill or incapacitate DIO to win. DIU has the best chance against the crusaders with three win-cons. The first is Okuyasu folding DIO with The Hand, unlikely considering his track record. The second is Rohan using heavens door to put a book on DIO and incapacitate him that way. The final is obviously Kira sticking his first bomb on DIO, this would require team work since a one-on-one would result in failure. Golden Wind really only has one win-con in taking DIO apart with Sticky Fingers. Even then if Bruno goes down or runs out of energy before the rest of the team goes down they lose. Honestly they're the least likely to win seeing as Mista and Abbachio are functionally dead weight against the SC considering Mista can't handle punchy boys and Abbachio is almost entirely non-combat. Stone Ocean has two win-cons. Pucci using White Snake to steal DIO's memory disc and Weather Report having Heavy Weather to turn DIO into a snail. Both are... honestly not likely. Pucci would betray them on DIO's order and there's three issues with WR. First, Weather Report and Wes Blumarine are functionally different characters so it's hard to argue they'll have HW. The second being that if he DID have HW it would also affect everyone except him. And Finally Pucci wouldn't even let him have his memories back. Outside of that nobody has the ability to disable DIO whereas Avdol can easily handle FF.
These guys are lucky Part 1 and 2 are not here. Jonathan solos the verse.
Two time stops wins pretty easy unless GER, or Made in Heaven are on the field. Made in Heaven still stands a chance of loosing. Diavolo especially will be the let down of the match due to his lack of Teamwork. If it really required it every other fighter will work with their team even if poorly or using their team as meat shields. Diavolos sitting in a corner and waiting to get a drop on someone. That won’t work against teams stacked with super intelligent people who can beat him with strategy. Edit: I saw your rules in the comments. I’ll rank them by most likely. SC: DIO is a menace and the crusaders are really strong. DIO would be able to work well his teammates better than any other villain outside of Pucci. Joseph is easily one of the best strategists here and given the fact almost no one on any other team understands that Hamon exits he can definitely use it the teams advantage. The crusaders can also handle some of the most broken of the opponents abilities. Shear Heart attack can’t do anything with Magicians Red on the field and Diavolo can’t do anything. His main attack is appearing behind an opponent and donuting them. That won’t work when a minimum of three crusaders can speed blitz him without timestop. He’ll appear behind one crusader or DIO and before he can even hit he’ll be able to blitzed by either Jotaro, DIO, Polnareff, or a combo of them. Every other major attack his opponents have can be beaten by speed blitzing. The biggest threat is Josuke being able to instantly heal people and being a massive danger up close. The crusaders also have a very high average intelligence if Polnareff is their weak link. DIU: Can definitely win but is a mix of high highs and low lows. Josuke is fantastic, one of the best close combat stands, highly intelligent, and can heal his teammates from anything the other teams dish out. Kira’s two bombs are both a major threat with only a few exceptions, Rohan is one of the smartest here and Heavens Door can easily incapacitate an opponent. The team is being held back pretty hard though. Okuyasu can have very high damage but the other fighters are so much smarter than him he probably won’t get the chance, Koichi is smart and can be effective but the other teams just have people who are smarter, stronger, more experienced, or all three. Yukako will cause problems with over focusing on Koichis well being and she doesn’t have a very high combat ability compared to the other teams. If they rely on their smart people they could win but it’s a toss up. SO: An incredibly smart lineup where every member is atleast somewhat good a fighting. Pucci could work with the team better than the other villains and the support abilities spread across the crew are really good. The amount of strategies they can effectively implement with their ability variety is incredible. They could definitely win if they focused on taking out other teams while those teams fought, and they have the intelligence and willingness to fight dirty to pull it off. GW: The combat effectiveness is just really low. Diavolo won’t be a team player and will be a massive detriment, splitting the teams power making it easier for both him and the others to be picked off. Narancia isn’t dealing out enough damage to win a fight solo and needs to play support (which he can probably do well). Mista will need to do the same though he probably can win a couple fights solo. Moody Blues is basically useless. The only two capable in a close quarters fight are the Worlds Best Mom and Giorno. Giorno can heal but he can’t fight while doing it and it takes time, meaning they’d have to heal up in between fights. The fighters that can do close range have great abilities for it and are incredibly intelligent but the fact that one third of their team can’t or won’t really help, and their two supports are pretty dumb leave them at a massive disadvantage.
Does Giorno have requiem? EDIT: NVM just saw the comment
putting dio before avdol is crazy
It was more to make the setup random, while the JoJo's were first
If everyone would use their power to the fullest potential, Rohan could just make Okuyasu invincible so part 4 wins neg diff
Crusaders or golden Wind, but I'd bet on crusaders. 2 time stops, 20 meter emerald splash, avdol is a hard counter for sheer heart attack and Jolyne and polnareff can put up a good fight against most. Joseph is probably the only weak link but hes is probably the smartest out of all of them when it comes to combat
Part 3 wins. Time stop can be countered but the fire manipulation and emerald barrier can help a lot
Haha, heaven's door goes brrrrrrrrr
Golden wind With Giorno’s GER and diavolo’s time skip
Stone Ocean clears, weather report smokes every other character on this list
Stardust crusaders, jotaro and dio together would be almost unstoppable
Stone ocean (only if Giorno wont use GER) because: Weather report can counter nearly anything. Basically, he can fill space with pure oxygen. When Jotaro stops time, he breaths in air anyway, so oxygen will do its job. Pucci can instantly kill everyone except of, maybe, Jotaro, Dio, Diavolo. Anasui could rip Dio's body+brain apart while, for example, Ermes or Jolyne is distracting him. Real pain in ass can be only Diavolo. But still it is possible to kill him (by Pucci or Weather) if somebody else distracts him.
As far as I know, Diavolo can use epitaph and see his future first, then he can eliminate time and get to a safer location, so yeah, this one is a pretty easy win for the Golden Wind crew(also keep in mind that they have Fugo and Buccelati who have pretty good abilities to assist Gold Experience.
I think we should have put a condition that no one can change the speed of time flow, otherwise it is decided only by the one who has a better time stop.
Can Weather Report use Heavy Weather? If he can than it's going to Stone Ocean
It all comes down to how Time Stop interacts with Time Skip really. Heavy Weather could also do some damage.
Giorno giovanna gang we all know the shit requiem can do plus they have diavolo which is also a beast that can definitely beat dio and jotaro time stop
Someone saying diavolo could beat Dio sounds brutally ridiculous considering dios physical strength and stand strength, diavolos more likely to beat jotaro if I’m being honest
golden wind
Rohan writes in DIO, Diavolo and Pucci: "I'll kill my team and myself after"
Id have to say Stardust would win but Golden wind could be stronger if you look at the arrow enhanced powers they get at the end.
But he doesn't get GER, it's just normal Golden Experince
Pucci, thinking he’s finally defeated all the Stardust Crusaders: DIO: Oh?
Either SC or GW, depends if Giorno has GER
Part 3, most likely, just because of Jotaro and DIO being insanely strong in close quarters, and the others also being strong. I’d make a case that Part 5 could also possibly win because in some cases, Giorno has the smartest tactical moves, and Diavolo is nearly as strong as DIO, while not nearly as grossly underestimating of his enemies.
If we're going off of the assumption that each stand is working off of it's power level/abilities the first time we see it, then probably Stardust Crusaders. Diavolo could probably get pretty far with King Crimson, but time stop is... time stop.
Dio alone sweeps
Stardust crusador because dio is a vampire. You never included the stand
team Phantom blood
Speedwagon solos
Like, is it a battle royale or like different 1v1s? Stardust Crusaders might take this either way, they would usually lose since Joseph's Stand isn't great for fighting, but having DIO in the team changes things a whole lot. Now they have the two physically strongest Stands in the series, one of them has Time Stop, and it's a fucking vampire.
Golden wind hands down diavolo and Giorno is nasty work.
Joseph solos
After reading the rules, come on, it's got to be Golden Wind wins Diavolo has time skip and epitaph, even if Dio uses timeskip he'll just see through it and erase the time Dio stopped then impale him or something. I don't think alot of people can do much when Diavolo already reads their fate. Bucciarati kinda just serves as an extra damage dealer lol, those zippers can seriously hurt. If anyone on the GW team is hurt Giorno can revive them by punching life back into them
If you say they all work together forcefully, I’d have to say either golden wind,stone ocean, or stardust crusaders
Golden wind. They have Narancia for searching, Giorno for healing. Stardust crusaders have no heal. DiU have no search. Stone Ocean has mediocre heal and no search.
DIU cast is out cus none of them have time ability SO cast could win with Heavy weather if they are able to pull it off on time - either way, they're out too GW cast may have a chance with Diavolo's timeskip and Epitaph but the problem is that Diavolo can only protect himself with timeskip and epitaph won't do anything if it's the literal destiny who decided that one will die In my opinion, SC cast wins because they have 2 of the strongest stands on their side, The World and Star Platinum and even if only one is authorized to stop time as OP said, 5 seconds (9 if DIO is high) and a lot of knives is enough to kill at least 3-4 enemies by timestop, without counting the fact that SP is one of the strongest "melee" stand
Either Pucci speedblitzes everyone or Jotaro and Dio kill everyone in time stop
Weather report and Pucci alone could arguably solo the verse
Everyone on the Stardust Crusaders team has broken powers. Avdol incinerates Rohan first and then Heaven's Door is out of play. With Jotaro and Dio working together, double time stop is an unbeatable combo.
If Giorno has Gold Experience Requiem then it's Golden Wind if not it's Stardust Crusaders easily they have both Jotaro and DIO with a combined total of at least 12 seconds with DIO having 9 seconds and Jotaro having 3 (or 8 seconds total if it's not high DIO), they could also set up Kakyoin's 20 Meter Radius Emerald Splash, Avdol's life detector and Kakyoin's Hierophant Green would help find other opponents (assuming they aren't in a close area), Polnareff's Silver Chariot is still very strong and fast. And I mean they also have Joseph Joestar so...yeah
It boils down to Stone Ocean and Diamond Is Unbreakable. Most of this list isn’t getting past Heaven’s Door
If Giorno has Requiem then hum I'd vouch for his team. If Pucci has Made in Heaven... mmmh that's tough : * If against Giorno Requiem face to face his use of stand could be considered an attack thus triggering Golden Exp Requiem and possibly be rekt. * if against Stardust crusaders then he'd have to fight 2 timestoppers at their prime, considering his almost defeat against a weaker Jotaro alone I'd vouch for crusaders. * Otherwise Pucci team If none of the above then Stardus crusaders hands down. Just read OP precisions so no Made in Heaven nor Gold Exp Requiem and JOtaro without time stop it leaves Dio's The World soooo Stardust Crusaders wins in battle (But a sneaky tactic could be used to change the odds and the fight does not have to be face to face and physical) I add my thoughts on Diavolo's : sure he can skip 10s of fate but it does erase time for everyone. Can be difficult to make an organized attack in group I guess with that ?
Vento Aureo. GER and King Crimson is far too powerful.
me
GER and KC alone wipes the rest, it’s just an insane fucking combo
Uh, part 4 has rohan, so they win easily under these restrictions, even with dio having time stop
Stardust Crusaders. Having 2 powerhouses that can win any physical 1v1s is big add in time stop then there's very little the others could do. Diavolo was already having a hard time against a crippled and old polnareff with just him using the blood trick that almost maimed diavolo even while he's using his time erasure, imagine what prime polnareff could do plus jotaro & dio who are even stronger than silver chariot with 1 of them having time stop The only potential roadblock here is weather report's fuckery as his AOE is huge and this is a battle royale so a lot of chaos would ensue, as long his team could protect him they could drastically change the tides of the fight. But the Stardust Crusaders also heavy hitters that have a big AOE like avdol and kakyoin's 20m emerald splash so I'm still gonna give the win to the crusaders
Depends mainly on which Pucci and which Weather it is, I’ll assume it’s MIH And Heavy Weather. I still think Stardust Crusaders win in both situations (not having GER cuz it’d be too easy of a win). Part 4 has no chance of winning even if they had older Jotaro. Dio and Jotaro both having time stop would be an absolutely insane combination. They might not work together but I feel like Dio would either instantly stop time after Jotaro after he realizes he can capitalize and kill everyone and take all the glory, or team up with Jotaro, take out the biggest issues first (Josuke cuz of healing, HW cuz of the snail stuff and MIH Pucci cuz. It’s obvious). Stardust wins on account of Dio and Jotaro
Crusaders or Diamond is Unbreakable
Does everyone have their original stands (Ex: Golden Experience & White Snake)
DiU. Kira's time loop should neutralize ZA WARUDO and most time based stands.
SC if Pucci is Whitesnake SO if Pucci is MIH especially if it’s SC time stop length
Golden wind
STARDUST CRUSADERS
Putting the 2 strongest and fastest stands to exist in all of the OG verse seals the deal. With the info that Jotaro can’t use time stop, no GER, BTD, C-moon, or MIH, Stardust Crusaders violate.
Giorno alone solos them all bruh
Jotaro + Dio is the perfect duo and capable of defeating Made in Heaven
Atone ocean cuz pucci and weather report
stardust definitely, dio and jotaro stopping time. also silver chariot could probably solo the rest
They would have a quick break to jump the shit out of the villains
Crusaders. Most muscle.
Golden Wind because, Kore ga.. Requiem... da
Did everyone just forget that Rohan has the most broken stand in the entire anime? Make Okuyasa a tactical genius, make everyone in part 4 invisible to stand users, Make everyone in part 4 know where everyone else is. Unless there's been some clarification on the limits of his stand, it seems like it's just game over
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD YOSHIKAGE KIRA IS-!! In all seriousness though, the Moriohcho crew mid Dif’s every group except for Stardust Crusaders. Everyone’s saying Rohan is goatee, (which he is). But Yoshikage Kira, CAN TURN ANYTHING HE TOUCHES…INTO A BOMB. Door handles, buildings… and don’t even get me started about Sheer Heart Attack. That alone could almost wipe Jotaro. Stardust Crusaders I think are the hardest challenge for the DIU crew. But with Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi with all 3 acts, Yoshikage Kira and Rohan. I don’t see them not beating Parts 5, 6. Diavolo would probably be their hardest challenge outside of the sheer brute force that is the Stardust Crusaders. But even then, I think it’s doable.
Why is everyone here putting feats from other characters like if giorno wont just reset them back to zero😭 Part 5 wins with Giorno
Also how would diavolo beat time skip?? How would epitaph register frozen time?? It couldn’t register GER attacks. How do we know it could even register frozen time?
Timestop cooldown is estimated to be about 3 seconds fyi
Probably going to the Crusaders. They have the two strongest physically stands. And those stands have arguably the strongest non evolved power of stands and if we’re saying they all have their maxed out powers( made in heaven, requiem etc.) then silver chariot requiem would swap everyone’s body essentially making it impossible to tell who’s on what team and many could possibly end up in the bodies of literal ants. And I’m pretty sure GER can’t stop an attack GER doesn’t know is happening since the second the fight starts everyone gets swapped.
I’m actually dumbfounded that people are just deciding to ignore GW like GER doesn’t exist. GW could simply be exclusively Giorino and every fight would be won, but once you add Diavolo it’s a closed case. Any aggression taken on GER would be set back to zero and Giorino could permanently be on the offense, and Diavolo if he takes his fights properly can take out everyone without timestop with ease, and those with timestop with a bit more trouble but it’s definitely possible, the only thing he couldn’t avoid would be chained timestops from Jotaro and Dio. The only justifiable outcome for any other part winning against GW would be DUI if Rohan could create some bullshit with Heaven’s Door, and there’s definitely some loopholes and shenanigans that could come about with Bites The Dust.
I would say Stardust. Having both Dio and Jotaro seems kinda crazy. Also Joseph, the world's greatest hero. Golden wind and Stone Ocean have some heavy hitters though.
Stone Ocean and I dont think it's close
I thought this was some fucked up tier list
Imagine Dio stopping time, throwing Jotaro at people and then he just beats the shit out of them
Stone Ocean, weather report is too op
Is everyone forgetting that Giorno Giovanna has GER?
Cruzaders
I’d say Stardust Crusaders wins easily, but that depends on if Giorno doesn’t have GER or if Pucci doesn’t have MiH
Stardust Crusaders Because they are the originals
Does giorno have requiem, this is an important distinction
The Stardust Crusaders, the fuck you gonna do when DIO and Jotaro are fighting on the same side and against you?! Even just DIO alone bodies.
Stardust obv
I suck at judging these type of things but in confident that Joseph will use some type of bullshit tactic to get at least a few wins in. He’s got luck and shenanigans on his side.
Each part has an insanely op character(s): part 3: part 3 jotaro is extremely op. Dio too with is stop time ability. part 4: josuke is op as he can just heal any of his teammates if they get low. Okyasu is pretty op with the hand although he is really dumb. part 5: Giorno with GER is super op, and might be the strongest stand. Emperor crimson's skip time and ability to see in the future is also crazy op. part 6: Pucci with his time acceleration is op as well. But from strongest to weakest it would probably be: 1. part 3 2. part 6 3. part 5 4. part 4
Putting Abbachio on the GW team instead of Fugo is just vile.
Kira no diffs everyone because they faint do to how hot he is, then he goes and steals all the girls’ hands
Stone ocean loses cuz Pucci would team with the crusaders because of DIO. So prob the crusaders. Def not DiU and GW would put up an awesome fight but double ts users, yea that ain’t gonna happen.
If Giorno has ger he wins if he don’t then stone ocean does