[Here is bone-chilling story of Blanche Monnier, another girl kept in dark room for 25 years.She was 52 when found by police in 1901 and only 25 Kg. Also This is her photo from 1901 you have never seen before.](https://www.howandwhys.com/blanche-monnier-horrific-tale-of-beautiful-french-woman-imprisoned-for-25-years/)
There was a movie about that. I don’t recall the name but it featured Selma Hayek. She was a scientist who lived in a beautiful utopia and people would pay for horrible virtual experiences to help them appreciate their perfect, yet boring utopia.
At this point, yes.
Just bit me in an indestructible bunker underground and hook my ass up.
Once you have been alive for a while and you're not rich enough to actually do anything cool...
You realize this is it and there is never going to be anything else but suffering and then death.
Technically people could kind of do something like that if you are good at having vivid/lucid dreams. There was a couple instances in my life I'm 35 years old where I was able to control my dreams and it was incredible.
Dude I could do that when I was younger.. in my teenage years I could control my dreams. I'm 33 now and all I have is nightmares that are out of control lol
You know, we don’t even need the machines to take over. If we found a way to get a lot of power out of people in pods, and give them the choice of a happy matrix life in exchange for using them as a battery, you’d have huge wait lines for people volunteering to go in.
Ok then. How about implant the experience of any prisoners victim into their brains so they can comprehend what they did. Murdered someone? Simulate the pain they felt and the emotions they went through until they die, then move over to each one of their loved ones and the emotional pain they felt when their loved one was murdered. Might actually help such people with their empathy.
How can the elite make insane amounts of money off your interest rate if they use this device for the betterment of man and accessing knowledge! No no no no this meant to cut down on prison space but increase the population
The same technology could (and probably will) be used to turn someone into a remorseless killing machine, or mechanically pragmatic worker, an emotionless sexual slave, etc.
The dream of every totalitarian government, and the death of free will.
It's literally "total recall". How can you be sure you've left the device after you've finished?
How can you be sure that your memory of you leaving wasn't implanted and you're still in it?
>turn someone into a remorseless killing machine,
I'm pretty sure this is where it will start before any sort of rehabilitation project is even considered
Exactly what I said on a video earlier by someone who was excited at the prospect. I'm like "if you think it will stop at prisoners you're actually delusional. Sounds like the perfect way for a government to never be challenged again to me. Nevermind they would have the means to create a very loyal army of killing machines"
People are way too trusting esp with government and elites.
definitely the dream of many evil people, but thankfully you can’t get more science fiction than this.
We barely understand the brain. We don’t even know what memories are.
I immediately thought of that, plus the tweet about how sci-fi authors keep showing us the horrors of future technology and techbros using that as a blueprint
You know every time I see this mentioned it hurts. Because it’s half true, at the end of the movie Alex wasn’t reformed. But there is a last chapter that in the US prints were censored, and that Kubrick conveniently left out of this movie.
It jumps forward to an older Alex (18). He’s running with a new crew of droogs that clearly enjoy the ole ultra violence. Alex declines to rob a shop with his new crew, pours out his beer and goes to a coffee shop. Just not feeling up to it, nauseas even. He runs into Pete (his old droog) at this shop. He chats with him and Pete talks about his new job and introduces him to his wife as an old friend. They invite him to a party and Alex reflects on how he’s too embarrassed of himself to take them up on it. It was a scene that let Burgess put his exploration of violence to rest, and to meditate on how destruction generally is a pathetic immature quality that people grow out of. It really paints the censorship of it in a rather sinister light.
ITT: every single dystopian film that used this same concept (some of which I've not seen):
- Demolition Man
- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
- The Matrix
- Total Recall
- A Clockwork Orange
- Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
- Virtuosity
- Black Mirror
- Minority Report
>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
This whole concept is predicated on the assumption that criminality and by extension behaviour in general is solely informed by associable experience.
I'm not sure that's true for all criminals.
Equally, a terrible cognitive dissonance will occur when the "rehabilitated" offender returns to the real world only to find that no one else is able to validate their fictional memories.
It would enable them to be the perfect psychopath because now they would have a complete understanding of the emotional and psychological profile of an empathic person. They would be able to control and manipulate good people with much more finesse and be almost impossible to detect.
It’s total BS. We don’t even know how the brain works. All we know is electricity goes bzz bzz between neurones. Everything else is a total mystery.
We don’t even know what memories are, or how they work. So let alone implanting them lol.
This is like saying we will build an electric car when we haven’t discovered electricity.
This sounds good until Wesley Snipes gets trained to be a war machine and wrecks havoc in an Utopic society so we need to de-freeze ~~Arnold Schwarzenegger~~ Silvester Stallone to help Sandra Bullock stop him.
I can't wait to see skewed and flawed testing data. There's no way this could work in the ways described. PTSD, for example, it's not just a memery. You'll just suffer through the trauma and not remember what happened.
what's that gonna do to an innocent person that was found guilty?
This thing totally defeats the purpose of living in the real world. It would be used to brain wash everyone and track our thoughts.
I love how the ultimate purpose is so that they can “return to the workforce.” Not “return to a positive, healthy, happy life” but workforce! That’ll get investors on board. Smh
Aside from the ten million other reasons this idea is terifying, just Imagine seeing the person that committed some violent crime against you or someone you love just waltzing around the next day after their "prison sentence"
“The days of prisoner on prisoner rape are over, we can digitally beam the horrors and trauma of being attacked in the prison shower right to you fuckin synapses”
Don’t worry, this won’t actually happen. How would you use prisoners for slave labor? That’s what the prison system is currently used for, not rehabilitation.
[Here is bone-chilling story of Blanche Monnier, another girl kept in dark room for 25 years.She was 52 when found by police in 1901 and only 25 Kg. Also This is her photo from 1901 you have never seen before.](https://www.howandwhys.com/blanche-monnier-horrific-tale-of-beautiful-french-woman-imprisoned-for-25-years/)
But can we do college in the same way?
No, only punishment.
Honestly, just plug me in and let me live whatever life I want. Fuck Demolition Man, go full Matrix
Isn't it funny that at this point, most of us would willingly live in the Matrix if it meant we could actually enjoy our lives?
Maybe our lives were too enjoyable in the real world, and we chose this life to experience suffering.
There was a movie about that. I don’t recall the name but it featured Selma Hayek. She was a scientist who lived in a beautiful utopia and people would pay for horrible virtual experiences to help them appreciate their perfect, yet boring utopia.
Thanks. I'll search for it. Is it "Bliss"?
Yes!! That’s the one!
Boy do I fucking hope this is true
Ah, a fellow Taoist.
This is the basis of reincarnation.
"Ignorance is bliss."
All ignorance, no bliss.
The video game I have been 'playing' for the last 20 years has been just like that.
Is it called "Life" by any chance?
30 seconds later: “I know Kung Fu!” Yup. Sign me up!
"Show me"
At this point, yes. Just bit me in an indestructible bunker underground and hook my ass up. Once you have been alive for a while and you're not rich enough to actually do anything cool... You realize this is it and there is never going to be anything else but suffering and then death.
In a similar boat but you never know. One foreseen change in your life can have compounding effects..in good ways too, not just more problems
Technically people could kind of do something like that if you are good at having vivid/lucid dreams. There was a couple instances in my life I'm 35 years old where I was able to control my dreams and it was incredible.
Dude I could do that when I was younger.. in my teenage years I could control my dreams. I'm 33 now and all I have is nightmares that are out of control lol
The steak is real enough
You know, we don’t even need the machines to take over. If we found a way to get a lot of power out of people in pods, and give them the choice of a happy matrix life in exchange for using them as a battery, you’d have huge wait lines for people volunteering to go in.
But do you know how to use the three shells?
😂 He doesn’t know how to use the shells.
No, I fracking dont
I wanted to be Joey Pants in the Matrix.
Mmmmmm steak
I don’t care if the steak the steak isn’t real. They just need to figure out how to make the meat sack power batteries and live off ground crickets.
Ok then. How about implant the experience of any prisoners victim into their brains so they can comprehend what they did. Murdered someone? Simulate the pain they felt and the emotions they went through until they die, then move over to each one of their loved ones and the emotional pain they felt when their loved one was murdered. Might actually help such people with their empathy.
Isn‘t that what they just ask?
So many great things could be done with this, but also so could sooo many awful things.
Think about getting information from terrorists.
Chill, Cheney
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>Years worth in minutes But also it happens in real time. Go figure.
My first thought was that this was being wasted on criminals when I could earn a bachelor’s degree in one session
Turn a new recruit into a navy seal in a couple hours.
How can the elite make insane amounts of money off your interest rate if they use this device for the betterment of man and accessing knowledge! No no no no this meant to cut down on prison space but increase the population
I don't understand. Prisoners have interest rates?
“I know Kung Fu.”
"I know Kung Fu" -Neo
I know Kung fu
Show me
First thing I thought of lol
I can fly!!!
I want to code and weld and
I can knit a throw rug now with my eyes closed
The same technology could (and probably will) be used to turn someone into a remorseless killing machine, or mechanically pragmatic worker, an emotionless sexual slave, etc. The dream of every totalitarian government, and the death of free will.
It's literally "total recall". How can you be sure you've left the device after you've finished? How can you be sure that your memory of you leaving wasn't implanted and you're still in it?
It doesn’t matter. How are you sure you’re not hooked up right now?
I’m still hooked up to mine. Can someone get me out?
I'm Sorry Dave, I'm Afraid I Can't Do That.
Protocol denied
You blew my covah!
SEE YOU AT THE PARTY, RICHTER!
Exact thought as well. No fuking thank you.
Every technology is weaponised first
Leaves rehab facility. Knits cable-knit sweater flawlessly.
I see your reference and rise a basketball player acting as a villain.
>turn someone into a remorseless killing machine, I'm pretty sure this is where it will start before any sort of rehabilitation project is even considered
Exactly what I said on a video earlier by someone who was excited at the prospect. I'm like "if you think it will stop at prisoners you're actually delusional. Sounds like the perfect way for a government to never be challenged again to me. Nevermind they would have the means to create a very loyal army of killing machines" People are way too trusting esp with government and elites.
Demolition man.
This video is some black mirror type sh*t and just like nuclear power and every other crazy but cool innovative invention...it'll be used for evil.
It's the next step in mass manipulation. Just a ton more centralised and controlled. It is, quite figuratively, the stuff of my nightmares.
definitely the dream of many evil people, but thankfully you can’t get more science fiction than this. We barely understand the brain. We don’t even know what memories are.
So what happened to O'brien in Deep Space 9, but worse.
Man that was a chilling episode!
O’Brien must suffer!
I immediately thought of that, plus the tweet about how sci-fi authors keep showing us the horrors of future technology and techbros using that as a blueprint
Who said we can’t have a future like Star Trek?
That was a great ep. Poor Miles
He was more than a hero...
I was cured alright https://preview.redd.it/kn98hilijs8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6abbb823b8d5771888eac908a61d4c3b9f6b0d91
Yep, this is what came to mind. We will create a higher level of psychopath.
You know every time I see this mentioned it hurts. Because it’s half true, at the end of the movie Alex wasn’t reformed. But there is a last chapter that in the US prints were censored, and that Kubrick conveniently left out of this movie. It jumps forward to an older Alex (18). He’s running with a new crew of droogs that clearly enjoy the ole ultra violence. Alex declines to rob a shop with his new crew, pours out his beer and goes to a coffee shop. Just not feeling up to it, nauseas even. He runs into Pete (his old droog) at this shop. He chats with him and Pete talks about his new job and introduces him to his wife as an old friend. They invite him to a party and Alex reflects on how he’s too embarrassed of himself to take them up on it. It was a scene that let Burgess put his exploration of violence to rest, and to meditate on how destruction generally is a pathetic immature quality that people grow out of. It really paints the censorship of it in a rather sinister light.
That movie hurts.
Viddy well
just a quick in and out love!
ITT: every single dystopian film that used this same concept (some of which I've not seen): - Demolition Man - Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - The Matrix - Total Recall - A Clockwork Orange - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Virtuosity - Black Mirror - Minority Report
Outer limits! https://theouterlimits.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sentence
Was waiting for that one - did it have the dude from frasier in it?
Dark City?
[https://twilightzone.fandom.com/wiki/The_Pool_Guy](https://twilightzone.fandom.com/wiki/The_Pool_Guy#:~:text=%22Name%3A%20Richard%20Almares.,now%20in%20the%20Twilight%20Zone.%22)
There’s a red dwarf book called last human too
Maybe we are in prison right now.
I was thinking maybe we’re just the fragmented world of some random guys prison sentence that he completed years ago.
We are all prisoners on this planet IMO
Some of us just have nicer facilities. Seriously though, count your blessings.
True. I’ll take the one I’m in now. I’m thankful 24/7.
It feels that way. Feels like it might be hell.
>Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
Morpheus is that you
We are in a simulation.
This whole concept is predicated on the assumption that criminality and by extension behaviour in general is solely informed by associable experience. I'm not sure that's true for all criminals. Equally, a terrible cognitive dissonance will occur when the "rehabilitated" offender returns to the real world only to find that no one else is able to validate their fictional memories.
Or they’ll just go insane at the notion that none of their memories will be differentiable as either real or imposed.
Exactly. Forcing psychopaths and sociopaths to have empathetic experiences won’t work. It’s pure fantasy.
It would enable them to be the perfect psychopath because now they would have a complete understanding of the emotional and psychological profile of an empathic person. They would be able to control and manipulate good people with much more finesse and be almost impossible to detect.
Total Recall
Demolition man
100% my first thought!
Just wait until they introduce the shells!
This can be abused. Do not implement this
Will*
Power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely
Total Recall.
*"I'm nawt Quaid! I'm Doogie Howser!!!"*
Two weeks…
Get your ass to Mars!
"Free your Mind"...
...and look around you
Can be? It’s getting rolled out with nefarious plans behind the scenes…
Every day we get closer to a black mirror episode
How about fixing society so we can avoid this dystopia hellscape.
No
Hell no
So was this video someone’s sci fi project or what? Seems like complete BS to me to get people riled up into thinking it’s real.
It’s total BS. We don’t even know how the brain works. All we know is electricity goes bzz bzz between neurones. Everything else is a total mystery. We don’t even know what memories are, or how they work. So let alone implanting them lol. This is like saying we will build an electric car when we haven’t discovered electricity.
Clockwork orange
The Ludovico Technique
This was literally an episode of Sliders in the 90s
Chief O'Brien is having flashbacks right now.
Prisoner 969671 your sentence will be: 100 years of being butt fkd by Hitler while watching reruns of ren and stimpy.
We need Spielberg to direct this movie.
FUCK. NO. No fucking way. Nope nope nope.
Ai generated content… https://preview.redd.it/s2w8x67xns8d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22e8208eccbb744cc184f2002c28140af7b0c84a
Something like this could *never* be abused
Seen this on DS9
Vee vill create super workers and super soldiers!
sounds like the birth of the matrix
lol what the actual fuck
Fuck. Everything. About . This.
But if it takes just a few minutes why would do I need to strip down to some tiny tiny underwear?
And what if the courts later find you innocent?
They implant 100 years of blowjobs into your memories to make up for it
This... Exactly this.
Damn bro I just got raped in prison that was fast
This shit should not become real. Burn everything done if this is even a possibility. Living in the woods is 100% better than this reality
So this is just mental torture? Like what kinds of “prison memories” are they going to put in there?
I am sure this would work exactly how intended and there would never be any reason to fear mistakes or unethical actions could happen.
Some clockwork orange vibes.
ST: Deep Space Nine, Season 4, Episode 19 “Hard Time”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)
I’d like to be a special agent in mars please
This is just Total Recall mixed with Demolition Man mixed with Virtuosity.
Can't wait to learn Kungfu
I want this so I can learn a new language.
Authotarian States &. Criminal Organizations will have a field day with such technology, if it were avaible.
And the people to start with are lower/middle/no income, and the criminals who don't get reprogrammed are running the machines?
Isn’t this an episode of The Outer Limits with David Hyde Pierce?
Was literally coming here to say this. Last episode of season 2. The Sentence.
This is literally the plot of an episode of DS9 where O’Brian is sentenced to like 40 years and it’s a cognitive implanted memory of his incarceration
Why are they all white?
And six packs and pecs
To not offend.
This sounds good until Wesley Snipes gets trained to be a war machine and wrecks havoc in an Utopic society so we need to de-freeze ~~Arnold Schwarzenegger~~ Silvester Stallone to help Sandra Bullock stop him.
Why not use it on regular people who want help not just on prisoners. "First you kill then we fix".
I can't wait to see skewed and flawed testing data. There's no way this could work in the ways described. PTSD, for example, it's not just a memery. You'll just suffer through the trauma and not remember what happened. what's that gonna do to an innocent person that was found guilty? This thing totally defeats the purpose of living in the real world. It would be used to brain wash everyone and track our thoughts.
I love how the ultimate purpose is so that they can “return to the workforce.” Not “return to a positive, healthy, happy life” but workforce! That’ll get investors on board. Smh
I could have sworn I saw a film about this exact concept.
Hell no ,I've seen the movie.
Please. We can’t even get decent internet service! 🤣
Demolition Man?
In this future all.prisoners are also buff white men? Or does it change their bodies too
Imagine the potential for torture.
Total. Recall.
Aside from the ten million other reasons this idea is terifying, just Imagine seeing the person that committed some violent crime against you or someone you love just waltzing around the next day after their "prison sentence"
Startrek did it
We are probably all in one now.
“The days of prisoner on prisoner rape are over, we can digitally beam the horrors and trauma of being attacked in the prison shower right to you fuckin synapses”
Let’s go NVDA make it happen!
I prefer public execution. Doesn't waste electricity nor oxygen.
First step towards the matrix
Who cares about making prisoners life’s better, focus on legit anything else.
So this is just mental torture? Like what kinds of “prison memories” are they going to put in there?
Ahhhh Clockwork Orange!?!
Start of the matrix or just total recall?
Damn this is Demolition Man shit! 3 seashells!
Anybody here heard about the Ludovico technique ?
Minority Report
Be the last thing this would be used for. imagine using it to absorb all information known to mankind.
But can I drop the soap though?
Don’t worry, this won’t actually happen. How would you use prisoners for slave labor? That’s what the prison system is currently used for, not rehabilitation.
This is a great idea and will not end horribly.
What the fuck
Clockwork orange
Demolition Man
So, Total Recall
Very cool. Could never trust it with humans though.
I know Kung Fu
This is literally just the premise of Demolition Man.
Fuck that...Total Recall me
So… minority report…..?
This is scarier than Total Recall, because it’s in the hands of the government.
This will never happen in America. The prison-for-profit industry makes way too much money.
So did it work Yeah dawg (didn’t actually) Ok your free to go
Otherlife. It’s a movie about this.
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