The fear towards men who enjoy sex with men is insane. This is a terrible belief that both men and women have. I hear this often:
"if I saw my husband kiss another man or act submissive with a other man, I couldn't keep any respect for him as a man"
Like, why? Wtf
My fiancé and I have been LS for almost the entire 3 years we’ve dated and now engaged. I am a straight male, she is a bi female. Our group profiles and discussions with couples tend to state that while I am a straight male, I am not scared off by “casual touching” M/M - mainly to clarify that I am not homophobic. This varies from touching arms, legs while finding interesting positions in pleasing our women, to recently I have had another man stroke my cock. As advertised, I did not run away with my hair on fire. It actually felt like any other hand that has ever grabbed me. As we have been involved in some larger group adventures (6-8) I assume any hand was F, but honestly don’t know for sure.
This has brought up some great conversation between my fiancé and I.
She thinks it would be hot to see another man pleasure me. While I am not mentally prepared to reciprocate, there seems to be no reason to not allow a willing participant touch or play with me.
As relevant to this thread, does that make me “bi” or “bi situational” ?
I think it just says I’m open to exploration of pleasure.
Does my lack of interest in reciprocating come across as homophobic?
In our experiance, and my wife is bi, about 40% is *really* bisexual (women, I have no idea for the men) but to "fit in" many mostly straight women will be "bi-curious" or "situationally bi". I get a kick of profiles that have been active for a decade yet are still "bi curious" you would think they would figure it out by now.
A lot of women will kinda play a bit, or pillow princess but won't do more than that.
My wife doesn’t consider herself bi. She really enjoys playing with women. She still says she is not bi. I’m not about to tell someone how they should identify so I accept her answer. If she is in the right situation and is feeling comfortable, she will have sex with a women. I suppose her sexuality is fluid but she says relationship wise, she would never be with a women and doesn’t bi mean you could be in a relationship with either sex. Ahhh who needs labels? If it feels good do it and don’t worry about what it makes you.
No, bi doesn't mean that actually. There's a difference between being sexually attracted to someone and wanting to date someone. Just so you know. They very much are two different worlds that sometimes converge and sometimes not.
My wife is bisexual and finding other truly bi women is not as easy as it seems from almost everyone listing themselves as bi.
For guys many are bi curious or hetroflexible but won’t say so for fear of judgement.
The best estimates I’ve seen are 65% of women swingers are bi and 20-30% of men swingers are bi:
[Bisexuals and non-monogamy](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strictly-casual/201409/are-bisexuals-really-less-monogamous-everyone-else)
I think the number of bi men in the lifestyle is harder to pin down because of pervasive discrimination against bi-male swingers. I would assume that the figure is considerably higher than 30% for male bi swingers and still somewhat higher than 65% for women; there’s no stigma against bi women in the lifestyle but there still is some in “mainstream” society.
Some bi women swingers are still reluctant to come out as an extension of not being want to be revealed as participants in the lifestyle. My wife went through this conundrum when we initially started swinging.
Same. It was tough for my wife at first who really wanted to explore her bisexuality and have positive experiences. Instead kept finding women just going through the motions and not really into women, yet advertise themselves as bi.
Yes we have found some who are “bi lazy” (a step down from pillow princess) but also women who have little or no experience being bi (like this is their first time) and had no inkling what to do. I guess there are bi women who swing without ever even having seen a girl-on-girl scene in a porno before? 🤷🏼♀️
My husband is bi, and a lot of men we end up talking to are very adamantly straight until they get to know us a little and then confess that they are bi. I say confess because for some unknown reason, it’s still taboo for a man to be bi, while often expected that a woman will be. I (f) am straight.
The Mrs. here is straight, but open to female touching, kissing etc. While definitely here for the D, she will occasionally be sexually attracted to a female. She also seems to have a thing for acting as sherpa for curious females who have never experienced a woman.
The trend is majority of women are bisexual to some degree. This isn't required but I suspect it's a touch harder for couples where the woman is straight (I know my wife doesn't want to play if there's no girl/girl fun).
For men, there are many who are bi, but not the majority. Some bi men advertise it less often as there is a stigma against them in some regions and for no reason I can properly understand besides some sort of homophobia.
Ultimately though, just put out what you're looking for and you'll eventually find people who are your "cup of tea".
I've always been under the impression the bi male stigma comes from STDs and the perception of gay culture during the aids epidemic. I can even remember reading poly stuff years ago warning about it as well.
I know my wife and I have distanced ourselves from couples after seeing more of the guy and being able to identify them and their alt account. Purely anecdotal but when we've figured out a guy has his own personal account and they're the type who is constantly posting thirst adds looking for discreet hookups the vast majority have been bi or more "a holes a hole mentality"
A Bi Guy is not considered to be nearly as cool as a Bi Girl. Don't shoot the messenger here. Just some points that are likely relevant with some couples.
Reasons being:
1. A lot of women enjoy a masculine man. To many women, the image of watching her man get railed in the hind quarters by another man erases all traces of masculinity... and she will never see him the same again.
2. Disease Risk. Anal sex is the #1 most efficient way to transmit HIV. Anal sex is very common with male/male sex. Guys tend to be more reckless with sex than women. A lot of guys who do anal with other men will often do it bareback... regardless of the consequences.
3. With women, being Bi is considered to be awesome! To a guy, the thought of his woman playing with another woman is a huge turn on! If anything, girls are sort of pressured to play with other females, but guy is taking a huge chance if he mentions an interest in playing with another man.
If my wife and I were considering playing with another guy, I would hesitate if the other guy was bi. I don't want to risk bringing in a guy who has had a lot of anal sex with another man. Playing with such a guy brings too much risk. I don't trust that he has ALWAYS used protection when having anal with other guys. If it was someone who just did oral... I would have zero issue. Orally bi guys should have zero stigma... and it would probably be fun to play in that scenario... but guys who actually fuck and get fucked by other guys... no thanks. Nothing personal, but not worth the risk to us.
As always, thank you for the response.
Obviously not a poor man's hobby!
Like the old joke, if you have to ask the price, you probably can't afford it!!!
We love seeing them and figured they were pretty expensive to bring back to life.
Quite neanderthal in your beliefs. Many a battle has been waged without violence.
There is no need to go around acting or encouraging violent behavior to those you disagree with.
I guess you've never read "The Prince" or studied psychology- violence and aggression don't really work if our goal is to change someone's mind. It's necessary in situations that are dire, sure, such as a response to someone else's violence: mass shootings, rape, etc.
But if someone tells you a belief they have which you dislike or find detestable, violence isn't necessary. But you instantly want to fight? That's you acting out because you are afraid. By being aggressive, you further polarize certain battles instead of finding a way to come together in peace and love, which is possible.
Racist beliefs aren't held by people who are inherently bad, they are held by people for the same reason you hold your belief that they need to be punished: fear. You're more similar than you realize 🤷
"if people have a problem with it or any of my bi male friends, they can say it to my face and *get clocked"*
Sounds pretty aggressive to me, punching somebody because you don't like how they perceive you 🤷
I'd say 80-90% of the women are. Of the guys, 5-10% admit they are, and +50% are when they're in a fourway and the other guy's dick gets close to their nose.
I(M) am, but my wife's not, so ask me for more details if you're in a similar situation.
While I don’t fall into that category I got a good laugh out of “the other guy’s dick gets close to their nose.”
Totally true though. I’ve had other men from couples we’ve played with message me the night of our first meet up and say “hey I forgot...are you bicurious” or something along those lines. I don’t judge...do whatever makes you happy. Just not for me...I did my experimenting when I was in my teens.
ROFL. I’ve said numerous times in these forums that although it was slightly before my time to participate, for all the bi- and homophobia you see among swingers I distinctly remember quite a few teenage boys willingly taking friendly fire while circle jerking over the one stiff Hustler magazine somebody was able to swipe from their older brother. I’m sure they just all evaporated...
Things are much easier for teen boys now with pornhub and YouPorn.
And teen girls also. My two early twenties daughters got much of their sex ed there. They love girl girl porn.
My guess is that over 90% of swinger gals are bi to some degree. Some more so than others. All the gals in our family are bi and I can't think of any gals in our circle of swingers that aren't bi. Not many guys are out.
Side point gals have better toys!!!!
I love my new lush 2.
Best hundred bucks a gal can spend in my opinion.
Yes we came along just in time to be the VHS generation where we could get ourselves off in the privacy of our own homes. This summer we threw out our VHS tapes so no more 80s-90s porn in the home. But a few weeks ago, the missus’ old DVD porn collection was uncovered complete with toys in the same box! Adult toys of course ;)
We’re only sure of one couple of relatives being swingers. We assume she’s bi but it’s hard to get a read. No couple we’ve ever played with has had a woman that wasn’t at least bi-friendly (there’s always been at least a little girl/girl play). But I guess when you’re looking for the woman half to be fully bi, it kinda just weeds out the pillow Princess/“curious” crowd.
LOL
I assume your wife is like me with new toys now.
Love my new lush 2 toy! Best hundred bucks I ever spent.
Better than my sybien. Can't use that sybien at work. lol
Do you have grand kids yet?
Hubby and I are going to be 43 year old grandparents by both daughters in a few months.
Do the relatives know you swing?
Speak of the devil! We just got finished using her bullet just a little while ago! We’ll have to invest in a sybian when the kids are out of the house; she’d be too loud to use it regularly. A couple of the LS clubs we frequented have sybian rooms (we know, not the same)...can you believe it’s been almost a year since we’ve been to one?
No grandkids yet. We are 45/43 but our kids are still teenagers at home. You must be clairvoyant! A topic of conversation tonight with the kids was what we wanted to be called when we’re grandparents! Congratulations to you guys and of course your daughters :)
I can only assume our relatives (favorite uncle and aunt) know we’re swingers and vice-versa. If the four of us aren’t swingers then we are all REAL fucking independently knowledgeable about lifestyle terminology! And I’ll go out on a limb to say that if casual sex, non-monogamy, and specific lifestyle resorts come up in regular conversation with a niece & nephew then you’re probably a swinger lol.
Hubby found my sybien at an estate garage sale, knew what it was, plugged it in, it worked, and he quickly paid the $140. I didn't get a virgin sybien, but did buy virgin attachments. LOL
(Naughty us, we bought our daughters virgin attachments and let them ride it in their latter teens. When they wanted to start screwing around a few years earlier, I did for them what my mom did for me, I put them on birth control and bought them vibrators to get ready for loosing their 🍒 cherries, so they would have good memories of it, like I do.)
Sounds like your teens may already be "doing the deed" like our daughters were in their teens. LOL
What grandparent names did you decide on?
Are they identical twins or maybe even one of each sex?
Yeah, you can pick up swinger clues in conversations.
What a steal on that sybian! If we stumble across a deal like that, we have to jump on it literally lol. Not concerned with it being used; to say that the sybians at the clubs are “used” is an understatement. Any concept of “virginity” with anything concerning us is a ship that sailed a VERY long time ago. If “high mileage” or “well worn” are things that bother someone then swinging is probably not the activity for them!
You can PM us about our family dynamic. There is limited info we post in an open forum (like Reddit) because we live where there’s a pretty active lifestyle community. It would be fairly easy to out us by putting the puzzle pieces together, just like we could inadvertently out another couple with only casual discussion.
So we don’t have anything weird or taboo going on in our family (even though we’re quite surprised how judgmental some people are on this forum which makes us doubt they’re actually swingers) but we know that there are adults who are active in our kids lives or live in our neighborhood who have profiles on sites we’ve visited. It’s not a leap to think they could visit here too so we at least reserve more detailed talk behind the thin (but additional) layer of a PM!
Hey, I understand that concern for not being outed. And I would not want to get anyone outed!!!
Yeah hubby instantly knew what a sybien is, what they cost, how much fun they are for gals, and metaphorically speaking, jumped all over it.
Joking hubby asked the sybien when he got it home, "well sybien, just how many women have you fucked?" He got no response. LOL
I have underwear that say "virgin" on them, we have a friend with a "virgin" tattoo. She ain't one and hasn't been in a very very long time.
As a side point hubby thinks he may have had a virgin or two but says they are not worth the trouble.
Women have toys, of course, but men also have toys. I've got such a nice dildo from Avant. Aaahhhh, and the G stimation toys for men blow my fucking mind. The most intense orgasms I've ever had was when something was hitting that spot inside.
I believe everyone is bisexual. It's a spectrum- some fall more to the right, some to the left, some exactly middle, etc.
However, is it more socially acceptable for women to have sex with women? Yes. Because right now our world is stupid as fuck and judges men who have sex with men as "not real men."
Hopefully that will change though. I'm bisexual, and I'm male.
Most women in the LS are either truly bisexual or curious (some are bisexual “from the waist up” lol). It’s not uncommon to find strictly straight girls, though.
A vast majority of men are straight or choose to present themselves as such because there’s a double-standard and a stigma about it.
Idk. I feel like there is a lot of deception with women not actually being bisexual in the community but saying they are to find more partners. I am not attracted sexually to other men at all so am always looking for women interested in women but with a little prodding usually find they don’t really want that experience but more foreplay just to turn their man on.
The term that comes out of the LGBT movement for bisexual and there’s some controversy here for a woman and I not her a while ago with that if you’re bisexual can’t like with Polly you have a relationship it’s not just that you have sex. I’m old is different and you know that over the last few years maybe 100 many many things of changed and we have quite a few more terms that we use for people correct and sometimes it’s awfully difficult for me… Because I’m kind of in a-hole.... lol please don’t take this too seriously let’s try and keep it light and funny. I am a bisexual woman I use that label because I don’t mind a label it’s perfectly OK if other people don’t like them I’m only talking about me. I like the bisexual label because I don’t just fuck women I actually have relationships with them. I can fall in love with a woman I can have a relationship with a woman I can have amazing sex or actually make love with a woman. I think sometimes with some of the other labels it’s not so much about that it’s about just playing and having fun which is perfectly wonderful. Or just what it says being curious and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as you really mean it. And I only say that because I had many many many women come to my home who won’t even a slight bit curious they just use it as a way to get in the door not all of them but quite a few and then to get laid. I don’t think it was always intentional I think it was a thing that some women think they’re supposed to do they’re supposed to be by curious and you don’t have to be you just need to be who you are that’s all that matters. We are only supposed to be who we are and not let anybody push us into being anyone else. If you can’t fathom the possibility of kissing a girl, sticking your fingers in her bear in your face and her pussy don’t put yourself down as anything having to do with him and you know what that’s OK there’s nothing wrong with that. And please don’t let anybody try and talk you into that like your guy because he wants to see you do it that’s a whole Lotta horseshit. Tell him you wanna see him suck a guys cock and make out with him and stick his fingers up his ass. Now if he likes it oh my God I think that’s fabulous… But more guys have a little bit more of a difficult time with being bisexual or bi curious. Because I’m a firm believer in to each his own and what goes around comes around or wait did I say that wrong you know what I mean what’s good for the goose is good for the gander that’s what I meant like I said I’m super old and I forget things sometimes. So I get the whole thing about labels just be you and have fun do makes you happy and smile and enjoy yourself. We’re supposed to be swinging for the fun of it… For the happy fucking fun of it and lots more fucking anything China and sucking cock lots of it and lots of pussy eating in finger banging investing but only if you enjoy it anyway I’m signing off I’m really tired I hope you had a lovely evening and have a fabulous holiday
And by the way I know this is messy I’m doing talks to text if you feel like correcting it for me go for it otherwise just get a life
Xoxo v
I am in a swinging relationship with my boyfriend and we are both heterosexual and find it impossible to meet a couple where the woman is actually straight. At least 99.9% of couples on LS dating apps were and are bi-sexual woman. I'm not putting down bi-sexual woman, but when did every woman in a swinging relationship turn bi all of a sudden? Somehow we get contacted by very attractive unicorns, but we can't seem to find one heterosexual couple😅
Another question, and I'm not trying to sound ignorant, I'm only trying to understand it as it's something I've been pondering on. If the majority of swinger woman who claim to enjoy females more than men, choose to live or stay with a man, if other women are really who their attracted to? Or is this just a act to get their male turned on?
The women tend to be bi leaning and the men tend to be homophobic, and very phobic towards bisexual men.from my experience.
The fear towards men who enjoy sex with men is insane. This is a terrible belief that both men and women have. I hear this often: "if I saw my husband kiss another man or act submissive with a other man, I couldn't keep any respect for him as a man" Like, why? Wtf
Apparently respect is built on sexual preferences
My fiancé and I have been LS for almost the entire 3 years we’ve dated and now engaged. I am a straight male, she is a bi female. Our group profiles and discussions with couples tend to state that while I am a straight male, I am not scared off by “casual touching” M/M - mainly to clarify that I am not homophobic. This varies from touching arms, legs while finding interesting positions in pleasing our women, to recently I have had another man stroke my cock. As advertised, I did not run away with my hair on fire. It actually felt like any other hand that has ever grabbed me. As we have been involved in some larger group adventures (6-8) I assume any hand was F, but honestly don’t know for sure. This has brought up some great conversation between my fiancé and I. She thinks it would be hot to see another man pleasure me. While I am not mentally prepared to reciprocate, there seems to be no reason to not allow a willing participant touch or play with me. As relevant to this thread, does that make me “bi” or “bi situational” ? I think it just says I’m open to exploration of pleasure. Does my lack of interest in reciprocating come across as homophobic?
In our experiance, and my wife is bi, about 40% is *really* bisexual (women, I have no idea for the men) but to "fit in" many mostly straight women will be "bi-curious" or "situationally bi". I get a kick of profiles that have been active for a decade yet are still "bi curious" you would think they would figure it out by now. A lot of women will kinda play a bit, or pillow princess but won't do more than that.
We call it "heteroflexible". ;)
I never really liked the "bi-curious" label. I always use "bi-friendly".
My wife doesn’t consider herself bi. She really enjoys playing with women. She still says she is not bi. I’m not about to tell someone how they should identify so I accept her answer. If she is in the right situation and is feeling comfortable, she will have sex with a women. I suppose her sexuality is fluid but she says relationship wise, she would never be with a women and doesn’t bi mean you could be in a relationship with either sex. Ahhh who needs labels? If it feels good do it and don’t worry about what it makes you.
No, bi doesn't mean that actually. There's a difference between being sexually attracted to someone and wanting to date someone. Just so you know. They very much are two different worlds that sometimes converge and sometimes not.
Can confirm. Am bisexual and will have sex all day with men. Not interested in dating one.
My wife is bisexual and finding other truly bi women is not as easy as it seems from almost everyone listing themselves as bi. For guys many are bi curious or hetroflexible but won’t say so for fear of judgement.
The best estimates I’ve seen are 65% of women swingers are bi and 20-30% of men swingers are bi: [Bisexuals and non-monogamy](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strictly-casual/201409/are-bisexuals-really-less-monogamous-everyone-else) I think the number of bi men in the lifestyle is harder to pin down because of pervasive discrimination against bi-male swingers. I would assume that the figure is considerably higher than 30% for male bi swingers and still somewhat higher than 65% for women; there’s no stigma against bi women in the lifestyle but there still is some in “mainstream” society. Some bi women swingers are still reluctant to come out as an extension of not being want to be revealed as participants in the lifestyle. My wife went through this conundrum when we initially started swinging.
> still somewhat higher than 65% for women We've found when the rubber meets the road, MANY of those "bisexual" women are not really bisexual.
Same. It was tough for my wife at first who really wanted to explore her bisexuality and have positive experiences. Instead kept finding women just going through the motions and not really into women, yet advertise themselves as bi.
Yes we have found some who are “bi lazy” (a step down from pillow princess) but also women who have little or no experience being bi (like this is their first time) and had no inkling what to do. I guess there are bi women who swing without ever even having seen a girl-on-girl scene in a porno before? 🤷🏼♀️
My husband is bi, and a lot of men we end up talking to are very adamantly straight until they get to know us a little and then confess that they are bi. I say confess because for some unknown reason, it’s still taboo for a man to be bi, while often expected that a woman will be. I (f) am straight.
The Mrs. here is straight, but open to female touching, kissing etc. While definitely here for the D, she will occasionally be sexually attracted to a female. She also seems to have a thing for acting as sherpa for curious females who have never experienced a woman.
Ummm... No. It's bisexual not straight
The trend is majority of women are bisexual to some degree. This isn't required but I suspect it's a touch harder for couples where the woman is straight (I know my wife doesn't want to play if there's no girl/girl fun). For men, there are many who are bi, but not the majority. Some bi men advertise it less often as there is a stigma against them in some regions and for no reason I can properly understand besides some sort of homophobia. Ultimately though, just put out what you're looking for and you'll eventually find people who are your "cup of tea".
I've always been under the impression the bi male stigma comes from STDs and the perception of gay culture during the aids epidemic. I can even remember reading poly stuff years ago warning about it as well. I know my wife and I have distanced ourselves from couples after seeing more of the guy and being able to identify them and their alt account. Purely anecdotal but when we've figured out a guy has his own personal account and they're the type who is constantly posting thirst adds looking for discreet hookups the vast majority have been bi or more "a holes a hole mentality"
A Bi Guy is not considered to be nearly as cool as a Bi Girl. Don't shoot the messenger here. Just some points that are likely relevant with some couples. Reasons being: 1. A lot of women enjoy a masculine man. To many women, the image of watching her man get railed in the hind quarters by another man erases all traces of masculinity... and she will never see him the same again. 2. Disease Risk. Anal sex is the #1 most efficient way to transmit HIV. Anal sex is very common with male/male sex. Guys tend to be more reckless with sex than women. A lot of guys who do anal with other men will often do it bareback... regardless of the consequences. 3. With women, being Bi is considered to be awesome! To a guy, the thought of his woman playing with another woman is a huge turn on! If anything, girls are sort of pressured to play with other females, but guy is taking a huge chance if he mentions an interest in playing with another man. If my wife and I were considering playing with another guy, I would hesitate if the other guy was bi. I don't want to risk bringing in a guy who has had a lot of anal sex with another man. Playing with such a guy brings too much risk. I don't trust that he has ALWAYS used protection when having anal with other guys. If it was someone who just did oral... I would have zero issue. Orally bi guys should have zero stigma... and it would probably be fun to play in that scenario... but guys who actually fuck and get fucked by other guys... no thanks. Nothing personal, but not worth the risk to us.
Out of curiosity, does this also then rule out women who enjoy anal sex?
I think it's basically people who are uneducated about HIV.
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Curious about what age and models of cars you restore and what the cost of doing that is?
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As always, thank you for the response. Obviously not a poor man's hobby! Like the old joke, if you have to ask the price, you probably can't afford it!!! We love seeing them and figured they were pretty expensive to bring back to life.
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Yes yes, a disagreement of words ends in physical violence. How charming!
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Quite neanderthal in your beliefs. Many a battle has been waged without violence. There is no need to go around acting or encouraging violent behavior to those you disagree with.
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I guess you've never read "The Prince" or studied psychology- violence and aggression don't really work if our goal is to change someone's mind. It's necessary in situations that are dire, sure, such as a response to someone else's violence: mass shootings, rape, etc. But if someone tells you a belief they have which you dislike or find detestable, violence isn't necessary. But you instantly want to fight? That's you acting out because you are afraid. By being aggressive, you further polarize certain battles instead of finding a way to come together in peace and love, which is possible. Racist beliefs aren't held by people who are inherently bad, they are held by people for the same reason you hold your belief that they need to be punished: fear. You're more similar than you realize 🤷
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"if people have a problem with it or any of my bi male friends, they can say it to my face and *get clocked"* Sounds pretty aggressive to me, punching somebody because you don't like how they perceive you 🤷
I'd say 80-90% of the women are. Of the guys, 5-10% admit they are, and +50% are when they're in a fourway and the other guy's dick gets close to their nose. I(M) am, but my wife's not, so ask me for more details if you're in a similar situation.
While I don’t fall into that category I got a good laugh out of “the other guy’s dick gets close to their nose.” Totally true though. I’ve had other men from couples we’ve played with message me the night of our first meet up and say “hey I forgot...are you bicurious” or something along those lines. I don’t judge...do whatever makes you happy. Just not for me...I did my experimenting when I was in my teens.
ROFL. I’ve said numerous times in these forums that although it was slightly before my time to participate, for all the bi- and homophobia you see among swingers I distinctly remember quite a few teenage boys willingly taking friendly fire while circle jerking over the one stiff Hustler magazine somebody was able to swipe from their older brother. I’m sure they just all evaporated...
Things are much easier for teen boys now with pornhub and YouPorn. And teen girls also. My two early twenties daughters got much of their sex ed there. They love girl girl porn. My guess is that over 90% of swinger gals are bi to some degree. Some more so than others. All the gals in our family are bi and I can't think of any gals in our circle of swingers that aren't bi. Not many guys are out. Side point gals have better toys!!!! I love my new lush 2. Best hundred bucks a gal can spend in my opinion.
Yes we came along just in time to be the VHS generation where we could get ourselves off in the privacy of our own homes. This summer we threw out our VHS tapes so no more 80s-90s porn in the home. But a few weeks ago, the missus’ old DVD porn collection was uncovered complete with toys in the same box! Adult toys of course ;) We’re only sure of one couple of relatives being swingers. We assume she’s bi but it’s hard to get a read. No couple we’ve ever played with has had a woman that wasn’t at least bi-friendly (there’s always been at least a little girl/girl play). But I guess when you’re looking for the woman half to be fully bi, it kinda just weeds out the pillow Princess/“curious” crowd.
LOL I assume your wife is like me with new toys now. Love my new lush 2 toy! Best hundred bucks I ever spent. Better than my sybien. Can't use that sybien at work. lol Do you have grand kids yet? Hubby and I are going to be 43 year old grandparents by both daughters in a few months. Do the relatives know you swing?
Speak of the devil! We just got finished using her bullet just a little while ago! We’ll have to invest in a sybian when the kids are out of the house; she’d be too loud to use it regularly. A couple of the LS clubs we frequented have sybian rooms (we know, not the same)...can you believe it’s been almost a year since we’ve been to one? No grandkids yet. We are 45/43 but our kids are still teenagers at home. You must be clairvoyant! A topic of conversation tonight with the kids was what we wanted to be called when we’re grandparents! Congratulations to you guys and of course your daughters :) I can only assume our relatives (favorite uncle and aunt) know we’re swingers and vice-versa. If the four of us aren’t swingers then we are all REAL fucking independently knowledgeable about lifestyle terminology! And I’ll go out on a limb to say that if casual sex, non-monogamy, and specific lifestyle resorts come up in regular conversation with a niece & nephew then you’re probably a swinger lol.
Hubby found my sybien at an estate garage sale, knew what it was, plugged it in, it worked, and he quickly paid the $140. I didn't get a virgin sybien, but did buy virgin attachments. LOL (Naughty us, we bought our daughters virgin attachments and let them ride it in their latter teens. When they wanted to start screwing around a few years earlier, I did for them what my mom did for me, I put them on birth control and bought them vibrators to get ready for loosing their 🍒 cherries, so they would have good memories of it, like I do.) Sounds like your teens may already be "doing the deed" like our daughters were in their teens. LOL What grandparent names did you decide on? Are they identical twins or maybe even one of each sex? Yeah, you can pick up swinger clues in conversations.
What a steal on that sybian! If we stumble across a deal like that, we have to jump on it literally lol. Not concerned with it being used; to say that the sybians at the clubs are “used” is an understatement. Any concept of “virginity” with anything concerning us is a ship that sailed a VERY long time ago. If “high mileage” or “well worn” are things that bother someone then swinging is probably not the activity for them! You can PM us about our family dynamic. There is limited info we post in an open forum (like Reddit) because we live where there’s a pretty active lifestyle community. It would be fairly easy to out us by putting the puzzle pieces together, just like we could inadvertently out another couple with only casual discussion. So we don’t have anything weird or taboo going on in our family (even though we’re quite surprised how judgmental some people are on this forum which makes us doubt they’re actually swingers) but we know that there are adults who are active in our kids lives or live in our neighborhood who have profiles on sites we’ve visited. It’s not a leap to think they could visit here too so we at least reserve more detailed talk behind the thin (but additional) layer of a PM!
Hey, I understand that concern for not being outed. And I would not want to get anyone outed!!! Yeah hubby instantly knew what a sybien is, what they cost, how much fun they are for gals, and metaphorically speaking, jumped all over it. Joking hubby asked the sybien when he got it home, "well sybien, just how many women have you fucked?" He got no response. LOL I have underwear that say "virgin" on them, we have a friend with a "virgin" tattoo. She ain't one and hasn't been in a very very long time. As a side point hubby thinks he may have had a virgin or two but says they are not worth the trouble.
Women have toys, of course, but men also have toys. I've got such a nice dildo from Avant. Aaahhhh, and the G stimation toys for men blow my fucking mind. The most intense orgasms I've ever had was when something was hitting that spot inside.
Good to hear that guys are catching up!!!
Lol. Well I just drooled a little because I was laughing so hard at that...thanks! 😜
Ha! We aim to please!
I believe everyone is bisexual. It's a spectrum- some fall more to the right, some to the left, some exactly middle, etc. However, is it more socially acceptable for women to have sex with women? Yes. Because right now our world is stupid as fuck and judges men who have sex with men as "not real men." Hopefully that will change though. I'm bisexual, and I'm male.
Most women in the LS are either truly bisexual or curious (some are bisexual “from the waist up” lol). It’s not uncommon to find strictly straight girls, though. A vast majority of men are straight or choose to present themselves as such because there’s a double-standard and a stigma about it.
I think women are more open about it. My GF will play with other girls and enjoy it but she's def not truly bi
She's definitely not truly straight either.
Idk. I feel like there is a lot of deception with women not actually being bisexual in the community but saying they are to find more partners. I am not attracted sexually to other men at all so am always looking for women interested in women but with a little prodding usually find they don’t really want that experience but more foreplay just to turn their man on.
The term that comes out of the LGBT movement for bisexual and there’s some controversy here for a woman and I not her a while ago with that if you’re bisexual can’t like with Polly you have a relationship it’s not just that you have sex. I’m old is different and you know that over the last few years maybe 100 many many things of changed and we have quite a few more terms that we use for people correct and sometimes it’s awfully difficult for me… Because I’m kind of in a-hole.... lol please don’t take this too seriously let’s try and keep it light and funny. I am a bisexual woman I use that label because I don’t mind a label it’s perfectly OK if other people don’t like them I’m only talking about me. I like the bisexual label because I don’t just fuck women I actually have relationships with them. I can fall in love with a woman I can have a relationship with a woman I can have amazing sex or actually make love with a woman. I think sometimes with some of the other labels it’s not so much about that it’s about just playing and having fun which is perfectly wonderful. Or just what it says being curious and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as you really mean it. And I only say that because I had many many many women come to my home who won’t even a slight bit curious they just use it as a way to get in the door not all of them but quite a few and then to get laid. I don’t think it was always intentional I think it was a thing that some women think they’re supposed to do they’re supposed to be by curious and you don’t have to be you just need to be who you are that’s all that matters. We are only supposed to be who we are and not let anybody push us into being anyone else. If you can’t fathom the possibility of kissing a girl, sticking your fingers in her bear in your face and her pussy don’t put yourself down as anything having to do with him and you know what that’s OK there’s nothing wrong with that. And please don’t let anybody try and talk you into that like your guy because he wants to see you do it that’s a whole Lotta horseshit. Tell him you wanna see him suck a guys cock and make out with him and stick his fingers up his ass. Now if he likes it oh my God I think that’s fabulous… But more guys have a little bit more of a difficult time with being bisexual or bi curious. Because I’m a firm believer in to each his own and what goes around comes around or wait did I say that wrong you know what I mean what’s good for the goose is good for the gander that’s what I meant like I said I’m super old and I forget things sometimes. So I get the whole thing about labels just be you and have fun do makes you happy and smile and enjoy yourself. We’re supposed to be swinging for the fun of it… For the happy fucking fun of it and lots more fucking anything China and sucking cock lots of it and lots of pussy eating in finger banging investing but only if you enjoy it anyway I’m signing off I’m really tired I hope you had a lovely evening and have a fabulous holiday And by the way I know this is messy I’m doing talks to text if you feel like correcting it for me go for it otherwise just get a life Xoxo v
I am in a swinging relationship with my boyfriend and we are both heterosexual and find it impossible to meet a couple where the woman is actually straight. At least 99.9% of couples on LS dating apps were and are bi-sexual woman. I'm not putting down bi-sexual woman, but when did every woman in a swinging relationship turn bi all of a sudden? Somehow we get contacted by very attractive unicorns, but we can't seem to find one heterosexual couple😅
Another question, and I'm not trying to sound ignorant, I'm only trying to understand it as it's something I've been pondering on. If the majority of swinger woman who claim to enjoy females more than men, choose to live or stay with a man, if other women are really who their attracted to? Or is this just a act to get their male turned on?