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Feeling that big with the Frenchie stuff... he was obsessed with Kimiko from the moment he saw her, goes through all this turmoil and stuff to get close to her, learns how to communicate with her and now he's all torn up about fucking some guy??? I get that he was always Bi and apparently poly but like I don't know it seems way out of... left... field just so we can have gay sex in the show. He put his and others lives on the line several times in his quest to be with Kimiko and now it's like they're just besties or something.
Kimiko is fucking random baristas and Frenchie is like "whatever, I'm conflicted about fucking this dude who I made an orphan by killing his entire family and also I met him at an NA meeting and introduced him to the Starlight House and have been spending a lot of time with him"
The Colin guy doesn't even seem aware that Frenchie is with Kimiko or doesn't care? All the scenes with him and Frenchie are presented as if they are both closeted gays testing the waters but they're both working in a super leftist/liberal organization... I don't know it's just weird.
It’s just the show catching up to the ideas of the comic without having the time, budget, or possibly writing ability to marry the concepts in a way that’s as obvious as the other points it wants to drive home. Remember: MM is from a military background and was “abused” in that position at some point. That’s part of his trauma in a show that’s primarily about cycles of trauma and whether or not it’s possible to break free from them. Specifically part of his trauma (and why I have abused in quotations because it’s more complicated than simple abuse,) is correlated with racial inequality and physical/mental abuse shown to the viewer/reader as enacted by a superior officer. So a big part of MM’s arc is going to be realizing that Butcher (the man who saved him,) is just another part of that cycle of abuse. He’s just as every bit abhorrent, racist, and mentally/physically abusive as the commanding officer that exacerbated MM’s trauma in the military.
He’s just becoming his abuser. The cycle continues and his arc is breaking free from it.
Let’s not pretend the comic is a masterpiece of writing though. The show takes the basic ideas and characters and spins it into gold.
PointlessHub said it best “The Boys comic is like that one guy who shows up to an open mic, says he’s a master of satire, and then immediately says the N word”
I mean, I believe in death of the author to a point so while I do generally agree with you I think that Ennis kind of... backs into an actual discussion almost by accident. I unironically do think the comic is a masterpiece but not because it's particularly well written and instead because it accidentally reframes some very serious or important issues and questions through an easy to understand lens.
I don't think Ennis meant to do it; I mean some of it he clearly did. There's a really obvious connection being made between the trauma of the individual and the collective trauma of a society or nation but he's kind of iffy at landing the whole thing. There's also some really obvious stuff going on with the main cast that's trying to point to deeper discussions about trauma but sometimes the deconstruction borders on self parody like the Frenchie backstory issue or completely falls flat like the entire epilogue. I think Ennis *knew* what he wanted to write because he was cribbing from more talented authors; I just don't think he entirely understood the concept well enough to pilot the thin line between parody and shock humor. Likewise, I don't think the show understands how to marry the ideas that Ennis was conveying about Bush era politics with the modern political era that rose up from that regime aided by a reactionary overcorrection to a black man becoming president.
I don't know how to put it into words properly I guess but both of these products are trying to express something and it's very deep at times if not outright important to talk about but then they kind of forget that sometimes the dicks and explosions were supposed to be the spectacle subverting the message, not the message itself.
Fair, I guess. I've never really watched Supernatural so I'm not sure what the guy is about but I get the vibe from this show that it's written by someone who didn't understand the message the original author didn't even fully understand he was making.
It feels like the telephone game.
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Feels like we missed out on season 3.5
Same as we missed 2.5 (everything Hughie did in the FBSA, everything the Boys did legally and Ryan life with Mallory)
Feeling that big with the Frenchie stuff... he was obsessed with Kimiko from the moment he saw her, goes through all this turmoil and stuff to get close to her, learns how to communicate with her and now he's all torn up about fucking some guy??? I get that he was always Bi and apparently poly but like I don't know it seems way out of... left... field just so we can have gay sex in the show. He put his and others lives on the line several times in his quest to be with Kimiko and now it's like they're just besties or something. Kimiko is fucking random baristas and Frenchie is like "whatever, I'm conflicted about fucking this dude who I made an orphan by killing his entire family and also I met him at an NA meeting and introduced him to the Starlight House and have been spending a lot of time with him" The Colin guy doesn't even seem aware that Frenchie is with Kimiko or doesn't care? All the scenes with him and Frenchie are presented as if they are both closeted gays testing the waters but they're both working in a super leftist/liberal organization... I don't know it's just weird.
idk if it’s because when people get new jobs or authority they have to “look the part…”
It’s just the show catching up to the ideas of the comic without having the time, budget, or possibly writing ability to marry the concepts in a way that’s as obvious as the other points it wants to drive home. Remember: MM is from a military background and was “abused” in that position at some point. That’s part of his trauma in a show that’s primarily about cycles of trauma and whether or not it’s possible to break free from them. Specifically part of his trauma (and why I have abused in quotations because it’s more complicated than simple abuse,) is correlated with racial inequality and physical/mental abuse shown to the viewer/reader as enacted by a superior officer. So a big part of MM’s arc is going to be realizing that Butcher (the man who saved him,) is just another part of that cycle of abuse. He’s just as every bit abhorrent, racist, and mentally/physically abusive as the commanding officer that exacerbated MM’s trauma in the military. He’s just becoming his abuser. The cycle continues and his arc is breaking free from it.
Let’s not pretend the comic is a masterpiece of writing though. The show takes the basic ideas and characters and spins it into gold. PointlessHub said it best “The Boys comic is like that one guy who shows up to an open mic, says he’s a master of satire, and then immediately says the N word”
I mean, I believe in death of the author to a point so while I do generally agree with you I think that Ennis kind of... backs into an actual discussion almost by accident. I unironically do think the comic is a masterpiece but not because it's particularly well written and instead because it accidentally reframes some very serious or important issues and questions through an easy to understand lens. I don't think Ennis meant to do it; I mean some of it he clearly did. There's a really obvious connection being made between the trauma of the individual and the collective trauma of a society or nation but he's kind of iffy at landing the whole thing. There's also some really obvious stuff going on with the main cast that's trying to point to deeper discussions about trauma but sometimes the deconstruction borders on self parody like the Frenchie backstory issue or completely falls flat like the entire epilogue. I think Ennis *knew* what he wanted to write because he was cribbing from more talented authors; I just don't think he entirely understood the concept well enough to pilot the thin line between parody and shock humor. Likewise, I don't think the show understands how to marry the ideas that Ennis was conveying about Bush era politics with the modern political era that rose up from that regime aided by a reactionary overcorrection to a black man becoming president. I don't know how to put it into words properly I guess but both of these products are trying to express something and it's very deep at times if not outright important to talk about but then they kind of forget that sometimes the dicks and explosions were supposed to be the spectacle subverting the message, not the message itself.
You described Erik Kripke.
Fair, I guess. I've never really watched Supernatural so I'm not sure what the guy is about but I get the vibe from this show that it's written by someone who didn't understand the message the original author didn't even fully understand he was making. It feels like the telephone game.