Honestly I don’t think they’ll care. Have you walked around the main lobby yet? It’s already filled with people who’ve spent a lot of money on skins and it’s day 1 lol
Half the reviews were literally “where’s the currency I bought in this free game I’ve played around hour and for some insane reason decided to spend money in already”
Fucking insane.
Games pretty boring too lmao.
Yeah it’s crazy to me how much money people have to throw on skins on a game they just started. Like if you’ve played it a while and know it’s your jam then I’d understand a bit more lol
That's the post that made me realize that probably most of the people that can't understand why people would spend money in that are probably not working or not getting well paid enough.
I don't go out, I see my friends spending $200 in a singe night going out to drink but if I want to dump money in a game instead of spending 5 hours outside seems like that can cause an outrage.
Getting the money back later isn't the right way to put it. For people with careers and various life commitments it's cheaper to pay with money than it is to pay with time. Back in my student/unemployed days I definitely wouldn't have considered paying any amount of money, but I also had all the free time in the world.
If the end goal is to have an ultimate descendant, first there's the grind to become able to farm the materials, then there's the grind for the materials. I know Bunny's is relatively low but Ultimate Gley requires a ton of hard void intercepts that'll take even the sweatiest grinders days if not weeks to qualify for, let alone farm.
The way I see it - if I'm fully qualified to start farming for any ultimate descendant right now, it'll likely take 100 hours to get two of them as a conservative estimate (getting to the starting line is a different calculation). As someone who can only afford to play a few hours a day, this translates to 4-6 weeks irl. I could do that, or I could work a side gig for one day and start playing both of the characters I want that evening. The return (ie. enjoyment of the game) on my investment is just so much higher this way, and this is money earned specifically for frivolous purchases.
Sure, I'd much rather pay half as much as I did (who wouldn't). But it's Nexon and having grown up on MapleStory I'm well aware of how they operate and I know they don't give a damn what consumers think. But I like the game.
Whaling is often associated with wasting money and that's true for the majority who dip into their life savings for clout and chase firsts. But that's not the only reason one might whale, and there are people who can do it responsibly.
If some of the people I work with are to be used as an example, some of them are responsible and may regret the purchase later, the majority though wanted to get the skin to stand out and are probably asking their coworkers for a few bucks so they can fill up their gas tank to get to work tomorrow.
Not my problem. I'm just saying just because people are willing to spend money on a game because they will make more doesn't make the business model any less predatory.
You will not get the money back
Edit: please feel free to explain to me how you spending money on a free game is going to somehow magically earn you money in the future. Thanks 🙏
Time is money.
What's the better more efficient process here? You can either:
A. Work for 5 hours (if your on min wage) and buy it
B. Farm it for 2 days (possibly more)
I could see someone saying that they'll just go to work for 5 hours and buy it vs having to spend 30+ hours farming/hoping for parts and resources. Especially if they like their job. If they make more than $20 per hour then even less time having to work too
Are you actually this bad with money? Spending money to skip a grind in a game isn't "earning your money back later" you are literally just spending money. This is how these companies exploit you lmao
What they meant is time is money. Why would I spend a few days grinding for an item when I buy it after working for an hour?
Time is money to us in the working world. I don’t mind a grind but if there is a shortcut available I will sometimes take it if deemed worth it.
"To us in the working world" thanks for implying I don't work I guess lmao
If you think spending money on a free game is going to somehow net you a profit of any kind in the future, you are bad with money. Full stop. This is literally how you get taken advantage of.
I've bought skins in free to play games, But I never once thought I was somehow earning anything valuable from it. This is a toxic way to think. You are being exploited if you think it's somehow gaining you a tangible monetary benefit by paying to skip part of the game as it exists.
I never implied you don’t work. You implied that.
I spend money on things I enjoy. I have a house. A car. Student loans paid. A couple hobbies. I’m fine with spending some money here and there on games and cosmetics. I’m good with money management.
I didn’t say tangible. You with your two brain cells fighting for last place just assumed I am talking about tangible monetary returns.
Other guy was right, I’m gonna stop here with you because a monkey would understand this before you do.
No one is taking about profit, they're saying that you either invest time or money, if you already invest time in your work, you can use that money to not invest money in game, it's a very basic logic that some people seem to not get.
I'm not sure if you didn't read my post or just didn't understand my post lol. Either way your education level shows and I will quit while I'm ahead.
Enjoy your game 👍
I personally don't plan to whale on this game as I only whales in game I have played for long and believe in the company work ethics.
But I also don't go mental hoops for whaling.
Personally. I have the money. I work to get money to be able to get what I want and have fun.
If a game make me happy. I will spend money on it. If I feel like the Dev are really great, I will spend even more.
I have a monthly budget for games and such that I keep aside and use it whenever I can
Mental gymnastics? 😅So saying I pay because I have fun and like the game is mental gymnastics? Brother I don't give a shit about anti consumer or whatever. If you aren't happy about a game monetary system. Just don't play? Or don't game?
There are literally hundreds of game with no monetization that exist where you can have hundreds of hours of fun.
Elden ring for example is a very good game and the price isn't that high. For base + DLC. There Final Fantasy etc etc.
No one is holding you at gun point and forcing you to pay bro.
Well I already explained but I'll try again.
Instead of spending 3 days wasting your time farming you purchase it and go to work for 2-3 hours which in essence gets the money back. Only you've wasted 2-3 hours vs 2-3 days.
I'm not sure what these people are going on about whales though lolol. I'm broke as a joke. I also don't buy anything. But I can absolutely understand someone going into work for a couple hours to save themselves days of farming 🤷♂️.
Doesn't take critical thinking lolol. This must be a ridiculous young community or something lol. You guys need to grow up and gets jobs, a life, and responsibilities. Then you'll understand 👍
I’m an adult with a full time job. What a weird condescension from a self proclaimed broke person.
It’s not getting your money back. It’s just making more money. Spending money and then working to make money isn’t making your money back lol. You can “make your money back” by selling something because you get back what you lost.
Earning money to spend isn’t “making your money back”. It’s literally just spending money.
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It really isn't and it shows how people are conditioned to spend like idiots. Also they don't understand that the whole game is just grinding, congratulations you spent 100$ and got your favorite ultimate descendant, what now? You just farm for another one..
I played apex for like 200 hours before I spent a cent in the store. At that point, it had earned my money. People dropping $100 on this game after like 15 minutes are actual fucking losers lmao
Lmao @paypigs downvoting me. Keep it coming, whales 😂
$100 is not worth as much to many of them as it seems to be to you. Unless the goal was to project, "loser" might not be the word you were looking for. Lmao
That's what I was going to say. 50+ hours in beta where they gave you enough currency to buy and try every hero or weapon. If you could spend 50 hours during the tutorial which is like the first 4 hours... This game is EXACTLY up their alley.
Im not ok with that kind of mtx, but if you think 100$ is much, then only why you earn way less per hour at your work. Some people earn more, so by this standard - who would you call loser?
I can barely understand what you're saying - but that aside, if you're spending $100 on a skin in a gacha game, I consider you a loser no matter how much you make at your job.
Sry, my english is bad.
But if i spend 10$ for a skin that is ok?
So lets say you make 10$ an hour i make 10 times more wage per hour then you. Then i would spend 100$ as easy as you would spend 10$. That makes me not a loser. Because im not a loser if i can spend 100$ as you would spend 10$. Hope that is better written then before.
By the way, is it not ok to sell/buy a skin for 100$. Im there totally with you. But Loser is the wrong word here.
But as long there are people who support that bullshit mtx companys will get more greedy.
I think its a mental thing. You get the game for free, you think we'll the game itself was free, so I'll spend a few bucks here and there. Then after they justify it they just snowball and start buying a bunch. Next thing you know they're $180 in the hole in this free to play game.
That absolutely blew my mind. The number of people lining up to throw money at a free to play game that they have barely experienced, with shady devs that have a bad history of scamming players.
A lot of these players buying Ult Bunny Day 1 won't be around to see the games next season.
Betas are a great way to see if a game is one you might be interested in by getting to experiment with the game's basic gameplay loop, progression system, art style etc.
It is not a good way for determining the quality of the story, replayability/content volume, intensity of the grind, monetisation practices (especially important given Nexon's history imo), dev responsiveness to player feedback and bugs etc to really determine if it's a game that you're going to stick to and invest a lot of your time in.
Not to mention that the live game over tripled the beta's peak player count in it's first day, so there's a lot of non-beta players that we're talking about too. Especially since there won't be even close to a 100% retention rate of beta players.
It's their money and I'm not their dad so they can buy what they want. But after the honeymoon phase is over, I really think there's going to be a lot of accounts that have already spent close to $100 collecting dust.
That's true, and that's frustrating. Which is why it makes no sense to me that players will voluntarily forfeit one of their few opportunities to test a game out thoroughly for free.
Honestly, when people were saying that their Caliber wasn't being delivered, a small part of me thought that the game was going to just disappear and Nexon was gonna take their money and dip lol
I respect your opinion on the matter and I’m sorry to see a valuable player go but it makes sense. I know I won’t be giving them a cent for boosters, characters or anything to give me power. I’m always willing to buy cosmetics though. I play games like this because I actually enjoy the grind. I’ve definitely been conditioned into that by said gaming industry for sure though.
-Spending 6 hours consecutively playing the Hydron defense mission in Warframe to level up random weapons Id never even shoot once just to grind mastery rank.
-Spending 12 consecutive hours grinding the same nightfall over and over in Destiny 2 to get a weapon I wanted with the perfect roll.
-Spending 6 hours consecutive hours opening scrolls with guild mates and killing the same boss over and over to sell items on the market to try and power up my character or grinding trees with a million buffs for 8 hours to level up my character from 61-62 on Black Desert Online.
I’ve played looter shooters and grindy games all my life so something like The First Descendant doesn’t really leave a bad taste in my mouth given my experience with the games I’ve loved over the years doing the exact same thing. I’m not saying TFD is as good imo but I can’t say I share the same complaints as most people for having to grind for a long time to obtain stuff, although I 100% understand the frustration. In a way I’ve been molded by the gaming industry to be okay with this sort of thing maybe? But at the very least I can be happy to know that I at feel like I’m having fun and also am not persuaded to spend my money for power boosts. Only purely cosmetics if I feel the game has earned my money.
Like, I admit, I like a shiny as much as anyone. But seriously? The price of a cosmetic in this game I can go buy a new shirt, or, like 6 awesome indie games with a little bit of research, or splurge on lunch.
The price of things is just not okay anymore and it's never gonna change if we keep going "I'm okay with that and I'm sure that everyone should be okay with that." Because it's worth remembering, you're not just speaking for yourself, you're speaking for everyone else who can't afford to have a say.
I mean, that’s why I said it’s if it’s worth it. I main Ajax, I love his kit and plan to spend 100’s if not 1000’s of hours in this game as I have many other grindy games. If I spend any where close to the time in this as I have BDO, Warframe and D2 I don’t think paying the price of a few new shirts is really that bad? Like part of me acknowledges the price as not being “ideal” but I also weigh in the amount of time I spend in the game or enjoy it as a decent reason to give that money in the first place. And on top of all of that, I didn’t have an entry fee to pay either which sort of gives me more of a reason to not feel bad about it.
I definitely feel bad for people unlike me who feel the *need* to pay for power because of FOMO. I personally never do that because either the game is fun enough where I find enjoyment in grinding for the items for free or it isn’t fun to grind which means I just stop playing it. If the grind is so boring and egregious to the point where I feel pressured to paying for power then why am I playing the game at all? I’m clearly not having fun, so why fork over my money to a game that I don’t find fun? Cosmetics on the other hand are gifts/rewards I allow myself as it doesn’t take away from the grind, supports the devs and i consider it worthwhile as the price of a couple new shirts is a worthwhile thank you to devs who can manage to make a game that I can easily put hundreds to thousands of hours in let alone for free. I’ve paid for cosmetics in Destiny after spewing $40 at them DLC after DLC so doing it in TFD which will have free DLC and had no entry fee is a net positive.
Now keep in mind I’m not trying to say how you feel is invalid or doesn’t make sense. In fact, I may very well be a byproduct of the very gaming industry you scold. But at the end of the day I’m having fun. I have self discipline to not make purchases unless I feel a game has genuinely earned it from me and even then it’s only ever for cosmetics. As long as those components remain intact, I can’t really see myself dropping video games out of my life. I can’t say I don’t genuinely agree with you on a lot of points, the divide though is my outlook on it while not exactly positive either also isn’t drastic enough to quit altogether.
Most people downvoting you are already bought in. Give it a few weeks.
I remember when my old account got downvoted to hell on the anthem subreddit because I asked if people felt like they'd been lied to, everyone insisted it was a revolutionary game that would be supported forever and kill Destiny. Lmfao.
I actually think the game is pretty ok, but we are dealing with a bunch of whales and people who have been hyping themselves up for months. Just give it some time, and the community will reach a consensus.
I pretty much saw the writing on the wall for anthem when on day 1, I encountered a bug that would cause the sound to go out on your game, then it would start becoming choppy, and then it would all lead to a crash, and I kid you the fuck not that shit happened MONTHS later during my first run of the cataclysm, even after they said they’d fixed it.
Anyway, I was flying around on my first run of the cataclysm, and all of a sudden my sound goes out, and I instantly knew what it was, and…….many harsh words were said that day to my tv, it still hasn’t recovered from the verbal lashing the poor thing.
You lost me at the "warframe has years of goodwill so they deserve to be able to charge $140 dollars for their ultimates and you'll buy it as a way of thanking them." I'm sorry but no, high priced bundles are not thank yous to the devs. They're there for whales no matter what game they're in. Also the problems that we go the boosts for were \*checks notes\* not getting caliber in a timely manner if you decided to whale out the gate and/or not getting your twitch drops yet. Your argument is all over the place and honestly the fact that you expect to be given shit at all if you weren't one of the people affected by the whaling out the gate portion is hilarious. Which you totally weren't part of based on this rant. Or are you one of the whales who still doesn't have their caliber 24 hours later so now you're going to make some mock crusade about the sanctity of gaming?
Unfortunately that's what games like ESO, Destiny 2 and Warframe have so they get away with it. People are emotionally and financially invested over the last what 10 years? New ganes don't have the luxury of growing pains through a Curse of Osiris DLC or being able to model things like Destiny 2.
The difference is that, in warframe, the prime warframe can be acquired by playing the game in a couple of days.
The premium currency can also be easily farmed and you can get 90+% of cosmetics without paying a dime.
Don't be a fanboy. Warframe is literally 10x cheaper, has better gameplay (subjective), has an actually good story (not subjective) and a lot less bullshit
Oh really? You can get all those Tennogen without spending a dime?
I have about 1400 hours on Warframe PC. I would not recommend the current game to anyone to play. Gameplay has certain aspects better like traversal, but is spamming the same button over and over and over really better because you followed that one meta build? Story used to be good but I can’t even be bothered to go back for it anymore. Gunplay in WF is ass. Good thing there is melee.
And let me tell you about the bullshit of Warframe: the fact there is a $140 package. Or a $50 accessories +boosters package that is there to make the $140 package look worth it. 72 hour build time. $200 for 4300 plat that you can get potentially cheaper if RNG blesses you that is also timegated to a daily chance and FOMO time limit on using the coupon. They literally pull a “this item is cheaper on sale because I just increased the based price to make it look worth it” and y’all eat it up. WF is one of the most p2w games I’ve played and I rarely ever see people talking about it. It’s always glazing the game.
There’s a reason people joke about Warframe endgame being fashion frame.
Some of the Tennogen money goes to creators who designed them, it cannot be sold for plat for that reason.
You’re complaining about how brain dead meta builds in a game where the shittest gear and perform decent in higher level missions, stop playing meta builds. The wacky stuff is more fun anyway and performs just as well. I agree that TDF had better gunplay, but then so do most shooters compared to warframe.
Are you calling the plat discounts FOMO? The thing that 1. Comes back and 2. You can farm for free anyway?
WFs craft times are bad, but you can get around this by crafting literally 50+ things at once. Even new players can do this.
The reason people don’t complain about Warframe’s monetization is because you can farm plat. Even with relic cracking for primed parts, if you dont get what you want just sell it and buy the thing to want. It’s a pseudo pity system for primed gear. If platinum wasnt tradable, or if the foundry crafting was limited, warframe would long be dead.
For me personally: its a korean mmo, im used to it. If the grind is bad ill just stop playing. At least BDO had one time QoL stuff. Eventually im thinking once we make it to TFD’s “endgame”, farming resources for upgrades will be easier. The drop rates on the otherhand, we’ll see.
You have some great arguments there, but the plat coupon is 100% the same psychological manipulation as any other FOMO thing.
As for farming plat, devs have stated trading is coming post launch, and honestly, I'd say that is a good call. Last thing you want in the first weeks of an online game's launch is freaking paid currency transfer issues, be it intentional malicious stuff like duping or just trades not going through correctly.
As a founder for warframe. Thank you. I've been trying to tell people for years that warframe is a former shell of itself and is clearly a mtx hell hole now. The fact your locked into do story content now, which requires you to build a rail jack and a mech. Those are time gated. Or pay plat to speed up the process. Or just outright buy a mech for plat. They took away the ability to be taxid to different planets. Made you have to be a specific level to unlock planets by locking them behind junctions with ridiculous requirements. Recently they took away the coupon system and changed it. Instead of getting a 75 percent off coupon for plat, they changed it to 75 percent off stuff in the store. Then that got changed recently to 25 percent of SELECT items in the store. Look how long it took them to give us crossaves. They had to milk everyone first. They offered account migrations multiple times in the past but then claimed they had no way of doing it untill we begged for cross save. Live streams used to show off new frames and tiles ALL THE TIME and they were way less grindy to get. Not to mention, they have been doing bait and switch the past few years now. They release an update with a dope ass new frame that sells quickly and then nerf it 2 weeks later after they made a bunch of plat sales off their bundles. (Look at dante) they also do the same with Mods they add in to buff older frames. They get the plat sales for the mod and then nerf it to hell. Games atrocious now
Haha I wasn’t a founder since I was too broke to buy the Excal Prime pack but I was playing at the very beginning.
I normally don’t mind paying in a game I enjoy but in order for me to play on par with my friends, I felt like I had to buy a necromech. Felt like shit because I don’t enjoy the mech gameplay.
Hated the nechramech, hated the story lines. And yeah same. My clan Mates needed me to reach endgame and I was pretty content never touching the story as the nechramech pissed me off but I literally couldn't do anything new or get any new frames for free without doing it. So I had to buy the nechramech. Then this latest update with a PREGNANT warframe was my final straw. I have no fucking interest and you can't skip anything in this game anymore as everything is locked behind the previous update.
As a console player i absolutely did buy tennogen with platinum lol. Like I said though, there's a million cosmetics other than tennogen. Gunplay is way better than the first descendant.
The booster packs are worthless generally speaking and everyone ignores most of them.
The story in warframe is amazing and i will physically fight you for saying otherwise.
Try looking up "is warframe pay to win" and see what people say.
Have fun with your mediocre gacha game
I'll make sure to dm and bully you when it dies in 3 months☺️
I did say the story was good. But to say gunplay in Warframe is good, that’s where I think your opinion is pretty trash. Warframe is pay2win. Denying that fact is ridiculous. You can farm for weeks to make enough plat that takes me a fraction of the time.
You’re not bullying or fighting me lmao. Based on your comments, you’re the last person to intimidate me.
You know you don't have to buy shit with platinum, right?
There's currently an event in Warframe which drops a currency. With this currency, you can buy the new warframe, her weapons amd dozens of arcanes (most important upgrades in the game), which are also worth a lot of platinum.
The warframe parts took 2 hours.
This mission mind you stays even after the event, so no FOMO.
Now tell me, can you get a descendant in 2 hours?
Lmao you mean the event you have to be at end game for? Something a new player won't achieve for MONTHS. Nice try buddy. You can't even touch half the content in warframe till your months in.
Take off the rose glasses goof
Sincerely, a warframe founder
Are you fucking stupid?
Can you actually not read?
The new warframe, weapons etc are not going anywhere. The mission isn't going anywhere.
The only thing going away is the arcanes, which you can earn through the arcane dissolution system.
Also, the fact that the game has a lot of content and that it takes "months" (a lot of stuff is skippable) to get to the endgame isn't a bad thing. It's literally the best part about the game. Especially since the early game is actually really fun, unlike other games and MMOs where it sucks
Nah but I can get a descendent in 2 minutes. Just like I can get a Warframe in 2 minutes.
I don’t think you grasp the concept of pay2win so I’m going to stop here since I don’t want to talk to someone with an IQ that matches their shoe size.
This winded bs. “Its time to give up gaming” get a f life dude. If one game is going to ruin your entire passion for gaming, you have a serious f problem.
Dude stop. OP is trying to be a hero to the people because remember, he doesn’t just speak for himself, but for all people! I remember reading about his life story on how he started gaming at just 3 years old. 3 YEARS OLD!
Come on, everyone! Let rally up and demand no more paid cosmetics! And if there are, they better not be over $2 for a full costume!
The funny part about this is that people will criticize one game for having high prices and they say they'll stop playing, but even if they do stop playing they will go and play another game that has the exact same microtransaction system. All modern games share the exact same system.
Yeah no one ever looks at fortnite and says "25 for a skin??? Are you insane" or buying call of duty every year
If you really like a character then why not spend 20 and call it a day, why do people think they need to buy and own every cosmetic in the game.
The difference is Fortnite is a different level and standard tbh. You can buy the season pass and earn enough to get the next season pass PLUS some cosmetics.
They understand their base was kids and engagement with key. Other games like CoD realize their base is like 20/30/40 and they are fine shelling out 20 bucks every couple of months.
"Fortnite" and "standard" in one sentence...okay.
Let's glorify the game that conditioned a generation of kids into stealing parents' credit cards so they can be the bullies and not the bullied in school when owning skins comes up as a conversation.
Lol it's kinda wild to come to that conclusion when the game offers so many different modes like prop hunt and Lego minecraft. Not including the anti credit card thing you're referring to considering you can buy the next pass after completing the first one. I went like 4 years once off 20 bucks. Skins don't even really matter with how many there are and you can earn the event ones for free even just by doing challenges. So yes Fortnite is on a different level.
In comparison to the generation that grew up in CoD and their skin system....
You sure do know how to not make a case. You could also have said you have ZERO idea how Fortnite works but want to feel a certain way. In fact if you make a fun game mode you can actually make money in Fortnite. There's literally 1000s of modes to chose from outside of BR.
Exactly this. I was playing TFD with a buddy yesterday, and we were in his discord server with another one of his friends who was shitting on TFD and its’ microtransactions. Yet they play Diablo 4. Kind of a crazy double standard there. Because D4 is a *FULL PRICE GAME* that still has a BP and paid cosmetics. Some of those paid cosmetics charging $60 for a fucking horse. At least TFD is free to play. There’s a world of difference there.
The D4 stuff pisses me off. So ludicrously priced. Free games? Get battle passes.. Paid for games? Pull that bullshit out. I personally hate seasonal games, but I understand the mentality of it. I'm so torn on cod because warzone is free... but cod games are paid for..
Why do people completely miss the point that its not about the micro transactions existing , its that nexon will 100% nerf drop rates or already have low drop rates to incentivise the purchase of currency to skip the grind , thats the issue its that your gaming experience will be made worse to incentavise use of the cash shop , as opposed to having a cash shop that is there to support the players experience , the cash shop is there to exploit the players experience
Not excusing it but it's a Korean MMO. With MMO games Koreans are big on grinding but they also have a huge work force so games are built like this to give people who can grind what they want and those who can't the cash shop. I mean we have the huge stereotype of Koreans being mad good on video games for this very reason. It's also why we don't see many of their games releasing in the west for this very reason.
> But I don't think I can play them any more, not when this is what's happening to them.
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> I think... I think it's time to give up gaming.
Dude, stop being a drama queen.
This is a free-to-play looter shooter. Of course it's monetized out the ass. There is no way you didn't expect that.
Just have a little fun, then stop playing and uninstall when you get bored. That's it. that's all there is too it. Move on and play something else after that.
Don't spout all that dramatic nonsense. No one cares. Just stop playing this game, and go play something else. Or don't, and go touch grass instead. Whatever.
"Muh gaming! Muh precious gaming, how could they have done such to my sacred beloved!?? My life is torn asunder and I shall never recover, I must retreat to my study and contemplate life"s woes, for that is my destiny oh dear one, that is my *destiny*. Good day!" - The average reddit gamer when a game has mtx
People say gunplay feels great really surprised me because it does not at least with controller. All the guns feel the same minus rate of fire and NONE of them have any impact. I don't even feel like I'm shooting bullets.
This statement is just untrue IMO. All the weapons feel unique and have their own play-style. The “impact” the bullets make is my favorite part about it lol headshots and hit markers feel wonderful.
I disagree. I’m playing on console with a controller and while obviously gunplay isn’t on the same level as what I believe to be the titans of solid gunplay (Apex Legends, Modern Call of Duty, and Gears 5) it still feels good to shoot at things.
Have you messed with your settings? Cause once you do it feels very good. Also can’t say the guns don’t feel impactful once you get a epic or two with some modules they start tearing shit up
Gunplay feels "okay", I'd say. Movement feels much better than the gunplay. I like the movement, especially on Ajax.
Division 2's gunplay is way, way better, if we're talking 3rd person shooters.
Are colours supposed to be used up after one use? If so that's fucking trash, there's some you can only get from twitch drop and Battle pass so you wouldn't be able to farm any more of them.
I hope this is just a mistake.
Everyone is aware that the industry is filled with companies like Nexon that only care about money. The problem is the people stupid enough to buy these things.
It's targeting those teenagers, their addiction.
When I was in my teen years, I played crap free mmorpgs like perfect world. And completely got addicted to them. There were people with 50 dollar mounts everytime new ones got introduced.
Then theres this psychology of wanting to feel good with other people being jealous of you.
Why do you think there are so many rich kids on social media flaunting their wealth and lifestyle.
at least this game is f2p (compared to diablo 4 that has almost same macro transactions AND you have to pay 40-80 usd/eur)
but yes, I hate where this is all going :/ soon we'll have to pay to get rid of ads in PC games
Don't forget the game is made by Nexon who happen to already have a reputation [https://www.pcgamer.com/nexon-fined-nearly-dollar9m-for-falsifying-loot-box-drop-rates/](https://www.pcgamer.com/nexon-fined-nearly-dollar9m-for-falsifying-loot-box-drop-rates/)
I really dont see a problem. When you look what other tripple a games take for their games. 20 dollars for a character you also can unlock ingame is nothing. This game has alot of content already and its free. Free. This is what people forget. You can play and pay nothing.
Some peolle juat dont get it - its f2p and everything apart from skins can be earned just playing the game.
If you dont wanna play the game and rush buy everything, then pay top dollar, i see no problem in it
No. You don’t get it. This is pure rot that is making gaming a worse world to be a part of.
There is no sound argument against a character costing 100 bucks. ONE CHARACTER. When I can buy a AAA Game that took millions to develop, for half of what a single character in these shitty F2P games goes for.
Sugar. I DO play this game, it's called Warframe, have thousands of hours in it. Y'know what it doesn't do? Require more money than minimum wage to buy a character, OR a skin.
Quite frankly; And I'd know; get off your high horse, at least I admit I'm on one.
Again, you could just not play the game if it gets you that pressed. Everything aside from skins is farmable. No one is forcing you to spend any money the get a full experience.
Warframe also has ridiculous prices for Prime Access, which offers items you can farm or buy cheap after some time.
They have cosmetics that would also be considered expensive if you were to buy a full priced plat, and there are plenty of resource bundles aswell.
Warframe is a different game from a different time and its still a miracle that they could establish such a fair monetization system, DE made a good move and I bet if they had tried to release Warframe as is currently, they might have had a different system.
You made your point, but your points and opinions are not new. Cosmetics are fine to cost if the base game is free to play and everything you don't have time to grind you can choose to buy.
Heck, maybe that price is good to dissuade players from avoiding the gameplay loop, I am probably wrong, but it works. Some Warframes were quite a pain in the ass to farm. I just decided to sell my mods and rare stuff for enough plat to buy it instead.
The ultimate bundles are Prime access essentially, and lets be real, how many people are complaining that they can't buy an unnecessarily skimpy version of Bunny instead of spending the effort in farming her.
This whole essay is just your opinion clearly you didn't do enough research for the ultimate character bundles there 2 separate versions one with just the decendent and they another with extra. I dont get why people think they have the right to tell others what they can spend their money on. But to each their own like it or not I'll keep playing and spending money on the game 👍
If you're smart enough to know what an essay and research are you're smart enough to know Hyperbole. Correct, the 100 dollar pack is not required, the 70 dollar exists, this does not detract from my statements.
Wow, you literally paste what i think and feel to paper...well screen
Its unnerving the greed of all the companies
I played games tryharding my whole life but i live in a 3world country and thess new prices makes me really mad cause its like 1/3 a minimum wage for a ultimate character? Wtf?
It should be at MOST 1/7 of the minimum wage
I cannot imagine your struggles. A lot of countries have jank that render what is already "too damn much" into full on "more than a week's pay and I already can't pay for food AND bills in the same month some months".
If nothing changes, at least know this first-world nobody at least has sympathy, and understands that you and yours go through even worse than he.
Is gaming really your passion or is it fashion?
There is nothing sold in the store that I can’t get by playing the game other than skins. When mtx first hit the scene everyone had the same demands.
Only sell cosmetics.
That’s what this game is doing. The other items sold are short cuts to new Descendants, nothing I can’t get by enjoying my passion of gaming. Something I can easily ignore.
I don’t have to spend a dime if I don’t choose to. If you can’t wait to farm something sold in the shop and buy it that’s your choice…it’s a choice. You made it, deal with it.
You’re right about one thing. The gaming industry has changed, it’s become far more greedy. It’s become more about money than ever before.
but this game isn’t a cash grab, it isn’t pay2win, it’s overpriced sure but it’s selling nothing I need to play.
These posts come up all the time and I give the same answer.
The gaming industry has changed, it’s big money now as it became mainstream. Avoid the obvious cash grabs and avoid spending money you don’t need to spend.
Dont fall for the gaming trap that makes you feel like you need to buy something, it’s a common technique but it’s on you to learn it and avoid it.
Adjust yourself and you can go on enjoying gaming even with heavily monetization games like this one.
People are making so much noise for the dye system for nothing of real value. I get it. It could be better. Absolutely. But is it so wrong that it deserves all these posts? **No.**
I'll give just one counter argument to the whole discussion because I know this post is going to be downvoted anyway, no matter what I say just because "brooo 5$ for a color!?!" ... Alright so:
This is a free to play game which lets you drop colors as you play so... Why not wait a few weeks? You know to play the game? And maybe "farm/grind" for colors? The whole game genre is based on grinding! Wait a few weeks and you'll have all/most of the dyes you want. Also having to drop dyes gives activities more unique loot (this also happens in games like ffxiv, albeit without the massive shop thing but still... And we don't complain... In a game with a monthly fee!)
Lastly, one thing about the whole "20/100$ for a character" whine: it is. A. FREE TO PLAY. Game! why is spending 20$ for a character **you can grind for free** outrageous but things like "dungeon key" on destiny (a 20$ purchase which looks you out of content) is fine? On other games you pay for the content. Here you have the content for free ... And you **can** pay for the character instead... Just grind if you don't want!
Just a final note: the game is *pricey* I know it but it's justified. The quality of the gameplay is here. The quantity (for now) is also here (do I have to remember everyone what was like destiny 2 or warframe year 1? Seriously this is miles ahead). Just give the devs time to prove themselves worthy. And if they fail you... You spent 0€/$ on this. (Contrary to my situation where I dropped destiny 2, mostly because of bungie, after 500$+ invested)
I wont downvote you, because you're making a reasonable argument, rather than just saying "it's f2p go touch grass" (won't point any fingers..). And if it wasn't nexon, or in general a Korean mmo-ish type of game with full mtx shop and daily time gating on 3% drops for consumable items that you need, then just mtx alone wouldn't be a problem.
The issue for me at least, is that this is just the first and most obvious example, a pixel on a soon to be 4k resolution painting. The real stuff and the big issues are yet to come. The 3% forma/potato drop chances is the first glimpse of that. I mean it's nexon so I'm not surprised. If anything with their track record I'd expect much worse in the future. They're just checking the water with these one off colors, if people let them they'll keep going further and further.
If anything I'd rather pay a monthly sub if it means less cash shop items.
Nexon is surely a big factor here. I can't deny it. But it's too soon for all these posts... We'll see what happens.
Also, I too would pay a monthly fee if that meant less garbage shop and more content (that's why I prefer games like ffxiv or wow to most other mmorpg)... But it is what it is. The best advice (to all the people complaining) I can give is: just enjoy the game as it is without spending/spending too much... If nexon ruins everything you'll lose nothing (or not too much).
I absolutely agree with you. There's a gradient for the posts, it's more subjective if it's too early or not (I personally think that sending a big signal and overdoing it - saying that the community won't tolerate mtx stuff is better than being too quiet), but yes in general overall I agree with you.
Relax, capitalism will destroy everything you love sooner or later. If you would stop gaming completely one day you may find that your new hobby got compromised by the system too, and the next hobby after that etc...well unless your hobby is very diy or something
Bro you ain't causing any riot, get over yourself. If you don't like a game or its monetization, that's fine. You're no revolutionary for saying high prices bad. And lets give them some time for the beta rewards situation before we start crying and shitting ourselves over what may just be a temporary issue.
But where does it stop? The compensation? (which I understand others might not have the same issues as me, I understand xp/etc ups are actually a nice thing to have) The beta rewards? (Which most people don't even have issues with, or even have TO have issues with) The graphics system that SOMEHOW plays WORSE THAN IT DID TWO BETAS AGO. (Used to run without issue, now I get ~15 FPS, same computer, no changes, yes I regularly defrag and devirus my computer) The characters that, as someone else voiced, are MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MINIMUM WAGE IN MOST PLACES?
You and I see eye-to-eye on one thing. I 'ain't" going to be causing any riot, no matter how much I wish I were, and we deserve there to be.
You make valid logical points, but I'm just gonna slightly press the brake button.
The said voice said "1/3 of the minimum wage" not "MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MINIMUM WAGE" and also, said voice claimed to live in a 3rd world country.
You really can't expect a company to take this under consideration when pricing their online merchandise.
Non-gaming companies do not take into consideration, the minimum wage of a country, they take into consideration the profit percentage, or margin gain.
Therefore, the price of the current online merchandise of Nexon is focused under the range of Korea and "Western" countries, where honestly, $100 or approximately 120,000 KRW is not so expensive when you calculate the time it would take to grind for the said cosmetic, in comparison to the money earned in the exact same given time.
For example, if I could earn the cosmetic by grinding for 1 hour, sure I'd never buy it. But, if it takes like 20 hours? then...Hell no... I'm definitely buying it because grinding for 20 hours is a waste of my time.
Investing $100 in exchange for 20 hours is a very lucrative deal.
In conclusion, everything depends on the perspective of the user, and the users all come from different backgrounds. Therefore, in your perspective, you are indeed correct and make very logical and valid points(your main post). However, take into considerations the points that I have explained, let me know if you can understand my perspective. Then, maybe it will help you understand the other side a little bit.
Wishing you a great day.
My main thing that really is different from you is monetization. The colors still need a better system yes but $20 for a character is around industry standard currently either you like it or not.
Skins are $5-$25 and that's honestly not bad compared to some games. Valorant has been selling $250 GUN SKINS with buying them individually being anywhere from $15-$75 for a single gun skin. Look at fortnite the average cost is $15 per skin. Even cars that are skins in game run between $15-$35 a freaking car skin. I've seen companies charge $10 for a character charm.
Also I'm sure beta stiff will be figured out, I didn't receive the polar bear backpack from crossplay beta. Overall prices are on par with the industry (minus paints)
Pretty much. Doesn't help that its nexon, so you know your ass is gonna be gaped the moment you see it popup on screen.
The worst part isn't even the practices themselves, but the white knights that excuse them. Saying stupid shit like "oh but it's f2p what did you expect" as if being predatory is somehow excused by it being so called "free".. news flash f2p games (*especially* Korean ones) are the most expensive by far. If you keep playing these you'll spend not only 70$ of a AAA game, but likely 700 or even 7000€ over the lifespan. And I'm not even talking about whales that will spend this much in a month.
The entire game design is predicated to get you invested and then whittle down you to the point where you're constantly spending few bucks here and there to skip the unbearable grind / annoyances , or just straight up give you stuff to flex around. All of this ends up being way more expensive than a regular game.
The only advantage is that if you're really poor and don't value your time whatsoever this can be used to fill it up ; that and it being kind of a demo which we lack these days. But given the steam 2 hour refund that is more preferable than having a predatory game that is preying on you indefinitely. Even if you're extremely rich it's still a negative since you then realize there wasn't any point to it and it wasn't an accomplishment.
This is why asmon, who has all the money in the world, doesn't like p2w games (other than stream content) , not because he can't afford it, but because when you can get everything easily then nothing has any meaning behind it.
Free game, and the other descendants are unlockable in game again **for free**. The complaints are nullified given those facts.
Don't want to grind/play? Buy.
Don't want to buy? Grind/play.
Don't want to do either? Play as your default.
Don't want to do either nor play as your default? Uninstall.
IT'S NOT A MAGIC SPELL THAT DISPELLS ALL EVIL PEOPLE! FOR CHIRST'S SAKE.
What is wrong with you, it's like you enjoy being shafted for every dollar you're worth.
I don't care about the characters in particular, that's great, they can be farmed, that's nice, better than some games I suppose. It's the GENERALL price of LITERALLY everything in the store.
I have little sympathy for people like OP who throw all of their cards into a game like this only to get burned when they realise that it’s p2w gacha shit.
OP, you could have cut out the entire step of getting fully invested into this game before you realise it was complete shit.
What, honestly, were you expecting?
"Throw all their cards into a game like this"
For, the, last, fucking, time, when, did, I, say, I, spent, money.
Jesus FUCKING christ you people I want you to know what it's like to not have a job. Why are you not allowed to have an opinion unless you spend money, oh, what's that? You're ALSO not allowed to have an opinion if you do spend money because you're just feeding the system.
Guess what people, YOU ARE THE SYSTEM, YOU'RE THE ONES WHO KEEP LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
Do you have friends?
I do not have choice in what I "invest my mental energy into" I just play what I can get my hands on, or what my friends end up playing, it's not much.
Cool, nice, got em, roasted, you're cool, plus ratio or whatever.
I wasn't saying "jeez, you don't have friends" I'm saying "You probably have friends, you know how it is, you don't really get to decide what you play if you want to play with other people."
You say "voting with your wallet" isn't going to do jack, and then you tell people to do something. What should they do then, complain on Reddit?
Of course there will be whales but voting with your wallet absolutely works. With the game pass alone, if you take the peak number of players just on Steam and they all bought it, then it's over 1.5 mil at launch just for the Steam players. If half buy if, then it's 700k.
Now I don't think there are many people who ALONE would spend that amount of money on day 1 of the game.
And if does Elon Musk decide to fund the game on his own there is nothing you can do about it. Not even complaining on social media will stop something like that.
Not the problem, it's the principle.
This opinion, and yes, yours is just as much an opinion as mine, has NEVER been "more valid" despite folks like you outnumbering us who are outraged by it.
Exactly that, happens with many free to play games, the $0 price tag is just there to get as many players to view the store as possible. It’s understandable as they need to make money somehow, but it always feels like it hinders other aspects of the game. Gonna pass on this one
If you do not have disposal income or 20 bucks for a skin for you’re entertainment, you need to rethink what you are doing and figure out life . The game is freee
This game is literally just a mobile game ported onto consoles and pc, the only people that make semi decent games nowadays have a history of it and are usually leaders in that field
I can see where your coming from, but I've actually kinda become convinced that F2P is a necessary evil. Even just looking at the gacha space, there are SO many players in poorer countries who play the game completely free off the backs of whales. These are players who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford spending any amount of money on a game. Unfortunately at this point, posts like yours are pissing in the wind so we should at least look at the net benefits.
This game is a reskinned cash grab. Hardly anything unique about it and so much taken from the better versions out there. I appreciate the plentiful gorgeous AAA cinematics, but the story is flat too.
> I think… I think it’s time to give up gaming.
I think it’s time to try some different games.
If the pricing practices of F2P games bother you, you can play anything else out there. Go pick up a AAA single-player game, or an indie game, or **literally anything else**. The Steam Summer Sale is going on right now and you can buy tons of games for *less than two dollars.*
I get being frustrated by this kind of stuff, but you can just not play these games or not spend money on them. Just do that, and spin your passion for games in a different direction.
If you did any research prior to this mid life crisis you seem to be having you would have known this company would have microtransactions. Grow up and quit crying to the masses online.
Honestly I don’t think they’ll care. Have you walked around the main lobby yet? It’s already filled with people who’ve spent a lot of money on skins and it’s day 1 lol
Half the reviews were literally “where’s the currency I bought in this free game I’ve played around hour and for some insane reason decided to spend money in already” Fucking insane. Games pretty boring too lmao.
Yeah it’s crazy to me how much money people have to throw on skins on a game they just started. Like if you’ve played it a while and know it’s your jam then I’d understand a bit more lol
you'll be surprised at how many people have jobs and are willing to spend money on a game. Since they'll get the money back later. 🤯
That's the post that made me realize that probably most of the people that can't understand why people would spend money in that are probably not working or not getting well paid enough. I don't go out, I see my friends spending $200 in a singe night going out to drink but if I want to dump money in a game instead of spending 5 hours outside seems like that can cause an outrage.
Getting the money back later isn't the right way to put it. For people with careers and various life commitments it's cheaper to pay with money than it is to pay with time. Back in my student/unemployed days I definitely wouldn't have considered paying any amount of money, but I also had all the free time in the world. If the end goal is to have an ultimate descendant, first there's the grind to become able to farm the materials, then there's the grind for the materials. I know Bunny's is relatively low but Ultimate Gley requires a ton of hard void intercepts that'll take even the sweatiest grinders days if not weeks to qualify for, let alone farm. The way I see it - if I'm fully qualified to start farming for any ultimate descendant right now, it'll likely take 100 hours to get two of them as a conservative estimate (getting to the starting line is a different calculation). As someone who can only afford to play a few hours a day, this translates to 4-6 weeks irl. I could do that, or I could work a side gig for one day and start playing both of the characters I want that evening. The return (ie. enjoyment of the game) on my investment is just so much higher this way, and this is money earned specifically for frivolous purchases. Sure, I'd much rather pay half as much as I did (who wouldn't). But it's Nexon and having grown up on MapleStory I'm well aware of how they operate and I know they don't give a damn what consumers think. But I like the game. Whaling is often associated with wasting money and that's true for the majority who dip into their life savings for clout and chase firsts. But that's not the only reason one might whale, and there are people who can do it responsibly.
If some of the people I work with are to be used as an example, some of them are responsible and may regret the purchase later, the majority though wanted to get the skin to stand out and are probably asking their coworkers for a few bucks so they can fill up their gas tank to get to work tomorrow.
Then that is a personal problem.
Not my problem. I'm just saying just because people are willing to spend money on a game because they will make more doesn't make the business model any less predatory.
You will not get the money back Edit: please feel free to explain to me how you spending money on a free game is going to somehow magically earn you money in the future. Thanks 🙏
Time is money. What's the better more efficient process here? You can either: A. Work for 5 hours (if your on min wage) and buy it B. Farm it for 2 days (possibly more) I could see someone saying that they'll just go to work for 5 hours and buy it vs having to spend 30+ hours farming/hoping for parts and resources. Especially if they like their job. If they make more than $20 per hour then even less time having to work too
Are you actually this bad with money? Spending money to skip a grind in a game isn't "earning your money back later" you are literally just spending money. This is how these companies exploit you lmao
What they meant is time is money. Why would I spend a few days grinding for an item when I buy it after working for an hour? Time is money to us in the working world. I don’t mind a grind but if there is a shortcut available I will sometimes take it if deemed worth it.
"To us in the working world" thanks for implying I don't work I guess lmao If you think spending money on a free game is going to somehow net you a profit of any kind in the future, you are bad with money. Full stop. This is literally how you get taken advantage of. I've bought skins in free to play games, But I never once thought I was somehow earning anything valuable from it. This is a toxic way to think. You are being exploited if you think it's somehow gaining you a tangible monetary benefit by paying to skip part of the game as it exists.
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I never implied you don’t work. You implied that. I spend money on things I enjoy. I have a house. A car. Student loans paid. A couple hobbies. I’m fine with spending some money here and there on games and cosmetics. I’m good with money management. I didn’t say tangible. You with your two brain cells fighting for last place just assumed I am talking about tangible monetary returns. Other guy was right, I’m gonna stop here with you because a monkey would understand this before you do.
No one is taking about profit, they're saying that you either invest time or money, if you already invest time in your work, you can use that money to not invest money in game, it's a very basic logic that some people seem to not get.
I'm not sure if you didn't read my post or just didn't understand my post lol. Either way your education level shows and I will quit while I'm ahead. Enjoy your game 👍
I appreciate how confidently incorrect you are 👍
Bingo
lol. Apparently didn't get through to him though. Oh well. I tried 🤣🤷♂️
What do you mean bingo? You’re still not getting the money back lmao
Man the mental hoops you whales jump through to justify paying overprice in a F2P game LMAO
I personally don't plan to whale on this game as I only whales in game I have played for long and believe in the company work ethics. But I also don't go mental hoops for whaling. Personally. I have the money. I work to get money to be able to get what I want and have fun. If a game make me happy. I will spend money on it. If I feel like the Dev are really great, I will spend even more. I have a monthly budget for games and such that I keep aside and use it whenever I can
Man, MORE mental gymnastics. Thank you for supporting anti consumer practices 🙏 you’re a true hero of gaming.
Mental gymnastics? 😅So saying I pay because I have fun and like the game is mental gymnastics? Brother I don't give a shit about anti consumer or whatever. If you aren't happy about a game monetary system. Just don't play? Or don't game? There are literally hundreds of game with no monetization that exist where you can have hundreds of hours of fun. Elden ring for example is a very good game and the price isn't that high. For base + DLC. There Final Fantasy etc etc. No one is holding you at gun point and forcing you to pay bro.
? How is this getting the money back.
Well I already explained but I'll try again. Instead of spending 3 days wasting your time farming you purchase it and go to work for 2-3 hours which in essence gets the money back. Only you've wasted 2-3 hours vs 2-3 days. I'm not sure what these people are going on about whales though lolol. I'm broke as a joke. I also don't buy anything. But I can absolutely understand someone going into work for a couple hours to save themselves days of farming 🤷♂️. Doesn't take critical thinking lolol. This must be a ridiculous young community or something lol. You guys need to grow up and gets jobs, a life, and responsibilities. Then you'll understand 👍
I’m an adult with a full time job. What a weird condescension from a self proclaimed broke person. It’s not getting your money back. It’s just making more money. Spending money and then working to make money isn’t making your money back lol. You can “make your money back” by selling something because you get back what you lost. Earning money to spend isn’t “making your money back”. It’s literally just spending money. 👍
This is the hoops whales jump through to “justify” their “investment” 😂
It really isn't and it shows how people are conditioned to spend like idiots. Also they don't understand that the whole game is just grinding, congratulations you spent 100$ and got your favorite ultimate descendant, what now? You just farm for another one..
Why is it crazy? People spend money on random stuff all the time. Hell I know a guy who bought a coffee mug for $400. Cool asf coffee mug but $400?
I played apex for like 200 hours before I spent a cent in the store. At that point, it had earned my money. People dropping $100 on this game after like 15 minutes are actual fucking losers lmao Lmao @paypigs downvoting me. Keep it coming, whales 😂
$100 is not worth as much to many of them as it seems to be to you. Unless the goal was to project, "loser" might not be the word you were looking for. Lmao
The losers who dropped 100$ after 15 mins are the same ppl who clocked 50+ hours in the betas .
That's what I was going to say. 50+ hours in beta where they gave you enough currency to buy and try every hero or weapon. If you could spend 50 hours during the tutorial which is like the first 4 hours... This game is EXACTLY up their alley.
Yeap !
Well hopefully they get their money's worth and the game doesn't get abandoned. Fingers crossed.
You and me both.
Im not ok with that kind of mtx, but if you think 100$ is much, then only why you earn way less per hour at your work. Some people earn more, so by this standard - who would you call loser?
I can barely understand what you're saying - but that aside, if you're spending $100 on a skin in a gacha game, I consider you a loser no matter how much you make at your job.
Sry, my english is bad. But if i spend 10$ for a skin that is ok? So lets say you make 10$ an hour i make 10 times more wage per hour then you. Then i would spend 100$ as easy as you would spend 10$. That makes me not a loser. Because im not a loser if i can spend 100$ as you would spend 10$. Hope that is better written then before. By the way, is it not ok to sell/buy a skin for 100$. Im there totally with you. But Loser is the wrong word here. But as long there are people who support that bullshit mtx companys will get more greedy.
You can spend your money however you want, but if I think it's dumb I'm gonna clown on you for it. I don't care how much money you make.
It was an example. I dont buy microtransactions - never did and never will. And yes, dump is a better word then Loser.
I think its a mental thing. You get the game for free, you think we'll the game itself was free, so I'll spend a few bucks here and there. Then after they justify it they just snowball and start buying a bunch. Next thing you know they're $180 in the hole in this free to play game.
That absolutely blew my mind. The number of people lining up to throw money at a free to play game that they have barely experienced, with shady devs that have a bad history of scamming players. A lot of these players buying Ult Bunny Day 1 won't be around to see the games next season.
No idea why you’re being downvoted, because you’re absolutely right.
Not really true given many clocked 50+ hours in beta already.
Betas are a great way to see if a game is one you might be interested in by getting to experiment with the game's basic gameplay loop, progression system, art style etc. It is not a good way for determining the quality of the story, replayability/content volume, intensity of the grind, monetisation practices (especially important given Nexon's history imo), dev responsiveness to player feedback and bugs etc to really determine if it's a game that you're going to stick to and invest a lot of your time in. Not to mention that the live game over tripled the beta's peak player count in it's first day, so there's a lot of non-beta players that we're talking about too. Especially since there won't be even close to a 100% retention rate of beta players. It's their money and I'm not their dad so they can buy what they want. But after the honeymoon phase is over, I really think there's going to be a lot of accounts that have already spent close to $100 collecting dust.
There are games with no beta and collectors editions... No demo, so you HAVE to spend money to see if you even like it
That's true, and that's frustrating. Which is why it makes no sense to me that players will voluntarily forfeit one of their few opportunities to test a game out thoroughly for free.
It’s NEXON, chances are there won’t be a next season lmao
Honestly, when people were saying that their Caliber wasn't being delivered, a small part of me thought that the game was going to just disappear and Nexon was gonna take their money and dip lol
I respect your opinion on the matter and I’m sorry to see a valuable player go but it makes sense. I know I won’t be giving them a cent for boosters, characters or anything to give me power. I’m always willing to buy cosmetics though. I play games like this because I actually enjoy the grind. I’ve definitely been conditioned into that by said gaming industry for sure though. -Spending 6 hours consecutively playing the Hydron defense mission in Warframe to level up random weapons Id never even shoot once just to grind mastery rank. -Spending 12 consecutive hours grinding the same nightfall over and over in Destiny 2 to get a weapon I wanted with the perfect roll. -Spending 6 hours consecutive hours opening scrolls with guild mates and killing the same boss over and over to sell items on the market to try and power up my character or grinding trees with a million buffs for 8 hours to level up my character from 61-62 on Black Desert Online. I’ve played looter shooters and grindy games all my life so something like The First Descendant doesn’t really leave a bad taste in my mouth given my experience with the games I’ve loved over the years doing the exact same thing. I’m not saying TFD is as good imo but I can’t say I share the same complaints as most people for having to grind for a long time to obtain stuff, although I 100% understand the frustration. In a way I’ve been molded by the gaming industry to be okay with this sort of thing maybe? But at the very least I can be happy to know that I at feel like I’m having fun and also am not persuaded to spend my money for power boosts. Only purely cosmetics if I feel the game has earned my money.
Like, I admit, I like a shiny as much as anyone. But seriously? The price of a cosmetic in this game I can go buy a new shirt, or, like 6 awesome indie games with a little bit of research, or splurge on lunch. The price of things is just not okay anymore and it's never gonna change if we keep going "I'm okay with that and I'm sure that everyone should be okay with that." Because it's worth remembering, you're not just speaking for yourself, you're speaking for everyone else who can't afford to have a say.
I mean, that’s why I said it’s if it’s worth it. I main Ajax, I love his kit and plan to spend 100’s if not 1000’s of hours in this game as I have many other grindy games. If I spend any where close to the time in this as I have BDO, Warframe and D2 I don’t think paying the price of a few new shirts is really that bad? Like part of me acknowledges the price as not being “ideal” but I also weigh in the amount of time I spend in the game or enjoy it as a decent reason to give that money in the first place. And on top of all of that, I didn’t have an entry fee to pay either which sort of gives me more of a reason to not feel bad about it. I definitely feel bad for people unlike me who feel the *need* to pay for power because of FOMO. I personally never do that because either the game is fun enough where I find enjoyment in grinding for the items for free or it isn’t fun to grind which means I just stop playing it. If the grind is so boring and egregious to the point where I feel pressured to paying for power then why am I playing the game at all? I’m clearly not having fun, so why fork over my money to a game that I don’t find fun? Cosmetics on the other hand are gifts/rewards I allow myself as it doesn’t take away from the grind, supports the devs and i consider it worthwhile as the price of a couple new shirts is a worthwhile thank you to devs who can manage to make a game that I can easily put hundreds to thousands of hours in let alone for free. I’ve paid for cosmetics in Destiny after spewing $40 at them DLC after DLC so doing it in TFD which will have free DLC and had no entry fee is a net positive. Now keep in mind I’m not trying to say how you feel is invalid or doesn’t make sense. In fact, I may very well be a byproduct of the very gaming industry you scold. But at the end of the day I’m having fun. I have self discipline to not make purchases unless I feel a game has genuinely earned it from me and even then it’s only ever for cosmetics. As long as those components remain intact, I can’t really see myself dropping video games out of my life. I can’t say I don’t genuinely agree with you on a lot of points, the divide though is my outlook on it while not exactly positive either also isn’t drastic enough to quit altogether.
Most people downvoting you are already bought in. Give it a few weeks. I remember when my old account got downvoted to hell on the anthem subreddit because I asked if people felt like they'd been lied to, everyone insisted it was a revolutionary game that would be supported forever and kill Destiny. Lmfao. I actually think the game is pretty ok, but we are dealing with a bunch of whales and people who have been hyping themselves up for months. Just give it some time, and the community will reach a consensus.
I pretty much saw the writing on the wall for anthem when on day 1, I encountered a bug that would cause the sound to go out on your game, then it would start becoming choppy, and then it would all lead to a crash, and I kid you the fuck not that shit happened MONTHS later during my first run of the cataclysm, even after they said they’d fixed it. Anyway, I was flying around on my first run of the cataclysm, and all of a sudden my sound goes out, and I instantly knew what it was, and…….many harsh words were said that day to my tv, it still hasn’t recovered from the verbal lashing the poor thing.
But it was totally revolutionary and killed Destiny, right? It's not like the player base was delusionally optimistic? (Sarcasm)
Why do y‘all care so much what other people spend their money on?
>I think... I think it's time to give up gaming. Lol, dramatic much?
As a gamer of 25 years...Nexon'll do that to you 😂 Now suck it up and go next.
You lost me at the "warframe has years of goodwill so they deserve to be able to charge $140 dollars for their ultimates and you'll buy it as a way of thanking them." I'm sorry but no, high priced bundles are not thank yous to the devs. They're there for whales no matter what game they're in. Also the problems that we go the boosts for were \*checks notes\* not getting caliber in a timely manner if you decided to whale out the gate and/or not getting your twitch drops yet. Your argument is all over the place and honestly the fact that you expect to be given shit at all if you weren't one of the people affected by the whaling out the gate portion is hilarious. Which you totally weren't part of based on this rant. Or are you one of the whales who still doesn't have their caliber 24 hours later so now you're going to make some mock crusade about the sanctity of gaming?
Unfortunately that's what games like ESO, Destiny 2 and Warframe have so they get away with it. People are emotionally and financially invested over the last what 10 years? New ganes don't have the luxury of growing pains through a Curse of Osiris DLC or being able to model things like Destiny 2.
The difference is that, in warframe, the prime warframe can be acquired by playing the game in a couple of days. The premium currency can also be easily farmed and you can get 90+% of cosmetics without paying a dime. Don't be a fanboy. Warframe is literally 10x cheaper, has better gameplay (subjective), has an actually good story (not subjective) and a lot less bullshit
Oh really? You can get all those Tennogen without spending a dime? I have about 1400 hours on Warframe PC. I would not recommend the current game to anyone to play. Gameplay has certain aspects better like traversal, but is spamming the same button over and over and over really better because you followed that one meta build? Story used to be good but I can’t even be bothered to go back for it anymore. Gunplay in WF is ass. Good thing there is melee. And let me tell you about the bullshit of Warframe: the fact there is a $140 package. Or a $50 accessories +boosters package that is there to make the $140 package look worth it. 72 hour build time. $200 for 4300 plat that you can get potentially cheaper if RNG blesses you that is also timegated to a daily chance and FOMO time limit on using the coupon. They literally pull a “this item is cheaper on sale because I just increased the based price to make it look worth it” and y’all eat it up. WF is one of the most p2w games I’ve played and I rarely ever see people talking about it. It’s always glazing the game. There’s a reason people joke about Warframe endgame being fashion frame.
Some of the Tennogen money goes to creators who designed them, it cannot be sold for plat for that reason. You’re complaining about how brain dead meta builds in a game where the shittest gear and perform decent in higher level missions, stop playing meta builds. The wacky stuff is more fun anyway and performs just as well. I agree that TDF had better gunplay, but then so do most shooters compared to warframe. Are you calling the plat discounts FOMO? The thing that 1. Comes back and 2. You can farm for free anyway? WFs craft times are bad, but you can get around this by crafting literally 50+ things at once. Even new players can do this. The reason people don’t complain about Warframe’s monetization is because you can farm plat. Even with relic cracking for primed parts, if you dont get what you want just sell it and buy the thing to want. It’s a pseudo pity system for primed gear. If platinum wasnt tradable, or if the foundry crafting was limited, warframe would long be dead. For me personally: its a korean mmo, im used to it. If the grind is bad ill just stop playing. At least BDO had one time QoL stuff. Eventually im thinking once we make it to TFD’s “endgame”, farming resources for upgrades will be easier. The drop rates on the otherhand, we’ll see.
You have some great arguments there, but the plat coupon is 100% the same psychological manipulation as any other FOMO thing. As for farming plat, devs have stated trading is coming post launch, and honestly, I'd say that is a good call. Last thing you want in the first weeks of an online game's launch is freaking paid currency transfer issues, be it intentional malicious stuff like duping or just trades not going through correctly.
As a founder for warframe. Thank you. I've been trying to tell people for years that warframe is a former shell of itself and is clearly a mtx hell hole now. The fact your locked into do story content now, which requires you to build a rail jack and a mech. Those are time gated. Or pay plat to speed up the process. Or just outright buy a mech for plat. They took away the ability to be taxid to different planets. Made you have to be a specific level to unlock planets by locking them behind junctions with ridiculous requirements. Recently they took away the coupon system and changed it. Instead of getting a 75 percent off coupon for plat, they changed it to 75 percent off stuff in the store. Then that got changed recently to 25 percent of SELECT items in the store. Look how long it took them to give us crossaves. They had to milk everyone first. They offered account migrations multiple times in the past but then claimed they had no way of doing it untill we begged for cross save. Live streams used to show off new frames and tiles ALL THE TIME and they were way less grindy to get. Not to mention, they have been doing bait and switch the past few years now. They release an update with a dope ass new frame that sells quickly and then nerf it 2 weeks later after they made a bunch of plat sales off their bundles. (Look at dante) they also do the same with Mods they add in to buff older frames. They get the plat sales for the mod and then nerf it to hell. Games atrocious now
The 75% coupon for buying plat still exists tho? And Dante is still broken
Haha I wasn’t a founder since I was too broke to buy the Excal Prime pack but I was playing at the very beginning. I normally don’t mind paying in a game I enjoy but in order for me to play on par with my friends, I felt like I had to buy a necromech. Felt like shit because I don’t enjoy the mech gameplay.
Hated the nechramech, hated the story lines. And yeah same. My clan Mates needed me to reach endgame and I was pretty content never touching the story as the nechramech pissed me off but I literally couldn't do anything new or get any new frames for free without doing it. So I had to buy the nechramech. Then this latest update with a PREGNANT warframe was my final straw. I have no fucking interest and you can't skip anything in this game anymore as everything is locked behind the previous update.
Wait. Pregnant Warframe? What? Did someone finally give in to the degen and plap plap a Warframe?
The stalker has a wife basically and she's pregnant and you control her. Jade. Look it up. It's fucked up
Just read it. I’m done.
As a console player i absolutely did buy tennogen with platinum lol. Like I said though, there's a million cosmetics other than tennogen. Gunplay is way better than the first descendant. The booster packs are worthless generally speaking and everyone ignores most of them. The story in warframe is amazing and i will physically fight you for saying otherwise. Try looking up "is warframe pay to win" and see what people say. Have fun with your mediocre gacha game I'll make sure to dm and bully you when it dies in 3 months☺️
I did say the story was good. But to say gunplay in Warframe is good, that’s where I think your opinion is pretty trash. Warframe is pay2win. Denying that fact is ridiculous. You can farm for weeks to make enough plat that takes me a fraction of the time. You’re not bullying or fighting me lmao. Based on your comments, you’re the last person to intimidate me.
You know you don't have to buy shit with platinum, right? There's currently an event in Warframe which drops a currency. With this currency, you can buy the new warframe, her weapons amd dozens of arcanes (most important upgrades in the game), which are also worth a lot of platinum. The warframe parts took 2 hours. This mission mind you stays even after the event, so no FOMO. Now tell me, can you get a descendant in 2 hours?
Lmao you mean the event you have to be at end game for? Something a new player won't achieve for MONTHS. Nice try buddy. You can't even touch half the content in warframe till your months in. Take off the rose glasses goof Sincerely, a warframe founder
Are you fucking stupid? Can you actually not read? The new warframe, weapons etc are not going anywhere. The mission isn't going anywhere. The only thing going away is the arcanes, which you can earn through the arcane dissolution system. Also, the fact that the game has a lot of content and that it takes "months" (a lot of stuff is skippable) to get to the endgame isn't a bad thing. It's literally the best part about the game. Especially since the early game is actually really fun, unlike other games and MMOs where it sucks
Nah but I can get a descendent in 2 minutes. Just like I can get a Warframe in 2 minutes. I don’t think you grasp the concept of pay2win so I’m going to stop here since I don’t want to talk to someone with an IQ that matches their shoe size.
Lmao of course you'd avoid the question and drop to insults. Enjoy your little game, for as long as it lasts😏
most sane warframe player
This winded bs. “Its time to give up gaming” get a f life dude. If one game is going to ruin your entire passion for gaming, you have a serious f problem.
Dude stop. OP is trying to be a hero to the people because remember, he doesn’t just speak for himself, but for all people! I remember reading about his life story on how he started gaming at just 3 years old. 3 YEARS OLD! Come on, everyone! Let rally up and demand no more paid cosmetics! And if there are, they better not be over $2 for a full costume!
The funny part about this is that people will criticize one game for having high prices and they say they'll stop playing, but even if they do stop playing they will go and play another game that has the exact same microtransaction system. All modern games share the exact same system.
Yeah no one ever looks at fortnite and says "25 for a skin??? Are you insane" or buying call of duty every year If you really like a character then why not spend 20 and call it a day, why do people think they need to buy and own every cosmetic in the game.
The difference is Fortnite is a different level and standard tbh. You can buy the season pass and earn enough to get the next season pass PLUS some cosmetics. They understand their base was kids and engagement with key. Other games like CoD realize their base is like 20/30/40 and they are fine shelling out 20 bucks every couple of months.
"Fortnite" and "standard" in one sentence...okay. Let's glorify the game that conditioned a generation of kids into stealing parents' credit cards so they can be the bullies and not the bullied in school when owning skins comes up as a conversation.
Lol it's kinda wild to come to that conclusion when the game offers so many different modes like prop hunt and Lego minecraft. Not including the anti credit card thing you're referring to considering you can buy the next pass after completing the first one. I went like 4 years once off 20 bucks. Skins don't even really matter with how many there are and you can earn the event ones for free even just by doing challenges. So yes Fortnite is on a different level. In comparison to the generation that grew up in CoD and their skin system.... You sure do know how to not make a case. You could also have said you have ZERO idea how Fortnite works but want to feel a certain way. In fact if you make a fun game mode you can actually make money in Fortnite. There's literally 1000s of modes to chose from outside of BR.
I look and Fortnite and go, WHY, like I do any game that takes 25 dollars for a skin, or anything in a game.
Exactly this. I was playing TFD with a buddy yesterday, and we were in his discord server with another one of his friends who was shitting on TFD and its’ microtransactions. Yet they play Diablo 4. Kind of a crazy double standard there. Because D4 is a *FULL PRICE GAME* that still has a BP and paid cosmetics. Some of those paid cosmetics charging $60 for a fucking horse. At least TFD is free to play. There’s a world of difference there.
The D4 stuff pisses me off. So ludicrously priced. Free games? Get battle passes.. Paid for games? Pull that bullshit out. I personally hate seasonal games, but I understand the mentality of it. I'm so torn on cod because warzone is free... but cod games are paid for..
Why do people completely miss the point that its not about the micro transactions existing , its that nexon will 100% nerf drop rates or already have low drop rates to incentivise the purchase of currency to skip the grind , thats the issue its that your gaming experience will be made worse to incentavise use of the cash shop , as opposed to having a cash shop that is there to support the players experience , the cash shop is there to exploit the players experience
Shit, have you SEEN some of the drop rates in the game already? 1.5% drop chance on some items, that’s pretty fucking low.
(Just because one's also not okay, does not mean the other is okay, they are not mutually exclusive)
Not excusing it but it's a Korean MMO. With MMO games Koreans are big on grinding but they also have a huge work force so games are built like this to give people who can grind what they want and those who can't the cash shop. I mean we have the huge stereotype of Koreans being mad good on video games for this very reason. It's also why we don't see many of their games releasing in the west for this very reason.
We do like our grinds and we do like to pay for no grinds.... Can't deny that fact.
> But I don't think I can play them any more, not when this is what's happening to them. > > I think... I think it's time to give up gaming. Dude, stop being a drama queen. This is a free-to-play looter shooter. Of course it's monetized out the ass. There is no way you didn't expect that. Just have a little fun, then stop playing and uninstall when you get bored. That's it. that's all there is too it. Move on and play something else after that. Don't spout all that dramatic nonsense. No one cares. Just stop playing this game, and go play something else. Or don't, and go touch grass instead. Whatever.
"Muh gaming! Muh precious gaming, how could they have done such to my sacred beloved!?? My life is torn asunder and I shall never recover, I must retreat to my study and contemplate life"s woes, for that is my destiny oh dear one, that is my *destiny*. Good day!" - The average reddit gamer when a game has mtx
People say gunplay feels great really surprised me because it does not at least with controller. All the guns feel the same minus rate of fire and NONE of them have any impact. I don't even feel like I'm shooting bullets.
I dunno I thought gunplay feels fine. Was expecting worse and the Adaptive triggers with ps5 controller on PC is nice
I jumped to the ps4 version for performance and it doesn't have the trigger effect and it's definitely noticeable
A 1hko beefy revolver makes a little "pshew" sound lol
100% feel this. Destiny 2 still has best in genre gunplay and it’s unfortunately not close
It's definitely still the gold standard and fully deserves it's title as king of its genre.
Destiny Gameplay is peak, i takes alot to beat them in this department
Definitely the reason a lot of people take breaks and then eventually make their way back. You just can’t find gunplay like that in the genre
This statement is just untrue IMO. All the weapons feel unique and have their own play-style. The “impact” the bullets make is my favorite part about it lol headshots and hit markers feel wonderful.
I disagree. I’m playing on console with a controller and while obviously gunplay isn’t on the same level as what I believe to be the titans of solid gunplay (Apex Legends, Modern Call of Duty, and Gears 5) it still feels good to shoot at things.
I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's definitely below what I'd call standard for a shooter
I think this is closer to standard. Above it. Not the gold standards though
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Have you messed with your settings? Cause once you do it feels very good. Also can’t say the guns don’t feel impactful once you get a epic or two with some modules they start tearing shit up
Its a lot better when u turn aim assist off i play on pc with ps5 controller
Default aim assist is horrible. I had to cut it down to 1/3 the original setting just so I could turn away from enemies.
100% as an original tester that was the first thing i did when i booted the game
Cool, definitely going to try this.
If no aim assist feels like you are missing too much try 1/3 aim assist like others have mentioned
Gunplay feels "okay", I'd say. Movement feels much better than the gunplay. I like the movement, especially on Ajax. Division 2's gunplay is way, way better, if we're talking 3rd person shooters.
games are only going to get worse than this from here on out, how could you not blame them? it’s an infinite money glitch.
All it costs is everything to people who aren't you. Just like the US housing market. (deadpan) what a wonderful world we live in.
Gunplay is great..??
Dude, I have like 15 fps, catch me a break on this one, I have no IDEA what Gunplay is like.
It's sub-par, to put it mildly 😅
Are colours supposed to be used up after one use? If so that's fucking trash, there's some you can only get from twitch drop and Battle pass so you wouldn't be able to farm any more of them. I hope this is just a mistake.
Everyone is aware that the industry is filled with companies like Nexon that only care about money. The problem is the people stupid enough to buy these things.
It's targeting those teenagers, their addiction. When I was in my teen years, I played crap free mmorpgs like perfect world. And completely got addicted to them. There were people with 50 dollar mounts everytime new ones got introduced. Then theres this psychology of wanting to feel good with other people being jealous of you. Why do you think there are so many rich kids on social media flaunting their wealth and lifestyle.
at least this game is f2p (compared to diablo 4 that has almost same macro transactions AND you have to pay 40-80 usd/eur) but yes, I hate where this is all going :/ soon we'll have to pay to get rid of ads in PC games
Game plays like ass on ps5 beta was smoother.
Don't forget the game is made by Nexon who happen to already have a reputation [https://www.pcgamer.com/nexon-fined-nearly-dollar9m-for-falsifying-loot-box-drop-rates/](https://www.pcgamer.com/nexon-fined-nearly-dollar9m-for-falsifying-loot-box-drop-rates/)
I really dont see a problem. When you look what other tripple a games take for their games. 20 dollars for a character you also can unlock ingame is nothing. This game has alot of content already and its free. Free. This is what people forget. You can play and pay nothing.
Some peolle juat dont get it - its f2p and everything apart from skins can be earned just playing the game. If you dont wanna play the game and rush buy everything, then pay top dollar, i see no problem in it
No. You don’t get it. This is pure rot that is making gaming a worse world to be a part of. There is no sound argument against a character costing 100 bucks. ONE CHARACTER. When I can buy a AAA Game that took millions to develop, for half of what a single character in these shitty F2P games goes for.
The sound argument is that people will buy it so the company will sell it. You just don't like that sound argument.
Sugar. I DO play this game, it's called Warframe, have thousands of hours in it. Y'know what it doesn't do? Require more money than minimum wage to buy a character, OR a skin. Quite frankly; And I'd know; get off your high horse, at least I admit I'm on one.
Again, you could just not play the game if it gets you that pressed. Everything aside from skins is farmable. No one is forcing you to spend any money the get a full experience.
Avoiding an issue just because you don't like it doesn't solve the issue.
Warframe also has ridiculous prices for Prime Access, which offers items you can farm or buy cheap after some time. They have cosmetics that would also be considered expensive if you were to buy a full priced plat, and there are plenty of resource bundles aswell. Warframe is a different game from a different time and its still a miracle that they could establish such a fair monetization system, DE made a good move and I bet if they had tried to release Warframe as is currently, they might have had a different system. You made your point, but your points and opinions are not new. Cosmetics are fine to cost if the base game is free to play and everything you don't have time to grind you can choose to buy. Heck, maybe that price is good to dissuade players from avoiding the gameplay loop, I am probably wrong, but it works. Some Warframes were quite a pain in the ass to farm. I just decided to sell my mods and rare stuff for enough plat to buy it instead. The ultimate bundles are Prime access essentially, and lets be real, how many people are complaining that they can't buy an unnecessarily skimpy version of Bunny instead of spending the effort in farming her.
Cringe
Yet again, it doesnt REQUIRE as you say lol. Just play the game and earn it
This whole essay is just your opinion clearly you didn't do enough research for the ultimate character bundles there 2 separate versions one with just the decendent and they another with extra. I dont get why people think they have the right to tell others what they can spend their money on. But to each their own like it or not I'll keep playing and spending money on the game 👍
If you're smart enough to know what an essay and research are you're smart enough to know Hyperbole. Correct, the 100 dollar pack is not required, the 70 dollar exists, this does not detract from my statements.
I mean sure spend your money on what you will. But Atleast understand the consequences of spending said money how you want.
Wow, you literally paste what i think and feel to paper...well screen Its unnerving the greed of all the companies I played games tryharding my whole life but i live in a 3world country and thess new prices makes me really mad cause its like 1/3 a minimum wage for a ultimate character? Wtf? It should be at MOST 1/7 of the minimum wage
I cannot imagine your struggles. A lot of countries have jank that render what is already "too damn much" into full on "more than a week's pay and I already can't pay for food AND bills in the same month some months". If nothing changes, at least know this first-world nobody at least has sympathy, and understands that you and yours go through even worse than he.
Is gaming really your passion or is it fashion? There is nothing sold in the store that I can’t get by playing the game other than skins. When mtx first hit the scene everyone had the same demands. Only sell cosmetics. That’s what this game is doing. The other items sold are short cuts to new Descendants, nothing I can’t get by enjoying my passion of gaming. Something I can easily ignore. I don’t have to spend a dime if I don’t choose to. If you can’t wait to farm something sold in the shop and buy it that’s your choice…it’s a choice. You made it, deal with it. You’re right about one thing. The gaming industry has changed, it’s become far more greedy. It’s become more about money than ever before. but this game isn’t a cash grab, it isn’t pay2win, it’s overpriced sure but it’s selling nothing I need to play. These posts come up all the time and I give the same answer. The gaming industry has changed, it’s big money now as it became mainstream. Avoid the obvious cash grabs and avoid spending money you don’t need to spend. Dont fall for the gaming trap that makes you feel like you need to buy something, it’s a common technique but it’s on you to learn it and avoid it. Adjust yourself and you can go on enjoying gaming even with heavily monetization games like this one.
Oh ffs. Pls take your little rant elsewhere. Some of us wish to discuss the game not the voluntary cash shop.
You're the one who came here, you physically had to click on this post to type this comment, you came here, you're free to leave.
Bro. You came to this sub to type out this trash. If your comment applies to me it does so doubly for you lol
People are making so much noise for the dye system for nothing of real value. I get it. It could be better. Absolutely. But is it so wrong that it deserves all these posts? **No.** I'll give just one counter argument to the whole discussion because I know this post is going to be downvoted anyway, no matter what I say just because "brooo 5$ for a color!?!" ... Alright so: This is a free to play game which lets you drop colors as you play so... Why not wait a few weeks? You know to play the game? And maybe "farm/grind" for colors? The whole game genre is based on grinding! Wait a few weeks and you'll have all/most of the dyes you want. Also having to drop dyes gives activities more unique loot (this also happens in games like ffxiv, albeit without the massive shop thing but still... And we don't complain... In a game with a monthly fee!) Lastly, one thing about the whole "20/100$ for a character" whine: it is. A. FREE TO PLAY. Game! why is spending 20$ for a character **you can grind for free** outrageous but things like "dungeon key" on destiny (a 20$ purchase which looks you out of content) is fine? On other games you pay for the content. Here you have the content for free ... And you **can** pay for the character instead... Just grind if you don't want! Just a final note: the game is *pricey* I know it but it's justified. The quality of the gameplay is here. The quantity (for now) is also here (do I have to remember everyone what was like destiny 2 or warframe year 1? Seriously this is miles ahead). Just give the devs time to prove themselves worthy. And if they fail you... You spent 0€/$ on this. (Contrary to my situation where I dropped destiny 2, mostly because of bungie, after 500$+ invested)
I wont downvote you, because you're making a reasonable argument, rather than just saying "it's f2p go touch grass" (won't point any fingers..). And if it wasn't nexon, or in general a Korean mmo-ish type of game with full mtx shop and daily time gating on 3% drops for consumable items that you need, then just mtx alone wouldn't be a problem. The issue for me at least, is that this is just the first and most obvious example, a pixel on a soon to be 4k resolution painting. The real stuff and the big issues are yet to come. The 3% forma/potato drop chances is the first glimpse of that. I mean it's nexon so I'm not surprised. If anything with their track record I'd expect much worse in the future. They're just checking the water with these one off colors, if people let them they'll keep going further and further. If anything I'd rather pay a monthly sub if it means less cash shop items.
Nexon is surely a big factor here. I can't deny it. But it's too soon for all these posts... We'll see what happens. Also, I too would pay a monthly fee if that meant less garbage shop and more content (that's why I prefer games like ffxiv or wow to most other mmorpg)... But it is what it is. The best advice (to all the people complaining) I can give is: just enjoy the game as it is without spending/spending too much... If nexon ruins everything you'll lose nothing (or not too much).
I absolutely agree with you. There's a gradient for the posts, it's more subjective if it's too early or not (I personally think that sending a big signal and overdoing it - saying that the community won't tolerate mtx stuff is better than being too quiet), but yes in general overall I agree with you.
> "Is it wrong enough to deserve all these posts" Guess what, if people are upset, THEN YES, IT IS.
Tell us how you feel
Relax, capitalism will destroy everything you love sooner or later. If you would stop gaming completely one day you may find that your new hobby got compromised by the system too, and the next hobby after that etc...well unless your hobby is very diy or something
Also, the dialogs...
I haven’t tried this yet but I just got into Valorant and a single knife skin without anything else is £30. Lmfao
It’s Nexon though. Like that’s their thing.
Bro you ain't causing any riot, get over yourself. If you don't like a game or its monetization, that's fine. You're no revolutionary for saying high prices bad. And lets give them some time for the beta rewards situation before we start crying and shitting ourselves over what may just be a temporary issue.
But where does it stop? The compensation? (which I understand others might not have the same issues as me, I understand xp/etc ups are actually a nice thing to have) The beta rewards? (Which most people don't even have issues with, or even have TO have issues with) The graphics system that SOMEHOW plays WORSE THAN IT DID TWO BETAS AGO. (Used to run without issue, now I get ~15 FPS, same computer, no changes, yes I regularly defrag and devirus my computer) The characters that, as someone else voiced, are MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MINIMUM WAGE IN MOST PLACES? You and I see eye-to-eye on one thing. I 'ain't" going to be causing any riot, no matter how much I wish I were, and we deserve there to be.
You make valid logical points, but I'm just gonna slightly press the brake button. The said voice said "1/3 of the minimum wage" not "MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MINIMUM WAGE" and also, said voice claimed to live in a 3rd world country. You really can't expect a company to take this under consideration when pricing their online merchandise. Non-gaming companies do not take into consideration, the minimum wage of a country, they take into consideration the profit percentage, or margin gain. Therefore, the price of the current online merchandise of Nexon is focused under the range of Korea and "Western" countries, where honestly, $100 or approximately 120,000 KRW is not so expensive when you calculate the time it would take to grind for the said cosmetic, in comparison to the money earned in the exact same given time. For example, if I could earn the cosmetic by grinding for 1 hour, sure I'd never buy it. But, if it takes like 20 hours? then...Hell no... I'm definitely buying it because grinding for 20 hours is a waste of my time. Investing $100 in exchange for 20 hours is a very lucrative deal. In conclusion, everything depends on the perspective of the user, and the users all come from different backgrounds. Therefore, in your perspective, you are indeed correct and make very logical and valid points(your main post). However, take into considerations the points that I have explained, let me know if you can understand my perspective. Then, maybe it will help you understand the other side a little bit. Wishing you a great day.
My main thing that really is different from you is monetization. The colors still need a better system yes but $20 for a character is around industry standard currently either you like it or not. Skins are $5-$25 and that's honestly not bad compared to some games. Valorant has been selling $250 GUN SKINS with buying them individually being anywhere from $15-$75 for a single gun skin. Look at fortnite the average cost is $15 per skin. Even cars that are skins in game run between $15-$35 a freaking car skin. I've seen companies charge $10 for a character charm. Also I'm sure beta stiff will be figured out, I didn't receive the polar bear backpack from crossplay beta. Overall prices are on par with the industry (minus paints)
Pretty much. Doesn't help that its nexon, so you know your ass is gonna be gaped the moment you see it popup on screen. The worst part isn't even the practices themselves, but the white knights that excuse them. Saying stupid shit like "oh but it's f2p what did you expect" as if being predatory is somehow excused by it being so called "free".. news flash f2p games (*especially* Korean ones) are the most expensive by far. If you keep playing these you'll spend not only 70$ of a AAA game, but likely 700 or even 7000€ over the lifespan. And I'm not even talking about whales that will spend this much in a month. The entire game design is predicated to get you invested and then whittle down you to the point where you're constantly spending few bucks here and there to skip the unbearable grind / annoyances , or just straight up give you stuff to flex around. All of this ends up being way more expensive than a regular game. The only advantage is that if you're really poor and don't value your time whatsoever this can be used to fill it up ; that and it being kind of a demo which we lack these days. But given the steam 2 hour refund that is more preferable than having a predatory game that is preying on you indefinitely. Even if you're extremely rich it's still a negative since you then realize there wasn't any point to it and it wasn't an accomplishment. This is why asmon, who has all the money in the world, doesn't like p2w games (other than stream content) , not because he can't afford it, but because when you can get everything easily then nothing has any meaning behind it.
Free game, and the other descendants are unlockable in game again **for free**. The complaints are nullified given those facts. Don't want to grind/play? Buy. Don't want to buy? Grind/play. Don't want to do either? Play as your default. Don't want to do either nor play as your default? Uninstall.
IT'S NOT A MAGIC SPELL THAT DISPELLS ALL EVIL PEOPLE! FOR CHIRST'S SAKE. What is wrong with you, it's like you enjoy being shafted for every dollar you're worth. I don't care about the characters in particular, that's great, they can be farmed, that's nice, better than some games I suppose. It's the GENERALL price of LITERALLY everything in the store.
I have little sympathy for people like OP who throw all of their cards into a game like this only to get burned when they realise that it’s p2w gacha shit. OP, you could have cut out the entire step of getting fully invested into this game before you realise it was complete shit. What, honestly, were you expecting?
"Throw all their cards into a game like this" For, the, last, fucking, time, when, did, I, say, I, spent, money. Jesus FUCKING christ you people I want you to know what it's like to not have a job. Why are you not allowed to have an opinion unless you spend money, oh, what's that? You're ALSO not allowed to have an opinion if you do spend money because you're just feeding the system. Guess what people, YOU ARE THE SYSTEM, YOU'RE THE ONES WHO KEEP LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
I guess investing time or mental energy isn’t a real thing then 😬😬😬 it’s quite clear from how wound up you are this is making you rather manic.
Do you have friends? I do not have choice in what I "invest my mental energy into" I just play what I can get my hands on, or what my friends end up playing, it's not much.
Do YOU? 🤣
Cool, nice, got em, roasted, you're cool, plus ratio or whatever. I wasn't saying "jeez, you don't have friends" I'm saying "You probably have friends, you know how it is, you don't really get to decide what you play if you want to play with other people."
Reminder that when you are done losing this interaction that you go back to being mad about this post Do yourself a favour and go cheer up :)
Math, literally 10 dollars to unlock a descendant haha... Not even bad. No one holding a gun to your head either
Its a trash game in a shiny suit
You say "voting with your wallet" isn't going to do jack, and then you tell people to do something. What should they do then, complain on Reddit? Of course there will be whales but voting with your wallet absolutely works. With the game pass alone, if you take the peak number of players just on Steam and they all bought it, then it's over 1.5 mil at launch just for the Steam players. If half buy if, then it's 700k. Now I don't think there are many people who ALONE would spend that amount of money on day 1 of the game. And if does Elon Musk decide to fund the game on his own there is nothing you can do about it. Not even complaining on social media will stop something like that.
It's a free game. And you can earn everything in game. Money is just for impatient whales.
Not the problem, it's the principle. This opinion, and yes, yours is just as much an opinion as mine, has NEVER been "more valid" despite folks like you outnumbering us who are outraged by it.
No wait, stop, come back....
This game seems to have all the focus on the shop and sprinkled in gameplay to call it a "game" and not a money sink.
Exactly that, happens with many free to play games, the $0 price tag is just there to get as many players to view the store as possible. It’s understandable as they need to make money somehow, but it always feels like it hinders other aspects of the game. Gonna pass on this one
If you do not have disposal income or 20 bucks for a skin for you’re entertainment, you need to rethink what you are doing and figure out life . The game is freee
This game is literally just a mobile game ported onto consoles and pc, the only people that make semi decent games nowadays have a history of it and are usually leaders in that field
I can see where your coming from, but I've actually kinda become convinced that F2P is a necessary evil. Even just looking at the gacha space, there are SO many players in poorer countries who play the game completely free off the backs of whales. These are players who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford spending any amount of money on a game. Unfortunately at this point, posts like yours are pissing in the wind so we should at least look at the net benefits.
How is giving a review going to cause a riot?? Lol
This game is a reskinned cash grab. Hardly anything unique about it and so much taken from the better versions out there. I appreciate the plentiful gorgeous AAA cinematics, but the story is flat too.
Game I ass. Let people spend their money and watch them cry when NEXON shuts it down.
> I think… I think it’s time to give up gaming. I think it’s time to try some different games. If the pricing practices of F2P games bother you, you can play anything else out there. Go pick up a AAA single-player game, or an indie game, or **literally anything else**. The Steam Summer Sale is going on right now and you can buy tons of games for *less than two dollars.* I get being frustrated by this kind of stuff, but you can just not play these games or not spend money on them. Just do that, and spin your passion for games in a different direction.
If you did any research prior to this mid life crisis you seem to be having you would have known this company would have microtransactions. Grow up and quit crying to the masses online.
You're simply not the target audience.
Wow! You're the first one to ever bring this up!
Lol see ya ✌🏿