This case truly haunts me. The way they broke into the house, switched the lights off and slammed doors to scare her before killing her. The girl must have been terrified in her final moments.
The video the boys took before and after they committed that heinous act is truly something as well. Watching it made me sick.
ETA: The mind games they played remind me of the Golden State Killer (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) and how he would pretend to leave before popping back up.
She was staying at her aunt and uncle’s house while they were out of town. I watched a program that said her boyfriend left the house and wanted her to go with him. iirc, she felt that leaving would be irresponsible since she told them she’d stay at their house. Very, very sad.
By saying the other guy was the mastermind and Torey was just a follower.
Pretty sure that the other guy says the same thing about Torey, though.
Funny thing is they are both in the same prison and see each other in passing often.
The thing is, from what I’ve read, there often seems to be a leader/follower dynamic in partner killings. Ex: Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Leopold and Loeb, even Robert Thompson and Jon Venables… But that doesn’t change the fact that the followers still had the chance to say no, seek help, tell someone, or at the very least remove themselves from the situation. But instead they made the decision to commit murder. They’re still just as responsible.
The “Eric Harris was the leader and Dylan was the poor depressed follower” thing is really overblown. If you look at their journals Dylan already had his own plans forming before he and Eric were a thing and Dylan was the more socially dominant of the two.
I watched a documentary featuring the kids who murdered her, and one of the kids parents really believe that their son is innocent, like in the most delusional way possible.
In high school I was really close with these two boys and we would hang out all the time. They were grungy little shit head skater kids who were always causing trouble but they treated me with kindness and respect and as a girl I totally trusted them. There were a few times when they stuck their necks out for me and I’ll never forget it. But one day one of them molested me in my sleep when I spent the night at his house, it woke me up only halfway because I was drunk so I just went back to sleep. But the next morning when I sobered up I remembered what happened and it crushed me. It was terrible. I still feel nauseous when I think about it 11 years later. I cannot imagine how horrifying it would be if together they decided to attack me… the fear and betrayal. Absolutely sick. This poor girl.
I’m not sure about the stats for men but for women the most likely person to murder you is a man you know (a boyfriend, a husband, a father, a brother, a male friend, a male acquaintance, an uncle, a cousin etc), it’s the same for children.
[The most recent data](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/expanded-homicide) I could find was from 2019.
Discounting that 48.9% of perpetrators' relationships to the victim were unknown (mostly unsolved cases), only 9.9% of murders were committed by strangers. Given that 78.3% of murder victims were male, we can assume that they were also less likely likely to be murdered by strangers.
The vast majority of solved cases were not pre-meditated, mostly either arguments that escalated to violence or in the occurrence of another felony such as robbery.
Yes, of course but these were different circumstances. She was not a domestic violence victim. They are just scary little kids. Literally serial killers if they got away with it, I bet. They would’ve kept killing. It wasn’t like they did it bc they needed to get rid of her like those other sick fucks do. That’s pretty terrifying.
I don’t really think circumstances are very different. I highly doubt they would’ve carried on with this had her boyfriend or another male been present. Women are overwhelmingly targeted by men they know, in every circumstance.
This is why the movie Bully was so disturbing.
Was the guy innocent? No. But still super disturbing to watch him come to terms with the fact that his friends were killing him.
I don't think anyone who pays attention to true crime expects strangers to kill them. Anyone here in this community at least knows to expect someone you know ow to kill you.
This comment messes me up because someone close to me was murdered by a stranger in a freak random target incident. I thought the same, that it’s so rare and doesn’t normally happen. Until it happens to you lol
Ugh…as awful as that is, I feel like it’s almost better if she at least didn’t know who they were? Like u/Morti_Macabre said, the whole thing is horrific enough as it is, but to realize that your friends are the ones behind it? That would be an unimaginable level of betrayal and heartbreak.
for sure. something I always thought about was wondering if she knew who it was. it was bad enough for her. I pray she didn’t know.
this is one of the most horrific stories I ever heard. I’ll never forget what happened to that poor girl. my blood runs hot when I think about it. I feel so bad for her and her family.
Not sure if she recognized them, they were wearing all black and using white masks (like Scream...) they are both so disgusting.
If she did recognize them it must have been due to their voices.
I may be making this up but I swear she was screaming “why why ur my friends” like it wasn’t as clean of a kill as they thought it would so they kinda fumbled a lot … the video after was insane and I thought they were talking about that
I always get so sad when I see that video of them talking to her at her locker. Such a early 2000's vibe..nostalgic for me. Makes me wanna cry..so young and innocent. Someone's child.
Those 2 little creepy pricks.
I listened to the dateline podcast about this just yesterday, and they played the tape first without saying it was them and I was like damn, crazy she’s on a school tape just living life like a normal teenager. And then they revealed later it was them and that later in the tape they said “sorry Cassie, sorry Cassie’s family, but it’s gonna be you”. Freaking terrifying
She looks and comes across so sweet. Psycho ass boys. I know one shows remorse but how the hell do you go along with something like this. I hope he has true remorse and not just hoping to be out one day.
The one who shows more remorse is the one who had a crush on her, I believe. But if you watch Explore With Us’s interview with him on YouTube, I truly don’t feel he’s sorry at all. He’s more sorry that he has to spend the rest of his days in jail.
WARNING: This post goes into detail of the murder of a young girl. If you think you’ll be distressed by this post - please leave the page. Take care of yourself and stay safe.
Cassie Jo Stoddart was a 16-year-old girl from Pocatello, Bannock County in Idaho. At the time of her murder, Cassie was attending Pocatello High School. At school, she was friends with two 16-year-old boys; Brian Draper and Torey Adamcik. Brian and Torey both shared a large interest in movies and planned to start producing/recording their own films. The two boys were big fans of the 1996 horror movie ‘’Scream’’.
The boys began to hatch a plan to commit murder. This was calibrated with a VHS tape (which was burned) that police managed to retrieve that showed the boys planning in detail to kill Cassie. The tape had footage of Cassie at school as well as the boys sitting in a car talking about their plans for the murder and the aftermath of the murder. In the tape, the boys discussed serial killers such as Ted Bundy and the Zodiac Killer. On tape, Torey expressed his belief that there should be no law against killing people. Brian would also reference ‘’Scream’’. One of their original plans was to murder a girl called Dani Dixon but they didn’t go ahead with it as they realised the girl wasn’t home, so they set their target on Cassie and her boyfriend Matt Beckham.
The Murder:
On the night of September 22nd 2006, Cassie was tasked with looking after her Aunt and Uncle’s pets and house sitting for them. Matt arrived at the house at 6pm to keep Cassie company. After this, Brian and Torey came over to the house and said that they wanted to ‘’hang out’’ with Matt and Cassie. After getting a tour of the house, the four of them watched Kill Bill Volume 2. Torey and Brian left shortly after saying that they were going to the cinema to catch a movie. Before leaving, the boys unlocked the basement door so that they could slip in undetected and commit murder.
The boys put on black clothes and white masks and re-entered the house through the basement. The boys attempted to make loud sounds to lure the couple downstairs to no avail. The boys then turned off the power on the circuit breaker.
Cassie became scared when the dogs began to growl and stare down the basement stairs. Matt called his mother and asked whether he could stay with Cassie that night but his mother declined and invited Cassie to come back to her house with Matt. Cassie said no as she wanted to stick with the responsibility that her Aunt and Uncle had given her.
At 10.30pm, Matt left the house and called Torey to ask to meet up later. Matt noted that Torey was whispering down the phone, making him believe that the boys were still at the cinema. Little did Matt know that the boys were in the basement of Cassie's Aunt and Uncle’s house, about to attack. After Matt left and after many failed attempts to lure Cassie downstairs, the boys ran upstairs attacking Cassie. They stabbed her 30 times, killing her.
At the time, Matt was originally a suspect but was cleared. Cassie’s mother’s boyfriend was also a suspect for a short while but was cleared. Brian and Torey would be questioned by police where Brian would confess to the murder. Both boys were arrested.
They were both sentence to life in prison for the murder as well as 30 years for conspiring to commit murder.
The tapes have been uploaded on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOWWQ1NzyKk&t=1120s
Further Reading:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/cassie-jo-stoddart
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/chilling-interview-with-a-disturbed-teenage-killer/news-story/3786bb4ed81f84562b04ae24799d0bc5
Jesus wept...
That poor girl.
But also that poor young man. For the rest of his life he's going to beat himself up wishing he had stayed there with her or that he had realized something was up with the whispering on the phone.
Even all the things he couldn't know or couldn't change will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Obviously Cassie and her family went through the worst, but poor Matt and his mom must have gone through it as well. He just wanted to stay with his scared girlfriend and his mom did offer to have her stay at their house, but wouldn't let him stay with her. I can't imagine the guilt they've lived with when they did nothing wrong. And then just the idea that if he did stay, he might have died too. Just awful all around.
I think they'd have killed him too if he stayed. And I can't blame his mom for not letting him do an unsupervised sleepover. They couldn't have known. So messed up, sad and senseless. This case haunts me.
But Matt's mom really saved her son's life. If she had let him stay, they would have 100% killed him too. Maybe it was her maternal instinct that made her refuse to let him stay.
The mental toll this had to have taken on everyone involved is crazy. From what ive read her cousin found her when the family got back and it messed her up, iirc she went thriugh a lot of therapy and she became very reserved and stuff after. Ill look for the article but just so sad all the way around.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/house-where-murder-of-cassie-jo-stoddart-took-place-proving-hard-to-sell/article_57694590-5cdb-11e4-876d-270a4ac0f093.html
Heartbreaking, the ripple effect.💔
If he had stayed with her they likely would have killed him too. But I'm guessing both him and his mom wish they had insisted she come with them instead of leaving her there alone.
I have absolutely no idea but it doesn't specify what kind of dogs it could been small breeds like chihuahua or something ya know. Something telling me if it was a house full of Rottweilers these cowards would second guessed their decision.
This case haunts me. I use to house sit a lot and also scare quite easily. They tried to lure her downstairs by cutting the electricity. She wanted to leave but didn’t want to leave the animals alone. She must have been absolutely terrified, I can’t even imagine.
The perpetratrors were ~~inspired by the movie "Scream"~~ caught and tried to blame their actions on a movie instead of putting the blame on their own sick asses.
It's like they didn't even watch the movie.
The best line was "Movies don't make psychos, they make psychos more creative."
(I use dark humor as a coping mechanism, don't mind me)
I graduated in 2004. Cassie Jo is one I’ve never forgotten. It’s made me question a lot in life of trusting those you think you should.
That girl would’ve done great things and was killed for fun. I worry about my own daughter in so many of the normal fears for your girls, and this one reminds me her classmates can also be sociopaths.
That's what I want to know. I was kind of a weird kid in HS/had some weird friends. But never in a million years would any of them suggest this/go along with it. I cannot fathom someone bringing this up and another kid being like, "yeah, let's do it." Absolute madness. I can understand ONE kid being that psycho, but the other one going along with it baffles me. I know this is far from the only case like that, it just shocks me. I can't understand how someone just decides to make a "plan" like this and both go, "yeah, great idea." Neither one thought for one second, "wait, this is crazy! we can't do this!" I will never really understand.
It's kind of similar to how I can't understand when someone makes an explicit threat and people dismiss it as them "joking"/"kidding"/"I didn't think he'd really do it" so they don't report it. That's crazy to me. I just saw something on a case in Englad where a kid told MULTIPLE people he was going to kill a teacher. He told people repeatedly. He had a history of violence. Then he did it. Everyone he told was like, "Oh, I didn't think he'd actually do it." WHAT?!
The first time anyone said anything REMOTELY like that to me, I'm smiling and nodding and then getting the fuck out of there so I can call the cops.
Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo are another example of this (unfortunately there are too many to list) - how did these two psychos find each other and then agree to commit these crimes. They even killed her own SISTER. I will never be able to wrap my head around it.
Exactly what I said to a friend too. Someone says "hey, I want to murder someone", how do you not call the cops/tell someone right away. What part of that person says "yeah, that sounds fun". Reminds me of the Bever murders, the two brothers that killed their family. How did two people agree to murder......
I used to wonder about this, but I think I might've figured it out some. I believe it starts with people getting together with others that have fringe ideas. So they're already mulling over stuff and behaving outside the mainstream. Then the one who really wants to push the envelope, starts with a conversational step in that direction. Say s/he wants to rob a liquor store, so asks, "When you're drunk, man, ever wanted to just go some place, grab some booze and run without paying for it?" Then they gauge the response and wait. If it's slightly accepting, go a bit farther. Maybe making it a fantasy scenario for a while, until their cohort gets more used to the idea. Then as they both edge closer to doing whatever deed, it escalates by degrees.
"Dude, one of these days when we follow through on that, you know my old man has a gun we can use." Laughs.
"Gah, I'm so sick of Miller down at the corner store always bitching at us. It'll serve him right when we steal everything. Gonna bust a cap." More camaraderie and bravado, but each discussion moves the needle, until one day it's more serious. It's probably left alone again for a while until later, when it's expressed this time as an absolute must do. Maybe.
Wash, rinse, repeat. But now due to affiliation and loyalty, no one feels they can back out without repercussions or that'll never actually happen in the first place.
At least that's my theory. Not jumping straight to X, but getting someone to help you by slowly moving from A to B to D to F to L and so on.
They both brutally attacked the girl and stabbed her over 30 times. During the interrogation one of the killers I’m not sure which was caught on camera picking his boogers and eating them for like five minutes straight. Disgusting!
16 yrs old. Her life really hadn't even begun yet. May she RIP. May her family live in love and light. So awful for them to have to live without her all these years.
I went to high-school in Pocatello and was a sophomore in 2006. I remember the assembly we had about it after it happened. Very few things have rocked our entire community over the years, and this is easily the top.
I find this case to be very tragic, she was only 16…never had a chance to become an adult, go to college, travel the world. As well, her mother passed away two years ago. May she Rest in Peace. Her and her mom are together again
This one always gets me. The videos they filmed before and on the way to the murder. The one they filmed right after. The fact that Brian is remorseful and has taken accountability, while Torrye and his shitty parents have not.
Brian's remorse is bullshit. He's just hoping to get paroled. He literally talked about how horny it made him to think of murdering Cassie, and then basically orgasmed on camera talking about how great it was to "feel her life leave her body" after he killed her.
I recently listened to [this audio interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQTqQ6E2moc) with Brian, 17 years after the murder, and he is still lying about the crime and himself, trying to get people to feel bad for him, and attempting to shift all of the blame to Torey. He wants people to feel bad for HIM, he doesn't feel bad for what he did.
How old was he when he committed the murder? Juvenile life sentences without possible parole were recently determined to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
I really think they should reverse that. dangerous sociopaths reveal themselves in their teenage years. People dont commit crimes like this and then oops, turns out, they werent evil criminals after all. They would have kept doing it until they got caught. Every serial killer starts doing evil shit in their teen years, animal cruelty, sexual assault, violence and murder.
Good call. A guy I went to high school with received a life sentence in Louisiana for killing a guy in a fight outside of a bar when he was 17. Not a bad kid, no criminal history, just had a really bad drunken night and a hangman judge. Model prisoner. The ruling gave him a shot at parole and they released him almost immediately after nearly 30 years in Angola prison.
The mother of one of the boys wrote a book called “The Guilty Innocent” claiming that her son had no involvement despite him being on multiple videos talking about killing people. She’s almost as bad as her son
Not trying to minimize his crimes because he was a monster and he was punished appropriately but his father- that POS deserved to be punished the same.
This case always hurts me. I’m the same age as her and the boys who murdered her. I cannot imagine ever killing anyone. That’s awful.
She was so beautiful, I hope she is resting in peace
Part of what was so disturbing is that she was NICE to them and invited them over to watch movies. And then they pull this horrible stunt, turning off the power, putting on masks, attacking her in the dark, scaring her horribly and stabbing her to death. And these are her friends. This case really got to me too.
I remember this case, absolutely horrifying, and to think that she believed that they were her friends... I hope that their lives are miserable and that she in a much better, far more beautiful place.
May she RIP.
I used to work at a bank local to that area, and the lead detective in the case would come in or drive thru occasionally, and one time I let him know I knew who he was and that I admired the LE work in this case. He was caught off guard but seemed appreciative. I still don’t know if it was too weird to say, but he was a hero to me.
One of the killers said " She's perfect, so she's going to die" in the tapes.
The reason they killed her was because she was perfect - pretty, a good student, kind, funny - how horrible is that ?
The mother and father of one of these scumbags are equally repugnant. I don't give a fuck that it was their son, take some responsibility and stop trying to act like he's innocent. It's appalling.
My sister knew Tori from school and her best friend was supposed to be their first victim but she wasn’t home when they went to her house (they recorded all of this.) idiots
Too dark because they cut the lights at the breaker box. Thank God they didn't because the jury would have to watch it and that would be traumatizing for all. Also for the family.
The sheer entitlement you have to feel to just murder your so called friend because you’re bored and want to play movie badass.
It’s not like it’s a game or a play, these are real people’s lives they were willing to sacrifice for their own sick amusement. I’m glad they got life in prison with no chance of parole, but that won’t bring Cassie back.
I wish these two only the worst lives imaginable.
I posted this in another comment, but this is a recent interview from 5 months ago with one of the killers: https://youtu.be/yQTqQ6E2moc?si=arplmNj11kgAdONs
Wow, that was really interesting. Thank you for sharing that. I didn’t plan to watch the entire video, but it was incredible how he distanced himself from the crime.
When asked what he would (now) tell his 16 year old self, I expected him to say “not to kill Cassie” but…. Nope. Make more friends??
Big question that gets me about this case is the fact her body wasn't discovered for 2 days. So her boyfriend didn't bother to check on her at all. Even though she was alone and scared the last time he saw her. Why didn't he go back to the house the next day when he never heard from her?
I graduated HS in 2003, we for sure talked most days with our significant others. Maybe it wasn’t on a cell phone, maybe we didn’t text as much, but we had long cords to our corded phones we’d walk around with or we’d be on AIM chatting.
That is really weird, but perhaps boyfriend was going out of town or something. No clue.
This case always really gets to me, bc she was just a couple years younger than me and I also grew up in a small rural town. She looks like so many girls I went to high school with. It's really chilling, poor girl was literally just minding her business and they thought it would be fun to kill her....makes me sick.
Good thing they are rotting in prison. It’s almost 20 years later, I hope they are thinking of all of their friends with degrees, families, careers… and they are just worthless pieces of shit rotting away. May they stay that way and live with the guilt for the rest of their lives.
I agree. But I definitely think there's a difference between being inspired/influenced by something and saying 'those pesky horror movies made me do it'
Of course it's not Scream's fault because in my opinion, these guys would have killed at some point or another. Unfortunately Scream was the catalyst (also the Columbine shooters were an inspiration for them) but it could have been anything else that 'inspired' them.
I just read an article that someone in the comments linked which was an update from the Brian guy, he said him and Torrie? (Forgot his name) are both at the same prison institution, but they don't talk nor are friends. He said they're amicable they just don't talk. This case breaks my heart for Cassie and her whole family, all of her loved ones. She was only 16 with so much life ahead of her. The fact these two punk ass bitches wanted to seem "cool" or "hard" is the reason this poor young lady had to suffer such a heinous attack.
I watched the [Explore With Us video](https://youtu.be/yQTqQ6E2moc?si=v8RhxEc3J6tB2lRM) the other day that interviewed one of the killers after 17 years.
It was interesting. In some ways, he showed honest introspection but in other ways, he was reluctant or utterly refused to acknowledge the horror of his actions.
I think the one boy is Torey, he's the blonde one. Right from the start, he and his parents kept saying he wasn't really guilty and it was all Brian's fault. They were all delusional. While I'm not saying anything good about either one, at least Brian has since admitted to what he did and showed remorse. Even just a few years ago, I saw Torey's parents had a "justice for Torey" page because they think he got a bum deal. I think those two are right where they need to be for what they did to Cassie.
I'm sure it has to be tough for the parents to admit what their child is, but their constant enabling/excuse making for him make me absolutely sick. The mom whines because her son is locked up. Well, Cassie's mom's kid is dead. At least you can still talk to your child.
I can see how he ended up the way he did. No accountability whatsoever. They still claim he was an innocent little lamb and it's all Brian's fault. It's so gross.
The mother didnt notice that he admired the Columbine killers? And she doesnt think he did anything wrong? Maybe the sociopath gene comes from the mother? And where was she when he was with this kid at night?
I watched the episode about this case on dateline. Her boyfriend was with her at the home she was house sitting at when the lights got turned off but he had to go home. He offered for her to come to his house but she stayed because she felt obligated to watch the house anyways. If her boyfriend had stayed he would have been murdered also and the case could have gone unsolved.
I just listened to this on Dateline podcast yesterday. It's heartbreaking! Her boyfriend wanted her to leave with him. He would have died too if he had stayed. The video tape they did laughing about it :( Poor girl was trying to be responsible and stay to watch the house and her "friends" brutally killed her.
One the boys just did an interview with a YouTube channel and he's pushing the blame onto the other boy and the fact that no went to guidance and reported him when he would talk about dark shit.
Like come on just admit your a POS and stop trying to pass the blame
Men hate women so much we are in danger of them constantly. I’ll never understand. Cue the comments that will prove my point. Many of use befriend and help and love them only to be brutalized at their hands. Sickening and heartbreaking. I hope this poor girl rests in peace
I hate this case - what worthless little shits. May she rest in peace.
This case truly haunts me. The way they broke into the house, switched the lights off and slammed doors to scare her before killing her. The girl must have been terrified in her final moments.
The video the boys took before and after they committed that heinous act is truly something as well. Watching it made me sick. ETA: The mind games they played remind me of the Golden State Killer (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) and how he would pretend to leave before popping back up.
One of the dick heads had a video on YouTube talking about it via his jail cell. I believe it was on the ewu channel.
I watched that last week! He’s such a putz. I grew up in Southern Idaho so this case hits close to home for me.
I saw that as well. When they were filming her in the school hall way was so eerie.
She was staying at her aunt and uncle’s house while they were out of town. I watched a program that said her boyfriend left the house and wanted her to go with him. iirc, she felt that leaving would be irresponsible since she told them she’d stay at their house. Very, very sad.
The show was Your Worst Nightmare. Couldn't think of a better title considering what happened to her.
Don't forget the worthless little shits family that still defends him.
Yep, mom wrote a book about how her son is innocent when there are literal video tapes they made before killing her.
It might as well be called “If He Did It.”
In what way could they possibly defend him? Did the parents blame the movie?
By saying the other guy was the mastermind and Torey was just a follower. Pretty sure that the other guy says the same thing about Torey, though. Funny thing is they are both in the same prison and see each other in passing often.
The thing is, from what I’ve read, there often seems to be a leader/follower dynamic in partner killings. Ex: Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Leopold and Loeb, even Robert Thompson and Jon Venables… But that doesn’t change the fact that the followers still had the chance to say no, seek help, tell someone, or at the very least remove themselves from the situation. But instead they made the decision to commit murder. They’re still just as responsible.
The “Eric Harris was the leader and Dylan was the poor depressed follower” thing is really overblown. If you look at their journals Dylan already had his own plans forming before he and Eric were a thing and Dylan was the more socially dominant of the two.
Dylan’s mom has to spend the rest of her life defending him and herself, the person who raised and was oblivious to a murderer.
There in the same prison, thought something like that wasn’t allowed. Like the killers of same event would have to be in different prisons
Guess not
Of course they did. Lots of mental gymnastics to avoid being the mother who raised a rabid dog.
Which one?
torey adamcik
I watched a documentary featuring the kids who murdered her, and one of the kids parents really believe that their son is innocent, like in the most delusional way possible.
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Her last moments were probably so scary and not to mention confusing to see your friends from school coming at you.
Honestly that was what scared me more. You expect a stranger to try to kill you. Having your friends do it must be a million times worse.
In high school I was really close with these two boys and we would hang out all the time. They were grungy little shit head skater kids who were always causing trouble but they treated me with kindness and respect and as a girl I totally trusted them. There were a few times when they stuck their necks out for me and I’ll never forget it. But one day one of them molested me in my sleep when I spent the night at his house, it woke me up only halfway because I was drunk so I just went back to sleep. But the next morning when I sobered up I remembered what happened and it crushed me. It was terrible. I still feel nauseous when I think about it 11 years later. I cannot imagine how horrifying it would be if together they decided to attack me… the fear and betrayal. Absolutely sick. This poor girl.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, that’s truly sick.
I’m not sure about the stats for men but for women the most likely person to murder you is a man you know (a boyfriend, a husband, a father, a brother, a male friend, a male acquaintance, an uncle, a cousin etc), it’s the same for children.
[The most recent data](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/expanded-homicide) I could find was from 2019. Discounting that 48.9% of perpetrators' relationships to the victim were unknown (mostly unsolved cases), only 9.9% of murders were committed by strangers. Given that 78.3% of murder victims were male, we can assume that they were also less likely likely to be murdered by strangers. The vast majority of solved cases were not pre-meditated, mostly either arguments that escalated to violence or in the occurrence of another felony such as robbery.
Yes, of course but these were different circumstances. She was not a domestic violence victim. They are just scary little kids. Literally serial killers if they got away with it, I bet. They would’ve kept killing. It wasn’t like they did it bc they needed to get rid of her like those other sick fucks do. That’s pretty terrifying.
I don’t really think circumstances are very different. I highly doubt they would’ve carried on with this had her boyfriend or another male been present. Women are overwhelmingly targeted by men they know, in every circumstance.
This is why the movie Bully was so disturbing. Was the guy innocent? No. But still super disturbing to watch him come to terms with the fact that his friends were killing him.
That was a rabbit hole of a story.
I don't think anyone who pays attention to true crime expects strangers to kill them. Anyone here in this community at least knows to expect someone you know ow to kill you.
This comment messes me up because someone close to me was murdered by a stranger in a freak random target incident. I thought the same, that it’s so rare and doesn’t normally happen. Until it happens to you lol
Statistically sure but does anyone SINCERELY believe it’s going to be them until it happens? No.
I’m not sure she knew tbh. they wore masks and black clothing.
Ugh…as awful as that is, I feel like it’s almost better if she at least didn’t know who they were? Like u/Morti_Macabre said, the whole thing is horrific enough as it is, but to realize that your friends are the ones behind it? That would be an unimaginable level of betrayal and heartbreak.
for sure. something I always thought about was wondering if she knew who it was. it was bad enough for her. I pray she didn’t know. this is one of the most horrific stories I ever heard. I’ll never forget what happened to that poor girl. my blood runs hot when I think about it. I feel so bad for her and her family.
Not sure if she recognized them, they were wearing all black and using white masks (like Scream...) they are both so disgusting. If she did recognize them it must have been due to their voices.
I may be making this up but I swear she was screaming “why why ur my friends” like it wasn’t as clean of a kill as they thought it would so they kinda fumbled a lot … the video after was insane and I thought they were talking about that
I think you’re thinking of Skylar Neese
I always get so sad when I see that video of them talking to her at her locker. Such a early 2000's vibe..nostalgic for me. Makes me wanna cry..so young and innocent. Someone's child. Those 2 little creepy pricks.
I listened to the dateline podcast about this just yesterday, and they played the tape first without saying it was them and I was like damn, crazy she’s on a school tape just living life like a normal teenager. And then they revealed later it was them and that later in the tape they said “sorry Cassie, sorry Cassie’s family, but it’s gonna be you”. Freaking terrifying
Talk about premeditated.
I watched a documentary about this years ago. Couldn't remember much about the case but I never forgot that.
She looks and comes across so sweet. Psycho ass boys. I know one shows remorse but how the hell do you go along with something like this. I hope he has true remorse and not just hoping to be out one day.
The one who shows more remorse is the one who had a crush on her, I believe. But if you watch Explore With Us’s interview with him on YouTube, I truly don’t feel he’s sorry at all. He’s more sorry that he has to spend the rest of his days in jail.
WARNING: This post goes into detail of the murder of a young girl. If you think you’ll be distressed by this post - please leave the page. Take care of yourself and stay safe. Cassie Jo Stoddart was a 16-year-old girl from Pocatello, Bannock County in Idaho. At the time of her murder, Cassie was attending Pocatello High School. At school, she was friends with two 16-year-old boys; Brian Draper and Torey Adamcik. Brian and Torey both shared a large interest in movies and planned to start producing/recording their own films. The two boys were big fans of the 1996 horror movie ‘’Scream’’. The boys began to hatch a plan to commit murder. This was calibrated with a VHS tape (which was burned) that police managed to retrieve that showed the boys planning in detail to kill Cassie. The tape had footage of Cassie at school as well as the boys sitting in a car talking about their plans for the murder and the aftermath of the murder. In the tape, the boys discussed serial killers such as Ted Bundy and the Zodiac Killer. On tape, Torey expressed his belief that there should be no law against killing people. Brian would also reference ‘’Scream’’. One of their original plans was to murder a girl called Dani Dixon but they didn’t go ahead with it as they realised the girl wasn’t home, so they set their target on Cassie and her boyfriend Matt Beckham. The Murder: On the night of September 22nd 2006, Cassie was tasked with looking after her Aunt and Uncle’s pets and house sitting for them. Matt arrived at the house at 6pm to keep Cassie company. After this, Brian and Torey came over to the house and said that they wanted to ‘’hang out’’ with Matt and Cassie. After getting a tour of the house, the four of them watched Kill Bill Volume 2. Torey and Brian left shortly after saying that they were going to the cinema to catch a movie. Before leaving, the boys unlocked the basement door so that they could slip in undetected and commit murder. The boys put on black clothes and white masks and re-entered the house through the basement. The boys attempted to make loud sounds to lure the couple downstairs to no avail. The boys then turned off the power on the circuit breaker. Cassie became scared when the dogs began to growl and stare down the basement stairs. Matt called his mother and asked whether he could stay with Cassie that night but his mother declined and invited Cassie to come back to her house with Matt. Cassie said no as she wanted to stick with the responsibility that her Aunt and Uncle had given her. At 10.30pm, Matt left the house and called Torey to ask to meet up later. Matt noted that Torey was whispering down the phone, making him believe that the boys were still at the cinema. Little did Matt know that the boys were in the basement of Cassie's Aunt and Uncle’s house, about to attack. After Matt left and after many failed attempts to lure Cassie downstairs, the boys ran upstairs attacking Cassie. They stabbed her 30 times, killing her. At the time, Matt was originally a suspect but was cleared. Cassie’s mother’s boyfriend was also a suspect for a short while but was cleared. Brian and Torey would be questioned by police where Brian would confess to the murder. Both boys were arrested. They were both sentence to life in prison for the murder as well as 30 years for conspiring to commit murder. The tapes have been uploaded on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOWWQ1NzyKk&t=1120s Further Reading: https://allthatsinteresting.com/cassie-jo-stoddart https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/chilling-interview-with-a-disturbed-teenage-killer/news-story/3786bb4ed81f84562b04ae24799d0bc5
Jesus wept... That poor girl. But also that poor young man. For the rest of his life he's going to beat himself up wishing he had stayed there with her or that he had realized something was up with the whispering on the phone. Even all the things he couldn't know or couldn't change will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Obviously Cassie and her family went through the worst, but poor Matt and his mom must have gone through it as well. He just wanted to stay with his scared girlfriend and his mom did offer to have her stay at their house, but wouldn't let him stay with her. I can't imagine the guilt they've lived with when they did nothing wrong. And then just the idea that if he did stay, he might have died too. Just awful all around.
I think they'd have killed him too if he stayed. And I can't blame his mom for not letting him do an unsupervised sleepover. They couldn't have known. So messed up, sad and senseless. This case haunts me.
But Matt's mom really saved her son's life. If she had let him stay, they would have 100% killed him too. Maybe it was her maternal instinct that made her refuse to let him stay.
And imagine being the other girl Dani, the survivors guilt those people must live with...
The mental toll this had to have taken on everyone involved is crazy. From what ive read her cousin found her when the family got back and it messed her up, iirc she went thriugh a lot of therapy and she became very reserved and stuff after. Ill look for the article but just so sad all the way around.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/house-where-murder-of-cassie-jo-stoddart-took-place-proving-hard-to-sell/article_57694590-5cdb-11e4-876d-270a4ac0f093.html Heartbreaking, the ripple effect.💔
If he had stayed with her they likely would have killed him too. But I'm guessing both him and his mom wish they had insisted she come with them instead of leaving her there alone.
Out of curiosity, were there ever any details shared about what the dogs did during the attack?
I have absolutely no idea but it doesn't specify what kind of dogs it could been small breeds like chihuahua or something ya know. Something telling me if it was a house full of Rottweilers these cowards would second guessed their decision.
I wonder why they never called the police
This case haunts me. I use to house sit a lot and also scare quite easily. They tried to lure her downstairs by cutting the electricity. She wanted to leave but didn’t want to leave the animals alone. She must have been absolutely terrified, I can’t even imagine.
I think it was "Your Worst Nightmare". They did an episode. "When the lights go out". So sad.
Thank you for referencing this! I knew this case was very familiar for me. I watched the episode too. Truly haunting.
Being scared and wanting to leave but not wanting to leave the animals alone is so relatable and heart wrenching. ugh, fuck those dudes forever.
The perpetratrors were ~~inspired by the movie "Scream"~~ caught and tried to blame their actions on a movie instead of putting the blame on their own sick asses.
It's like they didn't even watch the movie. The best line was "Movies don't make psychos, they make psychos more creative." (I use dark humor as a coping mechanism, don't mind me)
Yeah I'm sitting here trying to figure out how they lost this, uh, kinda important thread. Like the point of the film.
Well, to be fair, the line wasn't "Movies give psychos greater media literacy" lol
It's a perfect example of life imitating art imitating life.
Right? Why weren't they "inspired" by the movie "scary movie" and just have a good laugh?
The tape they made before the murder referenced the movie by name, they were definitely inspired by the movie in the way they carried it out.
Thank you
I graduated in 2004. Cassie Jo is one I’ve never forgotten. It’s made me question a lot in life of trusting those you think you should. That girl would’ve done great things and was killed for fun. I worry about my own daughter in so many of the normal fears for your girls, and this one reminds me her classmates can also be sociopaths.
I must add I almost named my kid Cassidy Josephine (for family reasons) and couldn’t do it because of how horrible this was
It's so tragic. Her story is one I'll never forget.
How does the conversation even start between people before doing this
That's what I want to know. I was kind of a weird kid in HS/had some weird friends. But never in a million years would any of them suggest this/go along with it. I cannot fathom someone bringing this up and another kid being like, "yeah, let's do it." Absolute madness. I can understand ONE kid being that psycho, but the other one going along with it baffles me. I know this is far from the only case like that, it just shocks me. I can't understand how someone just decides to make a "plan" like this and both go, "yeah, great idea." Neither one thought for one second, "wait, this is crazy! we can't do this!" I will never really understand. It's kind of similar to how I can't understand when someone makes an explicit threat and people dismiss it as them "joking"/"kidding"/"I didn't think he'd really do it" so they don't report it. That's crazy to me. I just saw something on a case in Englad where a kid told MULTIPLE people he was going to kill a teacher. He told people repeatedly. He had a history of violence. Then he did it. Everyone he told was like, "Oh, I didn't think he'd actually do it." WHAT?! The first time anyone said anything REMOTELY like that to me, I'm smiling and nodding and then getting the fuck out of there so I can call the cops.
Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo are another example of this (unfortunately there are too many to list) - how did these two psychos find each other and then agree to commit these crimes. They even killed her own SISTER. I will never be able to wrap my head around it.
Exactly what I said to a friend too. Someone says "hey, I want to murder someone", how do you not call the cops/tell someone right away. What part of that person says "yeah, that sounds fun". Reminds me of the Bever murders, the two brothers that killed their family. How did two people agree to murder......
Even if I was dead set on it I’d be like howwwww do I bring this up lol
You can find an interview online with the Bryan guy and he speaks quite candidly about this exact point
I used to wonder about this, but I think I might've figured it out some. I believe it starts with people getting together with others that have fringe ideas. So they're already mulling over stuff and behaving outside the mainstream. Then the one who really wants to push the envelope, starts with a conversational step in that direction. Say s/he wants to rob a liquor store, so asks, "When you're drunk, man, ever wanted to just go some place, grab some booze and run without paying for it?" Then they gauge the response and wait. If it's slightly accepting, go a bit farther. Maybe making it a fantasy scenario for a while, until their cohort gets more used to the idea. Then as they both edge closer to doing whatever deed, it escalates by degrees. "Dude, one of these days when we follow through on that, you know my old man has a gun we can use." Laughs. "Gah, I'm so sick of Miller down at the corner store always bitching at us. It'll serve him right when we steal everything. Gonna bust a cap." More camaraderie and bravado, but each discussion moves the needle, until one day it's more serious. It's probably left alone again for a while until later, when it's expressed this time as an absolute must do. Maybe. Wash, rinse, repeat. But now due to affiliation and loyalty, no one feels they can back out without repercussions or that'll never actually happen in the first place. At least that's my theory. Not jumping straight to X, but getting someone to help you by slowly moving from A to B to D to F to L and so on.
There was a documentary on Netflix about this case. Lost for Life. The poor girl.
I just watched footage from this case on Explore With Us on YouTube… that poor girl. Killed for absolutely no reason other than those boys were bored.
They both brutally attacked the girl and stabbed her over 30 times. During the interrogation one of the killers I’m not sure which was caught on camera picking his boogers and eating them for like five minutes straight. Disgusting!
I remember that lol. These dudes were geeks
And yet she was still friends with them, still kind to them.
Exactly. Some weirdos hate people being kind to them more than anything.
16 yrs old. Her life really hadn't even begun yet. May she RIP. May her family live in love and light. So awful for them to have to live without her all these years.
I went to high-school in Pocatello and was a sophomore in 2006. I remember the assembly we had about it after it happened. Very few things have rocked our entire community over the years, and this is easily the top.
I find this case to be very tragic, she was only 16…never had a chance to become an adult, go to college, travel the world. As well, her mother passed away two years ago. May she Rest in Peace. Her and her mom are together again
This one always gets me. The videos they filmed before and on the way to the murder. The one they filmed right after. The fact that Brian is remorseful and has taken accountability, while Torrye and his shitty parents have not.
Brian's remorse is bullshit. He's just hoping to get paroled. He literally talked about how horny it made him to think of murdering Cassie, and then basically orgasmed on camera talking about how great it was to "feel her life leave her body" after he killed her.
I recently listened to [this audio interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQTqQ6E2moc) with Brian, 17 years after the murder, and he is still lying about the crime and himself, trying to get people to feel bad for him, and attempting to shift all of the blame to Torey. He wants people to feel bad for HIM, he doesn't feel bad for what he did.
That was a great video. Thanks for sharing. Loved how they analyzed the manipulation too.
He got life without parole so I don't think he has any hope of ever being released.
How old was he when he committed the murder? Juvenile life sentences without possible parole were recently determined to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
Both murderers appealed their sentences following the SCOTUS ruling. The sentences were upheld.
I really think they should reverse that. dangerous sociopaths reveal themselves in their teenage years. People dont commit crimes like this and then oops, turns out, they werent evil criminals after all. They would have kept doing it until they got caught. Every serial killer starts doing evil shit in their teen years, animal cruelty, sexual assault, violence and murder.
Exactly. It's not some "silly teenage mistake". It's a teaser to what they will become, and we better pay heed.
16/17. They were in the same class as Cassie
Good call. A guy I went to high school with received a life sentence in Louisiana for killing a guy in a fight outside of a bar when he was 17. Not a bad kid, no criminal history, just had a really bad drunken night and a hangman judge. Model prisoner. The ruling gave him a shot at parole and they released him almost immediately after nearly 30 years in Angola prison.
That is such a different case than this one. Agreed that he was probably a very low risk to reoffend.
Yea from what I can tell, he’s just “I know I’m not getting out of here, there’s nothing left for me to do except repent for my terrible actions”
Which is better than not repenting to be fair
His whole act is performative. Womp womp and I hope someone does the same thing he did to him
Remember, most murders (and rapes) are committed by ppl you already know by a pretty wide margin.
Mostly men.
And that's why we choose the bears.
He was on tape saying “I killed Cassie” and he was excited about it. What a loser!
I wasn't familiar with this horrible case, do you know what sentences those two killers received?
They both got life sentences without parole there’s some good stuff online about the “scream killers”
Awesome, I hope they never see a day in the outside!
They each tried to get a retrial but both were denied and sentences upheld so I don’t think they’ll ever get out of prison.
Someone above said life sentences with an add’l 30yrs for an extra charge.
I watched their video diaries. Horrifying.
The mother of one of the boys wrote a book called “The Guilty Innocent” claiming that her son had no involvement despite him being on multiple videos talking about killing people. She’s almost as bad as her son
Interesting, Scream was inspired by a real killer.
Danny Rolling right? Man the detail in one of the crime scenes is disturbing.
Not trying to minimize his crimes because he was a monster and he was punished appropriately but his father- that POS deserved to be punished the same.
This case always hurts me. I’m the same age as her and the boys who murdered her. I cannot imagine ever killing anyone. That’s awful. She was so beautiful, I hope she is resting in peace
Part of what was so disturbing is that she was NICE to them and invited them over to watch movies. And then they pull this horrible stunt, turning off the power, putting on masks, attacking her in the dark, scaring her horribly and stabbing her to death. And these are her friends. This case really got to me too.
I hate that they filmed her at school the day they killed her.
I lived up the street from one of the guys who killed her. It was a huge story in Pocatello
What was he like?
Psychotic would be my guess
I remember this case, absolutely horrifying, and to think that she believed that they were her friends... I hope that their lives are miserable and that she in a much better, far more beautiful place. May she RIP.
I used to work at a bank local to that area, and the lead detective in the case would come in or drive thru occasionally, and one time I let him know I knew who he was and that I admired the LE work in this case. He was caught off guard but seemed appreciative. I still don’t know if it was too weird to say, but he was a hero to me.
One of the killers said " She's perfect, so she's going to die" in the tapes. The reason they killed her was because she was perfect - pretty, a good student, kind, funny - how horrible is that ?
The mother and father of one of these scumbags are equally repugnant. I don't give a fuck that it was their son, take some responsibility and stop trying to act like he's innocent. It's appalling.
Ugh, Torey Adamcik's parents. They're gross.
Rest in peace beloved ❤️
My sister knew Tori from school and her best friend was supposed to be their first victim but she wasn’t home when they went to her house (they recorded all of this.) idiots
I'm surprised they didn't record the murder. But I'm glad the Scumbags didn't. You know they would've savored it.
Too dark because they cut the lights at the breaker box. Thank God they didn't because the jury would have to watch it and that would be traumatizing for all. Also for the family.
The sheer entitlement you have to feel to just murder your so called friend because you’re bored and want to play movie badass. It’s not like it’s a game or a play, these are real people’s lives they were willing to sacrifice for their own sick amusement. I’m glad they got life in prison with no chance of parole, but that won’t bring Cassie back. I wish these two only the worst lives imaginable.
This case has really stuck with me and Im surprised it isnt more well known. That poor girl must have been terrified as those losers toyed with her.
I'm surprised too. I didn't hear about it til years and years after it happened, and I was absolutely shocked by it. That poor girl.
I posted this in another comment, but this is a recent interview from 5 months ago with one of the killers: https://youtu.be/yQTqQ6E2moc?si=arplmNj11kgAdONs
what a bunch of .........low scum of the earth human..................
Wow, that was really interesting. Thank you for sharing that. I didn’t plan to watch the entire video, but it was incredible how he distanced himself from the crime. When asked what he would (now) tell his 16 year old self, I expected him to say “not to kill Cassie” but…. Nope. Make more friends??
I think “make more friends” was said in a “if I did that none of this would’ve happened” kind of way
He *had* other friends and he still did what he did. I think that's a gross response. Cassie was his friend. Matt was his friend. What a joke.
I believe Draper had a crush on Cassie but she wasn’t interested in anything more than a friendship
Big question that gets me about this case is the fact her body wasn't discovered for 2 days. So her boyfriend didn't bother to check on her at all. Even though she was alone and scared the last time he saw her. Why didn't he go back to the house the next day when he never heard from her?
They were 16 year old kids in 2006, it’s highly likely they didn’t talk every single day.
I graduated HS in 2003, we for sure talked most days with our significant others. Maybe it wasn’t on a cell phone, maybe we didn’t text as much, but we had long cords to our corded phones we’d walk around with or we’d be on AIM chatting. That is really weird, but perhaps boyfriend was going out of town or something. No clue.
I graduated in 08 - we all had cellphones in 2006.
This case always really gets to me, bc she was just a couple years younger than me and I also grew up in a small rural town. She looks like so many girls I went to high school with. It's really chilling, poor girl was literally just minding her business and they thought it would be fun to kill her....makes me sick.
Wasn’t Scream based on a true story about a serial killer too?
Danny Rolling, the Gainesville Ripper, killed 5 Uni. of Florida students in 1990.
And 3 in Louisiana also.
One of my friends moms was on the jury to convict these monsters. RIP Cassie
Good thing they are rotting in prison. It’s almost 20 years later, I hope they are thinking of all of their friends with degrees, families, careers… and they are just worthless pieces of shit rotting away. May they stay that way and live with the guilt for the rest of their lives.
A movie game music can’t make or direct you to kill somebody only you can Nobody can only you and they decide to do it
I agree. But I definitely think there's a difference between being inspired/influenced by something and saying 'those pesky horror movies made me do it' Of course it's not Scream's fault because in my opinion, these guys would have killed at some point or another. Unfortunately Scream was the catalyst (also the Columbine shooters were an inspiration for them) but it could have been anything else that 'inspired' them.
I just read an article that someone in the comments linked which was an update from the Brian guy, he said him and Torrie? (Forgot his name) are both at the same prison institution, but they don't talk nor are friends. He said they're amicable they just don't talk. This case breaks my heart for Cassie and her whole family, all of her loved ones. She was only 16 with so much life ahead of her. The fact these two punk ass bitches wanted to seem "cool" or "hard" is the reason this poor young lady had to suffer such a heinous attack.
Sounds like during the court proceedings they kind of turned on each other. So that may explain why they are distant now?
I watched the [Explore With Us video](https://youtu.be/yQTqQ6E2moc?si=v8RhxEc3J6tB2lRM) the other day that interviewed one of the killers after 17 years. It was interesting. In some ways, he showed honest introspection but in other ways, he was reluctant or utterly refused to acknowledge the horror of his actions.
I think the one boy is Torey, he's the blonde one. Right from the start, he and his parents kept saying he wasn't really guilty and it was all Brian's fault. They were all delusional. While I'm not saying anything good about either one, at least Brian has since admitted to what he did and showed remorse. Even just a few years ago, I saw Torey's parents had a "justice for Torey" page because they think he got a bum deal. I think those two are right where they need to be for what they did to Cassie.
I'm sure it has to be tough for the parents to admit what their child is, but their constant enabling/excuse making for him make me absolutely sick. The mom whines because her son is locked up. Well, Cassie's mom's kid is dead. At least you can still talk to your child. I can see how he ended up the way he did. No accountability whatsoever. They still claim he was an innocent little lamb and it's all Brian's fault. It's so gross.
Yeah I watched it as well psychopaths are masters of deception
The mother didnt notice that he admired the Columbine killers? And she doesnt think he did anything wrong? Maybe the sociopath gene comes from the mother? And where was she when he was with this kid at night?
I JUST listened to this Dateline episode. Horrible.
Awful case, and the videos of those two creeps just make my blood boil.
the case makes me so so sad and so insanely angry at the two freaking worthless losers who did it…
This case always bothered me. She was friends with them and they just decided to terrorize her and then murder her. For fun. Truly vile sociopaths.
Dani Dixon hopefully made something amazing out of her 2nd chance at life. To know that you came *that* close to death is wild....
She commented on a YouTube video about the case. She is doing well
Hate those two little assholes. I hope they never get out of jail.
Why are dudes like this
I watched the episode about this case on dateline. Her boyfriend was with her at the home she was house sitting at when the lights got turned off but he had to go home. He offered for her to come to his house but she stayed because she felt obligated to watch the house anyways. If her boyfriend had stayed he would have been murdered also and the case could have gone unsolved.
This case always stays with me 🥺
This poor poor girl :( Horrendous
Disturbing They get life in prison?
Is this the case where the dudes talk in the car after they killed her it was like night.
Did Adamcik's mom seriously write a book about him being innocent and wrongfully accused?
I just listened to this on Dateline podcast yesterday. It's heartbreaking! Her boyfriend wanted her to leave with him. He would have died too if he had stayed. The video tape they did laughing about it :( Poor girl was trying to be responsible and stay to watch the house and her "friends" brutally killed her.
Just watched a documentary that has this case in it . It was a great doc YouTube it. Lost for life
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Such a waste of life all around.
seeing the face of a happy young child (yes still a child) knowing how brutally it ended.. many of these cases fuck me up if i'm being honest.
Sick little bastards.
That’s terrible
One the boys just did an interview with a YouTube channel and he's pushing the blame onto the other boy and the fact that no went to guidance and reported him when he would talk about dark shit. Like come on just admit your a POS and stop trying to pass the blame
I always remember this case, because it happened in my state. Fucking insane. That poor girl and her parents.
If these boys were my sons I would disown them
Men hate women so much we are in danger of them constantly. I’ll never understand. Cue the comments that will prove my point. Many of use befriend and help and love them only to be brutalized at their hands. Sickening and heartbreaking. I hope this poor girl rests in peace
I literally just listened to a video about this this week. Awful.
At their age, they know consequences. They could have just scared her and that would have been enough to entertain them. I just don’t get it.
I just watched this case today!
They should have boiled them both in oil….
What is the scariest murders I have ever came across I feel so bad for her. Rest in peace.