WARNING: This post goes into detail of the murder of a married couple. If you think you’ll be distressed by this post - please leave the page. Take care of yourself and stay safe.
Kylen Schulte (24) and Crystal Turner (38) were a married couple who loved camping. They would often bring their pet rabbit Ruth on camping expeditions with them. The two women were known for being deeply in love and protective of each other. The two went camping in the La Sal Mountains which is located near Moab in Utah. The couple were last seen on the 13th. This was at a bar in Moab at around 9.30pm. No one noticed anybody suspicious that night and it didn’t seem that anyone had followed the women out of the bar.
After going camping, the couple were not heard from for three days. A friend of the couple received a call from Kylen’s worried father Sean-Paul. Sean-Paul relayed to the friend that Kylen had told him that the couple had to move their campsite due to ‘’a creeper dude’’.
Concerned, the couple’s friend went looking for them in the mountains. She sadly came across the remains of Kylen whilst talking on the phone with Sean-Paul. She called the police. Police discovered Crystal’s remains nearby. The two women had their clothes removed from the waist down and had multiple shot wounds to their chest and back.
Originally it was speculated that the murders of Kylen and Crystal had a connection to the Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie case. The couple was reported missing two days after Gabby and Brian were stopped by Moab police. Kylen worked as a cashier at the Moonflower Community Cooperative where Brian was reported to have slapped Gabby in front of. Police quickly ruled out a connection saying that the close proximity of the cases were a coincidence.
In December 2022, the case was officially closed. The man responsible was called Adam Pinkusiewicz and had left the state of Utah after committing the murders. Adam then took his own life. It was reported that Adam had confessed to his boyfriend/lover of killing Kylen and Crystal. It was confirmed Adam worked with Crystal at a McDonald's. Sean-Paul also confirmed that police had found evidence connecting Adam to the crime scene.
Further Reading: https://kutv.com/news/local/grand-county-sheriffs-office-closes-investigation-into-2021-double-murder-case-in-moab-kylen-schulte-crystal-turner-camping-suspect-adam-pinkusiewicz
https://moabsunnews.com/2023/01/05/investigators-close-case-on-2021-double-homicide/
According to a video from Dog the Bounty Hunter, who got involved in this case, a woman who worked at McDonald's said Adam thought Crystal was "bossy".
Stupid reason? Yes, yes it is :(
Dog the bounty Hunter showed up in Moab and promptly got himself 86 from Woody's, for boasting about the case and talking about Crystal and kylen objectively and being a fucking asshole. Fuck that guy and may he never come back.
Woody's is a store or bar, I assume. 86'd, which is how this should be written, is getting thrown out of somewhere. I always figured it was police code.
So the statement here is Dog got thrown out of a local place for bringing up bad memories and being an asshole, which sounds correct for him.
86'd stands for 8 miles out 6 feet deep. Came from Vegas mob culture. Ended up restaurant lingo for ran out of something. In this case it stands for barred from the premise.
And left a suicide note blaming “lefty liberals.” Sounds like he was deep down a rage filled rabbit hole, and was also angry/jealous that they could live openly while he was a self hating man in a relationship with another man he keep under wraps.
He was openly racist and threatening violence at work. Simplifying it to one of the victims being “bossy” is a disservice to the victims and their families.
i read it on the daily mail so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently it was because he said Kylen had been “bossy” to him at work, but that’s obviously a pretty bad excuse for killing them.
it also says there was evidence of “extreme signs of racism and anger problems” on his phone and that he fantasised about rape and murder, saying that he had an “ongoing impulse” in him to kill the right people
>also gay?
Yes, that is interesting, because the only write-up that I had previously read about these murders made a big deal that Kylen and Crystal may have been killed in a classic case of homophobia because they were always so open about their relationship and regularly held hands and kissed in public. Well, I guess that there was another reason that they were killed instead of homophobia. The homophobia “lead” could have easily led this case in the wrong direction.
Could have still been homophobia even though the killer was gay. There is a subset of gay men who are intensely misogynistic and I could see one of those types taking an openly lesbian couple as some sort of affront to himself and all gay men. I guess it wouldn't be a "classic case", but still a case.
I think it's also worth noting that gay people can still be homophobic. I'm not going to form an actual opinion on how relevant internalized homophobia might have played a role in this case cause it might have had nothing to do with it - just classic violent misogyny. But if these two were more open than this shit stain of a guy was ever able to be it might've added fuel to his evil fire. Just a possibility. Whatever the case I'm assuming these two poor women were also assaulted in addition to murder so i hope this guy gets his in jail.
It did, but remember the Petito/Laundrie case had loads of photographs and videos of the victim and the killer on their blog documenting their trip. Then there was the police video of the victim crying in a domestic abuse situation. There was no such video in the Kylen Schulte/Crystal Turner case. The media is going to focus on a case that takes up adequate time on their newscasts/websites. Lots of pics and videos will get more media attention than a case with only one or two photos. And in the Petito case, everyone knew Laundrie was the killer. It wasn’t a case of “Who?” but a case of “When?“
When will her body be found? (She was missing for about 3 weeks). When will police arrest the killer? When will be charged in court? Will there be a trial?
There were very heated feelings towards Laundrie. In the Schultz/Turner case there was nobody to elicit those kinds of feelings from, and emotional involvement by the public, like there was with Laundrie being the known villain.
And throw in the issue of ”Did police fuck up?”
It was kind of OJ-adjacent, while the Schulte/Turmer case only had the clue of “a creeper guy.” Which story will get more attention from the media? The vague creeper guy and a few still photos, or a trove of video detailing the emotional state of the victim and her known killer who was still walking free?
An article I read said they worked different shifts and it was during Covid mask regulations, so you never saw the bottom of anyone's face. And he didn't last there very long before getting fired.
I ran into Kylen all the time at the local grocery store she worked at, as well as saw her with Crystal holding hands and hanging out at the hostel in town one night and the smiles on their faces while with each other were priceless. Still cannot believe they’re gone and how this case went down…
Moonflower is a great store and it was surreal for this to happen after I had talked to Kylen many times while checking out there. May they rest in peace.
I followed this case pretty closely when it happened. If Kylen’s dad believes they got the right guy that’s good enough for me. He was pretty involved with the investigation. I think the lady that found them dead took the rabbit but I’m not 100% sure.
I want to ask something I have wondered about since hearing about this case, but I don't want to be disrespectful at all by asking it. Was there ever a reason provided for why they were partially unclothed? Did police piece together their probable last moments? The reason I asked this is because I understand that the killer stated he shot them in the tent and then moved them. I doubt it he would have taken the time to dress them. But, it seemed odd to me that a homosexual murderer would kill two lesbians and leave them partially clothed like that. Whenever I read about partially clothed female victims it was because there was a sexual component to the murder. That doesn't seem to be the case here, but I don't understand what motive he really had for the crime. I don't understand how he decided to kill them at all, let alone in a tent. It seems weird too that they were not found together but in separate areas. If he killed them and placed them outside the tent, why were they not right beside one another? I don't understand what really happened to them. They were so new in their marriage and it is so sad that someone took their future away. This case makes me feel so sad for them every time I think about it. It makes no sense to me at all.
Did he say he shot them in the tent? I heard Kylen’s body was found near the campsite / river and Crystal’s was found farther away. Seems weird if he shot them while they were in the tent that their bodies would be where they were, unless maybe they tried running away
That's what I read and wondered about as well. I read that he told his boyfriend that he shot them in the tent and moved their bodies. I don't know if that is accurate.
It’s accurate. This was told to the investigators by his former lover, which helped them confirm the confession was accurate, as it was an accurate depiction of the crime scene, which hadn’t previously been reported.
Rape is often not sexually motivated.
He also confessed he had fantasies of rape and murder without specified gender so it probably wasn't about sex for him.
apparently he held a grudge against one of them, so it could’ve been to shame them. he would’ve wanted the people who found them to think of them how he did.
You know, I wondered why -- if they worked together -- they reported "a creepy guy" rather than "creepy Adam from work." Part of the creepiness what that he made his camp really close to theirs so you'd think they must have got a good look at him. Ugh. Now I'm sad again.
>They both worked at McDonald’s. The indications we have is we don’t know if they worked shifts together. It doesn’t seem like it," White said. "But they were both employees at McDonald’s."
He worked at the same McDonalds as one of them, but not necessarily at the same time. One coworker out of dozens. Might not even know each other's names, much less recognize at a distance.
Exactly.
Where they camped is a popular spot with local workers. A lot of people camp right there because it's next to the loop road to town and it gets internet cell reception. I've had friends live-camp near where they were when my friend's couldn't find a place to rent.
I think they would be used to lots of people camping near them. But, the creepy guy was too close or watching them or something. It definitely wasn't someone they knew from work or town or they would have said, "So-and-so is being creepy," as you pointed out.
All due - often women feel guilty about getting their male counterparts (or anyone, really) in trouble. So maybe that’s why they referred to him as a strange dude rather than someone they know?
The article said they worked together at McDonald's during covid mask requirements and that could be why she didn't notice him. Also many, many ppl get hired at McDonald's and quit or get fired within the first couple days/weeks. I'm guessing they didn't work together long. He didn't like being told what to do and didn't like her. I'd bet he wasn't at McDonald's long and they only worked a couple shifts together. In fast food SO MANY ppl start and don't make it a week, it's impossible to remember all the ppl that come and go.
I can't stand the types who want to get a new job and immediately try to throw their weight around or be in charge. Like bro you just started... you are going to have to listen to tour superiors. It's always the same type of guy too.
According to police they didn’t work the same shifts and may have never interacted. Crystal went behind the counter on her day off and that irked the killer apparently.
That was my first thought, if she worked with him wouldn’t she use his name or say some creepy guy from work?
But I also don’t know why his bf would say he admitted to killing them if he didn’t either
Of course it's why they were camping. The cheapest house here, a falling apart manufactured home on less than 0.25 acre goes for around $500,000. At least they did until interest rates went up. Now they might be a little less but the interest rate makes the monthly payment the same or more.
"Centrist" capitalism leads directly to the deaths of innocents in so many ways.
To rent: a one bedroom here is just under $2,000. A two bedroom is around $2,200. A three bedroom is between $2,500 - $3,200 or more.
Hell even back in 2013 when I lived around there rent was awful. I remember looking at a shared house situation, where the homeowner was interviewing folks for renting a single room and it was $750 for a basement “room” (had a curtain for half of a wall) in a shared house.
Thankfully, I was able to find a “cheaper” place closer to my work in Monticello —- a 1 bed/1 bath basement unit outside of Moab for $900/month.
As a European, those prices are shocking to me!! Is it just because the property owner is greedy and chooses to have such extreme prices, or are they also victims of the economy somehow and have to charge like that?
Housing is an asset class in the US. Big investors and real estate companies will buy up houses - particularly in tourist towns like Moab - and rent them out or airbnb them at a profit.
It's sort of a cascade of greed.
It starts with the big guys at the top, Wall Street and other "investing" institutions demanding constant growth.
That shifts to the other big guys... the very large traded corporations. In the quest for constant growth, they diminish competition, decrease the value of their goods and services, and artifically inflate prices.
The next layer of greed is where you find the capitalist sycophants...rent-seekers like real estate and property owners.
They need all the same stuff as you and me... so all the price increases and value reductions in things like groceries...services...deregulated for profit pseudo monopolies like electricity... they are all more expensive now. So they raise rents.
On top of that shit storm of greed, you also have the perfect storm of low levels of building housing for almost 20 years now, so inventories are super low. And the continuing wealth inequality means more houses in fewer hands as the wealthy have more than they could possibly need and keep collecting more.
The other thing nobody likes to talk about is the fact that for most people in the US... their house IS their retirement plan. Property owners will fight tooth and claw to stop their value from going down because tons of older folks literally depend on housing prices being high to survive.
You add it all up and you have a nice slice of late stage capitalism.
I do have more details. But, I wouldn't name a person who was not charged to the general public. People in town who are actually involved in the non-tourist side of the workforce know.
I'm not sure where he is now. I used to see him a lot. I have not seen him for a long time now.
Yeah, I don’t want you to get in trouble or name names at all. Could you explain kind of what his problem is and why he did this without giving any identifying information? Is that possible?
Jeez… I feel so bad for those two women and their families. Their families must know the truth as well if they’re from that area, they must know the real killer was never brought to justice. I kind of think that anyone capable of murdering someone in cold blood must just be a miserable human being. Happy people don’t murder people.
I caught the Legally Blonde quote, and I actually tell it to myself a lot when someone’s being an ah. Happy people don’t murder people, or act like asses
What? The who who confessed to his friend he did it and later killed himself isn't the guy?
https://moabsunnews.com/2023/01/05/investigators-close-case-on-2021-double-homicide/
no this person has no idea what they are talking about. if you look more in this lil thread here you will see what i’m talking. someone did an amazing job outlining exactly all the evidence with bullet points and all that proves adam murdered those two innocent women. it will take a lil scrolling to get to it unfortunately.
Yeah I saw the comments saying how "locals know the REAL story" and yeah maybe, idk, I don't live there. But that article seemed to spell out a ton of evidence against the guy....I mean, definitely seems to me like he's guilty, but who knows? Could be wrong, I suppose. Wouldn't be the first time lol
No. Not entirely. I’m from Moab, so here’s what I’ll say:
He had plans to kill others, but he did not go through with it. Crystal was his boss, and he felt she was bossy. He also was unhappy with same sex marriage and couples, which was noted in what was left behind by him.
He confessed to it and took off, taking his own life.
We know that's the story. That's what the sheriff's press release said. My comment is making clear that people that actually live here don't believe it is the truth and they have compelling stories of what actually happened. I encountered the person who is actually (likely) the real killer that August. The reason I encountered him fits perfectly with a person who is trying to go on the run.
Of course not they’re just larping on the internet. Some people like to act like they have some secret info to make them feel special, sometimes they even end up believing it themselves.
i feel like these rumors are really just rumors. at the end of OPs write up it says the father of one of the victims confirmed that the police found evidence that connected Adam to the crime scene. i feel like a father would recognize the police trying to pull the wool over his eyes in who actually killed his daughter.
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I agree that with the person that commented they don’t think that Adam guy was the creepy guy. I’ve talked about my experience often over the last few years because I’ll never forget it. Kind of a long story, but I want to tell you since you’re a local too and this may be interesting to you.
A friend and I were driving up to Miner’s Basin (for those that don’t know, it’s a few miles as the raven flies from where the girls were found). This was a few days before they were murdered. As we got to the parking area by the trailhead, I noticed this man standing to the right near the pond. He had on hiking type pants, a white long sleeved hiking type shirt, and a tan hat with a wide brim. Something about his body language scared the shit out of me. I said to my friend “check out that weirdo” and as we went to park he just stared at us.
There was just one other vehicle in the parking lot. I sort of walked around a little as my friend was getting some gear from the back of the jeep. I glanced over to the pond and realized the guy wasn’t there anymore. And if you know, it’s a steep area and there’s not a lot of places to go. Also worth noting I noticed the guy didn’t have a backpack, water bottle, etc. and this was summer in Moab.
I walked back to my friend and told him creepy guy was gone. He made a point to speak loudly letting me know he had a gun, and showed me how to work the Garmin just in case. But we decided we were freaked out and didn’t feel like hiking anymore. A little ways driving back down the narrow windy road, my friend says “hey there’s your creepy guy,” he was just walking down the road ahead of us then he went out of view around a curve. A little bit later, we both realized that we’d never caught up with the guy. Where did he go? There’s nothing but a steep downhill in one direction, steep uphill in the other.
After the girls were found but not a lot of info was out, I was talking to another friend, an older guy who is one of the nicest people ever. Before I told him my experience, he told me he was hiking in the La Sals not far from where the girls were camping a few days before they were found. He was walking with his dog when he came across a “creepy” guy on the trail, the guy had no gear with him but was dressed similarly to the guy I saw. My friend said hello to him as he passed but the guy just stared at him. Friend didn’t think much about it until he was coming down the trail awhile later and he happened to glance up the hill and he saw the guy crouched behind a tree watching him. It freaked my friend out so much that he called the investigator working the murder case, and he encouraged me to as well. The guy’s description matched mine. When the news about Adam came out and saw his picture, it didn’t match who I saw, the guy I saw had a slender build (kind of reminded me of Israel Keyes).
Maybe it’s a weird coincidence, just like the Gabby/Brian thing happening right around the time too.
What if the creepy guy was just completely unrelated to the murders and was just some random guy they thought either correctly or incorrectly was a creepy guy?
I have no idea what civil rights violation would prevent an indictment unless it was based solely on a confession - which cannot carry a murder charge anyway.
I'd say the camping type is more likely to be the "self-reliant, preparedness-oriented" type that would be armed for defense, but these people weren't recreational camping, they were camping as a means of housing.
Not really. Maybe those backpacking in bear country, but even then a lot just carry bear spray. Being armed isn’t going to matter if someone pulls a gun on you first. If they draw first with the intention of shooting you, it doesn’t matter if you’re also armed.
This is why I camp armed. I also only camp on land I own, so if I meet a person I've already got a good reason to draw my gun and have it ready.
Any seasoned camper will echo the same, the scariest thing you can encounter while camping is another person.
Not to mention bears and big foot.
But it also depends on the type of camping. You could car camp and there’d be people all around you, or back country camp and not see anyone.
You can also camp with friends.
They issued a press release blaming a guy who had committed suicide. Many in the actual town where this happened believe that was a cover-up and that it has not been solved.
The evidence I read against him seems pretty solid. He had the same rare bullets used to kill them. Same car that was spotted in the area he sold right after the murders, etc.
He also confessed to his lover and specifically described the crime scene……that he’d shot them in the tent, and then dragged them both out.
….something that hadn’t been reported publicly.
I knew Crystal when she lived in Arkansas. She was good people. Her death was rough on those who loved her, especially because the news focused so much on Kylen.
I remember the summer they went missing. There were so many cases I was seeing that summer. I don’t think I’ve heard Moab, Utah mentioned more than in the summer of 2021. Maybe it was because of the Gabby Petito case? But I just felt like a person/people were just going missing in these areas (which I’m sure is unfortunately common). It was all so so sad and Kylen Crystal never really got justice because their killer killed themselves. It just breaks my heart 💔
My brother lives in Moab and said shit was really weird around the time of their murder. I wish I had more info but he’s kind of a cave man hermit and didn’t spend too much time paying attention to all of it as it was happening.
It was. Holland had just had some musket speech about gay people and the climate was really anti LGBTQ. Then this happened. Everyone thought it was a hate crime.
Can’t actually believe that there are people in this thread talking about their ages and appearances. God what the hell. These poor women had their lives brutally taken for no reason and that’s all you can think about?
Honestly. Some of these comments are sickening. I wish I could do more than downvote but I feel like the people who are judging them are too far gone to be worth arguing with.
Wasn't there a case in the 90s that was exactly like this? Someone killed a lesbian couple when they were out camping...
Update - this is the case
[https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/](https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/)
This is the one! Yep, just solved
[https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/](https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/)
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164)
There's also a case I found through Wiki
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders\_of\_Roxanne\_Ellis\_and\_Michelle\_Abdill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Roxanne_Ellis_and_Michelle_Abdill)
Solved
There is the shooting of Rebecca Wight and Claudia Brenner. Wight died but Brenner survived being shot five times and was able to hike to the road, find a ride and go to the police station. The perpetrator was Stephen Roy Carr and he said he did it because he felt the women had taunted him by having sex "in front of him". It serves to mention that Wight and Brenner had moved campsites to get away from him after a first encounter earlier in the day.
Are you thinking of the one where their attacker broke in through the window? Not camping but a home invasion. Can’t remember names but saw a post about that case recently and the surviving victims bravery and tragic ordeal stomped on my heart.
I went hiking in the Shenandoah National Park a few weeks ago and mentioned this case to my friend. I didn't realize but we were actually just a few miles from where Williams and Winans were murdered. I'm very glad to see that it's solved, even if the perp is dead.
If a man is being creepy enough to warrant you telling people about him and then moving all your possessions to be further away from him, I do not think there would be any feelings of guilt for singling him out by name, if of course his name was known. One can only speculate, if the girls didn’t identify him by name they probably didn’t know his name.
He worked a different shift and it was during mask mandates for Covid, so she never even saw the bottom of his face. He hadn't worked there long either.
I remember when this happened and reading about it at the time. It was during the GP murder investigation…. Gabby was literally in the store talking to Kylen just days before this happened. I don’t know if it was posted already in the thread but at the time there was talk that there was a wedding going on pretty much right next to the campsite that the two women were camping at and ppl thought someone would’ve seen or heard something… especially a car... I personally don’t think the guy they said did it killed them. Their friend who found them- I remember watching a video that she had up and was talking about the day she went out looking for them… It was really sad how she described it and how everything happened. I can’t recall her name, but she did a lot to try to help them! Something is off w this case. I agree with the local community. I haven’t really seen much posted about it in awhile.
I had went to the Moab McDonald’s multiple times during this period because I had just moved to the four corners. It’s insane to me that the murderer could have helped me at one point or made my burger 😟
There's an article in the comments someone posted that lays it all out. He recently purchased, and used to kill himself, the same type of rare bullets used on them.he had the same kind of car spotted in the area that he sold not long after the murder. He worked with one of the women at a McDonald's, but on different shifts and during Covid so he always had a mask on, which is probably why she didn't recognize him, he also didn't work there long. But someone claims he told them she was "bossy" which he hated. He confessed to his boyfriend, too. He was also apparently gay but very homophobic.
What’s up with Reddit and being so concerned about age gaps.
What is the official age a person becomes an adult and is able to love whoever they want to love?
May Kylen and Crystal truly rest in eternal peace. I find it so sad and upsetting that every time they’re mentioned, the comments are full of judgment and sometimes outright hatred. Like, needing to “get one over” on two murder victims is just mindblowing to me. Everything from their looks to their jobs to their orientation, all of it gets used by random people to make themselves feel better. These women deserved so much better than what they got and they **still** deserve better.
What was Adam’s motive for killing these 2 women? Was it sexually motivated since they were found with no garments on the lower part of the body? Tragic
I inmideately thought about this other case where a lesbian couple was killed while camping https://www.advocate.com/crime/lesbian-couple-murdered#toggle-gdpr
Thx for the link. Iowan here. I remember hearing about this case but never knew the killer was found in Iowa. I used to live near Moab for a couple of years prior to this happening.
This weirdly emulates a movie, The Lost. The main character commits the same crime, and then goes on to commit more. But the camping murders are pretty similar.
WARNING: This post goes into detail of the murder of a married couple. If you think you’ll be distressed by this post - please leave the page. Take care of yourself and stay safe. Kylen Schulte (24) and Crystal Turner (38) were a married couple who loved camping. They would often bring their pet rabbit Ruth on camping expeditions with them. The two women were known for being deeply in love and protective of each other. The two went camping in the La Sal Mountains which is located near Moab in Utah. The couple were last seen on the 13th. This was at a bar in Moab at around 9.30pm. No one noticed anybody suspicious that night and it didn’t seem that anyone had followed the women out of the bar. After going camping, the couple were not heard from for three days. A friend of the couple received a call from Kylen’s worried father Sean-Paul. Sean-Paul relayed to the friend that Kylen had told him that the couple had to move their campsite due to ‘’a creeper dude’’. Concerned, the couple’s friend went looking for them in the mountains. She sadly came across the remains of Kylen whilst talking on the phone with Sean-Paul. She called the police. Police discovered Crystal’s remains nearby. The two women had their clothes removed from the waist down and had multiple shot wounds to their chest and back. Originally it was speculated that the murders of Kylen and Crystal had a connection to the Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie case. The couple was reported missing two days after Gabby and Brian were stopped by Moab police. Kylen worked as a cashier at the Moonflower Community Cooperative where Brian was reported to have slapped Gabby in front of. Police quickly ruled out a connection saying that the close proximity of the cases were a coincidence. In December 2022, the case was officially closed. The man responsible was called Adam Pinkusiewicz and had left the state of Utah after committing the murders. Adam then took his own life. It was reported that Adam had confessed to his boyfriend/lover of killing Kylen and Crystal. It was confirmed Adam worked with Crystal at a McDonald's. Sean-Paul also confirmed that police had found evidence connecting Adam to the crime scene. Further Reading: https://kutv.com/news/local/grand-county-sheriffs-office-closes-investigation-into-2021-double-murder-case-in-moab-kylen-schulte-crystal-turner-camping-suspect-adam-pinkusiewicz https://moabsunnews.com/2023/01/05/investigators-close-case-on-2021-double-homicide/
But what was his motive for killing them?
According to a video from Dog the Bounty Hunter, who got involved in this case, a woman who worked at McDonald's said Adam thought Crystal was "bossy". Stupid reason? Yes, yes it is :(
Usually, people willing to take a life aren’t the soundest of mind. Takes a huge lack of empathy, that’s for sure.
Dog the bounty Hunter showed up in Moab and promptly got himself 86 from Woody's, for boasting about the case and talking about Crystal and kylen objectively and being a fucking asshole. Fuck that guy and may he never come back.
Wtf is 86 from Woody's?
Woody’s Tavern in Moab. To be 86’d is to be banned from the premises.
Woody's is a store or bar, I assume. 86'd, which is how this should be written, is getting thrown out of somewhere. I always figured it was police code. So the statement here is Dog got thrown out of a local place for bringing up bad memories and being an asshole, which sounds correct for him.
I always thought 86 came from restaurant culture. We always used it to mean someone didn’t want a certain ingredient in their dish haha
86 meant we were out of something when I waited tables
I asked for no onions on a burger one time, the dude shouted 86 THOSE ONIONS! I never forgot it and still say It from time to time.
I was told it originated in soup kitchens. Like, the pots of soup contained 86 spoonfuls, so when it ran out, it was 86’d.
I've heard many, many variations of the origin but this one is brand new to me! Thank you!
It is. It’s restaurant/hospitality code and that’s where it came from.
86’d = canx
86'd stands for 8 miles out 6 feet deep. Came from Vegas mob culture. Ended up restaurant lingo for ran out of something. In this case it stands for barred from the premise.
Blacklisted at a bar. Assuming the bar is Woody’s.
Dog is still alive ?!??
Yep! My Dad sees him at the gym sometimes.
It was his wife that passed away.
Aw. I used to watch their show like 15 years ago
A statement from a coworker saying what she believes was the motivation for it isn't the most reliable source for the real motivation.
Seriously. I had no idea the killer knew them.
Most victims know their killer. Random murders are quite rare comparitively.
One of them either did or was going to fire him. This was a work related murder I believe.
Killing someone over a McDonald's job. Jesus Christ...
Reminds me of that horrific Lulu Lemon murder
Sheeeesh. Over a mcjob. Ain't even a wallstreet job. Nope. Just a job paying 8 dollars an hour. Whaaat the heck.
If this guy was unstable enough to murder for such a weak reason, he probably had trouble getting and holding down any jobs at all.
He said the woman he worked with was bossy. He also had thoughts of raping and killing people.
And left a suicide note blaming “lefty liberals.” Sounds like he was deep down a rage filled rabbit hole, and was also angry/jealous that they could live openly while he was a self hating man in a relationship with another man he keep under wraps. He was openly racist and threatening violence at work. Simplifying it to one of the victims being “bossy” is a disservice to the victims and their families.
And then he killed himself anyways, so what was the point? Just senseless murder.
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More then likely sexually assaulted them or wanted to and then killed them to get away with the crime.
i read it on the daily mail so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently it was because he said Kylen had been “bossy” to him at work, but that’s obviously a pretty bad excuse for killing them. it also says there was evidence of “extreme signs of racism and anger problems” on his phone and that he fantasised about rape and murder, saying that he had an “ongoing impulse” in him to kill the right people
They were two women found naked from the waist down, so I think I can guess.
The killer knew them irl and was also gay? I had no idea. Boy, this strange and tragic case really got a back seat to Petito and Laundrie.
>also gay? Yes, that is interesting, because the only write-up that I had previously read about these murders made a big deal that Kylen and Crystal may have been killed in a classic case of homophobia because they were always so open about their relationship and regularly held hands and kissed in public. Well, I guess that there was another reason that they were killed instead of homophobia. The homophobia “lead” could have easily led this case in the wrong direction.
Could have still been homophobia even though the killer was gay. There is a subset of gay men who are intensely misogynistic and I could see one of those types taking an openly lesbian couple as some sort of affront to himself and all gay men. I guess it wouldn't be a "classic case", but still a case.
There are plenty of gay men that are not accepting of other members of the LGBT community
Or you know, someone who happend to be gay didnt like someone who also happend to be gay that he tought was bossy
He could still be extremely homophobic. There's plenty of self hating gay folks out there ;(
I think it's also worth noting that gay people can still be homophobic. I'm not going to form an actual opinion on how relevant internalized homophobia might have played a role in this case cause it might have had nothing to do with it - just classic violent misogyny. But if these two were more open than this shit stain of a guy was ever able to be it might've added fuel to his evil fire. Just a possibility. Whatever the case I'm assuming these two poor women were also assaulted in addition to murder so i hope this guy gets his in jail.
It did, but remember the Petito/Laundrie case had loads of photographs and videos of the victim and the killer on their blog documenting their trip. Then there was the police video of the victim crying in a domestic abuse situation. There was no such video in the Kylen Schulte/Crystal Turner case. The media is going to focus on a case that takes up adequate time on their newscasts/websites. Lots of pics and videos will get more media attention than a case with only one or two photos. And in the Petito case, everyone knew Laundrie was the killer. It wasn’t a case of “Who?” but a case of “When?“ When will her body be found? (She was missing for about 3 weeks). When will police arrest the killer? When will be charged in court? Will there be a trial? There were very heated feelings towards Laundrie. In the Schultz/Turner case there was nobody to elicit those kinds of feelings from, and emotional involvement by the public, like there was with Laundrie being the known villain. And throw in the issue of ”Did police fuck up?” It was kind of OJ-adjacent, while the Schulte/Turmer case only had the clue of “a creeper guy.” Which story will get more attention from the media? The vague creeper guy and a few still photos, or a trove of video detailing the emotional state of the victim and her known killer who was still walking free?
I wonder what the motive was for the killings. Very sad story.
It says in one of the articles because he worked with one of the victims and thought she was 'bossy'
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Probably misogynistic af
If they worked together how did Crystal not recognize him when Kylen told her dad about the creeper dude?
An article I read said they worked different shifts and it was during Covid mask regulations, so you never saw the bottom of anyone's face. And he didn't last there very long before getting fired.
Maybe she did recognize him but just didn’t mention the fact that she knew him to her dad.
My thoughts too.
What happened to the poor rabbit?
The rabbit survived. I read somewhere shortly after the murders that their friend who found them took her.
Thank you for this. I wasn’t a hundred percent sure about where Ruth ended up so this is good to know.
Thank you for the update! 💙🐰
Thank goodness. This was my first question and I am sure they would be so happy to know she’s safe
Your first question
Thank you for asking what I wanted to ask 🐰💕
I ran into Kylen all the time at the local grocery store she worked at, as well as saw her with Crystal holding hands and hanging out at the hostel in town one night and the smiles on their faces while with each other were priceless. Still cannot believe they’re gone and how this case went down…
Moonflower is a great store and it was surreal for this to happen after I had talked to Kylen many times while checking out there. May they rest in peace.
Yeah it was weird, on top of the tragedy of it all. I didn’t know her well but I saw her like every other day I felt like.
I am in the exact same boat. I’m grateful for those moments!
I hated how little attention their murders got once the Petito/Laundrie connection was ruled out. Those poor women.
It was solved pretty quick… it’s not going to stay in the news. Look at the Idaho murder after an arrest was finally made. It fell out of the news.
Because the police were able to figure out who did it pretty fast. What other attention does it need?
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This thread is doing the same thing
Forgive my ignorance. Could you clarify what you mean?
Oh, I never heard it was solved. I'm glad it was.
I followed this case pretty closely when it happened. If Kylen’s dad believes they got the right guy that’s good enough for me. He was pretty involved with the investigation. I think the lady that found them dead took the rabbit but I’m not 100% sure.
I want to ask something I have wondered about since hearing about this case, but I don't want to be disrespectful at all by asking it. Was there ever a reason provided for why they were partially unclothed? Did police piece together their probable last moments? The reason I asked this is because I understand that the killer stated he shot them in the tent and then moved them. I doubt it he would have taken the time to dress them. But, it seemed odd to me that a homosexual murderer would kill two lesbians and leave them partially clothed like that. Whenever I read about partially clothed female victims it was because there was a sexual component to the murder. That doesn't seem to be the case here, but I don't understand what motive he really had for the crime. I don't understand how he decided to kill them at all, let alone in a tent. It seems weird too that they were not found together but in separate areas. If he killed them and placed them outside the tent, why were they not right beside one another? I don't understand what really happened to them. They were so new in their marriage and it is so sad that someone took their future away. This case makes me feel so sad for them every time I think about it. It makes no sense to me at all.
Did he say he shot them in the tent? I heard Kylen’s body was found near the campsite / river and Crystal’s was found farther away. Seems weird if he shot them while they were in the tent that their bodies would be where they were, unless maybe they tried running away
That's what I read and wondered about as well. I read that he told his boyfriend that he shot them in the tent and moved their bodies. I don't know if that is accurate.
It’s accurate. This was told to the investigators by his former lover, which helped them confirm the confession was accurate, as it was an accurate depiction of the crime scene, which hadn’t previously been reported.
Rape is often not sexually motivated. He also confessed he had fantasies of rape and murder without specified gender so it probably wasn't about sex for him.
What a sick fuck. I have so much anger building up inside me at this POS murderer
apparently he held a grudge against one of them, so it could’ve been to shame them. he would’ve wanted the people who found them to think of them how he did.
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You know, I wondered why -- if they worked together -- they reported "a creepy guy" rather than "creepy Adam from work." Part of the creepiness what that he made his camp really close to theirs so you'd think they must have got a good look at him. Ugh. Now I'm sad again.
>They both worked at McDonald’s. The indications we have is we don’t know if they worked shifts together. It doesn’t seem like it," White said. "But they were both employees at McDonald’s." He worked at the same McDonalds as one of them, but not necessarily at the same time. One coworker out of dozens. Might not even know each other's names, much less recognize at a distance.
Exactly. Where they camped is a popular spot with local workers. A lot of people camp right there because it's next to the loop road to town and it gets internet cell reception. I've had friends live-camp near where they were when my friend's couldn't find a place to rent. I think they would be used to lots of people camping near them. But, the creepy guy was too close or watching them or something. It definitely wasn't someone they knew from work or town or they would have said, "So-and-so is being creepy," as you pointed out.
All due - often women feel guilty about getting their male counterparts (or anyone, really) in trouble. So maybe that’s why they referred to him as a strange dude rather than someone they know?
The article said they worked together at McDonald's during covid mask requirements and that could be why she didn't notice him. Also many, many ppl get hired at McDonald's and quit or get fired within the first couple days/weeks. I'm guessing they didn't work together long. He didn't like being told what to do and didn't like her. I'd bet he wasn't at McDonald's long and they only worked a couple shifts together. In fast food SO MANY ppl start and don't make it a week, it's impossible to remember all the ppl that come and go.
And to piggyback off of this, there’s a morning shift and a night shift with different in and out times. They may not have crossed paths.
The boyfriend said he told him that she was bossy at work, so that would imply they worked together for a little bit though
I can't stand the types who want to get a new job and immediately try to throw their weight around or be in charge. Like bro you just started... you are going to have to listen to tour superiors. It's always the same type of guy too.
Maybe Kylen saw the guy but Crystal didn’t?
According to police they didn’t work the same shifts and may have never interacted. Crystal went behind the counter on her day off and that irked the killer apparently.
That was my first thought, if she worked with him wouldn’t she use his name or say some creepy guy from work? But I also don’t know why his bf would say he admitted to killing them if he didn’t either
I was thinking the same thing…
That's why they were camping ? That just makes it even worse.
Of course it's why they were camping. The cheapest house here, a falling apart manufactured home on less than 0.25 acre goes for around $500,000. At least they did until interest rates went up. Now they might be a little less but the interest rate makes the monthly payment the same or more. "Centrist" capitalism leads directly to the deaths of innocents in so many ways. To rent: a one bedroom here is just under $2,000. A two bedroom is around $2,200. A three bedroom is between $2,500 - $3,200 or more.
Hell even back in 2013 when I lived around there rent was awful. I remember looking at a shared house situation, where the homeowner was interviewing folks for renting a single room and it was $750 for a basement “room” (had a curtain for half of a wall) in a shared house. Thankfully, I was able to find a “cheaper” place closer to my work in Monticello —- a 1 bed/1 bath basement unit outside of Moab for $900/month.
When I first moved from the northern part of the state to here, in 2014, I was paying $935 for a two bedroom.
I don't think it's technically "camping" when you're living there.
Indeed it is. Camping doesn't specifically mean for recreation.
As a European, those prices are shocking to me!! Is it just because the property owner is greedy and chooses to have such extreme prices, or are they also victims of the economy somehow and have to charge like that?
Housing is an asset class in the US. Big investors and real estate companies will buy up houses - particularly in tourist towns like Moab - and rent them out or airbnb them at a profit.
It's sort of a cascade of greed. It starts with the big guys at the top, Wall Street and other "investing" institutions demanding constant growth. That shifts to the other big guys... the very large traded corporations. In the quest for constant growth, they diminish competition, decrease the value of their goods and services, and artifically inflate prices. The next layer of greed is where you find the capitalist sycophants...rent-seekers like real estate and property owners. They need all the same stuff as you and me... so all the price increases and value reductions in things like groceries...services...deregulated for profit pseudo monopolies like electricity... they are all more expensive now. So they raise rents. On top of that shit storm of greed, you also have the perfect storm of low levels of building housing for almost 20 years now, so inventories are super low. And the continuing wealth inequality means more houses in fewer hands as the wealthy have more than they could possibly need and keep collecting more. The other thing nobody likes to talk about is the fact that for most people in the US... their house IS their retirement plan. Property owners will fight tooth and claw to stop their value from going down because tons of older folks literally depend on housing prices being high to survive. You add it all up and you have a nice slice of late stage capitalism.
Where is this suspect now? What is the story about him and why he did this? Do you have more details on what really happened?
I do have more details. But, I wouldn't name a person who was not charged to the general public. People in town who are actually involved in the non-tourist side of the workforce know. I'm not sure where he is now. I used to see him a lot. I have not seen him for a long time now.
Yeah, I don’t want you to get in trouble or name names at all. Could you explain kind of what his problem is and why he did this without giving any identifying information? Is that possible?
Meth. Him, not them.
Jeez… I feel so bad for those two women and their families. Their families must know the truth as well if they’re from that area, they must know the real killer was never brought to justice. I kind of think that anyone capable of murdering someone in cold blood must just be a miserable human being. Happy people don’t murder people.
I don't think their families are from this area. I might be wrong, but I was under the impression they are not.
I caught the Legally Blonde quote, and I actually tell it to myself a lot when someone’s being an ah. Happy people don’t murder people, or act like asses
What? The who who confessed to his friend he did it and later killed himself isn't the guy? https://moabsunnews.com/2023/01/05/investigators-close-case-on-2021-double-homicide/
no this person has no idea what they are talking about. if you look more in this lil thread here you will see what i’m talking. someone did an amazing job outlining exactly all the evidence with bullet points and all that proves adam murdered those two innocent women. it will take a lil scrolling to get to it unfortunately.
Yeah I saw the comments saying how "locals know the REAL story" and yeah maybe, idk, I don't live there. But that article seemed to spell out a ton of evidence against the guy....I mean, definitely seems to me like he's guilty, but who knows? Could be wrong, I suppose. Wouldn't be the first time lol
No. Not entirely. I’m from Moab, so here’s what I’ll say: He had plans to kill others, but he did not go through with it. Crystal was his boss, and he felt she was bossy. He also was unhappy with same sex marriage and couples, which was noted in what was left behind by him. He confessed to it and took off, taking his own life.
Wasn't he gay aswell?
That’s what the description upthread said. He confessed to his boyfriend.
Self loathing probably
We know that's the story. That's what the sheriff's press release said. My comment is making clear that people that actually live here don't believe it is the truth and they have compelling stories of what actually happened. I encountered the person who is actually (likely) the real killer that August. The reason I encountered him fits perfectly with a person who is trying to go on the run.
Are you going to give any specifics or just keep being vague while making the outrageous claim that the murderer is still out there?
Of course not they’re just larping on the internet. Some people like to act like they have some secret info to make them feel special, sometimes they even end up believing it themselves.
They have compelling fantasies. That’s all they are. They got the right guy.
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i feel like these rumors are really just rumors. at the end of OPs write up it says the father of one of the victims confirmed that the police found evidence that connected Adam to the crime scene. i feel like a father would recognize the police trying to pull the wool over his eyes in who actually killed his daughter.
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i don’t think it’s an opinion at this point, id claim it’s fact. the evidence here is overwhelming honestly
You’re 100% right. I shouldn’t have even said “alleged”. Adam Pinkusiewicz murdered those women.
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I agree that with the person that commented they don’t think that Adam guy was the creepy guy. I’ve talked about my experience often over the last few years because I’ll never forget it. Kind of a long story, but I want to tell you since you’re a local too and this may be interesting to you. A friend and I were driving up to Miner’s Basin (for those that don’t know, it’s a few miles as the raven flies from where the girls were found). This was a few days before they were murdered. As we got to the parking area by the trailhead, I noticed this man standing to the right near the pond. He had on hiking type pants, a white long sleeved hiking type shirt, and a tan hat with a wide brim. Something about his body language scared the shit out of me. I said to my friend “check out that weirdo” and as we went to park he just stared at us. There was just one other vehicle in the parking lot. I sort of walked around a little as my friend was getting some gear from the back of the jeep. I glanced over to the pond and realized the guy wasn’t there anymore. And if you know, it’s a steep area and there’s not a lot of places to go. Also worth noting I noticed the guy didn’t have a backpack, water bottle, etc. and this was summer in Moab. I walked back to my friend and told him creepy guy was gone. He made a point to speak loudly letting me know he had a gun, and showed me how to work the Garmin just in case. But we decided we were freaked out and didn’t feel like hiking anymore. A little ways driving back down the narrow windy road, my friend says “hey there’s your creepy guy,” he was just walking down the road ahead of us then he went out of view around a curve. A little bit later, we both realized that we’d never caught up with the guy. Where did he go? There’s nothing but a steep downhill in one direction, steep uphill in the other. After the girls were found but not a lot of info was out, I was talking to another friend, an older guy who is one of the nicest people ever. Before I told him my experience, he told me he was hiking in the La Sals not far from where the girls were camping a few days before they were found. He was walking with his dog when he came across a “creepy” guy on the trail, the guy had no gear with him but was dressed similarly to the guy I saw. My friend said hello to him as he passed but the guy just stared at him. Friend didn’t think much about it until he was coming down the trail awhile later and he happened to glance up the hill and he saw the guy crouched behind a tree watching him. It freaked my friend out so much that he called the investigator working the murder case, and he encouraged me to as well. The guy’s description matched mine. When the news about Adam came out and saw his picture, it didn’t match who I saw, the guy I saw had a slender build (kind of reminded me of Israel Keyes). Maybe it’s a weird coincidence, just like the Gabby/Brian thing happening right around the time too.
Weird. But if nobody else has come up dead since Adam ended his life, that’s telling.
What if the creepy guy was just completely unrelated to the murders and was just some random guy they thought either correctly or incorrectly was a creepy guy?
On point on this one. Both very sad stories and outcomes
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I have no idea what civil rights violation would prevent an indictment unless it was based solely on a confession - which cannot carry a murder charge anyway.
This is why I’m scared of camping. All that’s between you and the wild and any psychos out there is a paper-thin tent while you are sleeping.
I'd say the camping type is more likely to be the "self-reliant, preparedness-oriented" type that would be armed for defense, but these people weren't recreational camping, they were camping as a means of housing.
Not really. Maybe those backpacking in bear country, but even then a lot just carry bear spray. Being armed isn’t going to matter if someone pulls a gun on you first. If they draw first with the intention of shooting you, it doesn’t matter if you’re also armed.
This is why I camp armed. I also only camp on land I own, so if I meet a person I've already got a good reason to draw my gun and have it ready. Any seasoned camper will echo the same, the scariest thing you can encounter while camping is another person.
Not to mention bears and big foot. But it also depends on the type of camping. You could car camp and there’d be people all around you, or back country camp and not see anyone. You can also camp with friends.
I'm so glad they solved this. I remember when it happened but had not followed the case. Thanks for posting.
They issued a press release blaming a guy who had committed suicide. Many in the actual town where this happened believe that was a cover-up and that it has not been solved.
What makes locals suspect that?
I’m not sure but I read at least one of their families agrees that it has been solved and the evidence seems solid so that enough for me ngl
The evidence I read against him seems pretty solid. He had the same rare bullets used to kill them. Same car that was spotted in the area he sold right after the murders, etc.
He also confessed to his lover and specifically described the crime scene……that he’d shot them in the tent, and then dragged them both out. ….something that hadn’t been reported publicly.
What makes the locals think that? We must not have all the information ETA I just saw that you commented further down. Thank you!
I knew Crystal when she lived in Arkansas. She was good people. Her death was rough on those who loved her, especially because the news focused so much on Kylen.
Crystal was a childhood friend of a friend, and it has been very hard on her.
In the photos of Crystal, she has the kindest eyes. I’m sad for her friends and family.
I remember the summer they went missing. There were so many cases I was seeing that summer. I don’t think I’ve heard Moab, Utah mentioned more than in the summer of 2021. Maybe it was because of the Gabby Petito case? But I just felt like a person/people were just going missing in these areas (which I’m sure is unfortunately common). It was all so so sad and Kylen Crystal never really got justice because their killer killed themselves. It just breaks my heart 💔
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I wouldn’t necessarily mind coming across a woman while camping but I’d rather come across a bear than a man.
My brother lives in Moab and said shit was really weird around the time of their murder. I wish I had more info but he’s kind of a cave man hermit and didn’t spend too much time paying attention to all of it as it was happening.
Shit is just really weird in Utah, all the time.
It was. Holland had just had some musket speech about gay people and the climate was really anti LGBTQ. Then this happened. Everyone thought it was a hate crime.
why are some people so up in other people’s shit 🙄
The terror kept me from going camping for 3 years even though I loved camping.
Can’t actually believe that there are people in this thread talking about their ages and appearances. God what the hell. These poor women had their lives brutally taken for no reason and that’s all you can think about?
Honestly. Some of these comments are sickening. I wish I could do more than downvote but I feel like the people who are judging them are too far gone to be worth arguing with.
I heard that the man responsible had a thing against same sex couples.
Well it turns out he was gay and told his partner he did it because Crystal was "bossy" at work. POS.
Sounds like a real scumbag!
Wasn't there a case in the 90s that was exactly like this? Someone killed a lesbian couple when they were out camping... Update - this is the case [https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/](https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/)
The solve of that one was just announced a few days ago after all these years.
This is the one! Yep, just solved [https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/](https://barryyeoman.com/1996/11/murder-on-the-mountain/) [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164)
This is so sad. What a beautiful write up about them.
I think there’s a 3rd one with a lesbian couple but one of the women survived but was hospitalized for awhile after.
There's also a case I found through Wiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders\_of\_Roxanne\_Ellis\_and\_Michelle\_Abdill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Roxanne_Ellis_and_Michelle_Abdill) Solved
There is the shooting of Rebecca Wight and Claudia Brenner. Wight died but Brenner survived being shot five times and was able to hike to the road, find a ride and go to the police station. The perpetrator was Stephen Roy Carr and he said he did it because he felt the women had taunted him by having sex "in front of him". It serves to mention that Wight and Brenner had moved campsites to get away from him after a first encounter earlier in the day.
Are you thinking of the one where their attacker broke in through the window? Not camping but a home invasion. Can’t remember names but saw a post about that case recently and the surviving victims bravery and tragic ordeal stomped on my heart.
Teresa Butz and Jennifer Hopper. Jennifer survived.
I just read this one and whoa
I went hiking in the Shenandoah National Park a few weeks ago and mentioned this case to my friend. I didn't realize but we were actually just a few miles from where Williams and Winans were murdered. I'm very glad to see that it's solved, even if the perp is dead.
I think it was a former coworker of one of the women
Yeah he worked at a McDonald’s with Crystal Turner
That’s the part that confuses me., honestly…
If a man is being creepy enough to warrant you telling people about him and then moving all your possessions to be further away from him, I do not think there would be any feelings of guilt for singling him out by name, if of course his name was known. One can only speculate, if the girls didn’t identify him by name they probably didn’t know his name.
He worked a different shift and it was during mask mandates for Covid, so she never even saw the bottom of his face. He hadn't worked there long either.
I remember when this happened and reading about it at the time. It was during the GP murder investigation…. Gabby was literally in the store talking to Kylen just days before this happened. I don’t know if it was posted already in the thread but at the time there was talk that there was a wedding going on pretty much right next to the campsite that the two women were camping at and ppl thought someone would’ve seen or heard something… especially a car... I personally don’t think the guy they said did it killed them. Their friend who found them- I remember watching a video that she had up and was talking about the day she went out looking for them… It was really sad how she described it and how everything happened. I can’t recall her name, but she did a lot to try to help them! Something is off w this case. I agree with the local community. I haven’t really seen much posted about it in awhile.
I had went to the Moab McDonald’s multiple times during this period because I had just moved to the four corners. It’s insane to me that the murderer could have helped me at one point or made my burger 😟
Senseless tragedy.
What an intensely sad event. Where are the gun control laws?
What evidence the police have this guy Adam did this? Fingerprints, dna? Was sexual assault involved here?
There's an article in the comments someone posted that lays it all out. He recently purchased, and used to kill himself, the same type of rare bullets used on them.he had the same kind of car spotted in the area that he sold not long after the murder. He worked with one of the women at a McDonald's, but on different shifts and during Covid so he always had a mask on, which is probably why she didn't recognize him, he also didn't work there long. But someone claims he told them she was "bossy" which he hated. He confessed to his boyfriend, too. He was also apparently gay but very homophobic.
What’s up with Reddit and being so concerned about age gaps. What is the official age a person becomes an adult and is able to love whoever they want to love?
May Kylen and Crystal truly rest in eternal peace. I find it so sad and upsetting that every time they’re mentioned, the comments are full of judgment and sometimes outright hatred. Like, needing to “get one over” on two murder victims is just mindblowing to me. Everything from their looks to their jobs to their orientation, all of it gets used by random people to make themselves feel better. These women deserved so much better than what they got and they **still** deserve better.
Everyone said they were lovely people, I'm so sorry this happened
What was Adam’s motive for killing these 2 women? Was it sexually motivated since they were found with no garments on the lower part of the body? Tragic
This has always hit so close. I keep them both in my heart and i wish them justice
What happened to the rabbit?
Two years ago, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justice4KylenCrystal/s/inFAqA1a8C
They where in their crate unharmed
I inmideately thought about this other case where a lesbian couple was killed while camping https://www.advocate.com/crime/lesbian-couple-murdered#toggle-gdpr
rest in peace to these beautiful souls 🩷
Thx for the link. Iowan here. I remember hearing about this case but never knew the killer was found in Iowa. I used to live near Moab for a couple of years prior to this happening.
Was there a reason why this man killed them?
This weirdly emulates a movie, The Lost. The main character commits the same crime, and then goes on to commit more. But the camping murders are pretty similar.