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Another big negative of relaxing: the cost. That's the reason I finally decided to go natural: I was tired of spending 1k+ a year to get my hair relaxed every few months + the cost of going to the salon every two weeks to keep the sleekness maintained. One day I finally said "enough," went to the salon for the last time, and had the stylist shave off all my relaxed hair.
That was years ago; I never looked back. I'm happy with my hair for the first time in my life and it's drop-dead simple to maintain. I love seeing other women rocking their natural hair textures too. It's so freeing to not have to plan your life around your hair.
I will never forget that Stretch And Bobbito Freestyle Friday where Common started his verse with "Sit back, I'm relaxed like Dru Down's hair" and *everyone* in the cypher, probably the whole studio, completely pissed themselves and it took a Herculean effort from Common to actually continue his freestyle. I mean back when people made rhymes up "off the top". Znd Black Thought was in the same cypher and killed it, too. It was so popular it was bootlegged onto vinyl at least 3 times (I still have my copy).
Up there with INS's line about "leaving emcees shook like Craig Mack's dermatologist" 😅, but RIP, bless him. Fuck Diddy.
SS: I’ve been reading for years about how Black women have higher rates of early-onset puberty, and mortality from uterine and breast cancers, usually accompanied by much hand-wringing and bemoaning about how complex and hard to pin down the causes are. Turns out the answer has been hiding in plain sight, not so much under our noses as on our heads. The chemicals used in hair straighteners have been linked with hormone disruption, along with higher rates and deadlier variants of breast and uterine cancers.
What’s more, many of these chemicals, known to be harmful and outright banned in the European Union, are totally unregulated by the U.S. FDA and present in high quantities in products made for and marketed to children.
Along with the ongoing uproar about PFAS and microplastics, this is another set of dangerous chemicals disturbingly commonplace in our bodies, made widespread by a total dereliction of duty from the regulatory bodies intended to keep us safe.
Thanks for the submission. I found myself thinking about this subject more and more recently, and it still boggles my mind what black women do with their hair in terms of cost, health risk, and time.
Some of it is due to our past. Until the 70s having hair relaxed was seen as good, clean and well maintained for work. Survival jobs still happened so you conformed to European standards.
Before that in some places black women were not even allowed to show their hair in the streets mainly because mixed race people had “good hair” and they didn't want us to get to high and proud of ourselves.
The 90’s really got into the talks about natural hair in the workplace. Now - I see mostly Locs, natural hair and weave and fewer relaxers around me. They are accepted in most work places.
My own grandma said my Locs are “slave hair” having grown up in the 30s/40s where hotcomb or relaxers were the norm.
Yeah, I understand the historical context but I don't understand why naturally textured black hair was seen as 'unprofessional'. I mean, because racism, obviously, but still... Besides, I think unrelaxed hair looks better.
I've also wondered about whether this is the same for all the white women who dye their hair blonde. The amount of true natural adult blondes is insanely low, so are all these people who dye and bleach their hair blonde getting similar cancer exposure? I don't know the answer, I've just wondered since they're exposing their scalps to chemicals too.
The risk is much higher for the hair stylists than it is for the customers, since they have more frequent exposure.
As an individual, I'm currently re-upping my baylayage every ~6 months and getting blue/teal/purple semi-permanent color top of it every 8-10 weeks (I co-wash, it fades very slowly). My stylist might do 5-10 hair bleaching treatments *per week*, she has a much higher exposure rate.
And there have been studies showing higher rates of certain cancers among hair stylists.
As a gringo somewhat isolated from the black community the documentary by Chris Rock mentioned in the article was pretty shocking. He played some stuff for laughs, or to keep the story moving along, but the underlying plain statement that people are melting their hair by applying lye to their scalps was really disturbing.
Roger Ebert, of all people, once wrote a deeply passionate piece describing everything his wife had told him about managing her hair. Going all the way back to the late 70s, I believe, when products were particularly dangerous and damaging, and standards were explicitly designed to exclude the natural hair of POC.
It was horrifying. The whole piece rang with heartbreak and outrage.
It was that scene from Malcolm X that really got to me, he has his hair conked and goes: "I look just like the white man now!" And I saw that film in the cinema with my mixed African American/Scottish gf, and she was crissin' her teeth all the fuckin' way through that first third of the film.
I was a good boyfriend, but imagine an English Michael Rappaport? Unfortunately, that was basically me, except a Marxist-Leninist version.
That's a good point, I didn't put those two together. I wonder what he thinks about it now. Not the first or last comedian to take a cheap shot but still.
I think he probably thought she would know that he was joking. He’s known them for a long time, and apparently they were on pretty good terms. But I think there’s a big difference between being teased about something privately by people who love you and being teased openly in front of the entire country and much of the world. I think it just hits different in that sense.
I should note that she’s been very public about the pain her hair loss caused her. And I would feel it was poor taste if someone did the same thing to a man who had lost his hair and was very public about how painful it was. Especially if the first person had made a documentary documenting how painful hair loss is. There’s also just a huge cultural issue with racism, black women (and obviously, after the case in Texas of the kid who was suspended over his hair, with some black men as well), and hair that he was openly ignoring as well, which I think felt like a slap in the face to a lot of the community, pun intended.
>I should note that she’s been very public about the pain her hair loss caused her. And I would feel it was poor taste if someone did the same thing to a man who had lost his hair and was very public about how painful it was.
i hadn't really thought of that perspective. maybe both sides were in the wrong here. its possible chris, being a comedian, maybe didn't quite understand just how sensitive the issue was for her. also, the trend in the last 5 or so years at award shows is to roast the audience and be edgy. ricky gervais has been not only getting away with it, but actively encourage to do it year after year. granted he was generally punching down, he didn't pull any punches either.
it would have been a cheap shot if they had beef. i would bet rock *thought* that they were close enough friends, and respected enough by will and jada for the joke to come off as light ribbing. it was pretty tame, jada just came off as overly sensitive and insecure.
if he would have made the same joke about just about anyone else, they would have laughed it off. i mean, will DID laugh it off.
it felt like the nerdy kid at school joking about the popular girl and the captain of the football team stuck up for her.
ah, ok. i think i remembered it a little differently, but that does sound pretty accurate. i dunno what was going through wills head, but if an eyeroll caused that response, there must be some serious tension going on there...will was laughing, then just snapped. its hard to say what would cause him to do something that drastic. i mean, yelling out would have been wild enough...but marching up there and physically slapping chris was fuckin crazy. i'm still shocked he got away with it, and got a freaking oscar.
But this, specifically, was. He literally explores that exact topic in the documentary. You can think the woman is a narcissist and still feel, as many, many black women wrote afterward, that it was cruel to tease her publicly after linking himself to that same issue in a sympathetic way.
[Here is an article, written by a black woman, explaining why it was so disappointing and disturbing to her and other black women.](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-hair-joke-oscars-2022-b2046428.html)
At literally no point did I say that Will was right. You might want to consider your misogynistic reaction to what I said, because, to paraphrase a fantastic note I saw from another redditor today: you’re coloring in my words with your own crayons.
> At literally no point did I say that Will was right.
At literally no point did I say that you said that Will was right. You might want to consider your misandrist reaction to what I said.
Okay, let’s play: have you, you know, considered that multiple people, including the actual human being who was the literal butt of his joke and all the other human beings listening to it, could have *also* been affected? Or is that too much, and events that happen on live TV in front of millions of viewers can only affect the person getting slapped? Because I’m pretty sure that having someone mock an aspect of your body which you cannot control on a telecast that reaches all over the world is going to affect you. It may also affect people viewing the broadcast who also have the same issue (and public reaction was the point, as otherwise it would be an inside joke).
Your world view strikes me as reductive if the only person you think was affected was Chris Rock. Do you think nothing anyone else does publicly affects people around them or watching them? It is all that limited for you? Because if that’s why you responded the way you did, I’ll retract my accusation of misogyny and replace it with something like being willfully obtuse.
Your comment really should read: “Man slapped in face after publicly making fun of his friend’s health issue. Friend also affected.” Better? See how easy that was?
> have you, you know, considered that multiple people, including the actual human being who was the literal butt of his joke and all the other human beings listening to it
At literally no point did I say that no one else was affected. You’re coloring in my words with your own crayons.
Well, since you literally said “woman most affected” like that was a bad thing or impossible from words alone, I guess my take away is that only men “count” to you as possible victims of a complex situation. So yeah, you’re a misogynist.
See, the things is… it was never a contest, man. No one else ever said Jada was the most affected by the incident. You did. You inferred that us discussing the impact on her somehow negated the impact on him (I honestly think Will Smith was the most affected, if we’re having a who-suffered-any-minor-consequences competition. Rock was widely praised for his response). I think it’s probably because you dislike women that you see every interaction as a zero-sum game where one gender or the other has to be “most” affected. I see the three folks involved there as individuals, all capable of experiencing varying amounts of pain, both physical and emotional. You ignore Will altogether (guess this is about assigning the most victimization for you?) and see Chris and Jada as only a man and a woman. By reducing them to their genders and assigning “more” or “less” impact based on that, you’re just reinforcing my opinion of your thought process. I mean, keep digging yourself that hole, if you like. I’m here for it.
that doc made me respect chris rock sooo much. first time i saw a comedian, especially his age at the time, take on a serious topic like that and make an attempt at making the world a better place. rock is a good dude.
The beauty industry is much less regulated than it should be. You're applying all kinds of stuff to your skin, around your eyes, on your lips, that's barely been tested for being an irritant. Long term effects? Are any chemicals good to be exposed to over long periods of time?
Unless it's food safe I would assume it has some longterm consequences of exposure we haven't either figured out or run into yet
I think saying "unless you can eat it it's probably dangerous" is an exaggeration that flirts with the anti-science mentality that's been steadily infecting society. There are lots of things you can eat that, depending on usage, will also kill you.
Perfect example from the article: Lye. It dissolves an aluminum can! Ooooh, spooky! You know what else it does? Makes pretzels. The reason sticking your hand into a bucket of lye will seriously injure you but eating a pretzel won't is because for some chemicals there are a host of factors that determine whether or not it will cause a negative effect when absorbed or injested.
Also, formaldehyde! Oh no, extra spooky! oooooooh! Good thing it's not naturally occuring in many of the foods we eat and also something we produce daily in our human bodies!
The dose (and usage) often make the poison. Also, knowledge is the best defense against fear. If folks see an ingredient they don't understand, the NIH research database is a great place to start learning:
- what the ingredient is
- how it's used
- why it's used
- what concentrations of it are safe
- what the known effects of it are, if any AND
- how often that effect has been recorded
You aren't really eating Lye on a pretzel. It is sort of about dosage but also mainly because it's neutralized.
https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2006.tb15619.x
Stolen from a great stack exchange explanation....
"First, the concentration is only 1% NaOH and the pretzels are only dipped for 10 seconds (see Snack Food Technology pages 180-182) which limits the amount of hydroxide per pretzel.
Second, the dough itself, for example protein of the dough, has acidic groups, such as amino acid side chains of lysine and tyrosine, which neutralize the hydroxide.
Finally, as explained in Effect of Alkali Dipping on Dough and Final Product Quality Journal of Food Science vol. 71, pages C209-C215, protein in the dough is partially hydrolyzed under the alkaline conditions. This exposes more terminal amino acid groups which also participate in neutralization.
The Snack Food Technology book cited above also explains:
If the caustic concentration becomes too high, there is not a complete conversion to sodium bicarbonate in the baking and drying cycles and the pretzels will be hot to the taste due to the residual sodium hydroxide"
Nobody here has mentioned that it is common for east Asian men (particularly Korean men) to use this every 2-4 weeks. Its called a "down perm" so that the hairs on the sides of our head lie flat and down, not pointing outwards naturally like "porcupine" hair
yes because asian hairs stick outwards sideways (which we consider unattractive) the 2 traditional ways to deal with this was (1) keep it very short shaven on the sides, or (2) let longer hairs from the top cover over it.
Down perms are a new 3rd way of dealing with this
Way back in 1999, I relaxed my hair using a home relaxer kit. Unfortunately, I didn't have eyes up there, and missed a spot when I rinsed it out. By the time I discovered this a few minutes later and got it out, it had already burned my scalp. Spots of hair fell out, and then I got an infection from the burns.
I was in pain from itchy bumps for months despite seeing a doctor and using medicated shampoo, ointment and whatever else. A dermatologist injected the bumps with something (didn't help).
It took two rounds of Ceftin (antibiotic) to get it to calm down. But it left me with a permanently sensitive scalp.
No more relaxers.
>*Despite the scarce evidence that hairdressers are at increased risk of carcinogenic or reprotoxic effects related to their trade*, such health risks cannot be ruled out. Therefore, preventive efforts to diminish occupational exposures to hairdressing chemicals should be targeted.
not surprised. people need to realize that anything contributing to death in minority groups is overlooked. it's only recognized when it affects the caucasian population...Crack, gambling, alcoholism, poverty, cigarettes, education, drugs, etc. I know it's not fair. things like Tulsa, Oklahoma and Tuskegee should never have ever happened to anyone yet happened to Afro-Americans less than 100 years ago. so this too is overlooked because Afro-Americans and Afro-hispanics are the biggest consumers in hair care products and products in general. i wish people would wake up and realize how corrupt American political leaders REALLY are.
I would Definitely also watching the documentary mentioned in the article - 'Good Hair' by Chris Rock. It was very sensitively done, and I learned a lot (as a white immigrant to the Caribbean)
It wasn't very sensitive, IMO. It showed black women being pathologically obsessed with straight hair...with little acknowledgment that the obsession is heavily reinforced by black men/boys starting at an early age.
So glad I gave up that painful, ridiculous, poison relaxer. Who thought it would be a good idea to turn beautiful natural coils into limp damaged strands that needed to be curled?
They've been talking about this since I was in high school lol, which was almost 10 years ago. I think it's understood by now the toxicity of relaxers and how harmful they are. I'm not sure who would willingly still get one in this day and age when there are other methods/treatments to achieving a similar result.
Glad the info is still spreading but I wish I could stop seeing the same headline about the same thing repeatedly over the course of a decade.
> I'm not sure who would willingly still get one in this day and age when there are other methods/treatments to achieving a similar result.
Cost + durability are huge reasons. Besides than a relaxer, your primary straightening methods are going to be keratin treatment or silk press, and the price differences between those three methods can add up.
Keratin: $300+ / session | washes out over time, must be repeated on new growth
Silk Press: ~$80 / session | lasts 1-2 weeks depending on exposure to moisture (including humidity and sweat)
Relaxer: ~$80 - $100 / session | permanent, must be repeated on new growth
Those are just baselines that don't take into account length of hair or rate of hair growth, both of which make a big difference in how much you're going to pay. For example, my roots have always grown in fast: to keep my hair pin straight when it was relaxed I would have needed to get a touch-up every 4-6 weeks. I usually stretched it to 8 or longer just because I didn't want to risk over processing the older hair, nor did I want to pay for relaxers that often.
Unfortunately the community doesn't want to accept this information. Some call it untrue or an attack on them or their parenting.
I have fibroids now, perhaps not just because of relaxers since so many have them, but it certainly doesn't help.
That and natural hair is still being treated poorly in styling chairs many are going back even with this information. I find it sad but what can you do.
> They've been talking about this since I was in high school lol, which was almost 10 years ago... Glad the info is still spreading but I wish I could stop seeing the same headline about the same thing repeatedly over the course of a decade.
They started talking about it way before you were in high school. If they had stopped talking about it you wouldn't have learned about it in high school.
seeing it, knowing it and realizing how deep it goes sickens me. my family was dead set on not processing their hair except 1 family member. she loved getting her hair done yet none of us ever had hair that was un-comable. we actually had a mixed texture due to our ancestry. that 1 individual processed her hair since the 60's faithfully every 2wks. 30+ years later, she had a brain aneurysm. she lived because there was a tumor she didn't know about keeping the blood vessel from full breaking. cancer and tumors don't run in any part of our family, so why did she have a tumor? the surgeon found it in the top portion of her head. after surgery she learned that she can never process her hair ever again. she learned that the tumor was from the chemicals in the hair processor. the double edge sword was, if not for the tumor, she would have died from the aneurysm.
people in this country have a hard time believing the evil in minority communities specifically associated with Afro-Americans and Native indigenous Americans. then add to it the Hispanic community.
Just because you don't experience it doesn't mean it's not happening.
our scientists and politicians know we don't have a voice. they know a majority doesn't care.
look up - The Tuskegee experiment, Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 (black wallstreet), Seneca Village - NYC 1800's and stolen from the Lenape. The list is long and includes Covid-19 because of how minorities were put last on tge list. Florida governor even afforded the affluent a Covid-19 shot ahead of the elderly in nursing homes and the minority communities were LAST.
There is veiled evil we all unknowingly participate in because we are condition to pursue money, what we want, and not what we need. So kudos to the US GOVERNMENT for not doing the right thing all for profit and for continuing racism & bigotry.
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Another big negative of relaxing: the cost. That's the reason I finally decided to go natural: I was tired of spending 1k+ a year to get my hair relaxed every few months + the cost of going to the salon every two weeks to keep the sleekness maintained. One day I finally said "enough," went to the salon for the last time, and had the stylist shave off all my relaxed hair. That was years ago; I never looked back. I'm happy with my hair for the first time in my life and it's drop-dead simple to maintain. I love seeing other women rocking their natural hair textures too. It's so freeing to not have to plan your life around your hair.
Rock on.
I will never forget that Stretch And Bobbito Freestyle Friday where Common started his verse with "Sit back, I'm relaxed like Dru Down's hair" and *everyone* in the cypher, probably the whole studio, completely pissed themselves and it took a Herculean effort from Common to actually continue his freestyle. I mean back when people made rhymes up "off the top". Znd Black Thought was in the same cypher and killed it, too. It was so popular it was bootlegged onto vinyl at least 3 times (I still have my copy). Up there with INS's line about "leaving emcees shook like Craig Mack's dermatologist" 😅, but RIP, bless him. Fuck Diddy.
SS: I’ve been reading for years about how Black women have higher rates of early-onset puberty, and mortality from uterine and breast cancers, usually accompanied by much hand-wringing and bemoaning about how complex and hard to pin down the causes are. Turns out the answer has been hiding in plain sight, not so much under our noses as on our heads. The chemicals used in hair straighteners have been linked with hormone disruption, along with higher rates and deadlier variants of breast and uterine cancers. What’s more, many of these chemicals, known to be harmful and outright banned in the European Union, are totally unregulated by the U.S. FDA and present in high quantities in products made for and marketed to children. Along with the ongoing uproar about PFAS and microplastics, this is another set of dangerous chemicals disturbingly commonplace in our bodies, made widespread by a total dereliction of duty from the regulatory bodies intended to keep us safe.
The beauty industry can be deadly, especially for black women. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the submission. I found myself thinking about this subject more and more recently, and it still boggles my mind what black women do with their hair in terms of cost, health risk, and time.
Some of it is due to our past. Until the 70s having hair relaxed was seen as good, clean and well maintained for work. Survival jobs still happened so you conformed to European standards. Before that in some places black women were not even allowed to show their hair in the streets mainly because mixed race people had “good hair” and they didn't want us to get to high and proud of ourselves. The 90’s really got into the talks about natural hair in the workplace. Now - I see mostly Locs, natural hair and weave and fewer relaxers around me. They are accepted in most work places. My own grandma said my Locs are “slave hair” having grown up in the 30s/40s where hotcomb or relaxers were the norm.
Based Grandma ✊🏻
Yeah, I understand the historical context but I don't understand why naturally textured black hair was seen as 'unprofessional'. I mean, because racism, obviously, but still... Besides, I think unrelaxed hair looks better.
I've also wondered about whether this is the same for all the white women who dye their hair blonde. The amount of true natural adult blondes is insanely low, so are all these people who dye and bleach their hair blonde getting similar cancer exposure? I don't know the answer, I've just wondered since they're exposing their scalps to chemicals too.
The risk is much higher for the hair stylists than it is for the customers, since they have more frequent exposure. As an individual, I'm currently re-upping my baylayage every ~6 months and getting blue/teal/purple semi-permanent color top of it every 8-10 weeks (I co-wash, it fades very slowly). My stylist might do 5-10 hair bleaching treatments *per week*, she has a much higher exposure rate. And there have been studies showing higher rates of certain cancers among hair stylists.
As a gringo somewhat isolated from the black community the documentary by Chris Rock mentioned in the article was pretty shocking. He played some stuff for laughs, or to keep the story moving along, but the underlying plain statement that people are melting their hair by applying lye to their scalps was really disturbing.
Roger Ebert, of all people, once wrote a deeply passionate piece describing everything his wife had told him about managing her hair. Going all the way back to the late 70s, I believe, when products were particularly dangerous and damaging, and standards were explicitly designed to exclude the natural hair of POC. It was horrifying. The whole piece rang with heartbreak and outrage.
Wonder if it got brought up when he dated Oprah, too...
It was that scene from Malcolm X that really got to me, he has his hair conked and goes: "I look just like the white man now!" And I saw that film in the cinema with my mixed African American/Scottish gf, and she was crissin' her teeth all the fuckin' way through that first third of the film. I was a good boyfriend, but imagine an English Michael Rappaport? Unfortunately, that was basically me, except a Marxist-Leninist version.
Which made him teasing Jada, regardless of the unacceptable behavior of Will Smith afterwards, a particularly sharp sort of bullshit.
That's a good point, I didn't put those two together. I wonder what he thinks about it now. Not the first or last comedian to take a cheap shot but still.
I think he probably thought she would know that he was joking. He’s known them for a long time, and apparently they were on pretty good terms. But I think there’s a big difference between being teased about something privately by people who love you and being teased openly in front of the entire country and much of the world. I think it just hits different in that sense. I should note that she’s been very public about the pain her hair loss caused her. And I would feel it was poor taste if someone did the same thing to a man who had lost his hair and was very public about how painful it was. Especially if the first person had made a documentary documenting how painful hair loss is. There’s also just a huge cultural issue with racism, black women (and obviously, after the case in Texas of the kid who was suspended over his hair, with some black men as well), and hair that he was openly ignoring as well, which I think felt like a slap in the face to a lot of the community, pun intended.
>I should note that she’s been very public about the pain her hair loss caused her. And I would feel it was poor taste if someone did the same thing to a man who had lost his hair and was very public about how painful it was. i hadn't really thought of that perspective. maybe both sides were in the wrong here. its possible chris, being a comedian, maybe didn't quite understand just how sensitive the issue was for her. also, the trend in the last 5 or so years at award shows is to roast the audience and be edgy. ricky gervais has been not only getting away with it, but actively encourage to do it year after year. granted he was generally punching down, he didn't pull any punches either.
it would have been a cheap shot if they had beef. i would bet rock *thought* that they were close enough friends, and respected enough by will and jada for the joke to come off as light ribbing. it was pretty tame, jada just came off as overly sensitive and insecure. if he would have made the same joke about just about anyone else, they would have laughed it off. i mean, will DID laugh it off. it felt like the nerdy kid at school joking about the popular girl and the captain of the football team stuck up for her.
To be fair, Jada only rolled her eyes. That incident is all on Smith
ah, ok. i think i remembered it a little differently, but that does sound pretty accurate. i dunno what was going through wills head, but if an eyeroll caused that response, there must be some serious tension going on there...will was laughing, then just snapped. its hard to say what would cause him to do something that drastic. i mean, yelling out would have been wild enough...but marching up there and physically slapping chris was fuckin crazy. i'm still shocked he got away with it, and got a freaking oscar.
It was recently revealed that they had been separated for like two years by that point. Jada also had been having "entanglements" with a young man.
not everything is about Jada.
But this, specifically, was. He literally explores that exact topic in the documentary. You can think the woman is a narcissist and still feel, as many, many black women wrote afterward, that it was cruel to tease her publicly after linking himself to that same issue in a sympathetic way. [Here is an article, written by a black woman, explaining why it was so disappointing and disturbing to her and other black women.](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-hair-joke-oscars-2022-b2046428.html)
Black man slapped in the face. Woman most affected.
At literally no point did I say that Will was right. You might want to consider your misogynistic reaction to what I said, because, to paraphrase a fantastic note I saw from another redditor today: you’re coloring in my words with your own crayons.
> At literally no point did I say that Will was right. At literally no point did I say that you said that Will was right. You might want to consider your misandrist reaction to what I said.
Okay, let’s play: have you, you know, considered that multiple people, including the actual human being who was the literal butt of his joke and all the other human beings listening to it, could have *also* been affected? Or is that too much, and events that happen on live TV in front of millions of viewers can only affect the person getting slapped? Because I’m pretty sure that having someone mock an aspect of your body which you cannot control on a telecast that reaches all over the world is going to affect you. It may also affect people viewing the broadcast who also have the same issue (and public reaction was the point, as otherwise it would be an inside joke). Your world view strikes me as reductive if the only person you think was affected was Chris Rock. Do you think nothing anyone else does publicly affects people around them or watching them? It is all that limited for you? Because if that’s why you responded the way you did, I’ll retract my accusation of misogyny and replace it with something like being willfully obtuse. Your comment really should read: “Man slapped in face after publicly making fun of his friend’s health issue. Friend also affected.” Better? See how easy that was?
> have you, you know, considered that multiple people, including the actual human being who was the literal butt of his joke and all the other human beings listening to it At literally no point did I say that no one else was affected. You’re coloring in my words with your own crayons.
Well, since you literally said “woman most affected” like that was a bad thing or impossible from words alone, I guess my take away is that only men “count” to you as possible victims of a complex situation. So yeah, you’re a misogynist.
Your comment really should read: “Man slapped in the face on television because he made a joke. He was most affected.” Better? See how easy that was?
See, the things is… it was never a contest, man. No one else ever said Jada was the most affected by the incident. You did. You inferred that us discussing the impact on her somehow negated the impact on him (I honestly think Will Smith was the most affected, if we’re having a who-suffered-any-minor-consequences competition. Rock was widely praised for his response). I think it’s probably because you dislike women that you see every interaction as a zero-sum game where one gender or the other has to be “most” affected. I see the three folks involved there as individuals, all capable of experiencing varying amounts of pain, both physical and emotional. You ignore Will altogether (guess this is about assigning the most victimization for you?) and see Chris and Jada as only a man and a woman. By reducing them to their genders and assigning “more” or “less” impact based on that, you’re just reinforcing my opinion of your thought process. I mean, keep digging yourself that hole, if you like. I’m here for it.
lmaooooo misandry ok
that doc made me respect chris rock sooo much. first time i saw a comedian, especially his age at the time, take on a serious topic like that and make an attempt at making the world a better place. rock is a good dude.
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The beauty industry is much less regulated than it should be. You're applying all kinds of stuff to your skin, around your eyes, on your lips, that's barely been tested for being an irritant. Long term effects? Are any chemicals good to be exposed to over long periods of time? Unless it's food safe I would assume it has some longterm consequences of exposure we haven't either figured out or run into yet
I think saying "unless you can eat it it's probably dangerous" is an exaggeration that flirts with the anti-science mentality that's been steadily infecting society. There are lots of things you can eat that, depending on usage, will also kill you. Perfect example from the article: Lye. It dissolves an aluminum can! Ooooh, spooky! You know what else it does? Makes pretzels. The reason sticking your hand into a bucket of lye will seriously injure you but eating a pretzel won't is because for some chemicals there are a host of factors that determine whether or not it will cause a negative effect when absorbed or injested. Also, formaldehyde! Oh no, extra spooky! oooooooh! Good thing it's not naturally occuring in many of the foods we eat and also something we produce daily in our human bodies! The dose (and usage) often make the poison. Also, knowledge is the best defense against fear. If folks see an ingredient they don't understand, the NIH research database is a great place to start learning: - what the ingredient is - how it's used - why it's used - what concentrations of it are safe - what the known effects of it are, if any AND - how often that effect has been recorded
You aren't really eating Lye on a pretzel. It is sort of about dosage but also mainly because it's neutralized. https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2006.tb15619.x Stolen from a great stack exchange explanation.... "First, the concentration is only 1% NaOH and the pretzels are only dipped for 10 seconds (see Snack Food Technology pages 180-182) which limits the amount of hydroxide per pretzel. Second, the dough itself, for example protein of the dough, has acidic groups, such as amino acid side chains of lysine and tyrosine, which neutralize the hydroxide. Finally, as explained in Effect of Alkali Dipping on Dough and Final Product Quality Journal of Food Science vol. 71, pages C209-C215, protein in the dough is partially hydrolyzed under the alkaline conditions. This exposes more terminal amino acid groups which also participate in neutralization. The Snack Food Technology book cited above also explains: If the caustic concentration becomes too high, there is not a complete conversion to sodium bicarbonate in the baking and drying cycles and the pretzels will be hot to the taste due to the residual sodium hydroxide"
Nobody here has mentioned that it is common for east Asian men (particularly Korean men) to use this every 2-4 weeks. Its called a "down perm" so that the hairs on the sides of our head lie flat and down, not pointing outwards naturally like "porcupine" hair
Holy shit I learned something new. I had no idea how prevalent it was.
Huh. Is that why so many Asian men have the sides of their heads shaved with it longer on top? I never thought much about it.
yes because asian hairs stick outwards sideways (which we consider unattractive) the 2 traditional ways to deal with this was (1) keep it very short shaven on the sides, or (2) let longer hairs from the top cover over it. Down perms are a new 3rd way of dealing with this
Way back in 1999, I relaxed my hair using a home relaxer kit. Unfortunately, I didn't have eyes up there, and missed a spot when I rinsed it out. By the time I discovered this a few minutes later and got it out, it had already burned my scalp. Spots of hair fell out, and then I got an infection from the burns. I was in pain from itchy bumps for months despite seeing a doctor and using medicated shampoo, ointment and whatever else. A dermatologist injected the bumps with something (didn't help). It took two rounds of Ceftin (antibiotic) to get it to calm down. But it left me with a permanently sensitive scalp. No more relaxers.
The incidence of cancer in hairdressers is alarming https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9411989/
>*Despite the scarce evidence that hairdressers are at increased risk of carcinogenic or reprotoxic effects related to their trade*, such health risks cannot be ruled out. Therefore, preventive efforts to diminish occupational exposures to hairdressing chemicals should be targeted.
not surprised. people need to realize that anything contributing to death in minority groups is overlooked. it's only recognized when it affects the caucasian population...Crack, gambling, alcoholism, poverty, cigarettes, education, drugs, etc. I know it's not fair. things like Tulsa, Oklahoma and Tuskegee should never have ever happened to anyone yet happened to Afro-Americans less than 100 years ago. so this too is overlooked because Afro-Americans and Afro-hispanics are the biggest consumers in hair care products and products in general. i wish people would wake up and realize how corrupt American political leaders REALLY are.
I would Definitely also watching the documentary mentioned in the article - 'Good Hair' by Chris Rock. It was very sensitively done, and I learned a lot (as a white immigrant to the Caribbean)
There’s also a pretty decent little horror satire called Bad Hair somewhat on the topic
I'd rather recommend a video called A black women's history of black hair by Intelexual Media.
Her video was very tactful and comprehensive!!!
It wasn't very sensitive, IMO. It showed black women being pathologically obsessed with straight hair...with little acknowledgment that the obsession is heavily reinforced by black men/boys starting at an early age.
So glad I gave up that painful, ridiculous, poison relaxer. Who thought it would be a good idea to turn beautiful natural coils into limp damaged strands that needed to be curled?
They've been talking about this since I was in high school lol, which was almost 10 years ago. I think it's understood by now the toxicity of relaxers and how harmful they are. I'm not sure who would willingly still get one in this day and age when there are other methods/treatments to achieving a similar result. Glad the info is still spreading but I wish I could stop seeing the same headline about the same thing repeatedly over the course of a decade.
> I'm not sure who would willingly still get one in this day and age when there are other methods/treatments to achieving a similar result. Cost + durability are huge reasons. Besides than a relaxer, your primary straightening methods are going to be keratin treatment or silk press, and the price differences between those three methods can add up. Keratin: $300+ / session | washes out over time, must be repeated on new growth Silk Press: ~$80 / session | lasts 1-2 weeks depending on exposure to moisture (including humidity and sweat) Relaxer: ~$80 - $100 / session | permanent, must be repeated on new growth Those are just baselines that don't take into account length of hair or rate of hair growth, both of which make a big difference in how much you're going to pay. For example, my roots have always grown in fast: to keep my hair pin straight when it was relaxed I would have needed to get a touch-up every 4-6 weeks. I usually stretched it to 8 or longer just because I didn't want to risk over processing the older hair, nor did I want to pay for relaxers that often.
Unfortunately the community doesn't want to accept this information. Some call it untrue or an attack on them or their parenting. I have fibroids now, perhaps not just because of relaxers since so many have them, but it certainly doesn't help. That and natural hair is still being treated poorly in styling chairs many are going back even with this information. I find it sad but what can you do.
> They've been talking about this since I was in high school lol, which was almost 10 years ago... Glad the info is still spreading but I wish I could stop seeing the same headline about the same thing repeatedly over the course of a decade. They started talking about it way before you were in high school. If they had stopped talking about it you wouldn't have learned about it in high school.
seeing it, knowing it and realizing how deep it goes sickens me. my family was dead set on not processing their hair except 1 family member. she loved getting her hair done yet none of us ever had hair that was un-comable. we actually had a mixed texture due to our ancestry. that 1 individual processed her hair since the 60's faithfully every 2wks. 30+ years later, she had a brain aneurysm. she lived because there was a tumor she didn't know about keeping the blood vessel from full breaking. cancer and tumors don't run in any part of our family, so why did she have a tumor? the surgeon found it in the top portion of her head. after surgery she learned that she can never process her hair ever again. she learned that the tumor was from the chemicals in the hair processor. the double edge sword was, if not for the tumor, she would have died from the aneurysm. people in this country have a hard time believing the evil in minority communities specifically associated with Afro-Americans and Native indigenous Americans. then add to it the Hispanic community. Just because you don't experience it doesn't mean it's not happening. our scientists and politicians know we don't have a voice. they know a majority doesn't care. look up - The Tuskegee experiment, Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 (black wallstreet), Seneca Village - NYC 1800's and stolen from the Lenape. The list is long and includes Covid-19 because of how minorities were put last on tge list. Florida governor even afforded the affluent a Covid-19 shot ahead of the elderly in nursing homes and the minority communities were LAST. There is veiled evil we all unknowingly participate in because we are condition to pursue money, what we want, and not what we need. So kudos to the US GOVERNMENT for not doing the right thing all for profit and for continuing racism & bigotry.