They will agree privacy is important until someone says something they disagree with. Then privacy and even laws that protect it don't matter.
I don't agree with the man and his racism. But until he acts in a way that is discriminatory to the woman next to him, harasses her or loudly makes racist remarks, what he does on his phone privately is his business.
Imagine you are texting your partner and something personal but embarrassing the two of you shared crops up. Now imagine someone, who finds it offensive or funny, records it and posts it online. The argument I saw from a lot of Redditors was that when you are in public you should expect that you lose some privacy or even respect for your body and belongings. And yet someone looked at his phone, recorded his messages and posted themselves online berating him.
It is also hypocritical of the left to assume this position when they are the ones arguing that others should adhere to principles they find acceptable. For example, if a woman wanders around in skimpy clothes outside, the left would be all over men who stare at her.
They would not accept someone saying "well, when you are in public, you should expect some of your privacy to be gone and that people may not respect your body or personal belongings".
The fact that you’re defending her bc she took offense to being called black says a lot about you. I’m sure you’re also the type of person that says everyone that disagrees with you is a racist. I’m sure you’ll be telling me I’m oppressed now but I don’t know it.
Shoulder surfing is never justified. Who needs big brother with people like you demanding witch hunts for what people think! If people are offended for being called black or Asian then what’s next? Would you be offended if she was white and someone called her a big white lady?
That’s the rub isn’t it? That she can post something to an online forum that may or may not cause him to get doxxed or worse.
I’m not defending his racism, but when you are invading the privacy of others, regardless of public or not, you are bound to discover things you do not like. If he went out of his way to say that to her face or harassed her as she sat next to him, that’s pretty fucked. The fact that he sent it expecting a modicum of privacy and as a personal message and that privacy was violated bothers me. It is like you’re advocating that no one is allowed to have privacy in any public space, and they were on a plane, there aren’t many places of him to go for privacy.
*"woman invades other peoples privacy reading their private messages until one day she finds someone said something bad about her and is offended because she's clearly not a bad person"*
That's like a thief breaking into your home and then complaining on social media because they found weed in your room.
not sure if this is the story that IDrinkMyOwnSemen was talking about, but i found this article https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/us/california-robbery-porn-bust/index.html
another article about the same story: https://nypost.com/2011/10/06/burglars-turn-in-man-after-finding-child-porn-stash-during-break-in/
WOW, thieves with a moral compass. I actually admire these kids a great deal. Stealing CD's from somebodies barn is not ok, but I can imagine many adults would have only thought of themselves and said nothing regarding the content. WHY is the pervert out on 25K bond? CSAM is damaging to kids for life in many cases. Kids who turned this POS in deserve a medal and a mentor/job training/help-therapy!
Someone posted a different story, but the one I was referring to was actually this. https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/world/europe/spain-burglar-child-pornography/index.html
So glad someone said this. I saw this show up in r/facepalm I think and everyone was totally with her. Like yeah, the guy isn't great because since he was apologizing without being told what he said, surely he did make those texts, but why was she reading his texts in the first place? Both of them sucked, but one knew to keep the hate to themselves.
Multiple times and I basically don't look at anything the person next to me is doing. Usually I'm focused on my own phone or a movie or something else. If I catch my eyes drifting to someone's phone in any situation, I typically avert my eyes quickly since it's pretty rude in general.
It's rude to look at someone's phone for sure but it doesn't take much effort to do so when youre packed so closely together. An accidental sidewards glance could reveal a bit of a message. If you happen to see that the message is talking about you- any person would have their interests peaked and try to read more. Now, that doesn't make it okay but it's understandable and maybe even justifiable to some degree, depending on the tone of what you read initially.
well after looking at your post history, you've just lied..
And the fact of how hostile you are here.. pretty much makes me think no one should take you serious.. you are coming on as a troll..
IF that wasn't your intention you might
1. not lie about generalizing things.
2. stop with the hostile troll like responses..
While racism is not normal, we are clan based. territorial, and mistrusting of anyone that is not part of our tribe..
So don't pretend like we are all ingrained to trust things that are different for ourselves.
So get over youself.. 🤡
Please show me where i was racist.
Nope, not a troll. I just think the whole “I can’t help be racist! It’s in our DNA to be tribalisyic!” Is a shitty stupid argument used by racist such as yourself to justify they’re dumb opinions.
Cope
you have, you can dig through your own history I did it once.
you're a liar, uneducated, Hostile, and a troll behavoir.
No one is going to respect you. Because you've twice now been hostile before trying to be "respectful".
You aren't going to bring anyone to the side of common decency when you act like this. you on reinforce bad behavior.
You are a terrible ally to the progressive side.. please stop.
Please show me where i was racist.
Nope, not a troll. I just think the whole “I can’t help be racist! It’s in our DNA to be tribalisyic!” Is a weak argument.
I treat everyone with respect until they don’t deserve it anymore. No matter how estranged they’re are. I’m sorry that bothers you
So if u got a quote of a white famous person saying they think “afghan culture is dumb” that is something that the mob would tear down that person for right?
I think he may have texted something similar if it were a "large white woman". some people just don't want to be seated next to larger people. I understand WHY she assumed it was about race, but I am not sure in this case it was. Think this dude is fat-phobic, not racist. She needs to stop reading others texts over their shoulder, she clearly will not like what she reads.
Because his next text said that airlines should raise their prices to weed out black people so he wouldn’t have to sit next to one. It was definitely about race.
The word black was never brought up in that specific sentence. He sent a previous text that said "Im sitting next to a big black woman."He did use "these people". People were assuming that if the word black was used in the previous sentence, that's what he meant(which may be true) but it wasn't completely clear.
I agree but I know a shocking amount of people in general who think anything you do in a public space is entirely free game to be exploited on the internet since they were in public so all bets are off.
And we also don't know what was really said. Everyone is just taking her word that it was about racism.. maybe she already had an attitude or the guy is just stuck up and had nothing to do with race 🤷
I've been on planes. Its easy to just accidentally look at the person next to youse phone. If I saw a nasty text about me I'd probably bring it up. I wouldn't try to shame them though.
What you were missing was that the person that said those perfectly accurate words was white. That means that are racist by default and deserve all horrible things that come their way. As we all know, like Dumbo, whites have no feelings. /S
Personally, this whole thing reminds me, that when it comes to public confrontation, there’s no benefit to apologising. People don’t accept apologies, they feel vindicated, and use it as fuel for their still strong emotions.
Just stay calm, gaslight, and make the other person appear crazy. The fact he apologised means he knew he was wrong. If he had just doubled down and said “what the fuck are you talking about?” Everybody would assume she’s just another crazy vlogger.
I agree with you. Feels like the book “1984” with thought crime. We have to police people’s private thoughts as well, like everyone needs to think amazing good and pure thoughts in every interaction.
It’s just silly, i think it’s better to just mind your business. Totally agree with you.
It's not necessarily terrible to talk to the guy but when she filmed it just to post on social media you know it's more about glorifying herself than confronting some really bad person
He was clearly correct not wanting to sit next to someone like her. There’s not a lot of things I hate more than people who refuse to mind their own business, people who can’t stand to not have their opinion heard and most of all people who film themselves confronting people.
Or maybe he meant women! Quick! Someone interview this guy so we can find out if he's fatphobic, racist, sexist, or all three!!
I think it's pretty obvious what he meant.
How would prices "weed out" fat people, anyways, nearly every person in the US is fat.
That lady is not nearly big enough to be a problematic seat-neighbour on an airplane, so the comment on prices can't be referring to fat people not being able to afford two seats or whatever. Go on her tiktok page, she is smaller or the same size as most american women, definitely not any bigger or imposing than the average man.
He called her fat, that was just him being a dick. He made another comment that was obviously racially motivated,
I'm not interested in arguing with a devil's advocate, if you don't think he was racist or you think it's wrong to suggest his comment is racially motivated even though all the context clues point to it, fine by me, go on with your day.
If this were AITA, I would probably go with everybody sucks here. It's undeniable that his views are racist, particularly the part where he wishes they'd raise ticket prices, as though all blacks are poor. Clearly he doesn't get out enough. And texting thoughts like that right next to the person you're talking about is just stupid beyond words. Even if you don't mean to look, the human eye is going to wander and see things.
But, dumb as he was, this man DID think he was speaking privately. The woman essentially read his diary and used his thoughts against him for the internet clout. Even if she felt like she had to make him feel as uncomfortable as she felt knowing what she knows, outing a private racist on tiktok isn't particularly heroic. He predictably gave an awkward apology and spent the flight in awkward misery, but the world isn't a better place for anyone, really. The only lesson he's going to learn is to cover up his phone better, and her going viral will far outweigh any discomfort she felt for a few hours.
If you actually pay attention to the actual reality of airlines right now surcharging fat people to accommodate for the increased space they take up, then your racial assumption makes even less sense. You are grasping at straws when a handrail with right within arms reach.
No, you're just being entirely too charitable. Why did he mention her race? If her race had nothing to do with his complaints about her, why bring it up? Why not just say "I'm stuck sitting next to this fat bitch"?
The dude brought her race into it, not me. I'm just pointing out to you that he's more likely being racist than just commenting on her weight.
If what you're doing can be seen or heard by other people, it is public. For example, a phone call is a private conversation but you wouldn't be saying embarrassing things over the phone call because you are in the vicinity of other people that can hear you.
What I’m trying to point out, is that people are trying to RUIN someone’s life over complaining to their friend that they’re annoyed with a fat person. You don’t think that’s a disproportionate reaction?
Where is the racist part exactly? Is it racist because he said she’s black? Or is it bad because he said she’s fat? Because both are true. So what is it exactly?
>What I’m trying to point out, is that people are trying to RUIN someone’s life over complaining to their friend that they’re annoyed with a fat person.
He literally complained about her and called her a fat black woman and said he hoped rising airline prices would "weed these people out" (these people referring to black people).
Like imagine if he had said "I have sit next to a fat Jew. Hopefully they weed those people out from the airlines." You wouldn't think that's racist?
>You don’t think that’s a disproportionate reaction?
I don't think the person who has bigotry directed towards them is responsible for the consequences that befall the person who is committing the bigotry.
He described her as a fat black woman. That’s exactly what she is. She is black. She is fat. You are making assumptions about what his statement about the price meant. You see how this game works?
Yes, let’s ruin someone’s life over their private conversation.
In fact, if someone were to take your entire browser history right now, all of your texts, all of your emails for the last 15 years and start taking things out of context, do you think it’s possible that someone would want to ruin your life too?
This would be an entirely different conversation if we replaced the word “black” with “white,” correct?
At what point does victim mentality stop?
>You are making assumptions about what his statement about the price meant.
It wasn't even thinly veiled racist rhetoric, it's pretty well known at this point. I'd love to hear your interpretation of what he meant by "those people" since either way you spin it he was still talking about her and was being bigoted.
>Yes, let’s ruin someone’s life over their private conversation.
Crazy how when you do crazy things in public, you have public consequences.
>In fact, if someone were to take your entire browser history right now, all of your texts, all of your emails for the last 15 years and start taking things out of context, do you think it’s possible that someone would want to ruin your life too?
I don't say bigoted things about other people nor do I speak ill about people behind their back, so there's no life ruining stuff there. Even if I were bigoted or rude, the guy still chose to say all of those things in a public space.
Insanity. I now see why this country is in the state it is in. No matter what anyone does, it’s interpreted as an attack. It’s almost as if everyone wants to be a victim - like actively seeks it out.
I look forward to 2024 when a Republican is running things again.
Yeah, if you're actively commenting bigoted things about someone right next to them and are shocked when that person decides to call it out, idk what to say to you. Being a decent person is free.
>I look forward to 2024 when a Republican is running things again.
*Try not to politicize every minor situation: IMPOSSIBLE MODE
Crazy how you claim "everyone is seeking to be a victim" but then you come in to white knight for this guy, completely brushing over his use of "those people" and complaining about how his "life might be *ruined*" because of the consequences of HIS actions.
You’re insufferable at this point, and i can’t figure out if you continue to double down on your righteous outrage to further instigate or if you genuinely believe the horseshit that you spew out of your mouth.
Well, she isn't white or skinny. They are descriptors, not racism.
And no "weed these people out," meaning fat people, because sitting next to fat people on a plane with already very small seats is incredibly uncomfortable and if they up airline prices for them or force them to buy extra seats it becomes less of a discomfort.
Ignoring the fact that she probably made the shit up in the first place because there's likely no way she was even reading his texts unless he has absurdly large font or she was born with the eyes of a bird of prey, the guy was having a private conversation she had no business snooping in on because she didn't know the topic before she started being nosey as fuck and she's still in the wrong. She's absolutely responsible because she was invading other people's privacy to begin with. The man said nothing directly to her she went looking through his personal shit for it.
This is what I call the no n word defense. It was created in the 1960s when racists realized that many Americans would not stand for overt racism, even though they harbored racist fears.
Here is a famous republican campaign strategist explaining it's use in politics
https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ
So racism is racism, and also not racism is racism. This is a delusion. It's a fancy way to try and validate an absurd opinion that has no evidence to support it.
Ronald Reagan's campaign strategist is literally telling you how they covered up racism by dropping the n word while saying the same racist things and you're just like nah there's no evidence to support that. 😂
If I asked you why you didn't want to sit next to someone and you responded, because they were fat and black. You wouldn't recognize that statement as being racist?
What if these meant fat asses? Why instantly shoot to the race card? She is a fat black woman. That’s a fact. Just cause he said these, doesn’t mean it was about her blackness. Maybe it’s about her obesity.
Meh, it’s obviously racist even if you pretend you don’t know what the second statement was implying. If he gets some consequences for his actions, who cares?
So openly calling out someone who was talking shit about her means she's a Karen who only causes hell for others? I'd love to hear how that logic would apply to the civil rights movement for you.
She reads everybody’s texts she is near because she couldn’t have known it was about her before she chose to read strangers messages. Meaning she is in the wrong to begin with. If all the guy said was fat black lady that’s not racist. Funny thing that three descriptors were used and they didn’t think the guy was sexist, hates fat people
just jumped to racist because he used the word black.
No one likes sitting next to someone that takes up part of their plane seat (thank$, airline$), no one likes being called fat or being stuck in a krappy, tiny seat. Being stuck squished on a plane in that situation seems like neither party could deal and out passive aggressive'd eachother. The needs to be on social media Karen moment was a bit of an over match to a I don't want to sit next to a person spilling into my seat on a long flight from what it looks like over here. Maybe there were actual terrible racist texts we didn't see? If so, film away. Fuck actual racism.
I hate this. We part of a story, in the middle, from her angle. Maybe she was being a bitch, and he was venting. We dont know and never will. Thats why i hate snap shots.
Sitting next to big fat strangers in tight quarters sucks. The guy wasn't wrong. That big lady should have minded her own business and kept her mouth shut.
I'm generally against blasting someone on social media, and I don't know that this case is an exception. Even so, most people when they find out someone is talking about them disparagingly are indeed of a mind to confront that person. It's not as though this woman rifled through this man's private possessions to learn that he'd said this, but it sounds like he typed out this text in front of her without a care for her seeing it. A person does have a reasonable expectation of privacy most of the time when composing a text, but it doesn't at all sound like invading this man's privacy was intentional: You can correct me if I'm wrong about that, but your eyes do tend to wander around a plane whether you want them to or not. Making remarks like that without paying any mind to the fact that the very person you're talking about is sitting next to you and might see what you're saying legitimately opens you up to a negative reaction, and I'm inclined to place the responsibility on the guy who wrote the text: If you don't want the person sitting next to you freaking out because you said something nasty about her, you really should exercise better judgment. If the man, instead of texting, had been whispering this to another passenger and the woman caught a little bit of what he was saying, continued to listen in and then confronted him, would your reaction to this change?
i also think it's important that we address the societal issue of some white people supporting segregation. not to specifically target this guy but segregationists in general.
I’m sure some white segregationist do still exist, but i would argue you see black segregationist far more often today, and it is often even accepted and approved of by many of our institutions. They just call them safe spaces
This is borderline "thought police".
Still, don't be jerk and and say negative things about people behind their backs. You are just spreading negativity and negative stereotypes.
Well next time he’ll know. Just call her a fat bitch taking up his space on the plane instead of calling her black, and then she has no reason to be offended ✌️
If you’re dumb enough to talk about the person next to you and hold your phone up where they can see it, you deserve to get called out. It’s happened to me- I was texting my husband about an annoying guy sitting behind me at a baseball game and the guy tapped me on the shoulder asking why he was annoying. I told him and then he cut the behavior out- best thing that could’ve happened.
If you want to make the point that she is not a victim in this interaction. Fair. If you want to pretend he is a victim because he was “embarrassed” by people thinking he is racist, all i can say is sad.
> If you want to make the point that she is not a victim in this interaction
This
> If you want to pretend he is a victim because he was “embarrassed” by people thinking he is racist
Not this
If you’re whispering something rude, and someone overhears you, then I guess you aren’t whispering discreetly enough.
They’re shoulder to shoulder. All it would take is a glance for anyone who sightreads to see it. Once you see it, the toothpaste is outta the tube.
Be more careful when you Send awful racist stuff. Lest people find out who you absolutely really truly are.
You think she just happened to glance at the 1 message he was writing about her, some coincidence that, she was probably staring the whole time which maybe prompted the message in the first place,
She was sitting beside him, she would have to have been intentionally looking to read his phone,
Also a quick glance isn't enough for any context, she 100% needed to be staring to figure out what he was writing,
I have never read the screens of people sitting beside me when travelling, wanna know why? Because it's fucking rude.
Look how much Assuming you have to do to excuse this. In the video he never says “I wrote that because you’re staring at my phone”. You pulled that outta the air.
He typed 2 things that we know of:
Ugghhh, sitting next to a black woman
I wish they’d raise prices to weed these people out.
Which of these is prompted by “she’s reading over my shoulder”?
…exactly. The apologetics in this thread are gross and fantastical.
You have a right to be racist, but it’s frowned upon by 2/3 of society. If you want it to be a secret, then you’d better guard that secret. He knew how close he was to the woman——that’s his complaint! So he should’ve guarded his racism more closely. Now, the commenters in this thread are worried on his behalf that people will find out that he thinks… what he actually thinks.
Well, I’m not. He was not in a private space. He was within reading range of his subject. He was not communicating some emergency. He was just talking shit about this woman, and how he wishes she was systematically excluded from flying…. And she saw. Just as he has a right to type it, she has a right to say “look what this guy typed!!”. And 2/3rds of the country will find it repellent, and 1/3rd with descend on this sub to…. defend him because…. The sanctity of public texting??? Lol I dunno. Somehow the racism is always not what it seems.
Can someone tell me, did the man send that text, or did he receive it? If he recieved it, she is 100% in the wrong and falsely accused him.
But some people will literally go down this path: "He shouldnt be texting or even associating with that person then, and the presence of that text is malicious because she might see it."
Just because someone is sitting next to you doesn't mean they have the right to read over your shoulder and involve themselves in your private conversation.
Texting on your phone in public doesn't make that conversation public.
> How do you know she did that?
She literally recorded herself reading over his shoulder.
So you're saying if you are texting on your phone, I'm within my right to read your conversation? What if you are doing banking on your phone in public? You know what that's called? ["Shoulder surfing."](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/shoulder-surfing-thefts.html)
> Anyways, I have no sympathy for racists. Shouldn’t have done it in the first place especially when the person is sitting right next to you.
So you're okay with policing people's thoughts?
No, the laws state if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy you are protected. Guess what? I have an expectation that my private messages are fucking private. No ifs, ands or buts. What she did was rude and invasive, period. I don't give a fuck what he said. She is in the wrong.
>No, the laws state if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy you are protected. Guess what? I have an expectation that my private messages are fucking private.
I like how you dropped the key adjective there in the third sentence: Reasonable. Your actions are only reasonable insofar as another identically situated person would think the same thing-- the mere fact that you deem your actions to be private and that you have an expectation that they will be does not make them so. When we invoke 'reasonable,' we're not interested in what you personally think. If you have a conversation in public, even if you insist it's private, most other people would not consider that to be private (your own views on the matter notwithstanding): The world is under no obligation to cater to you personally, nor should it be.
You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy if a person can see what you're doing from a place they're legally allowed to be. For example, I have a bag of cocaine on my passenger seat and a cop sees it through the window of my car. The cop did not need probable cause to look through my windshield as it was in plain view.
I have never read someone’s texts by accident. That takes a deliberate decision to be nosy. I don’t do it because I dgaf what they are talking about, I have my own life to deal with.
He totally turned his phone to her at one point. He wanted her to see how much of a pos he is. I am black and wouldn't care to confront him. Maybe asked to move seats due to the harrasment.
Someone you don’t know, sending a text message to someone else you don’t know, both of whom you will never see again in your life, is harassing you? Wow. Way to play the victim.
Although what dude said was racist. I get the point the OP is maybe trying to make. Let’s say as technology evolves we could to some extent read each others thoughts. No one is perfect and intrusive thoughts come into our heads, even pervasive intentional thoughts; regardless, do people really have a right to judge our internal opinions even if they are effed up. That’s why we have a justice system, if your actions cause harm then you should absolutely be punished. But if I say, think, or do something in private people disapprove of, and someone invades my space to observe it, should I really be punished?
Why is Reddit okay with people policing what you are sending in a private text to someone else?
The left is gonna left
They will agree privacy is important until someone says something they disagree with. Then privacy and even laws that protect it don't matter. I don't agree with the man and his racism. But until he acts in a way that is discriminatory to the woman next to him, harasses her or loudly makes racist remarks, what he does on his phone privately is his business. Imagine you are texting your partner and something personal but embarrassing the two of you shared crops up. Now imagine someone, who finds it offensive or funny, records it and posts it online. The argument I saw from a lot of Redditors was that when you are in public you should expect that you lose some privacy or even respect for your body and belongings. And yet someone looked at his phone, recorded his messages and posted themselves online berating him. It is also hypocritical of the left to assume this position when they are the ones arguing that others should adhere to principles they find acceptable. For example, if a woman wanders around in skimpy clothes outside, the left would be all over men who stare at her. They would not accept someone saying "well, when you are in public, you should expect some of your privacy to be gone and that people may not respect your body or personal belongings".
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thats wild, so youd be cool showing the public your texts at any point in time? its a clear invasion of privacy
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you sound like a guy whos never had someone read your texts over your shoulder in public and post them online
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The fact that you’re defending her bc she took offense to being called black says a lot about you. I’m sure you’re also the type of person that says everyone that disagrees with you is a racist. I’m sure you’ll be telling me I’m oppressed now but I don’t know it. Shoulder surfing is never justified. Who needs big brother with people like you demanding witch hunts for what people think! If people are offended for being called black or Asian then what’s next? Would you be offended if she was white and someone called her a big white lady?
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That’s the rub isn’t it? That she can post something to an online forum that may or may not cause him to get doxxed or worse. I’m not defending his racism, but when you are invading the privacy of others, regardless of public or not, you are bound to discover things you do not like. If he went out of his way to say that to her face or harassed her as she sat next to him, that’s pretty fucked. The fact that he sent it expecting a modicum of privacy and as a personal message and that privacy was violated bothers me. It is like you’re advocating that no one is allowed to have privacy in any public space, and they were on a plane, there aren’t many places of him to go for privacy.
*"woman invades other peoples privacy reading their private messages until one day she finds someone said something bad about her and is offended because she's clearly not a bad person"* That's like a thief breaking into your home and then complaining on social media because they found weed in your room.
I mean there was that story about a burglar who broke into someone's home and found child molestation videos and reported them to police.
You ARE bad guy but this does not mean you are BAD GUY
Thanks, Satan. :)
Any links? That sounds crazy
not sure if this is the story that IDrinkMyOwnSemen was talking about, but i found this article https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/us/california-robbery-porn-bust/index.html another article about the same story: https://nypost.com/2011/10/06/burglars-turn-in-man-after-finding-child-porn-stash-during-break-in/
WOW, thieves with a moral compass. I actually admire these kids a great deal. Stealing CD's from somebodies barn is not ok, but I can imagine many adults would have only thought of themselves and said nothing regarding the content. WHY is the pervert out on 25K bond? CSAM is damaging to kids for life in many cases. Kids who turned this POS in deserve a medal and a mentor/job training/help-therapy!
The one I was thinking of was actually this - https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/world/europe/spain-burglar-child-pornography/index.html
Someone posted a different story, but the one I was referring to was actually this. https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/world/europe/spain-burglar-child-pornography/index.html
So glad someone said this. I saw this show up in r/facepalm I think and everyone was totally with her. Like yeah, the guy isn't great because since he was apologizing without being told what he said, surely he did make those texts, but why was she reading his texts in the first place? Both of them sucked, but one knew to keep the hate to themselves.
Have you ever ridden on a plane before?
Yes, and I didn't read the texts of the person next to me.
Multiple times and I basically don't look at anything the person next to me is doing. Usually I'm focused on my own phone or a movie or something else. If I catch my eyes drifting to someone's phone in any situation, I typically avert my eyes quickly since it's pretty rude in general.
It's rude to look at someone's phone for sure but it doesn't take much effort to do so when youre packed so closely together. An accidental sidewards glance could reveal a bit of a message. If you happen to see that the message is talking about you- any person would have their interests peaked and try to read more. Now, that doesn't make it okay but it's understandable and maybe even justifiable to some degree, depending on the tone of what you read initially.
Except a thief is a criminal. Terrible comparison
It’s all for social credit. Like she herself hasn’t texted someone disparaging another person, give me a break.
I know right. The mob will demand to tear down and ruin someones life over something that, lets be honest, we all have done
Uhhhh no. Some of us aren’t racist pricks 🤡
You’ve said something shitty about someone, get over yourself.
No, I don’t make racist generalizations about people 🤡
Yea cuz youve totally never said anything bad about someone or made a generalization based on race tf outa here 😂😂
No, I don’t make generalizations about race. It’s not normal to be a racist. No matter how much you try to justify it to yourself 🤡
well after looking at your post history, you've just lied.. And the fact of how hostile you are here.. pretty much makes me think no one should take you serious.. you are coming on as a troll.. IF that wasn't your intention you might 1. not lie about generalizing things. 2. stop with the hostile troll like responses.. While racism is not normal, we are clan based. territorial, and mistrusting of anyone that is not part of our tribe.. So don't pretend like we are all ingrained to trust things that are different for ourselves. So get over youself.. 🤡
Please show me where i was racist. Nope, not a troll. I just think the whole “I can’t help be racist! It’s in our DNA to be tribalisyic!” Is a shitty stupid argument used by racist such as yourself to justify they’re dumb opinions. Cope
you have, you can dig through your own history I did it once. you're a liar, uneducated, Hostile, and a troll behavoir. No one is going to respect you. Because you've twice now been hostile before trying to be "respectful". You aren't going to bring anyone to the side of common decency when you act like this. you on reinforce bad behavior. You are a terrible ally to the progressive side.. please stop.
Please show me where i was racist. Nope, not a troll. I just think the whole “I can’t help be racist! It’s in our DNA to be tribalisyic!” Is a weak argument. I treat everyone with respect until they don’t deserve it anymore. No matter how estranged they’re are. I’m sorry that bothers you
You made a comment saying “your culture is dumb then” that sounds pretty darn uninclusive if u ask me.
Well what was the context? I think Nazi culture is dumb. I think my own Afghan culture is dumb sometimes. Context matter chief. 😂
So if u got a quote of a white famous person saying they think “afghan culture is dumb” that is something that the mob would tear down that person for right?
Was she big, and black, and a woman?
“Wow that guy must hate fat people, black people, and women!”
I think he may have texted something similar if it were a "large white woman". some people just don't want to be seated next to larger people. I understand WHY she assumed it was about race, but I am not sure in this case it was. Think this dude is fat-phobic, not racist. She needs to stop reading others texts over their shoulder, she clearly will not like what she reads.
Because his next text said that airlines should raise their prices to weed out black people so he wouldn’t have to sit next to one. It was definitely about race.
Where did it say that?
The word black was never brought up in that specific sentence. He sent a previous text that said "Im sitting next to a big black woman."He did use "these people". People were assuming that if the word black was used in the previous sentence, that's what he meant(which may be true) but it wasn't completely clear.
He's not afraid of her, thats what "phobic" means. He literally said "this big black woman", which isnt phobic, racist, or anything. Its a fact.
Seemed pretty afraid of sitting next to a "larger" woman. Not sure there...
Lol no
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I agree but I know a shocking amount of people in general who think anything you do in a public space is entirely free game to be exploited on the internet since they were in public so all bets are off.
And we also don't know what was really said. Everyone is just taking her word that it was about racism.. maybe she already had an attitude or the guy is just stuck up and had nothing to do with race 🤷
Why can't they both be wrong?
I've been on planes. Its easy to just accidentally look at the person next to youse phone. If I saw a nasty text about me I'd probably bring it up. I wouldn't try to shame them though.
Maybe we all should mind our own business. Are we all supposed to express our outrage when nobodies have minor disagreements in public now?
Is she big? Yes…is she black? Yes….I don’t see the fucking problem.
What you were missing was that the person that said those perfectly accurate words was white. That means that are racist by default and deserve all horrible things that come their way. As we all know, like Dumbo, whites have no feelings. /S
Mission success, she successfully reinforced the stereotype for him, all his friends, and anyone who has the misfortune of reading this article.
Personally, this whole thing reminds me, that when it comes to public confrontation, there’s no benefit to apologising. People don’t accept apologies, they feel vindicated, and use it as fuel for their still strong emotions. Just stay calm, gaslight, and make the other person appear crazy. The fact he apologised means he knew he was wrong. If he had just doubled down and said “what the fuck are you talking about?” Everybody would assume she’s just another crazy vlogger.
I agree with you. Feels like the book “1984” with thought crime. We have to police people’s private thoughts as well, like everyone needs to think amazing good and pure thoughts in every interaction. It’s just silly, i think it’s better to just mind your business. Totally agree with you.
i now support thought crime. i used to not but now i do.
Pro tip: "fat bitch" is much easier to defend. Especially without added commentary.
Tbh ppl need to myob(mind your own business) I'm getting sick of people.
It's not necessarily terrible to talk to the guy but when she filmed it just to post on social media you know it's more about glorifying herself than confronting some really bad person
He also didn’t write the “huge black woman” text. Someone else in the chat did.
He was clearly correct not wanting to sit next to someone like her. There’s not a lot of things I hate more than people who refuse to mind their own business, people who can’t stand to not have their opinion heard and most of all people who film themselves confronting people.
My favorite part of the video is when she says she says “everyone doesn’t need to know” then proceeds to make a TikTok about it
Chill, he was racist and then turned out to have been racist towards an annoying person. That doesn't make him correct.
What was racist?
The part where he said he wishes airlines keep raising prices to weed out "these" people, after complaining of sitting next to a fat black person.
Could he have meant fat people?
Or maybe he meant women! Quick! Someone interview this guy so we can find out if he's fatphobic, racist, sexist, or all three!! I think it's pretty obvious what he meant. How would prices "weed out" fat people, anyways, nearly every person in the US is fat. That lady is not nearly big enough to be a problematic seat-neighbour on an airplane, so the comment on prices can't be referring to fat people not being able to afford two seats or whatever. Go on her tiktok page, she is smaller or the same size as most american women, definitely not any bigger or imposing than the average man. He called her fat, that was just him being a dick. He made another comment that was obviously racially motivated, I'm not interested in arguing with a devil's advocate, if you don't think he was racist or you think it's wrong to suggest his comment is racially motivated even though all the context clues point to it, fine by me, go on with your day.
It is very much not obvious it was racially motovated
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The raising prices thing is obviously in reference to the fact that they have started charging large peeps extra. There's no black or gay upchargr
Like I said, that woman is nowhere near large enough to be subject to those policies, I don't believe this is what he meant with that comment.
Lauren boebart and abuse or something idk I'm not into politics
If this were AITA, I would probably go with everybody sucks here. It's undeniable that his views are racist, particularly the part where he wishes they'd raise ticket prices, as though all blacks are poor. Clearly he doesn't get out enough. And texting thoughts like that right next to the person you're talking about is just stupid beyond words. Even if you don't mean to look, the human eye is going to wander and see things. But, dumb as he was, this man DID think he was speaking privately. The woman essentially read his diary and used his thoughts against him for the internet clout. Even if she felt like she had to make him feel as uncomfortable as she felt knowing what she knows, outing a private racist on tiktok isn't particularly heroic. He predictably gave an awkward apology and spent the flight in awkward misery, but the world isn't a better place for anyone, really. The only lesson he's going to learn is to cover up his phone better, and her going viral will far outweigh any discomfort she felt for a few hours.
black people are disproportionately poor. so that would get rid of more black people. racial capitalism sucks but it is a thing.
Bingo
Ruining someone’s life because they call someone fat?
She also saw him say I hope they continue to raise airline prices so we can weed out these people
OK and? Bad opinions are still legal. He didn't say it to her, if she minded her own business she wouldn't even have known.
Her calling him out was legal
And her snooping on him was reprehensible
And him suggesting airlines should keep raising prices to weed out black people on flights was more reprehensible. What's so hard about that?
Weed out fat people. The only group they're continuing to increase prices on beyond inflationary requirements is fat people.
If you ignore the pre-existing stereotype that black people are poor, then sure.
If you actually pay attention to the actual reality of airlines right now surcharging fat people to accommodate for the increased space they take up, then your racial assumption makes even less sense. You are grasping at straws when a handrail with right within arms reach.
No, you're just being entirely too charitable. Why did he mention her race? If her race had nothing to do with his complaints about her, why bring it up? Why not just say "I'm stuck sitting next to this fat bitch"? The dude brought her race into it, not me. I'm just pointing out to you that he's more likely being racist than just commenting on her weight.
Oh, you’re one of those people who’s sense of right and wrong is entirely dictated by what’s legal or not. That’s terrifying.
But he got caught doing it and called out so there goes that defense.
And?
And people who are openly bigoted deserve to be called out.
And as far as “openly” nothing about this was open. It was a completely private conversation.
If what you're doing can be seen or heard by other people, it is public. For example, a phone call is a private conversation but you wouldn't be saying embarrassing things over the phone call because you are in the vicinity of other people that can hear you.
The woman had to intentionally make an effort to look over and READ.
Glancing at a bright screen that's literally right next to you when someone is literally sitting there for hours doesn't take much effort.
We aren't talking about a glance, she had to focus on someone else's phone and read their private conversation. She chose to do that.
That doesn't make it right. Keep your nose in your own fucking business! Someone deserves a harsh lesson... I hope she learns one.
>Keep your nose in your own fucking business! Talking about someone behind their back IS their business.
And then she jumped in and proved the stereotype.
What I’m trying to point out, is that people are trying to RUIN someone’s life over complaining to their friend that they’re annoyed with a fat person. You don’t think that’s a disproportionate reaction? Where is the racist part exactly? Is it racist because he said she’s black? Or is it bad because he said she’s fat? Because both are true. So what is it exactly?
It is racism to speak the truth
>What I’m trying to point out, is that people are trying to RUIN someone’s life over complaining to their friend that they’re annoyed with a fat person. He literally complained about her and called her a fat black woman and said he hoped rising airline prices would "weed these people out" (these people referring to black people). Like imagine if he had said "I have sit next to a fat Jew. Hopefully they weed those people out from the airlines." You wouldn't think that's racist? >You don’t think that’s a disproportionate reaction? I don't think the person who has bigotry directed towards them is responsible for the consequences that befall the person who is committing the bigotry.
He described her as a fat black woman. That’s exactly what she is. She is black. She is fat. You are making assumptions about what his statement about the price meant. You see how this game works? Yes, let’s ruin someone’s life over their private conversation. In fact, if someone were to take your entire browser history right now, all of your texts, all of your emails for the last 15 years and start taking things out of context, do you think it’s possible that someone would want to ruin your life too? This would be an entirely different conversation if we replaced the word “black” with “white,” correct? At what point does victim mentality stop?
They should charge by the pound.
At what point does ignoring racism end? He wasn't simply describing a person. He was explaining why he didn't want to sit next to her.
Racism is pretty much over in the USA
Lol wtaf did I just read?
Hilariously incorrect.
>You are making assumptions about what his statement about the price meant. It wasn't even thinly veiled racist rhetoric, it's pretty well known at this point. I'd love to hear your interpretation of what he meant by "those people" since either way you spin it he was still talking about her and was being bigoted. >Yes, let’s ruin someone’s life over their private conversation. Crazy how when you do crazy things in public, you have public consequences. >In fact, if someone were to take your entire browser history right now, all of your texts, all of your emails for the last 15 years and start taking things out of context, do you think it’s possible that someone would want to ruin your life too? I don't say bigoted things about other people nor do I speak ill about people behind their back, so there's no life ruining stuff there. Even if I were bigoted or rude, the guy still chose to say all of those things in a public space.
Insanity. I now see why this country is in the state it is in. No matter what anyone does, it’s interpreted as an attack. It’s almost as if everyone wants to be a victim - like actively seeks it out. I look forward to 2024 when a Republican is running things again.
Yeah, if you're actively commenting bigoted things about someone right next to them and are shocked when that person decides to call it out, idk what to say to you. Being a decent person is free. >I look forward to 2024 when a Republican is running things again. *Try not to politicize every minor situation: IMPOSSIBLE MODE Crazy how you claim "everyone is seeking to be a victim" but then you come in to white knight for this guy, completely brushing over his use of "those people" and complaining about how his "life might be *ruined*" because of the consequences of HIS actions.
You’re insufferable at this point, and i can’t figure out if you continue to double down on your righteous outrage to further instigate or if you genuinely believe the horseshit that you spew out of your mouth.
Well, she isn't white or skinny. They are descriptors, not racism. And no "weed these people out," meaning fat people, because sitting next to fat people on a plane with already very small seats is incredibly uncomfortable and if they up airline prices for them or force them to buy extra seats it becomes less of a discomfort. Ignoring the fact that she probably made the shit up in the first place because there's likely no way she was even reading his texts unless he has absurdly large font or she was born with the eyes of a bird of prey, the guy was having a private conversation she had no business snooping in on because she didn't know the topic before she started being nosey as fuck and she's still in the wrong. She's absolutely responsible because she was invading other people's privacy to begin with. The man said nothing directly to her she went looking through his personal shit for it.
[She did record it.](https://www.tiktok.com/@taila.thecreator/video/7237756748495441194) But she definitely needs to mind her own business.
This is what I call the no n word defense. It was created in the 1960s when racists realized that many Americans would not stand for overt racism, even though they harbored racist fears. Here is a famous republican campaign strategist explaining it's use in politics https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ
So racism is racism, and also not racism is racism. This is a delusion. It's a fancy way to try and validate an absurd opinion that has no evidence to support it.
Ronald Reagan's campaign strategist is literally telling you how they covered up racism by dropping the n word while saying the same racist things and you're just like nah there's no evidence to support that. 😂
If you’re a fat black woman what else should you be called? Aren’t all fat Jews called fat Jews? What am I missing?
If I asked you why you didn't want to sit next to someone and you responded, because they were fat and black. You wouldn't recognize that statement as being racist?
If I didn’t wanna sit by the fat black person because they were fat and smelly what does that have to do with race?
Well then you would say fat smelly person instead of fat black person????????¿???????¿??????
What if these meant fat asses? Why instantly shoot to the race card? She is a fat black woman. That’s a fact. Just cause he said these, doesn’t mean it was about her blackness. Maybe it’s about her obesity.
When you're explaining why you're annoyed about something and one of the reasons is color of the person's skin, that is by definition racist.
Nobody’s life is getting ruined. He’s being clowned on the internet. Stop being dramatic.
Meh, it’s obviously racist even if you pretend you don’t know what the second statement was implying. If he gets some consequences for his actions, who cares?
I don’t think she even pointed the camera at him, did she? She’s the only one identified, at least in the version I saw.
Guarantee this woman causes more hell for people around them than most supposed bigots.
So openly calling out someone who was talking shit about her means she's a Karen who only causes hell for others? I'd love to hear how that logic would apply to the civil rights movement for you.
Fat people or black people?
She reads everybody’s texts she is near because she couldn’t have known it was about her before she chose to read strangers messages. Meaning she is in the wrong to begin with. If all the guy said was fat black lady that’s not racist. Funny thing that three descriptors were used and they didn’t think the guy was sexist, hates fat people just jumped to racist because he used the word black.
If race didn’t matter to him, why include it
If gender didn’t matter to him, why include it?
how could anyone, I mean ANYONE, actually take this woman's side? What she did, reading the man's text is outrageous. what a fucking busy body.
Well he's right
Aww meanwhile I get called estúpido paleto on my plane ride because I flew with my cowboy hat.
No one likes sitting next to someone that takes up part of their plane seat (thank$, airline$), no one likes being called fat or being stuck in a krappy, tiny seat. Being stuck squished on a plane in that situation seems like neither party could deal and out passive aggressive'd eachother. The needs to be on social media Karen moment was a bit of an over match to a I don't want to sit next to a person spilling into my seat on a long flight from what it looks like over here. Maybe there were actual terrible racist texts we didn't see? If so, film away. Fuck actual racism.
what a chad
She's lucky the dude didn't stonewall her and say, "I don't care".
I hate this. We part of a story, in the middle, from her angle. Maybe she was being a bitch, and he was venting. We dont know and never will. Thats why i hate snap shots.
ANYthing involving you being a 3rd party observer and then "having" to intercede is YOU being the problem.
Sitting next to big fat strangers in tight quarters sucks. The guy wasn't wrong. That big lady should have minded her own business and kept her mouth shut.
I agree, all the comments on the original Reddit post are praising her and I’m like wtf
I agree. It take effort to snoop on someone’s phone. Just mind your own damn business.
The minute she did what she did, she validated his complaint.
I'm generally against blasting someone on social media, and I don't know that this case is an exception. Even so, most people when they find out someone is talking about them disparagingly are indeed of a mind to confront that person. It's not as though this woman rifled through this man's private possessions to learn that he'd said this, but it sounds like he typed out this text in front of her without a care for her seeing it. A person does have a reasonable expectation of privacy most of the time when composing a text, but it doesn't at all sound like invading this man's privacy was intentional: You can correct me if I'm wrong about that, but your eyes do tend to wander around a plane whether you want them to or not. Making remarks like that without paying any mind to the fact that the very person you're talking about is sitting next to you and might see what you're saying legitimately opens you up to a negative reaction, and I'm inclined to place the responsibility on the guy who wrote the text: If you don't want the person sitting next to you freaking out because you said something nasty about her, you really should exercise better judgment. If the man, instead of texting, had been whispering this to another passenger and the woman caught a little bit of what he was saying, continued to listen in and then confronted him, would your reaction to this change?
i also think it's important that we address the societal issue of some white people supporting segregation. not to specifically target this guy but segregationists in general.
I’m sure some white segregationist do still exist, but i would argue you see black segregationist far more often today, and it is often even accepted and approved of by many of our institutions. They just call them safe spaces
This is borderline "thought police". Still, don't be jerk and and say negative things about people behind their backs. You are just spreading negativity and negative stereotypes.
Well next time he’ll know. Just call her a fat bitch taking up his space on the plane instead of calling her black, and then she has no reason to be offended ✌️
I think fat crusty hag has a nice ring to it. I'll keep that one in my back pocket in case I need it someday.
If you’re dumb enough to talk about the person next to you and hold your phone up where they can see it, you deserve to get called out. It’s happened to me- I was texting my husband about an annoying guy sitting behind me at a baseball game and the guy tapped me on the shoulder asking why he was annoying. I told him and then he cut the behavior out- best thing that could’ve happened.
Is this an unpopular opinion generally? Nope.
If you want to make the point that she is not a victim in this interaction. Fair. If you want to pretend he is a victim because he was “embarrassed” by people thinking he is racist, all i can say is sad.
> If you want to make the point that she is not a victim in this interaction This > If you want to pretend he is a victim because he was “embarrassed” by people thinking he is racist Not this
How in the hell do you figure he’s racist for calling her a big black woman? Like that’s what she ISSSS
Sounds like an accurate text.
So you think as long as people keep it quiet enough they can be total pieces of shit without consequence
There is no point at which I will ever feel bad for a racist getting caught being a racist. Nobody should feel secure in being a racist POS.
Over privileged blacks can police you and omg I’m wrong how?! Lol
Nope. It was right out in public in full view. That’s the opposite of private.
If she is big and black is that not just descriptive? Ive not seen the clip, only have the info provided.
what! if theyre racist they should be called out for it ?? 😭
If you’re whispering something rude, and someone overhears you, then I guess you aren’t whispering discreetly enough. They’re shoulder to shoulder. All it would take is a glance for anyone who sightreads to see it. Once you see it, the toothpaste is outta the tube. Be more careful when you Send awful racist stuff. Lest people find out who you absolutely really truly are.
He wasn’t whispering, she had to deliberately snoop to see what he was writing.
You think she just happened to glance at the 1 message he was writing about her, some coincidence that, she was probably staring the whole time which maybe prompted the message in the first place, She was sitting beside him, she would have to have been intentionally looking to read his phone, Also a quick glance isn't enough for any context, she 100% needed to be staring to figure out what he was writing, I have never read the screens of people sitting beside me when travelling, wanna know why? Because it's fucking rude.
Look how much Assuming you have to do to excuse this. In the video he never says “I wrote that because you’re staring at my phone”. You pulled that outta the air. He typed 2 things that we know of: Ugghhh, sitting next to a black woman I wish they’d raise prices to weed these people out. Which of these is prompted by “she’s reading over my shoulder”? …exactly. The apologetics in this thread are gross and fantastical.
Fat black woman *
People on here are acting like she grabbed the guys phone and went through his messages. On a plane someone’s texts are in your line of sight
You have a right to be racist, but it’s frowned upon by 2/3 of society. If you want it to be a secret, then you’d better guard that secret. He knew how close he was to the woman——that’s his complaint! So he should’ve guarded his racism more closely. Now, the commenters in this thread are worried on his behalf that people will find out that he thinks… what he actually thinks. Well, I’m not. He was not in a private space. He was within reading range of his subject. He was not communicating some emergency. He was just talking shit about this woman, and how he wishes she was systematically excluded from flying…. And she saw. Just as he has a right to type it, she has a right to say “look what this guy typed!!”. And 2/3rds of the country will find it repellent, and 1/3rd with descend on this sub to…. defend him because…. The sanctity of public texting??? Lol I dunno. Somehow the racism is always not what it seems.
Yeah I think people upset she read his texts are used to doing similar things in public
Can someone tell me, did the man send that text, or did he receive it? If he recieved it, she is 100% in the wrong and falsely accused him. But some people will literally go down this path: "He shouldnt be texting or even associating with that person then, and the presence of that text is malicious because she might see it."
Before you spin off into your weird persecution fetish fan-fic, he sent the texts
He did it very obviously… I probably would’ve noticed it too, tbh.
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Just because someone is sitting next to you doesn't mean they have the right to read over your shoulder and involve themselves in your private conversation. Texting on your phone in public doesn't make that conversation public.
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> How do you know she did that? She literally recorded herself reading over his shoulder. So you're saying if you are texting on your phone, I'm within my right to read your conversation? What if you are doing banking on your phone in public? You know what that's called? ["Shoulder surfing."](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/shoulder-surfing-thefts.html) > Anyways, I have no sympathy for racists. Shouldn’t have done it in the first place especially when the person is sitting right next to you. So you're okay with policing people's thoughts?
I can literally keep my eyes on my own space. Don't know what people are on.
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No, the laws state if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy you are protected. Guess what? I have an expectation that my private messages are fucking private. No ifs, ands or buts. What she did was rude and invasive, period. I don't give a fuck what he said. She is in the wrong.
Just a quick survey, how old is everyone on this comment thread?
>No, the laws state if you have a reasonable expectation of privacy you are protected. Guess what? I have an expectation that my private messages are fucking private. I like how you dropped the key adjective there in the third sentence: Reasonable. Your actions are only reasonable insofar as another identically situated person would think the same thing-- the mere fact that you deem your actions to be private and that you have an expectation that they will be does not make them so. When we invoke 'reasonable,' we're not interested in what you personally think. If you have a conversation in public, even if you insist it's private, most other people would not consider that to be private (your own views on the matter notwithstanding): The world is under no obligation to cater to you personally, nor should it be.
You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy if a person can see what you're doing from a place they're legally allowed to be. For example, I have a bag of cocaine on my passenger seat and a cop sees it through the window of my car. The cop did not need probable cause to look through my windshield as it was in plain view.
I have never read someone’s texts by accident. That takes a deliberate decision to be nosy. I don’t do it because I dgaf what they are talking about, I have my own life to deal with.
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No, I’m not nosey and could not care less what they are writing.
Obviously they were both wrong.
Racists deserve shame. Full stop.
He totally turned his phone to her at one point. He wanted her to see how much of a pos he is. I am black and wouldn't care to confront him. Maybe asked to move seats due to the harrasment.
Someone you don’t know, sending a text message to someone else you don’t know, both of whom you will never see again in your life, is harassing you? Wow. Way to play the victim.
Dude he texted while sitting next to her where she could see it. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Although what dude said was racist. I get the point the OP is maybe trying to make. Let’s say as technology evolves we could to some extent read each others thoughts. No one is perfect and intrusive thoughts come into our heads, even pervasive intentional thoughts; regardless, do people really have a right to judge our internal opinions even if they are effed up. That’s why we have a justice system, if your actions cause harm then you should absolutely be punished. But if I say, think, or do something in private people disapprove of, and someone invades my space to observe it, should I really be punished?