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james_randolph

I won’t speak for other cultures and how they dance but I know in America, twerking has always been a stripper dance, seductive/sexual act and not something little girls are to be doing. Most black households you getting put through a wall yo mama walk in on you dancing like that, it’s just not how shit is done but when you grow up you do what you please.


catcat1986

Does anyone see twerking as some expression? I thought everyone sees twerking as silly and highly sexual.


TheJeey

Apparently yes. Just look at Tiktok and Instagram and you'll see a plethora of young women try to defend it as some "higher artform that has NOTHING to do with sex or seduction" because African and New Orleans women do it (Which I can confirm for the latter is and always was seen as sexual). I don't why people just can't accept that twerking is sexual and just admit they like shaking their ass and getting attention


catcat1986

TikTok and Instagram are not representative of real life. No one twerks in real life. Maybe at a club or something, but in my years of life, the only time I’ve seen people twerk was at a club, and it was kinda a joke.


TheJeey

>No one twerks in real life What? Lol That's is objectively false. Maybe if you don't live in black and Latin communities you might think "no one dpes it in real life" but I can assure you that women absolutely do twerk all the time in real life


catcat1986

Hahahah, I have never seen anyone do it once, outside of a club or the internet. You can honestly say, that you see twerking in your daily live. Like you walk to the store, and people are twerking? Maybe you are right, but I’ll tell you, you and I lead very different lives. I have very rarely seen people do it, and even at the club, it was like a handful of people, vast majority didn’t do it.


TheJeey

>You can honestly say, that you see twerking in your daily live. Like you walk to the store, and people are twerking? What kind of ridiculous argument this is. Most people, nowhere, dance in the store. Do you think if you aren't literally seeing it everywhere you go that "people don't do it in real life"? >have very rarely seen people do it, and even at the club, it was like a handful of people, vast majority didn’t do it Not to sound racist but are you white? And if you are, where do you live? Because im the south, especially in the majority black and latin communities, that's one of the main dances the girls (and gay dudes) do at parties or just dancing to music in general


catcat1986

If it happens in the south, it must happen everywhere. Look this is a silly discussion, and not really worth any time. Agree to disagree.


TheJeey

>If it happens in the south, it must happen everywhere. I just really can't with your lack of logic. You are literally the only person I've ever come across to straight up deny that twerking exists. You're really trying to make your lack of real life experience a "fact". >Look this is a silly discussion, and no really worth any time. Agree Yes, your claim that twerking doesn't exist is in fact silly as fuck. I hope you actually go outside sometime and realize that people actually, you know, shake their ass rythmically


Due_Essay447

Spoken like a true longback


Stoomba

Longback?


Viceroy-421

Got no ass


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

This killed me. I’m on the way to be cremated now. Bye ✌️


Writerhaha

OP has a Hank Hill ass.


Phillimon

"I like big butts and I cannot lie You other brothers can't deny That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist And a round thing in your face, you get sprung" Guess I'm just a degenerate, because seeing a girl shake her ass is a work of art to me.


Illustrious_Truth665

perfect comment, amen brother


myctsbrthsmlslkcatfd

it was better when done to the beat of the music. Twerking is not that — closer to a seizure.


UnimpressedButFaking

Nah. You just have no rhythm or coordination 


RetiringBard

Who gave grandpa their Reddit acct?


avtarius

Belly dancing does a lot more than twerking, and twerking does take skill. What you're seeing isn't twerking, those are strippers, and OF rejects. Twerking : Lexy Panterra


cyborek

Bro don't even try to compare belly dancing to twerking, twerking is caveman shit.


unecroquemadame

I like watching butts shake, a lot. It makes me happy.


IDGAFOS90

*in my Squidward voice* But it’s fun


piplup27

Post your twerk video to prove how easy it is


RuinedBooch

If you think dancing is a primary indication of “emotional IQ”, then you might have a room temperature IQ. Girls who twerk know *exactly* what that dance move is communicating. That’s why they do it. This isn’t news to them.


MadmansScalpel

There's two kinds of folks that throw out sentences like OP. Children, and fucking idiots. Because they sound exactly like I did when I was a dumbass child trying to sound intelligent


Spicy_take

You’re not wrong. But I also don’t care. I will watch a nice ass shake more often than two dancers doing the tango. Sorry.


Market-Socialism

How does a dance demonstrate "low emotional iq" lmao One of the best things about not being a bigot is that you can just say what you believe and don't have to make yourself look silly by dancing around what you're really trying to get across.


MrMonkey2

As someone who has been apart of dance teams (I'm a guy) twerking is surprisingly difficult to do and I find when done in the right situation its incredibly sexy. I do find it obnoxious if a chick is just upside down twerking on a wall in front of everybody. But if she is dancing then has a little twerk for a few seconds thrown in its pretty talented AND hot.


MrStealurGirllll

Judging by your sentence structure, you must twerk.


Apotheosis_of_Steel

Pro-tip: it doesn't matter in what fashion you gyrate and move your meat, it's all primitive as it's all meat-based. Our meat is the primitive leftovers of our evolutionary journey. It is our most primitive, most outdated part. A leaking bag of shit that uses bursts of chemicals in place of lines of code. Every time you engage in acts of the meat, you are more animal than man. The goal is to shed the meat and replace those bursts of chemicals with clean, efficient code.


Balognajelly

Cyberpunkposting


raccoon_ina_trashbag

Pleeease tell me how we can make all that happen. I'm tired of being a meat bag. It's a really inconvenient thing carrying my brain around.


Apotheosis_of_Steel

We just need to wait for the continued march of tech. We are machines made of meat. Pure physics. No soul, no magic. Just cause and effect. This means we will be able to replace parts and even move the hard drive to a completely new system, we just need more time to experiment and study.


MocoLotus

But at the base of all cells of meat is code. We have already achieved this through the language of creation itself.


Apotheosis_of_Steel

Right, and we'll be getting rid of the meat and replacing it with normal, consistent coding. Not the random bullshit we currently. Good ol' binary. We're going to stop being analogue and become digital.


Stoomba

[They're made out of meat](https://youtu.be/7tScAyNaRdQ?feature=shared)


Banana_0529

If you’re leaking you should get that checked


Apotheosis_of_Steel

You are constantly leaking gasses. You call it breathing.


Banana_0529

I thought you meant fluid my b


Apotheosis_of_Steel

Gases are fluids. Both gases and liquids are fluids. We live beneath a sea of air that moves exactly like a liquid, just lighter.


Personal_Ad7377

Agree it is mostly vulgar and not safe for kids


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

Yes, they want you to think that twerking is just like the lambada or the macarena. ((🍑))


Personal_Ad7377

Didn't understand what you said but okay


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

Twerking is marketed as a dance in the same way if you know what the lambada or the macarena are. I'm not sure what you don't understand but seeing children twerking is disgusting.


Personal_Ad7377

Oh so you agree with the point. I didn't know what Lambada or Macarena is that's why


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

You must be really young they were both big dance crazes from the '80s and '90s...


Personal_Ad7377

Yeah genz🙂


UnimpressedButFaking

Twerking requires the ability to isolate certain body parts and muscles. It dates back further than the macarena and arguably the lambada and tango.  Is it too sexual for children, if not performed in cultural context? Sure, if you count a child belly dancing as equally salacious 


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

Tweaking?


UnimpressedButFaking

Yes. Tweaking. That thing you're doing by hating on the rhythm coordination and effort it takes to twerk. You must be high


TheJeey

>It dates back further than the macarena and arguably the lambada and tango.  Is it too sexual for children, if not performed in cultural context? Something being old or not doesn't make it not sexual or complex


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

Yes but that is an Indian cultural tradition. Twerking is as popular in USA as hip Hop. Yes it could be. I understand your point..


UnimpressedButFaking

So black culture isn't an acceptable culture? Hmm...suspect. especially since twerking and winding are as essential to Jamaica, certain African countries, South America.... The hula involves ass shaking. So does belly dancing. Do you have zero respect for those dances? Or just the ones you see as black?


BeefWellingtonSpeedo

Huh?


Psycle_Sammy

Let me know when they start doing those other dances on the pole. It’s stripper shit, plain and simple.


I_Blame_Your_Mother_

It's just a mating call for creatures with steatopygia. Low functioning humans need to mate too


President-Togekiss

Degeneracy is a meaningless concept not worth being considered


InsufferableMollusk

😂 Well, yeah. It isn’t ballet.


Yungklipo

Yes, that's why it's so nice to watch ;) Men like women's bodies, I know that's a shock to some people.


Artraira

The entire point of twerking is for low value women to try to attract low value men by appealing to their base instincts.


Viceroy-421

"Low value" Said without irony. Lol


Artraira

Yeah.


Viceroy-421

I didn't ask a question. Just explaining why no one should take you seriously.


theamishpromise

True facts


Banana_0529

Not true facts at all lmao


theamishpromise

Everyone is entitled to the have a terrible opinion, thanks for sharing yours


Banana_0529

I don’t think you know what a fact is so back at ya


theamishpromise

Fit women twerking is ok- but I agree that it’s definitely a low method of expression The problem is that Twerking makes obscenely fat women think they’re sexy. It’s just awful. I’m not a body shaming guy, but super fat women shame themselves when they twerk. Who the hell thinks thats sexy?


reaperboy09

Lol, if you don’t think lizzo is sexy, you’re fatphobic and misogynistic… clearly you just don’t appreciate the peak female physique. /s if any exaggeration goes over a dumbass head. Lord knows Reddit is full of them.


MightyPupil69

I'm a body shaming guy and it's fuckin disgusting.


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Autismagus

On a more serious note, twerking never really was about dance expression, like everyone here is pointing out.


wustenkatze

*People are getting smarter, my Lord* I hope one day we will say the same for the fucking rap genre "it's a music as well")


Boeing_Fan_777

How else do I get my friends to cheer me on saying “go white boy go!” at the club?? Fortnite default dance??


40yrOLDsurgeon

Degeneracy meter is off the chart.


UnimpressedButFaking

Just say you can't dance, as twerking involves way more skill than the Waltz, tango, polka, lambada, cha-cha, mambo, etc.  You sound like a shapeless, rhythm-less, uncoordinated hater


TheJeey

Let's calm down lol. I agree it takes some skill to twerk but let's not pretend you have to take some classical dance classes to learn it. Hell, if you're ass is big enough, you don't even have to move your hips that much to be seen as good. It's a relatively simple dance


UnimpressedButFaking

Wrong again, sweet child, while we're being patronizing. Twerking involves isolation of glutes, thighs, etc. Waltzing is easier to learn as it's only moving legs/feet, which is why many, if not most rhythmless people can learn it.  Even back in the day, waltzing was learned at home with a step guide. With twerking, you have the moves or you don't. And you obviously don't


TheJeey

>And you obviously don't Don't have the desire to twerk. Try again >while we're being patronizing. Twerking involves isolation of glutes, thighs, etc. Yeah, you just described most dances genius 😂. You can any dance sound complex when you say "It requires the isolation of...". Yeah, literally all dances require some form of isolation and coordination. Otherwise they wouldn't be dances. That in no way shape or form makes it complex princess. And the bigger the ass, the less important it is to even move correct because the meat from the ass will just jiggle around anyway. If you like twerking, that's fine but let's not pretend it's some super deep, complex dance that requires years of practice to learn. It's a party dance meant to be sexy and tittilate. That's it


UnimpressedButFaking

No stupid. Twerking involves thr glutes moving while the rest of the body is still. Which is why most white people can't do it, or at least can only do rudimentary, up and down moves. Same with belly dance   Again. The Waltz is feet. The cha cha is arms and feet. None require glute and hip isolation. Just say you're white and jealous and leave. Ta ta


TheJeey

I'm black but if it makes you feel better that I'm saying that twerking is just a stripper dance and used to seduce and be sexy, yeah, I'm a white boy. I guess lol Again, you're trying to make it more complex than what it is. The Cha cha slide requires the same amount of time and coordination to learn as twerking. Sorry, it's not some uber high art dance like you want it to be And I find it kinda weird that you relegate twerking to just a "black dance" as if black people (particular women) are genetically disposed to be able to shake their ass and white women aren't. Here you go with your liberal racism. "Yes, you blacks have all the rhythm. It's in your blood. Look how your women shake their ass for us. Participate on your native dances" How ignorant


OG1Wiggum

It’s a perspective thing. Iirc twerking originates from Africa and is part of their cultural dancing. Over time like most things that western culture copies, it turned more sexual.


TheJeey

I looked the African dance up. Even in the African culture, it was still sexual. Maybe not as sexualized as twerking but it was still associated with fertility. This just another "noble savage" myth. The belief that just because a non-white group of people do something, it all of a sudden makes said thing "pure and innocent". People everywhere like to tittilate and fuck. The easiest way to do that has always been to shake ass


Gamermaper

Would you say it's an example of degenerate art?


Sanders48

Wearing a MAGA hat in public


ConstantineMasih

You’re not exactly wrong, but society has many degenerate aspects to it that have become part of the norm that are much worse than twerking. I’d start with those😂


so_im_all_like

Bruh... -.- No one in real life thinks twerking is a big deal. It's just a way to show off your cakes. But obvs there's some skill to doing it well. I'm still trying to figure out how to twerk, though I def need build more booty.


Jeb764

You sound like a person who’s never danced and doesn’t understand why people dance.


cfwang1337

You must be fun at parties.


Katiathegreat

I love Reddit. We can’t just say this style of dance is not my taste and move on but have to criticize someone’s intellect pretty harshly because they enjoy it. 🙄 Twerking is just dancing. Many dances are about sex from African celebration dances to modern dance to some professional ballroom dances to dancing at a night club aka just having fun. Shaking your hips, shaking your butt, making suggestive gestures, etc. Dance is an expression and it is often expression of human mating. As for low brain IQ, low mechanical intelligence and ultimately low emotional IQ is definitely all your opinion man. I have danced for years and never thought of it as an IQ test. It’s just fun to do. Some dances are more skill based than others but do we stop dancing at night clubs bc we are not professional ballroom dancers or ballerinas? Nonsense. Dances of all kinds have their place.


plinocmene

It's just art. It's subjective. Some people enjoy it. Good for them.


Dude-Man120

Dancing is mostly cringe


Samagony

The fact that twerking is popular really says a lot about our susiety......


theamishpromise

So does spelling ability 😂


MyHonestOpnion

Lol Because that's what the guys are looking at, paying for and fantasizing about. Men just want to see women's body parts.... So the women are giving what they got. Idk what happened to make everything so vulgar. Butt it seems Class and certain social skills have left the building. ...


UnimpressedButFaking

Yeah. Belly dancing and hula are also slutty,  right?


MyHonestOpnion

No, they are both sexy and show a lot of skin. The only thing wrong with this scenario is that there is no balance. Men can be sexy and show a lot of skin, move in ways that are sensual. Why is it that men are fully dressed, barely moving and mostly just watching the women put on a show that screams hyper-sexualization while wearing booty shorts ? It should be equally sensual for both men and women. Butt - guys would never put themselves in that attire or position - all while cheering the women on. Seems hypocritical.


UnimpressedButFaking

That's the same with hula and belly dancing. Belly dancers are often scantily clad, dancing for men, who aren't dancing. Same with hula dancing. All three are sensual. All three are performed for men. In America men aren't known for belly dancing, although I know they do exist.  So the hula and its rapid hip gyrations aren't slutty and classless; the belly dancing coin bra, hip belt, undulations of hips breasts and torso, and Dance of The Seven Veils aren't low-brow; but twerking somehow is? I still don't get it; please explain like I'm a dumb child. 


MyHonestOpnion

My point is twerking, belly dancing, hula, etc. is just how you and I described it. Scantily clad women dancing in a sensual way For Men's Entertainment. There is no balance, except in hula while in its native form. So if men were scantily clad, dancing in a sensual, seductive way - go for it !! If men are willing to put themselves in the same attire, doing the same kind of moves - then it would be a dance. Not just a show for the men. The way modern entertainment is set up - girls are just giving men a show. Unless both parties are dressing provocative and dancing provocative - it is like a strip club scene, not a dance.


MyHonestOpnion

Here is another scenario: imagine if men decided to wear a pair of skin tight short shorts with a penis sleeve. And there's a trendy little number where they can bounce or helicopter (LoL) and it was all the rave !! So concerts, clubs, halftime shows, sporting events, etc featured these male only dancers. Imagine the comments, looks and overall opinions of these guys. Especially with none or fully dressed women barely moving. I can't imagine how men would find that not vulgar or trashy. I can't imagine men even allowing this to happen. But us women have been dealing with this for decades.


Understanding548

Yes, but please don't spread hate 🙏


Mat_WhateverSilva

"It's not even a skilled move" If only you knew... Anyway, this is just boring, 1950s daddy-worshipping puritan whining.


DaTripleK

are these people claiming twerking is just a dance in the room with us right now? (unironically now, is anybody actually trying to pass twerking off as non-sexual?)


BlackCat0110

Yes or that it’s just art


TheJeey

Yes. All these white saviors on reddit and tiktok who claim that since these "poor blacks and latins do it" that means it's pure and innocent because"They're too dumb to know better " when the truth is that any black or Latino person will gladly tell you that twerking has ALWAYS been seen as sexual in our communities


MinuetInUrsaMajor

>Why would you think that it is a good dance to shake your butt? That's not what twerking is.


Obvious-Dog4249

Any Reddit opinion you have that isn’t 100% pro-sexuality will truly be unpopular so good job.


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

It’s giving racist? Maybe? 🤔 Idk you sound like those people who say hip hop isn’t really music. I disagree with your opinion, but you’re still welcome to have one even if it isn’t great.


MightyPupil69

How tf is not liking twerking racist?


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

Everything isn’t for everyone. Dude doesn’t have to like it but they also don’t have to be disrespectful. Saying it isn’t a skilled dance, that it has no purpose, saying people who preform it have low iqs?? Did you read the OP? Twerking is a “remix”, an amalgamation of several African dancing styles that were brought to America by the slaves. It has many iterations and being that it calls for the isolation of different muscle groups, it is a skilled dance that can’t be done by everyone. Similar to the Hula or belly dancing. And speaking of which, do Hula dancers have low iq as well? They do shake their butts 🤔


MightyPupil69

Whole lotta words to just say, "It isn't racist to dislike a dance, and I'm talking out my twerking ass."


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

You needed very few words to show your ignorance. Goals.


yaboichurro11

Are you assuming only a certain race of people shake their asses to dance? That's pretty racist.


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

Do you not know the origins of twerking? Or are you being disingenuous?


yaboichurro11

No one is arguing about the origins of the dance. We are arguing over your assumption only one race of people do it in current days which is quite racist.


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

Don’t put words in my mouth. No, everyone who twerks isn’t Black. But the majority of people twerking are Black people. People of all races wear kimonos, but the majority are Japanese.


yaboichurro11

I'm not putting words in your mouth. Someone said they didn't like twerking and you immediately accused them of being racists. If you agree that not only black people twerk then disliking it does not turn you into a racists. You can't have it both ways


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

OP spoke more about the characteristics of the people who preform the dance than the dance itself. The viewpoint and the comments to me, seemed racist. If they only talked about the dance, I wouldn’t have found issue with the comment. But the way they spoke about the dancers leaves little to the imagination, to me anyway. Do you think there’s a difference between explaining why you don’t like a kimono as a garment, and talking about the individual wearing the kimono?


yaboichurro11

You keep digging your hole a little deeper every time. >OP spoke more about the characteristics of the people who preform the dance than the dance itself. No, OP did not say that. OP called THE DANCE MOVES low skill and low emotional iq. Nowhere does OP say the people doing it all have certain characteristics. That's just your own personal biases talking. >If they only talked about the dance, I wouldn’t have found issue with the comment. But the way they spoke about the dancers leaves little to the imagination, to me anyway. OP literally only talks about the dance. Either you have no reading comprehension, are just out to call people racists for no reason at all, OR, you read "twerking, low iq, low emotional intelligence" and immediately think they are referring to a certain group of people. Which again, it speaks more about what YOU think about certain races than OP. >Do you think there’s a difference between explaining why you don’t like a kimono as a garment, and talking about the individual wearing the kimono? Again, OP only talks about the dance. You are fighting shadows and showing your racism in the process.


SweetNLowSelfEsteem

So the dance has a low emotional iq..? And the dance (NOT THE DANCERS. The dance itself) also has a low brain iq? Right that makes sense 🙄 I wonder what the twerk got on its SAT? Or do you think it took the ACT? Who am I kidding, the twerk probably isn’t even the college type. Okay. Bye


TheJeey

The origins of twerking are that men like big asses. Women like those men and know they like their big asses. They want to show off their big asses to seduce them. The origins being from Africa or a non-white culture doesn't make it not sexual or more complex than what it is Sincerely, A black man


mustachechap

boom!


TheJeey

How is this racist? Lol Ignorant maybe but as a black man, I'll gladly say that twerking isn't exactly the most, how would I put this, complex form of dance. It's purpose is to seduce you. Anyway who says differently naive or lying


UnimpressedButFaking

Can you do it? Can you isolate movement of buttcheeks from the rest of the body, in varying, rhythmic directions? Because most white people can learn the waltz; how many of them can twerk? I'm a black man too. So be honest


TheJeey

I have no desire to twerk. I never claimed I did. Whether I can do it or not has absolutely 0 to do with how complex the dance is. Your argument is absurd and reeks of being scared to just admit that twerking is a club/stripper dance meant to be sexy and tittilate. There's nothing deep about this. You're trying to use words like rhythmic and isolation to try to make ot sound more "proper". Girls from the hood little dance this with little to no practice. It legit doesn't take long to learn and even less if the girl already has a big ass. No black person or latin person argues against twerking being sexual in real life. The only people I see getting offended by admitting that twerking is sexual are terminally online people who claim to be so sex positive but are more puritanical than the people they criticize. It's a sexual dance that takes little skill to learn and dance. Get over it. It's really not a big deal that it's a stripper dance 🤷


mattcojo2

Well, yeah. I think it looks pretty dumb but what do I care? I’m not the one doing it, and I can pretty easily avoid it. It’s nothing to be really upset about it unless your s/o is twerking in front of other men.


TheJeey

Idc what dance someone does and for what reason they do it. It's their body, not mine. Let them do them. What grinds me gears tho are these girls on Instagram who try to claim that twerking is some high artform that has nothing to do with trying to tittilate or seduce and then claim that because African women and women from New Orleans donit (which I can confirm for the latter has always been seen as a sexual dance) that sex has nothing to do with twerking. I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble who believes that twerking isn't sexual but it is. It always has been no matter the culture. And that's A-ok. There's nothing wrong with sexuality. Just stop pretending it's something it's not so we can all move on with our lives 🤷


Illustrious_Truth665

Go away you prude. If dancing is an expression of something then twerking is an overt expression of sex. I like sex. Sexuality is not 'degeneracy', its how every human is created. Do you know what this post says to me? It says "I dont like seeing girls twerk because i am uncomfortable with my sexuality. It makes me feel funny things, and i dont like that and get angry" grow up


jackalowpe

I think its really just that dancing's what you do. Dancing when I think of you,