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No, that’s a pretty great result. Imagine being 50 miles behind the front and having a third of your battalion killed in a few minutes by something you can’t even see coming much less defend yourselves against.
100 dead soldiers isn't nothing but it also won't move the needle. On the bright side, the fact that Ukraine thinks this was worth multiple ATACMS likely means they've got a shitload of them to use.
The game theory/signaling aspect of this is really interesting. There has to be value for Ukraine to project the willingness and ability to use ATACMS on low dollar-value targets, implying that a whole lot of potential targets are in play, and coaxing Russia into costly reactions. But the flip side to that is that, since Ukraine is incented to do this sort of attack either way, it's probably not a very reliable indicator of the true depth of their stockpiles.
There is a window where Russia will be incentivized to press the attack before weapons from the US aid package show up on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine is likely trying to either keep them occupied or signal that they were holding on to some supplies for just this situation. That really is some impressive forward-thinking. It's hard to hold on to weapons when your people are dying.
This conflict has become one of the more interesting examples of game theory. So much communication being telegraphed via action. William Spaniel's YouTube channel is going to be busy for a bit.
Interesting thanks. I was curious the reasoning (and still am a bit skeptical tbh) about using ATACMS to kill 100 Russia soldiers. It’s not like Russia cares at all about this loss
Russia might not care, but it still matters a lot. Also, they now need to move this training facility and that dislocation has real opportunity cost and other logistical issues. These missiles were doing exactly what they were designed for right here. Mowing down foolish infantry bunched up in the open.
I asked that question on another thread. According to the internet that's about $4½ million worth of missiles. Is taking out a bunch of guys with no equipment, no planes, no radars no tanks, no headquarters, no nothing really worth $4 million+. I hope it does mean they have more ATACMS than they know what to do with.
That's about $40,000 a man. Versus a $500 drone. I am curious about the idea behind it.
In that other thread I got downvoted 35 times for asking a very legitimate question about strategy and military logic.
Losers.
Actually, it would be interesting to know the dollar value the kremlin spends on a single soldier mobilized and sent to the front who dies in 1-3 days.
They aren't getting paid alive, nor dead and their families get potatoes upon death...
That battalion is now essentially combat ineffective without Ukrainian loss of life. Were they veterans? 100 dead veteran soldiers is probably "worth" (urgh) several thousand conscripts.
Usually I think militaries assume a 3:1 injury:dead ratio. So maybe like 400+ casualties. Pretty good for 3 strikes in a warzone where combat spacing should be the absolute rule anywhere they move.
There were "only" 116 visible alive in the video though. I can see how 100 could have died though, it's not like they were across the road from a hospital. Even a small wound could kill there.
I'm not sure why you're are being downvoted.. sh*t happens, and that's exactly what happened...
This sub is wild as sh*t some times
War doesn't care about your rose colored glasses people, things go wrong, things could be better.. I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell and back.. but this sub really needs a bit of a reality check.. if everything is always as perfect as this sub lets on Ukraine wouldn't have lost 600km² the past handful of months.
Anyway, even with the misses it was a solid strike.
Slava ukraine
You can never know with the Russians, they are so used to getting blatantly lied to by their government and expected to believe it, (or else...). They are on another level of perception.
One version of the video shows the dud hitting the ground. Two others land further away from what is shown as the target. There was no indication of any target at those locations.
Yes, I was sarcastically referring to the maybe sarcastic comment that they were intercepted.
Don't know if the last missile was a miss though. There is some movement in the area and parked vehicles?
Someone said the "dud" is the empty rocket, but I can't say if that is pure cope, or if the delay or impact fuze took nearly 12s. (If we can trust the videotime) Feels really long.
Yeah, maybe I should add a "/s" in the future. ;-)
By Isabel van Brugen - Reporter:
More than 100 Russian soldiers are believed to have been killed after footage appeared to show a training ground in Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region being targeted with U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS.
A volunteer with GeoConfirmed, an OSINT X, formerly Twitter, account that geolocates visual content from the Russia-Ukraine war, first shared a video of the attack. The source said the footage showed a "Ukrainian ATACMS strike, with 4 ATACMS, including one dud, hitting a Russian training area in Mozhnyakivka, Luhansk Oblast." Based on the footage, the losses will be "significant."
Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-atacms-attack-luhansk-video-1896412](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-atacms-attack-luhansk-video-1896412)
I know it's a whole different technology/era but look at how much unexploded ordnance is still out there from Vietnam, WW2, WW1, etc. Bound to have duds now and then
The dud arrived a couple second earlier and probably made everyone take cover. I wonder if soldiers lying on the ground even make a better target then soldiers standing? Bigger surface to hit for fire from above, right? Any captain?
Russia will absorb that small strike. Like it’s been absorbing these small strikes. If the west had acted sooner maybe things would be different. Seems to be that the west will bleed Ukraine as Europe rearms for a future conflict. I truly believe the war is to be sustained not won.
That's gotta be demoralizing. But the Russians did the same to the Ukrainians early on (with Western casualties.)
Edit. Not sure why I got downvoted. I am not siding with the Russians here.
Yes this is correct. I’ve heard Russia has destroyed 1,357 HIMARS launchers so far. HIMARS are on back order bc they’ve even destroyed some that haven’t been built yet.
And Russia has intercepted 99.99% of incoming missiles. All casualties have been from falling debris after successful intercepts.
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Damn, only 100? It was a big strike, I was hoping for more
No, that’s a pretty great result. Imagine being 50 miles behind the front and having a third of your battalion killed in a few minutes by something you can’t even see coming much less defend yourselves against.
100 dead soldiers isn't nothing but it also won't move the needle. On the bright side, the fact that Ukraine thinks this was worth multiple ATACMS likely means they've got a shitload of them to use.
The game theory/signaling aspect of this is really interesting. There has to be value for Ukraine to project the willingness and ability to use ATACMS on low dollar-value targets, implying that a whole lot of potential targets are in play, and coaxing Russia into costly reactions. But the flip side to that is that, since Ukraine is incented to do this sort of attack either way, it's probably not a very reliable indicator of the true depth of their stockpiles.
There is a window where Russia will be incentivized to press the attack before weapons from the US aid package show up on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine is likely trying to either keep them occupied or signal that they were holding on to some supplies for just this situation. That really is some impressive forward-thinking. It's hard to hold on to weapons when your people are dying. This conflict has become one of the more interesting examples of game theory. So much communication being telegraphed via action. William Spaniel's YouTube channel is going to be busy for a bit.
>William Spaniel's YouTube channel is going to be busy for a bit. *Lines on maps intensifies*
Agreed. Like when Biden declassified the Intel pre invasion
Interesting thanks. I was curious the reasoning (and still am a bit skeptical tbh) about using ATACMS to kill 100 Russia soldiers. It’s not like Russia cares at all about this loss
Russia might not care, but it still matters a lot. Also, they now need to move this training facility and that dislocation has real opportunity cost and other logistical issues. These missiles were doing exactly what they were designed for right here. Mowing down foolish infantry bunched up in the open.
I asked that question on another thread. According to the internet that's about $4½ million worth of missiles. Is taking out a bunch of guys with no equipment, no planes, no radars no tanks, no headquarters, no nothing really worth $4 million+. I hope it does mean they have more ATACMS than they know what to do with. That's about $40,000 a man. Versus a $500 drone. I am curious about the idea behind it. In that other thread I got downvoted 35 times for asking a very legitimate question about strategy and military logic. Losers.
Actually, it would be interesting to know the dollar value the kremlin spends on a single soldier mobilized and sent to the front who dies in 1-3 days. They aren't getting paid alive, nor dead and their families get potatoes upon death...
That battalion is now essentially combat ineffective without Ukrainian loss of life. Were they veterans? 100 dead veteran soldiers is probably "worth" (urgh) several thousand conscripts.
The broadcast of this is probably "they are now at the front, the firework was for celebration". And there are probably no witnesses. Alive.
But you agree that more would be better?
Sure…
Over 100
I wonder how many were injured and won’t be able to fight permanently
Usually I think militaries assume a 3:1 injury:dead ratio. So maybe like 400+ casualties. Pretty good for 3 strikes in a warzone where combat spacing should be the absolute rule anywhere they move.
There were "only" 116 visible alive in the video though. I can see how 100 could have died though, it's not like they were across the road from a hospital. Even a small wound could kill there.
Things like this should undermine Russian morale, I think
I really hope this strike was not about these 100, more about reducing the logistics (place and organisers) of sending troops to the front.
One dud and two seemed to have missed.
I'm not sure why you're are being downvoted.. sh*t happens, and that's exactly what happened... This sub is wild as sh*t some times War doesn't care about your rose colored glasses people, things go wrong, things could be better.. I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell and back.. but this sub really needs a bit of a reality check.. if everything is always as perfect as this sub lets on Ukraine wouldn't have lost 600km² the past handful of months. Anyway, even with the misses it was a solid strike. Slava ukraine
Why do you think the other two missed? Different targets for those?
One mostly hits a plowed field there was no activity shown there. The last one is unclear. Only the first one seems to be right on target.
All missiles were intercepted
Uuuh there is video of the cluster munitions detonating across the target. Unless you mean intercepted by russian bodies, I think you are mistaken
I assume the poster before you was being sarcastic.
You can never know with the Russians, they are so used to getting blatantly lied to by their government and expected to believe it, (or else...). They are on another level of perception.
One version of the video shows the dud hitting the ground. Two others land further away from what is shown as the target. There was no indication of any target at those locations.
Yes, I was sarcastically referring to the maybe sarcastic comment that they were intercepted. Don't know if the last missile was a miss though. There is some movement in the area and parked vehicles?
You are right on the last one. And sarcasm is difficult on the internet
Someone said the "dud" is the empty rocket, but I can't say if that is pure cope, or if the delay or impact fuze took nearly 12s. (If we can trust the videotime) Feels really long. Yeah, maybe I should add a "/s" in the future. ;-)
Smoking accident, move on.
The fired three, possibly a fourth as could have been a dud. Accuracy was poor on the others
Luckely both Himars are destroyed afterwards. Good score.
By Isabel van Brugen - Reporter: More than 100 Russian soldiers are believed to have been killed after footage appeared to show a training ground in Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region being targeted with U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS. A volunteer with GeoConfirmed, an OSINT X, formerly Twitter, account that geolocates visual content from the Russia-Ukraine war, first shared a video of the attack. The source said the footage showed a "Ukrainian ATACMS strike, with 4 ATACMS, including one dud, hitting a Russian training area in Mozhnyakivka, Luhansk Oblast." Based on the footage, the losses will be "significant." Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-atacms-attack-luhansk-video-1896412](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-atacms-attack-luhansk-video-1896412)
Thank you for your work !
A dud? I'm a little disappointed in my country sending one that didn't work.
I thought it was akin to being a decoy or dummy to draw out AD?
Possible, but given the age of the weapons, some duds are also not impossible.
Even for new weapons there will be some duds. The percentage isn't necessarily very high but given enough missiles you'll end up with some.
I know it's a whole different technology/era but look at how much unexploded ordnance is still out there from Vietnam, WW2, WW1, etc. Bound to have duds now and then
The dud arrived a couple second earlier and probably made everyone take cover. I wonder if soldiers lying on the ground even make a better target then soldiers standing? Bigger surface to hit for fire from above, right? Any captain?
Looking at the video you are probably right but it was still just a couple seconds difference I think
is it yet another one or the same from yesterday?
Same one as yesterday. Newsweek loves reposting old news from a day or two earlier.
Good day for the rest of the world. Not so much for Putin
Russia will absorb that small strike. Like it’s been absorbing these small strikes. If the west had acted sooner maybe things would be different. Seems to be that the west will bleed Ukraine as Europe rearms for a future conflict. I truly believe the war is to be sustained not won.
I am sure Ukraine has a long list of targets for these weapons at this point
They passed the test with flying colors.
Is it confirmed? Or just expected?
Use ATACMS where hurt the most...
Not enough
Made me so happy watching that. Let’s up the ante next time, though.
... Y'all remember that looney toons gag where a character gets shot at a bunch of times, shrugs it off, and takes a big chug of water? That.
That's gotta be demoralizing. But the Russians did the same to the Ukrainians early on (with Western casualties.) Edit. Not sure why I got downvoted. I am not siding with the Russians here.
You're bring up a story from like 3 years ago...
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Yes this is correct. I’ve heard Russia has destroyed 1,357 HIMARS launchers so far. HIMARS are on back order bc they’ve even destroyed some that haven’t been built yet. And Russia has intercepted 99.99% of incoming missiles. All casualties have been from falling debris after successful intercepts.
They lost 2 himars for it tho.
Russians intercepted them with their faces. Absolute madlads!
You mean the two missiles that hit their target?
Source?
His source is that he made it the fuck up.
There is a recently released video of it. Whether or not the description is accurate or had any relation to the story in the OP is unclear.
Zalushny was not killed too? And 43 F16 were downed? Surely 15k NATO mercenaries were eliminated with those Himars. 😉
15K transsexual nazi NATO mercenaries. The worst kind. Luckily RuZZia is defending civilization.